Re: [videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
On Wed, 24 May 2006 09:34:57 +0200, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Windows and Linux users who want to broadcatch are going to be SOL if the only video format you output is QT. Why? There are players for both Windows and Linux. Matt said 90% of his traffic comes from iTunes, I bet the vast majority of those are iTunes users on Windows. - Andreas, Windows and Quicktime user. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 24 May 2006 09:34:57 +0200, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Windows and Linux users who want to broadcatch are going to be SOL if the only video format you output is QT. Why? There are players for both Windows and Linux. Matt said 90% of his traffic comes from iTunes, I bet the vast majority of those are iTunes users on Windows. Yeah, I completely disagree w/ Quicktime causing Windows/Linux users to be out of luck. First of all, iTunes has captured the market for now... it works on both Windows/Mac and is bundled with Quicktime. Second, Linux users have many options and are used to hunting down workarounds. IMHO, topic-based vlogs benefit more from being in iTunes than any other viewing method (including embedding videos on their site). I've help a handful of action sports companies create video podcasts and each has had great success with Quicktime (iTunes). Each of the sites I've worked on show stats very close to Ridertech... 92.6% = iTunes 0.02% = Yahoo 0.008% = Unknown 0.007% = Bloglines 0.003% = Mefeedia 0.0008% = FireANT Actually, the other sites show an even higher percentage of iTunes readers. Don't get me wrong, I DO think that Flash on the blog (w/ a QT alternative link) and a Quicktime feed for iTunes is the best. If you have the Flash FLVs already, you can also easily add a Flash feed. So where is the problem? Do you think WMV should get more play? Vlogging already has a high production cost and I do not see the value in adding WMV right now. Just my two cents. -Matt http://vlogmap.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
Macromedia Flash Player Penetration as of April, 2006 is 97.7%: http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/penetration.html or http://tinyurl.com/qh7lf -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I thought Flash only had about 90% saturation (not 98%). See ya On 5/22/06, Chuck Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For anyone who cares, I edited the Voxmedia wiki entry about Flash video. It was extremely biased against Flash IMO: From this: * ''Flash delivery of media''. While we love Flash for lots of reasons, the downside is that Flash makes it nearly impossible for folks to quote / mashup or otherwise use your work for their own nefarious artistic purposes. If you don't care about nefarious artistic purposes as defined by the [http://creativecommons.org/ Creative Commons], then Flash is great. It will prevent folks from downloading and distributing your work, just like RealPlayer. To this: * ''Flash delivery of media''. We love Flash for lots of reasons, mainly because it's installed on 98% of browsers. The downside is that Flash makes it difficult for folks to quote / mashup or otherwise use your work for their own nefarious artistic purposes. Several videobloggers are embedding Flash video in their blog, but making a Quicktime version available for the RSS feed and other artistic uses. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: There are a few good links that have been passed along in this forum ... several are listed on the voxmedia wikik: http://www.voxmedia.org/wiki/Vlogosphere_FAQ#Vlogging_.26_The_Law -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Flash only had about 90% saturation (not 98%). It is indeed very close to 98%... I posted someting about Flash penetration last week.. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/40555 -Matt -- http://vlogmap.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Macromedia Flash Player Penetration as of April, 2006 is 97.7%: http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/penetration.html or http://tinyurl.com/qh7lf -- Enric Whoa! Adobe has been hyping the penetration of what they call Flash with some very misleading figures. First, there are several generations of Flash. The current release is Flash 8. Please go this site and see for yourself: http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetrat\ ion.html The 98 per cent -- or thereabouts -- penetration is for earlier versions. Flash 8 has much better quality for streaming than the earlier versions and, in my opinion, is well worth looking into for vlogging. But. And it is a big butt. You need a Flash 8 Player to look at Flash 8 video. It is a plugin for the browser, but there have been many, many, problems with the upgrade for IE on Windows for people who are not computer literate. Adobe has been dreadful about promoting the players for the general public. I have been dealing with this issue since January, 2006. People who have just gotten used to email and Google searching are terrified to update because the process is -- to them -- very daunting. You know, people over 30... While many of the visitors to vlogging sites are comfortable with the update process, I have found that the great unwashed of the general public gets frustrated with the upgrade process. While it is true that adoption rates for Flash 8 are climbing, none of the major aggregators such as Youtube, Google Video, etc. are streaming Flash 8. If you want to see what computer chaos would be like, imagine what would happen if they converted. On2 Technologies, the outfit that licenses the Flash 8 compression code to Adobe and others helped me with the player problem by putting up a site that will do an express install (no need for user intervention) for all platforms. You are welcome to use it and link to it: http://on2.com/flashtest Now Adobe is making noise about a Flash 9 player coming out very soon. Does that mean that Flash 8 will be replaced? It only came out in September of 2005. If you want to see a comparison of the two versions and an explanation of the player issues (with an updater), you can see how I dealt with it on http://hestakaup.typepad.com/hestablog/2006/02/flash_test.html There are quite a few clips of Flash 8. Stan Hirson http://hestablog.com http://hestakaup.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Iliya Krempeaux supercanadian@ wrote: Hello, I thought Flash only had about 90% saturation (not 98%). See ya SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
now there's an unbiased source LOL Enric wrote: Macromedia Flash Player Penetration as of April, 2006 is 97.7%: http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/penetration.html or http://tinyurl.com/qh7lf -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Iliya Krempeaux" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I thought Flash only had about 90% saturation (not 98%). See ya On 5/22/06, Chuck Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For anyone who cares, I edited the Voxmedia wiki entry about Flash video. It was extremely biased against Flash IMO: >From this: * ''Flash delivery of media''. While we love Flash for lots of reasons, the downside is that Flash makes it nearly impossible for folks to quote / mashup or otherwise use your work for their own nefarious artistic purposes. If you don't care about nefarious artistic purposes as defined by the [http://creativecommons.org/ Creative Commons], then Flash is great. It will prevent folks from downloading and distributing your work, just like RealPlayer. To this: * ''Flash delivery of media''. We love Flash for lots of reasons, mainly because it's installed on 98% of browsers. The downside is that Flash makes it difficult for folks to quote / mashup or otherwise use your work for their own nefarious artistic purposes. Several videobloggers are embedding Flash video in their blog, but making a Quicktime version available for the RSS feed and other artistic uses. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Meade" meade.dave@ wrote: There are a few good links that have been passed along in this forum ... several are listed on the voxmedia wikik: http://www.voxmedia.org/wiki/Vlogosphere_FAQ#Vlogging_.26_The_Law -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
Hello,I didn't know that On2 made the video codec for Flash 8 On2 is also the ones who originally developed the codec for Ogg Theora.See yaOn 5/23/06, Stan Hirson, Sarah Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Macromedia Flash Player Penetration as of April, 2006 is 97.7%: http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/penetration.html or http://tinyurl.com/qh7lf -- EnricWhoa!Adobe has been hyping the penetration of what they call Flashwith some very misleading figures.First, there are several generations ofFlash. The current release is Flash 8. Please go this site and seefor yourself:http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetrat\ ion.htmlThe 98 per cent -- or thereabouts -- penetration is forearlierversions.Flash 8 has much better quality for streaming than theearlier versions and, in my opinion, is well worth looking into for vlogging.But.And it is a big butt.You need a Flash 8 Player to look at Flash8 video.It is a plugin for the browser, but there have been many,many, problems with the upgrade for IE on Windows for people who are not computer literate.Adobe has been dreadful about promoting the playersfor the general public. I have been dealing with this issue sinceJanuary, 2006.People who have just gotten used to email and Googlesearching are terrified to update because the process is-- to them -- very daunting.You know, people over 30...While many of the visitors to vlogging sites are comfortable with theupdate process, I have found that the great unwashed of the generalpublic gets frustrated with the upgrade process. While it is true that adoption rates for Flash 8 are climbing, none ofthe major aggregators such as Youtube, Google Video, etc. are streamingFlash 8.If you want to see what computer chaos would be like, imagine what would happen if they converted.On2 Technologies, the outfit that licenses the Flash 8 compression codeto Adobe and others helped me with the player problem by putting up asite that will do an express install (no need for user intervention) for all platforms.You are welcome to use it and link to it:http://on2.com/flashtestNow Adobe is making noise about a Flash 9 player coming out very soon.Does that mean that Flash 8 will be replaced?It only came out in September of 2005.If you want to see a comparison of the two versions and an explanationof the player issues (with an updater),you can see how I dealt with it on http://hestakaup.typepad.com/hestablog/2006/02/flash_test.htmlThere are quite a few clips of Flash 8.Stan Hirsonhttp://hestablog.com http://hestakaup.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Iliya Krempeaux supercanadian@ wrote: Hello, I thought Flash only had about 90% saturation (not 98%).See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.casupercanadian @ gmail.comdeveloper weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
yes, but On2 VP3 (theora) and VP6 (Flash 8) are vastly different.-JoshOn 5/23/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,I didn't know that On2 made the video codec for Flash 8 On2 is also the ones who originally developed the codec for Ogg Theora.See ya On 5/23/06, Stan Hirson, Sarah Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Macromedia Flash Player Penetration as of April, 2006 is 97.7%: http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/penetration.html or http://tinyurl.com/qh7lf -- EnricWhoa!Adobe has been hyping the penetration of what they call Flashwith some very misleading figures.First, there are several generations ofFlash. The current release is Flash 8. Please go this site and seefor yourself: http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetrat\ ion.htmlThe 98 per cent -- or thereabouts -- penetration is forearlierversions.Flash 8 has much better quality for streaming than theearlier versions and, in my opinion, is well worth looking into for vlogging.But.And it is a big butt.You need a Flash 8 Player to look at Flash8 video.It is a plugin for the browser, but there have been many,many, problems with the upgrade for IE on Windows for people who are not computer literate.Adobe has been dreadful about promoting the playersfor the general public. I have been dealing with this issue sinceJanuary, 2006.People who have just gotten used to email and Google searching are terrified to update because the process is-- to them -- very daunting.You know, people over 30...While many of the visitors to vlogging sites are comfortable with theupdate process, I have found that the great unwashed of the generalpublic gets frustrated with the upgrade process. While it is true that adoption rates for Flash 8 are climbing, none ofthe major aggregators such as Youtube, Google Video, etc. are streamingFlash 8.If you want to see what computer chaos would be like, imagine what would happen if they converted.On2 Technologies, the outfit that licenses the Flash 8 compression codeto Adobe and others helped me with the player problem by putting up asite that will do an express install (no need for user intervention) for all platforms.You are welcome to use it and link to it:http://on2.com/flashtestNow Adobe is making noise about a Flash 9 player coming out very soon. Does that mean that Flash 8 will be replaced?It only came out in September of 2005.If you want to see a comparison of the two versions and an explanationof the player issues (with an updater),you can see how I dealt with it on http://hestakaup.typepad.com/hestablog/2006/02/flash_test.htmlThere are quite a few clips of Flash 8.Stan Hirson http://hestablog.com http://hestakaup.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Iliya Krempeaux supercanadian@ wrote: Hello, I thought Flash only had about 90% saturation (not 98%).See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
Yup, Flash 8 has some nice features (alpha channeling) and quality. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I didn't know that On2 made the video codec for Flash 8 On2 is also the ones who originally developed the codec for Ogg Theora. See ya On 5/23/06, Stan Hirson, Sarah Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric enric@ wrote: Macromedia Flash Player Penetration as of April, 2006 is 97.7%: http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/penetration.html or http://tinyurl.com/qh7lf -- Enric Whoa! Adobe has been hyping the penetration of what they call Flash with some very misleading figures. First, there are several generations of Flash. The current release is Flash 8. Please go this site and see for yourself: http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetrat\ ion.html The 98 per cent -- or thereabouts -- penetration is for earlier versions. Flash 8 has much better quality for streaming than the earlier versions and, in my opinion, is well worth looking into for vlogging. But. And it is a big butt. You need a Flash 8 Player to look at Flash 8 video. It is a plugin for the browser, but there have been many, many, problems with the upgrade for IE on Windows for people who are not computer literate. Adobe has been dreadful about promoting the players for the general public. I have been dealing with this issue since January, 2006. People who have just gotten used to email and Google searching are terrified to update because the process is -- to them -- very daunting. You know, people over 30... While many of the visitors to vlogging sites are comfortable with the update process, I have found that the great unwashed of the general public gets frustrated with the upgrade process. While it is true that adoption rates for Flash 8 are climbing, none of the major aggregators such as Youtube, Google Video, etc. are streaming Flash 8. If you want to see what computer chaos would be like, imagine what would happen if they converted. On2 Technologies, the outfit that licenses the Flash 8 compression code to Adobe and others helped me with the player problem by putting up a site that will do an express install (no need for user intervention) for all platforms. You are welcome to use it and link to it: http://on2.com/flashtest Now Adobe is making noise about a Flash 9 player coming out very soon. Does that mean that Flash 8 will be replaced? It only came out in September of 2005. If you want to see a comparison of the two versions and an explanation of the player issues (with an updater), you can see how I dealt with it on http://hestakaup.typepad.com/hestablog/2006/02/flash_test.html There are quite a few clips of Flash 8. Stan Hirson http://hestablog.com http://hestakaup.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Iliya Krempeaux supercanadian@ wrote: Hello, I thought Flash only had about 90% saturation (not 98%). See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
Before we continue to debate the various versions of Flash, can someone post hard numbers for the penetration rate of Quicktime and Windows Media? My bet is that both are less than Flash... and there is no doubt a downside to each. Seems like the best option would be to output both Flash and QT. You can use the Flash by default on your blog, but also offer a QT link if they do not have Flash. Better yet, set a cookie for their preference. Then of course offer a QT feed for iTunes/iPod. As for the wiki's accuracy, lets just add a link to the Flash penetration page. It is continually updated and straight from the source. -Matt -- http://vlogmap.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea they'd be lucky to have 90% with flash 6 nowhere near that with flash 8 of course, adobe marketing will claim much higher i'm sure SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
I'm having a hard time finding hard numbers. Here's an article in Publish magazine putting Quicktime at 59% and Windows at 50%. http://www.publish.com/article2/0,1895,1780061,00.asp I don't think there's any question Flash has a bigger installed user base than any other video format. That's why YouTube, video ads, etc. are using it. That's why, after many thousands of visits, I've never had a single person say your video won't load unless I did something wrong. :-) That said, there are still pros and cons, and I completely agree that embedding Flash while offering a Quicktime feed is an excellent choice. That's what I do. Here's a good article discussing Pros and Cons of Flash video. It's generally more difficult for a novice to create Flash video, though services like Blip and YouTube perhaps make that a non-issue: http://www.publish.com/article2/0,1895,1780061,00.asp cheers, chuck mnstories.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before we continue to debate the various versions of Flash, can someone post hard numbers for the penetration rate of Quicktime and Windows Media? My bet is that both are less than Flash... and there is no doubt a downside to each. Seems like the best option would be to output both Flash and QT. You can use the Flash by default on your blog, but also offer a QT link if they do not have Flash. Better yet, set a cookie for their preference. Then of course offer a QT feed for iTunes/iPod. As for the wiki's accuracy, lets just add a link to the Flash penetration page. It is continually updated and straight from the source. -Matt -- SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
Oops! Flash video Pros and Cons article here: http://www.mediacollege.com/flash/video/pros-cons.html SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
Thanks Chuck! Although the Flash/QT combo is the best option, I'm still too lazy to do it. iTunes represents 90% of our video traffic so I'm in no hurry. Plus, high-action video like skiing/snowboarding doesn't look very good in Flash. -Matt http://ridertech.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm having a hard time finding hard numbers. Here's an article in Publish magazine putting Quicktime at 59% and Windows at 50%. http://www.publish.com/article2/0,1895,1780061,00.asp I don't think there's any question Flash has a bigger installed user base than any other video format. That's why YouTube, video ads, etc. are using it. That's why, after many thousands of visits, I've never had a single person say your video won't load unless I did something wrong. :-) That said, there are still pros and cons, and I completely agree that embedding Flash while offering a Quicktime feed is an excellent choice. That's what I do. Here's a good article discussing Pros and Cons of Flash video. It's generally more difficult for a novice to create Flash video, though services like Blip and YouTube perhaps make that a non-issue: http://www.publish.com/article2/0,1895,1780061,00.asp cheers, chuck mnstories.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, LeanBackVids.com leanbackvids@ wrote: Before we continue to debate the various versions of Flash, can someone post hard numbers for the penetration rate of Quicktime and Windows Media? My bet is that both are less than Flash... and there is no doubt a downside to each. Seems like the best option would be to output both Flash and QT. You can use the Flash by default on your blog, but also offer a QT link if they do not have Flash. Better yet, set a cookie for their preference. Then of course offer a QT feed for iTunes/iPod. As for the wiki's accuracy, lets just add a link to the Flash penetration page. It is continually updated and straight from the source. -Matt -- SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...snip I don't think there's any question Flash has a bigger installed user base than any other video format. That's why YouTube, video ads, etc. are using it. That's why, after many thousands of visits, I've never had a single person say your video won't load unless I did something wrong. :-) ... That's because you are referring to Flash 7 (MX). The current version, which has not been adopted by YouTube, Google, etc. is Flash 8. It has outstanding quality for streaming at a bitrate that does not need buffering on a medium broadband line. But it needs a browser plugin in order to play. It can be very scary for people who are not computer literate to install this plugin on Windows IE which is still the most popular browser configuration. I have been using Flash 8 through the On2 Flix Pro encoder with great results on my end but the user experience has been dreadful. Finally, On2 Technologies helped me with this problem and came out with a detecter/updater site that actually works. You are welcome to use and link to http://on2.com/flashtest/ Now Adobe is making noises about coming out with Flash 9 quite soon. Flash 8 was only released in September, 2005. It is very discouraging unless they come out with a very simple way of upgrading. Stan Hirson http://hestablog.com http://hestakaup.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. Your site's particular audience, however, may stray from general consumer norms either way... some sites target early adopters, other sites target people with locked machines. Varies. I think John makes a great point here. My sites generally target people who are just now getting comfortable with email (and are not yet profficient at it) who think it is a big deal to do a Google search. There have been a number of problems with the upgrade to Flash 8 ranging from people on networks at work who do not have authority to alter software to people who went on the adobe site and then panicked when they had to do an install for the first time to people who had been warned not to add anything at all for fear of viruses, spyware, trojans, etc. It was not until I put up many many links to on2.com/flashtest that I was able to get people to upgrade. I am sticking with Flash 8 for one reason. It will stream out good quality video at a decent bitrate without buffering during normal internet loads. I have making what may be the most narrow niche vlogs in the vologosphere: Icelandic horses. No matter. But in order to show the fluidity of the horses' gaits I had to be able to compress at 30 fps. I tried every variety of QuickTime but I could not get it to stream with the quality I needed without stuttering. My target audience could care less about iPods or re-mixing and editing. They just want to sit down at the computer and watch a movie about something that they happen to be passionate about. Stan Hirson http://hestablog.com http://hestakaup.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Voxmedia wiki: Flash video
Bravo! -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For anyone who cares, I edited the Voxmedia wiki entry about Flash video. It was extremely biased against Flash IMO: From this: * ''Flash delivery of media''. While we love Flash for lots of reasons, the downside is that Flash makes it nearly impossible for folks to quote / mashup or otherwise use your work for their own nefarious artistic purposes. If you don't care about nefarious artistic purposes as defined by the [http://creativecommons.org/ Creative Commons], then Flash is great. It will prevent folks from downloading and distributing your work, just like RealPlayer. To this: * ''Flash delivery of media''. We love Flash for lots of reasons, mainly because it's installed on 98% of browsers. The downside is that Flash makes it difficult for folks to quote / mashup or otherwise use your work for their own nefarious artistic purposes. Several videobloggers are embedding Flash video in their blog, but making a Quicktime version available for the RSS feed and other artistic uses. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: There are a few good links that have been passed along in this forum ... several are listed on the voxmedia wikik: http://www.voxmedia.org/wiki/Vlogosphere_FAQ#Vlogging_.26_The_Law SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
