>From today's LA Times:
The Strange Web Saga of Emokid21: How an internet faker set YouTube on fire with haters, imitators and investigators
URL:http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-spinoff-emokid,1,7057627.htmlstory?coll=la-headlines-entnews >
jen
jenSimmons
http://www.jensimmons.com
Good points Chuck. I can understand your feelings on the matter,
but I think Orwell already had me jaded and skeptical. :)
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Olsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Come to think of it - if Kevin's video had a Miller Lite logo at
the
end, it would be
Good points Chuck. I can understand your feelings on the matter,
but I think Orwell already had me jaded and skeptical. :)
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Olsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Come to think of it - if Kevin's video had a Miller Lite logo at
the
end, it would be
Here's a Blogumentary video about that fuzzy line between online friend
and real friend. It's about a friend of mine who was suicidal, but
I didn't know it until she posted it on her blog:
http://www.blogumentary.org/video/crystal_big.mov
I largely agree with you btw. And, I never realized
On 4/25/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bottom line for me is... I dont dig it. I feel like shitty about the
whole thing. That I actually gave a shit about someone I didnt even
know wasted emotions and wasted time. Art making aside fuck that.
Interesting, given
On 4/25/06, Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find the whole situation constantly problematic -- and is one of the
reasons I am not going to teach in this setting again. Too many
students, not enough time to talk about these issues, deep deep
energies circulating that are sexist,
On 4/25/06, Halcyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
**My experience with fake death online**
Many years ago, I encouraged a young girl (that worked for me
remotely at collegeclub.com) with cancer to start a blog.
After she got quite a following, she eventually died.
It turned out she never
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:29:08 +0200, Deirdre Straughan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/25/06, Halcyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
**My experience with fake death online**
Many years ago, I encouraged a young girl (that worked for me
remotely at collegeclub.com) with cancer to start a blog.
Perhaps we're mad at Kevin because he got a free ride on the willingsuspension of disbelief ?
I'm not mad at Kevin. I'm not the blog police. I'm not really mad at myself either...for believing it.I don't like being tricked in this manner, but it is the reality.sull
On 4/25/06, Deirdre Straughan
Interesting, given that we pay for entertainment precisely to have our
emotions manipulated - whether we like to be scared or cry
sentimentally, we go to movies for that. I guess the difference is
that, with Hollywood, we know up front that it's fake.
Perhaps we're mad at Kevin because
Hear hear! I'm actually getting ready to launch a new education blog
for PBS and will be focusing on MySpace and censorship in my first
post. I may have to tackle Kevin's video as well, because it all comes
down to media literacy -andy
It comes back to a point that I keep making: teach
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/24/06, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I said real, not truthful, factual, or non-fiction, because I think
something like Chasing Windmills, while explicitly fictional, hits at
truths and is real
On 4/25/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/25/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bottom line for me is... I dont dig it. I feel like shitty about the whole thing. That I actually gave a shit about someone I didnt even know wasted emotions and wasted time.
On 4/25/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That would be the Rollercoaster Effect. We ride rollercoasters because
we want to be scared, while knowing in the back of our minds that we
won't crash and die. This kind of fear with no physical consequences
can be fun. Emotional shocks to
On 4/25/06, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting, given that we pay for entertainment precisely to have our
emotions manipulated - whether we like to be scared or cry
sentimentally, we go to movies for that. I guess the difference is
that, with Hollywood, we know up
Here's the way I see it: If you're going to do a prank, do it well. Did anyone see the film The Game? Now that was a good prank...
I'm going to address a few things here. I'm not outraged by Kevin's prank, though perhaps it's because I suspected it was phony from the get-go. There were too
True; that'll have to be called the car crash rubbernecking effect.
ac
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/25/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That would be the Rollercoaster Effect. We ride rollercoasters because
we want to
Jesus I'm just stunned. Was it alcohol poisoning, an overdose or
something?
andy
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
just noticed this addition to vlogdir.
thought i would share it here as the intention seems to be to spread
this
Noticed that Jen simmons had him as a student, so I asked her if she had any information to provide about this video. Is it real or an experiment? On 4/24/06,
Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
just noticed this addition to vlogdir. thought i would share it here as the intention
this is the note on the sidebar... Video is a place where all the horror and atrocities you ever dreamed of can be accomplished.On 4/24/06,
Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Noticed that Jen simmons had him as a student, so I asked her if she had any information to provide about
i noticedOn 4/24/06, duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
this is the note on the sidebar... Video is a place where all the horror and atrocities you ever dreamed of can be accomplished.
On 4/24/06,
Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Noticed that Jen simmons had him as a student, so
Yeah, me too. And his videos are macabre to say the least. Two of the
ones I've seen so far involve mutilating women. One features a
demented plastic surgeon ruining the face of a model, whose
disfigurement soon becomes a fashion craze. In the other, a man
attacks a woman at a bar, beats her
This is interesting, given that there is a video that revolves around a
funeral only weeks before this video, I am not disinclined to think
that this is a joke. At the same time, it is possible that the video is
real, and assuming that it may, perhaps, be a joke is probably
insensitive to
if it is a hoax, you can see that they did a nice job not using the embed this video thing on this particular video. I do however wonder how the friend got all the login information for blip, blogger etc. I know that i have autologin on my computer so maybe that is a possibility. But I don't
On 4/24/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do however wonder how the friend got all the login information for blip,
blogger etc.
Open blogger and related sites. Request new password to be emailed.
Open friend's computer and launch email client. Get passwords.
I know that i have
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is interesting, given that there is a video that revolves
around a
funeral only weeks before this video, I am not disinclined to think
that this is a joke. At the same time, it is possible that the video
is
still waiting for Jen Simmons to chime in, as she apparently taught him how to vlog.On 4/24/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is interesting, given that there is a video that revolvesaround a funeral only
I'm wondering whether to chime in now, or wait and watch this discussion go for a while more. I find it fascinating.
Kevin is fine and well. Probably tired and overwhelmed since it's the end of the semester, but he's otherwise perfectly fine. I just saw him this afternoon in class.
I don't
You find it fascinating - why? I find it tiresome and irresponsible.
God, I must be getting old. I used to appreciate a good arty blog prank.
The problem is this: Rather than using vlogs to enrich the human
experience, and expand our exposure to the range of human experiences,
pranks like
Wow... I went through a full spectrum of emotions.
I was emotionally drained by the end of the video. I watched the
complete video with a dropped jaw and lump in my throat.
It wasn't until I started reading hear that I felt angered at being
decieved and to have allowed myself the opportunity to
Well for one I have to disagree that this is worse than the insidious
creeping take-over of the vlogosphere imagination by corporate or
corporate-copy-cat consumption-oriented / advertisy /
product-placementy / slick-is-better /
we-all-want-to-be-like-the-media-on-tv trends. I find that WAY
Just for kicks, I posted the video to digg to see how people would
react. Kinda quiet so far - around a dozen diggs. Will be interesting
to see what happens if it picks up.
http://digg.com/technology/The_Death_of_a_Video_Blogger_
Meanwhile, given the fact that you're very uncomfortable with
first to address this comment about the amount of glorified death on NBC etc :)
Why aren't the christians outraged about that??
Since I sold my house a few weeks ago, I have been living with my in-laws until new house is ready for us. and they are very catholic and they love and watch
I have to agree with Jen on this. While I was personally disturbed by
the movie (I have seen far too many video and still photo memorials of
people I've known and loved) the groups' reaction is quite telling
about the impact that video over the Internet is capable of.
Its also a reminder to
On Apr 24, 2006, at 7:05 PM, Andy Carvin wrote:
Meanwhile, given the fact that you're very uncomfortable with the
constant violence on commercial tv, how do you react to Kevin's videos
that show such violence towards women? (The eye-gouging piece and the
Cronenbergesque surgeon episode
On Apr 24, 2006, at 7:34 PM, xicastmedia wrote:
Jen, would you mind commenting on what the assignment was and how Mr.
Krutz' video tied into that?
The assignment was given back in January -- make a videoblog, and post
weekly for ten weeks (or more). They could make their vlog about
On Apr 24, 2006, at 7:30 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
Since I sold my house a few weeks ago, I have been living with my
in-laws until new house is ready for us. and they are very
catholic and they love and watch every one of those shows!!
Why do you think they love them? What's
Jen, thank you for chiming in NOW and not letting the fascinating
discussion go on.
We've had this conversation on this list before, last year when a
vlogger faked having his kids taken away for something in his vlog.
Now, as then, and as with every other fake emotional manipulation in
the
anybody remember nathan peters' experiment last year?one of the vloggers in the group staged a vlog of his children being taken away (i'm still not even clear on what happened after that episode!) when it was discovered to be an experiment, people were understandably upset.
this time around,
It made it's point.
it sure did. and that aside ;-) 'fuck that' is my point ;-)
i hear ya. like steph said it's old. i'm over it though.
sull
On 4/24/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I dont know? I watched it and (of course it's wasy to say this now) Ifelt it was a fake. No...I
I do agree with you there. This has been done before time and time
again. On BBS's, newsgroups, IRC, forums...etc. Maybe that's the
reason I thought it was fake? Who knows?
Maybe I am looking for more intellectual art to stir an emotion in me.
We're old Sull...ohsoold *chuckle*
David
I feel a bit weird commenting on this since I did not get to see the
video in question until after I had read it was not
true...Looking at it after the fact I have no emotional response
to the video itself...
BUT I do to the overall idea of it..I thought it was done in
poor
Has Kevin been reading this thread? Is he willing to join in on the
discussion? That might be a learning opportunity, too.
Stan Hirson
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thinking about all this driving home, I remembered that one of my
strategies
Perhaps the reason that more aren't simply outraged on the list is due
mostly to the fact that there is no emotional tie to Kevin.
Those of us that have exposed a great deal of ourselves online during
times of grief and mourning appreciate the risk involved as well as
the surprising benefits.
I emailed him the URL to the yahoo webpage with the threat. He'll have
to subscribe to respond. I'd like him to join in, for sure -- we'll
see. Since it's the last week of school he may be way too busy to do
anything outside of schoolwork.
Any comments to on his blog will for sure get to
I emailed him the URL to the yahoo webpage with the threat
I meant thread -- (what threat would that have been -- no no no)
j
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To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your use
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
waitaminutewaitaminutewaitaminute! Wait. A. Minute.
There is an assumed contract between the blogger and the audience
that what's there is in some way or another real. This is especially
true in video, which
Was Kaycee the one a mother invented based using pictures of her daughter?It went on for awhile and she decided to end the hoax by killing off her made up online character. and I had some friends that supported *her* and were very much disturbed when they found out she never existed. Some
i've never felt older ;-)On 4/24/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do agree with you there. This has been done before time and timeagain. On BBS's, newsgroups, IRC, forums...etc. Maybe that's thereason I thought it was fake? Who knows?Maybe I am looking for more intellectual art to
Nathan Peters' videoblog was faked to a point, but then actual legal
trouble struck him. At some point, the lines between what was really
going on and what was staged got very much blurred. Now his site is
not online... I don't know what the resolution was.
Josh
On Apr 24, 2006, at 7:26
Didn't Nathan Peters eventually really loose his kids? I know he did
loose one. And he turned his site into a all-video-porn site --
teasters for free, pay to get more. It definitely seemed like the
'staged' events were blurred with real ones, and that his life was
deteriorating into a
On 4/24/06, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is an assumed contract between the blogger and the audience
that what's there is in some way or another real. This is especially
true in video, which is easy to manipulate but seems so real.
Contract? What assumed contract?
Tell Kevin he's got some interesting concepts, but really poor execution. Who was that, his girlfriend playing his mother in that short piece (of crap), The Will? Totally unconvincing..and the poor acting is distracting, to say the least. Sorry, Kev -- your work needs...work!
Harold
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