Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons
Hi DonO; What do you mean by sacred are you reffering to the true Tups blend or what I'm using? It's amazing how many variations you see of this pattern, not only that it was tied as a dry fly, wet fly and as a nymph. I'm trying to tie a Tups Flymph type pattern and the dubbing blend I'm using gives me the result I desire. One thing I have thought of that would allow me to better use the rope dubbing technique is, to keep the wool fibers longer than indicated in the recipie. Wayneb --- On Thu, 11/4/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 3:57 PM Wayne, here is one I pulled from the internet ^ Here's yours V How 'sacred' is the dubbing blend- material and color? DonO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: virtual flybox Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible Hi Dono; Here's a photo I have of some earlier attempts: http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii179/Waynebh/IMGP0015.jpg The fly is composed of Gutermans sewing silk abdomen, with a home made wool dubbing from the following reciepie: To prepare the dubbing, cut off approximately 25 inches of natural-shade (#098) Fisherman's Wool. This is available from Lion Brand Yarn Company (http://www.LionBrand.com). Next, cut off 3 inches of True Red (#114) yarn, also available from Lion Brand. The dull orange (needle felting) wool comes from Felt Works Dimensions and is available from many craft stores. Take the lengths of Fisherman's Wool and red yarn and cut into half-inch pieces. First blend the Fisherman's Wool, then the red wool, then combine the two and mix again in a blender. Once these are blended, tease out approximately 1 inch of cheddar-shade needle felting wool and cut into quarter-inch pieces. Blend with the previous two. This results in a creamy pink dubbing with just a hint of dull orange scattered faintly throughout the wad. I know you can touch dub using a rope dub method, it was just not working for me. Wayneb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons
By 'sacred' means no substitutions allowed, which makes fly-tying pretty pagan. Don't forget your wire brush- before or after you wrap. DonO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons Hi DonO; What do you mean by sacred are you reffering to the true Tups blend or what I'm using? It's amazing how many variations you see of this pattern, not only that it was tied as a dry fly, wet fly and as a nymph. I'm trying to tie a Tups Flymph type pattern and the dubbing blend I'm using gives me the result I desire. One thing I have thought of that would allow me to better use the rope dubbing technique is, to keep the wool fibers longer than indicated in the recipie. Wayneb --- On Thu, 11/4/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 3:57 PM Wayne, here is one I pulled from the internet ^ Here's yours V How 'sacred' is the dubbing blend- material and color? DonO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: virtual flybox Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible Hi Dono; Here's a photo I have of some earlier attempts: http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii179/Waynebh/IMGP0015.jpg The fly is composed of Gutermans sewing silk abdomen, with a home made wool dubbing from the following reciepie: To prepare the dubbing, cut off approximately 25 inches of natural-shade (#098) Fisherman's Wool. This is available from Lion Brand Yarn Company (http://www.LionBrand.com). Next, cut off 3 inches of True Red (#114) yarn, also available from Lion Brand. The dull orange (needle felting) wool comes from Felt Works Dimensions and is available from many craft stores. Take the lengths of Fisherman's Wool and red yarn and cut into half-inch pieces. First blend the Fisherman's Wool, then the red wool, then combine the two and mix again in a blender. Once these are blended, tease out approximately 1 inch of cheddar-shade needle felting wool and cut into quarter-inch pieces. Blend with the previous two. This results in a creamy pink dubbing with just a hint of dull orange scattered faintly throughout the wad. I know you can touch dub using a rope dub method, it was just not working for me. Wayneb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons
Hi DonO; True Tups dubbing is made from the wool on a ram's testicles. It was urine stained and also pink stained from red dye placed on the ewe's nether regions. When a Ram performed his duty, he would get some red dye mixed with the urine stained wool around his testicles producing a pinkish, translucent wool. The dubbing blend I'm using provides the closest substutue many have found to date. I'll have to try rope dubbing and then brushing and see if I can obtain similar results to what I'm getting now. Wayneb --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 1:17 PM By 'sacred' means no substitutions allowed, which makes fly-tying pretty pagan. Don't forget your wire brush- before or after you wrap. DonO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons Hi DonO; What do you mean by sacred are you reffering to the true Tups blend or what I'm using? It's amazing how many variations you see of this pattern, not only that it was tied as a dry fly, wet fly and as a nymph. I'm trying to tie a Tups Flymph type pattern and the dubbing blend I'm using gives me the result I desire. One thing I have thought of that would allow me to better use the rope dubbing technique is, to keep the wool fibers longer than indicated in the recipie. Wayneb --- On Thu, 11/4/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 3:57 PM Wayne, here is one I pulled from the internet ^ Here's yours V How 'sacred' is the dubbing blend- material and color? DonO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: virtual flybox Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible Hi Dono; Here's a photo I have of some earlier attempts: http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii179/Waynebh/IMGP0015.jpg The fly is composed of Gutermans sewing silk abdomen, with a home made wool dubbing from the following reciepie: To prepare the dubbing, cut off approximately 25 inches of natural-shade (#098) Fisherman's Wool. This is available from Lion Brand Yarn Company (http://www.LionBrand.com). Next, cut off 3 inches of True Red (#114) yarn, also available from Lion Brand. The dull orange (needle felting) wool comes from Felt Works Dimensions and is available from many craft stores. Take the lengths of Fisherman's Wool and red yarn and cut into half-inch pieces. First blend the Fisherman's Wool, then the red wool, then combine the two and mix again in a blender. Once these are blended, tease out approximately 1 inch of cheddar-shade needle felting wool and cut into quarter-inch pieces. Blend with the previous two. This results in a creamy pink dubbing with just a hint of dull orange scattered faintly throughout the wad. I know you can touch dub using a rope dub method, it was just not working for me. Wayneb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail
Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons
Wow, I thought Buggs smoked some good stuff! A good reason not to get any wool pulled over your eyes by Mr. Tups. Does changing this method cause any ramifications? Eeeewwe, ba-a-a-a-a-d, no-kidding. Buggs - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons Hi DonO; True Tups dubbing is made from the wool on a ram's testicles. It was urine stained and also pink stained from red dye placed on the ewe's nether regions. When a Ram performed his duty, he would get some red dye mixed with the urine stained wool around his testicles producing a pinkish, translucent wool. The dubbing blend I'm using provides the closest substutue many have found to date. I'll have to try rope dubbing and then brushing and see if I can obtain similar results to what I'm getting now. Wayneb --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 1:17 PM By 'sacred' means no substitutions allowed, which makes fly-tying pretty pagan. Don't forget your wire brush- before or after you wrap. DonO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons Hi DonO; What do you mean by sacred are you reffering to the true Tups blend or what I'm using? It's amazing how many variations you see of this pattern, not only that it was tied as a dry fly, wet fly and as a nymph. I'm trying to tie a Tups Flymph type pattern and the dubbing blend I'm using gives me the result I desire. One thing I have thought of that would allow me to better use the rope dubbing technique is, to keep the wool fibers longer than indicated in the recipie. Wayneb --- On Thu, 11/4/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 3:57 PM Wayne, here is one I pulled from the internet ^ Here's yours V How 'sacred' is the dubbing blend- material and color? DonO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: virtual flybox Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible Hi Dono; Here's a photo I have of some earlier attempts: http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii179/Waynebh/IMGP0015.jpg The fly is composed of Gutermans sewing silk abdomen, with a home made wool dubbing from the following reciepie: To prepare the dubbing, cut off approximately 25 inches of natural-shade (#098) Fisherman's Wool. This is available from Lion Brand Yarn Company (http://www.LionBrand.com). Next, cut off 3 inches of True Red (#114) yarn, also available from Lion Brand. The dull orange (needle felting) wool comes from Felt Works Dimensions and is available from many craft stores. Take the lengths of Fisherman's Wool and red yarn and cut into half-inch pieces. First blend the Fisherman's Wool, then the red wool, then combine the two and mix again in a blender. Once these are blended, tease out approximately 1 inch of cheddar-shade needle felting wool and cut into quarter-inch pieces. Blend with the previous two. This results in a creamy pink dubbing with just a hint of dull orange scattered faintly throughout the wad. I know you can touch dub using a rope dub method, it was just not working for me. Wayneb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons
Hi DonO; Your reply is almost as funny as the recipie. I'm told the original recipie was quite effective though. Wayneb --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 2:47 PM Wow, I thought Buggs smoked some good stuff! A good reason not to get any wool pulled over your eyes by Mr. Tups. Does changing this method cause any ramifications? Eeeewwe, ba-a-a-a-a-d, no-kidding. Buggs - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons Hi DonO; True Tups dubbing is made from the wool on a ram's testicles. It was urine stained and also pink stained from red dye placed on the ewe's nether regions. When a Ram performed his duty, he would get some red dye mixed with the urine stained wool around his testicles producing a pinkish, translucent wool. The dubbing blend I'm using provides the closest substutue many have found to date. I'll have to try rope dubbing and then brushing and see if I can obtain similar results to what I'm getting now. Wayneb --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 1:17 PM By 'sacred' means no substitutions allowed, which makes fly-tying pretty pagan. Don't forget your wire brush- before or after you wrap. DonO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons Hi DonO; What do you mean by sacred are you reffering to the true Tups blend or what I'm using? It's amazing how many variations you see of this pattern, not only that it was tied as a dry fly, wet fly and as a nymph. I'm trying to tie a Tups Flymph type pattern and the dubbing blend I'm using gives me the result I desire. One thing I have thought of that would allow me to better use the rope dubbing technique is, to keep the wool fibers longer than indicated in the recipie. Wayneb --- On Thu, 11/4/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 3:57 PM Wayne, here is one I pulled from the internet ^ Here's yours V How 'sacred' is the dubbing blend- material and color? DonO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: virtual flybox Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible Hi Dono; Here's a photo I have of some earlier attempts: http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii179/Waynebh/IMGP0015.jpg The fly is composed of Gutermans sewing silk abdomen, with a home made wool dubbing from the following reciepie: To prepare the dubbing, cut off approximately 25 inches of natural-shade (#098) Fisherman's Wool. This is available from Lion Brand Yarn Company (http://www.LionBrand.com). Next, cut off 3 inches of True Red (#114) yarn, also available from Lion Brand. The dull orange (needle felting) wool comes from Felt Works Dimensions and is available from many craft stores. Take the lengths of Fisherman's Wool and red yarn and cut into half-inch pieces. First blend the Fisherman's Wool, then the red wool, then combine the two and mix again in a blender. Once these are blended, tease out approximately 1 inch of cheddar-shade needle felting wool and cut into quarter-inch pieces. Blend with the previous two. This results in a creamy pink dubbing with just a hint of dull orange scattered faintly throughout the wad. I know you can touch dub using a rope dub method, it was just not working for me. Wayneb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail
Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons
Wayne, You forgot the other ingredient in the Tup's dubbing - the ground hen's teeth. That's what makes it shiny. a. Hi DonO; True Tups dubbing is made from the wool on a ram's testicles. It was urine stained and also pink stained from red dye placed on the ewe's nether regions. When a Ram performed his duty, he would get some red dye mixed with the urine stained wool around his testicles producing a pinkish, translucent wool. The dubbing blend I'm using provides the closest substutue many have found to date. I'll have to try rope dubbing and then brushing and see if I can obtain similar results to what I'm getting now. Wayneb --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 1:17 PM By 'sacred' means no substitutions allowed, which makes fly-tying pretty pagan. Don't forget your wire brush- before or after you wrap. DonO - Original Message - From: http://us.mc1115.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wayneb22...@yahoo.comWayne Blake-Hedges To: http://us.mc1115.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vfb-m...@googlegroups.comvfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons Hi DonO; What do you mean by sacred are you reffering to the true Tups blend or what I'm using? It's amazing how many variations you see of this pattern, not only that it was tied as a dry fly, wet fly and as a nymph. I'm trying to tie a Tups Flymph type pattern and the dubbing blend I'm using gives me the result I desire. One thing I have thought of that would allow me to better use the rope dubbing technique is, to keep the wool fibers longer than indicated in the recipie. Wayneb --- On Thu, 11/4/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 3:57 PM Wayne, here is one I pulled from the internet ^ Here's yours V How 'sacred' is the dubbing blend- material and color? DonO - Original Message - From: http://us.mc1115.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wayneb22...@yahoo.comWayne Blake-Hedges To: http://us.mc1115.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vfb-m...@googlegroups.comvirtual flybox Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible Hi Dono; Here's a photo I have of some earlier attempts: http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii179/Waynebh/IMGP0015.jpghttp://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii179/Waynebh/IMGP0015.jpg The fly is composed of Gutermans sewing silk abdomen, with a home made wool dubbing from the following reciepie: To prepare the dubbing, cut off approximately 25 inches of natural-shade (#098) Fisherman's Wool. This is available from Lion Brand Yarn Company (http://www.lionbrand.com/http://www.LionBrand.com). Next, cut off 3 inches of True Red (#114) yarn, also available from Lion Brand. The dull orange (needle felting) wool comes from Felt Works Dimensions and is available from many craft stores. Take the lengths of Fisherman's Wool and red yarn and cut into half-inch pieces. First blend the Fisherman's Wool, then the red wool, then combine the two and mix again in a blender. Once these are blended, tease out approximately 1 inch of cheddar-shade needle felting wool and cut into quarter-inch pieces. Blend with the previous two. This results in a creamy pink dubbing with just a hint of dull orange scattered faintly throughout the wad. I know you can touch dub using a rope dub method, it was just not working for me. Wayneb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com/http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com/http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com
Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons
Hi Allen; Hen's teeth are only required when making dubbing blend on all hallows eve! That plus eye of newt and it all goes in a bubbling cauldron. I'm not really sure how effective the real stuff is but, it sure makes for some great reading! Wayne --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 3:45 PM Wayne, You forgot the other ingredient in the Tup's dubbing - the ground hen's teeth. That's what makes it shiny. a. Hi DonO; True Tups dubbing is made from the wool on a ram's testicles. It was urine stained and also pink stained from red dye placed on the ewe's nether regions. When a Ram performed his duty, he would get some red dye mixed with the urine stained wool around his testicles producing a pinkish, translucent wool. The dubbing blend I'm using provides the closest substutue many have found to date. I'll have to try rope dubbing and then brushing and see if I can obtain similar results to what I'm getting now. Wayneb --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 1:17 PM By 'sacred' means no substitutions allowed, which makes fly-tying pretty pagan. Don't forget your wire brush- before or after you wrap. DonO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons Hi DonO; What do you mean by sacred are you reffering to the true Tups blend or what I'm using? It's amazing how many variations you see of this pattern, not only that it was tied as a dry fly, wet fly and as a nymph. I'm trying to tie a Tups Flymph type pattern and the dubbing blend I'm using gives me the result I desire. One thing I have thought of that would allow me to better use the rope dubbing technique is, to keep the wool fibers longer than indicated in the recipie. Wayneb --- On Thu, 11/4/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 3:57 PM Wayne, here is one I pulled from the internet ^ Here's yours V How 'sacred' is the dubbing blend- material and color? DonO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: virtual flybox Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible Hi Dono; Here's a photo I have of some earlier attempts: http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii179/Waynebh/IMGP0015.jpg The fly is composed of Gutermans sewing silk abdomen, with a home made wool dubbing from the following reciepie: To prepare the dubbing, cut off approximately 25 inches of natural-shade (#098) Fisherman's Wool. This is available from Lion Brand Yarn Company (http://www.LionBrand.com). Next, cut off 3 inches of True Red (#114) yarn, also available from Lion Brand. The dull orange (needle felting) wool comes from Felt Works Dimensions and is available from many craft stores. Take the lengths of Fisherman's Wool and red yarn and cut into half-inch pieces. First blend the Fisherman's Wool, then the red wool, then combine the two and mix again in a blender. Once these are blended, tease out approximately 1 inch of cheddar-shade needle felting wool and cut into quarter-inch pieces. Blend with the previous two. This results in a creamy pink dubbing with just a hint of dull orange scattered faintly throughout the wad. I know you can touch dub using a rope dub method, it was just not working for me. Wayneb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com
Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons
Tups is not the only recipe I've seen over the years that uses urine-stained fur. I've heard of fox, rabbit, and polar bear. I actually have some of the last one. DonO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons Hi Allen; Hen's teeth are only required when making dubbing blend on all hallows eve! That plus eye of newt and it all goes in a bubbling cauldron. I'm not really sure how effective the real stuff is but, it sure makes for some great reading! Wayne --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 3:45 PM Wayne, You forgot the other ingredient in the Tup's dubbing - the ground hen's teeth. That's what makes it shiny. a. Hi DonO; True Tups dubbing is made from the wool on a ram's testicles. It was urine stained and also pink stained from red dye placed on the ewe's nether regions. When a Ram performed his duty, he would get some red dye mixed with the urine stained wool around his testicles producing a pinkish, translucent wool. The dubbing blend I'm using provides the closest substutue many have found to date. I'll have to try rope dubbing and then brushing and see if I can obtain similar results to what I'm getting now. Wayneb --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 1:17 PM By 'sacred' means no substitutions allowed, which makes fly-tying pretty pagan. Don't forget your wire brush- before or after you wrap. DonO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons Hi DonO; What do you mean by sacred are you reffering to the true Tups blend or what I'm using? It's amazing how many variations you see of this pattern, not only that it was tied as a dry fly, wet fly and as a nymph. I'm trying to tie a Tups Flymph type pattern and the dubbing blend I'm using gives me the result I desire. One thing I have thought of that would allow me to better use the rope dubbing technique is, to keep the wool fibers longer than indicated in the recipie. Wayneb --- On Thu, 11/4/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 3:57 PM Wayne, here is one I pulled from the internet ^ Here's yours V How 'sacred' is the dubbing blend- material and color? DonO - Original Message - From: Wayne Blake-Hedges To: virtual flybox Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible Hi Dono; Here's a photo I have of some earlier attempts: http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii179/Waynebh/IMGP0015.jpg The fly is composed of Gutermans sewing silk abdomen, with a home made wool dubbing from the following reciepie: To prepare the dubbing, cut off approximately 25 inches of natural-shade (#098) Fisherman's Wool. This is available from Lion Brand Yarn Company (http://www.LionBrand.com). Next, cut off 3 inches of True Red (#114) yarn, also available from Lion Brand. The dull orange (needle felting) wool comes from Felt Works Dimensions and is available from many craft stores. Take the lengths of Fisherman's Wool and red yarn and cut into half-inch pieces. First blend the Fisherman's Wool, then the red wool, then combine the two and mix again in a blender. Once these are blended, tease out approximately 1 inch of cheddar-shade needle felting wool and cut into quarter-inch pieces. Blend with the previous two. This results in a creamy pink dubbing with just a hint of dull orange scattered faintly throughout the wad. I know
[VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible
Hi Dono; Here's a photo I have of some earlier attempts: http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii179/Waynebh/IMGP0015.jpg The fly is composed of Gutermans sewing silk abdomen, with a home made wool dubbing from the following reciepie: To prepare the dubbing, cut off approximately 25 inches of natural-shade (#098) Fisherman's Wool. This is available from Lion Brand Yarn Company (http://www.LionBrand.com). Next, cut off 3 inches of True Red (#114) yarn, also available from Lion Brand. The dull orange (needle felting) wool comes from Felt Works Dimensions and is available from many craft stores. Take the lengths of Fisherman's Wool and red yarn and cut into half-inch pieces. First blend the Fisherman's Wool, then the red wool, then combine the two and mix again in a blender. Once these are blended, tease out approximately 1 inch of cheddar-shade needle felting wool and cut into quarter-inch pieces. Blend with the previous two. This results in a creamy pink dubbing with just a hint of dull orange scattered faintly throughout the wad. I know you can touch dub using a rope dub method, it was just not working for me. Wayneb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
