[videoblogging] Re: seminar filming?-thanks
Thanks everyone for responding to my question. You gave me some very helpful and insightful advice! The flip cam was a great idea as a second camcorder option. Didn't even think about it. And sound, yes, will have to sort that out, if the client decides to actually go for the workshop filming. Thanks again! Have a great day. Loreta --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ratbagradio ratbagra...@... wrote: Another complication with 'workshops' is that they are often held in much smaller rooms-- such as in a college. This may be a plus of course, but once you have the participants packed in, along with any furniture -- which may include tables -- your ability to rove will be constrained and similarly your line of camera sight may be obscured as the speakers speak in turn, so that you may be shooting the back of someone's head. This is doubly so if the penchant to create an intimate chat circle is used. During conferences the transitions in the agenda may be so short that it's hard to deal with the sudden rush of people moving from room to room, taking up any positions as they please. Lesson:check the layout of the room,and the likely position of all participants, before you do your setup. I've never shot video in these circumstances but I've been confronted with audio recording issues. dave riley --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joly MacFie joly@ wrote: My method has been to run a recorder off the board, but also mainly to have a Zoom H2 set on 2 chan surround somewhere fairly central.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: seminar filming?
My method has been to run a recorder off the board, but also mainly to have a Zoom H2 set on 2 chan surround somewhere fairly central. Then one can run it through the levelator to balance out loud and quiet. The it's just a question of mixing, or cutting between one and the other in post. j On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:38 AM, ratbagradio ratbagra...@gmail.com wrote: I've been involved in a bit of conference coverage primarily using audio recording and workshops are the most difficult challenge of any of the setups. So it's not just capturing the video. If there is a lot of audience participation -- as in a true workshop -- then you have to capture the voices no matter where they are located especially if it's a hand about microphone. So that's lesson one -- if there is a roving mic, plug into the sound system for your audio input. If there is no roving microphone at all your only option is to move to close quarters with every speaker. So maybe a single very active video photographer is the way to go during any interchange. But mic pickup in these events is very hard to do without being a tad disruptive with your presence and I doubt there will be many participants who'll appreciate such proximity of a camera. Another way its done is mic-ed speaker and a floor mic on stand, That was is easy peasy but thats' not very workshoppy. dave riley --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joly MacFie j...@... wrote: I recently got a flipHD and, while it's not much cop in the low light music things that are my usual stock in hand, it works well in a seminar setting. I bought a monkeypod and ball head which enables me to be quite flexible with placement. It gives a nice clean 720p Yahoo! Groups Links -- --- Joly MacFie 917 442 8665 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com ---
Re: [videoblogging] Re: seminar filming?
My method has been to run a recorder off the board, but also mainly to have a Zoom H2 set on 2 chan surround somewhere fairly central. Then one can run it through the levelator to balance out loud and quiet. The it's just a question of mixing, or cutting between one and the other in post. We dont talk about it often, but this free software is really awesome for normalizing audio: http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/levelator jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://momentshowing.net http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790
[videoblogging] Re: seminar filming?
Another complication with 'workshops' is that they are often held in much smaller rooms-- such as in a college. This may be a plus of course, but once you have the participants packed in, along with any furniture -- which may include tables -- your ability to rove will be constrained and similarly your line of camera sight may be obscured as the speakers speak in turn, so that you may be shooting the back of someone's head. This is doubly so if the penchant to create an intimate chat circle is used. During conferences the transitions in the agenda may be so short that it's hard to deal with the sudden rush of people moving from room to room, taking up any positions as they please. Lesson:check the layout of the room,and the likely position of all participants, before you do your setup. I've never shot video in these circumstances but I've been confronted with audio recording issues. dave riley --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joly MacFie j...@... wrote: My method has been to run a recorder off the board, but also mainly to have a Zoom H2 set on 2 chan surround somewhere fairly central.
[videoblogging] Re: seminar filming?
Thanks David and Richard. And yes, it involves audience engagement. It's more like a workshop type, but the leader of these workshops would like to get the edited meat of the whole thing. So that's why I thought that only one camera is not going to be enough. And yes, one angle could be an option if it's really engaging, I agree, but I've watched some where I thought that it was about the time to change the scenery :) Or I guess I could just film over the audience while they're preparing for the workshop or after it, or during QA part. Just brainstorming on the go :) Thanks. Loreta --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Jones david.jo...@... wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Loreta_Vaidas loretabir...@... wrote: Hello, have any of you filmed seminars and made webinars out of them? A client approached me with this idea and asked if there's any way I could help him out. I told him that I have only one camcorder and I assume for such filming I would need at least two to get different angles. Is that true or would one camcorder be enough? I would assume that there would have to be a lot of requests to stop and change the angles during filming with just one. Plus to get all the details,like hands, moods of the crowd, would be very difficult as well. Any input on that? I know that there are videographers who specialize in filming seminars and making webinars for corporate clients, but I don't know the specifics of this type of job. Thanks. Loreta I've never filmed one, but I've watched plenty. And I have no problems what so ever watching a single angle one or even two hour shot of the speaker if they are engaging enough. I find that different camera angles don't add any value if the main angle is a good one. But I do know that professional filming of such things like to wank it up with shots of the crowd nodding or whatever. It's different if the seminar involves audience interaction though. Dave.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: seminar filming?
I recently got a flipHD and, while it's not much cop in the low light music things that are my usual stock in hand, it works well in a seminar setting. I bought a monkeypod and ball head which enables me to be quite flexible with placement. It gives a nice clean 720p See here http://punkcast.com/1704/index.html where you can see it in comparison with my handheld TRV900. And this one just using the flip. http://www.isoc-ny.org/?p=1338 In both cases I recorded audio separately using a zoom h2. The flip holds 2 hours but needs a restart after an hour or so. So, that's my suggestion, get a couple of flips or similar and park the around the place, and use a handheld to get the extra shots. But further points are 1) aren't most webinars live? 2) audio is what really counts - many people listen while reading/ browsing etc 3) in such contexts nobody really minds the occasional clunky transition while one shifts camera. joly On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Loreta_Vaidas loretabir...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks David and Richard. And yes, it involves audience engagement. It's more like a workshop type, but the leader of these workshops would like to get the edited meat of the whole thing. So that's why I thought that only one camera is not going to be enough. And yes, one angle could be an option if it's really engaging, I agree, but I've watched some where I thought that it was about the time to change the scenery :) Or I guess I could just film over the audience while they're preparing for the workshop or after it, or during QA part. Just brainstorming on the go :) Thanks. Loreta --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Jones david.jo...@... wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Loreta_Vaidas loretabir...@... wrote: Hello, have any of you filmed seminars and made webinars out of them? A client approached me with this idea and asked if there's any way I could help him out. I told him that I have only one camcorder and I assume for such filming I would need at least two to get different angles. Is that true or would one camcorder be enough? I would assume that there would have to be a lot of requests to stop and change the angles during filming with just one. Plus to get all the details,like hands, moods of the crowd, would be very difficult as well. Any input on that? I know that there are videographers who specialize in filming seminars and making webinars for corporate clients, but I don't know the specifics of this type of job. Thanks. Loreta I've never filmed one, but I've watched plenty. And I have no problems what so ever watching a single angle one or even two hour shot of the speaker if they are engaging enough. I find that different camera angles don't add any value if the main angle is a good one. But I do know that professional filming of such things like to wank it up with shots of the crowd nodding or whatever. It's different if the seminar involves audience interaction though. Dave. Yahoo! Groups Links -- --- Joly MacFie 917 442 8665 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com ---
[videoblogging] Re: seminar filming?
I've been involved in a bit of conference coverage primarily using audio recording and workshops are the most difficult challenge of any of the setups. So it's not just capturing the video. If there is a lot of audience participation -- as in a true workshop -- then you have to capture the voices no matter where they are located especially if it's a hand about microphone. So that's lesson one -- if there is a roving mic, plug into the sound system for your audio input. If there is no roving microphone at all your only option is to move to close quarters with every speaker. So maybe a single very active video photographer is the way to go during any interchange. But mic pickup in these events is very hard to do without being a tad disruptive with your presence and I doubt there will be many participants who'll appreciate such proximity of a camera. Another way its done is mic-ed speaker and a floor mic on stand, That was is easy peasy but thats' not very workshoppy. dave riley --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joly MacFie j...@... wrote: I recently got a flipHD and, while it's not much cop in the low light music things that are my usual stock in hand, it works well in a seminar setting. I bought a monkeypod and ball head which enables me to be quite flexible with placement. It gives a nice clean 720p
