Re: [videoblogging] Google Video IS A TRAP!
On Dec 23, 2005, at 9:51 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: i love how they have google ads on the site LOLHa! that is the final irony... Also... hot damn google's servers are fast... and that did actually play in fireANT mac, though the quality was horrid.I wonder how google will respond to this prying open of their media vault... will they respond by opening up to the idea of downloadable media or further discriminate against it taking moves to squash it.I'm thinking... given their history (i.e. google maps)... they might just open google video up... I really hope so... they do have to know since they're at least aware of archive.org, ourmedia, and vlogging that this fundamentally is incompatible with the direction things are leaning... but the question is will the economics allow them to be a free and open distributor?BTW, did google squash that hack to use gmail as private file storage?-MikeOn 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, this is also funny: http://dev2.traxio.net/projects/googlevideo/ Beats my Greasemonkey script... although the usability of this is a little confusing. You search something, then grab the URL of the video on Google Video and then paste it into the Video URL input. Could be more streamlined. -Josh On 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, and the sky is falling too! I'm no fan of Google Video either, but I can see why they do it. They want the experience to be "sticky" They want advertising impressions They want to track the advertising impressions They want to put ads in and around the videos They want to offer paid access for video viewing There's probably more, but that's just off the top of my head. It is what it is... -Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT.AND that's just for starters... The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it.And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be "pretty"... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING. Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK!I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING!1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby. It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE.2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... "you know about half way in when you do that one thing"... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad revene from
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video IS A TRAP!
On Dec 23, 2005, at 9:50 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: I still think this FLV plugin for wordpress is nice: http://roel.meurders.nl/wordpress-plugins/wp-flv-video-player- plugin/ Haven't noticed anyone using it, though I've posted here about it a few times. I still suggest providing an alternative video format for syndication though. I'd be happier with FLV if it was easier to deal with that way. We're stil working on FLV playback for Windows FireAnt. But I don't often see it syndicated probably because of the issues I shared in a previous post. That's very cool for web UI as long as, as you say an alternate donnloadable format is used. I doubt I'll ever use it though. I didn't see anything about codec... so I assume you just have to export your video as an FLV or SWF and the codec doesn't matter so long as it's a standard macromedia one... but I assume Sorensen (sp?) is best... Does anyone know if QT or any editing software besides macromedia will export this. Oh, btw, on the flash player page it says YouTube uses the player though not the wordpress plugin I'm sure. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog and evilvlog.com -Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep.. google video is not currently intended for true videobloggers. On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no offense taken ;-) now i'll read your latest brain dump. note: i dont like google video. note: i still see the potential of flv in our space. note: i would never encourage any vlogger to only use flv/swf... thats very poor decision. wont reiterate my past babble though ;-) On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT. AND that's just for starters... The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it. And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING. Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK! I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING! 1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby. It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE. 2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... you know about half way in when
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video IS A TRAP!
On Jan 3, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: You export an FLV to use this plugin. They recommend a free SWF video controller that dynamically loads the FLV (this is the same SWF controller that used to be used by YouTube... they've changed it since then). This is also the same technique we use to play FLV inside FireAnt by the way... we use a SWF controller that dynamically loads FLV content. Yeah that's the flv controller to which I was referring... very nice. I didn't know you used that IN FireANT... very cool... thanks for the info btw... I'll have to use more Flash stuff in FireANT. You can export FLV from Quicktime Pro (or iMovie/Final Cut) as long as you have the Quicktime FLV export component that comes with Flash MX 2004 Professional (which I got from my previous job a while back). So Flash MX comes with a quicktime component that does in the Quicktime components folder I assume... I'll have to reinstall Flash MX and check it out... sounds very useful. -Mike -Josh On 1/2/06, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 23, 2005, at 9:50 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: I still think this FLV plugin for wordpress is nice: http://roel.meurders.nl/wordpress-plugins/wp-flv-video-player- plugin/ Haven't noticed anyone using it, though I've posted here about it a few times. I still suggest providing an alternative video format for syndication though. I'd be happier with FLV if it was easier to deal with that way. We're stil working on FLV playback for Windows FireAnt. But I don't often see it syndicated probably because of the issues I shared in a previous post. That's very cool for web UI as long as, as you say an alternate donnloadable format is used. I doubt I'll ever use it though. I didn't see anything about codec... so I assume you just have to export your video as an FLV or SWF and the codec doesn't matter so long as it's a standard macromedia one... but I assume Sorensen (sp?) is best... Does anyone know if QT or any editing software besides macromedia will export this. Oh, btw, on the flash player page it says YouTube uses the player though not the wordpress plugin I'm sure. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog and evilvlog.com -Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep.. google video is not currently intended for true videobloggers. On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no offense taken ;-) now i'll read your latest brain dump. note: i dont like google video. note: i still see the potential of flv in our space. note: i would never encourage any vlogger to only use flv/swf... thats very poor decision. wont reiterate my past babble though ;-) On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT. AND that's just for starters... The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it. And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING. Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK! I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video IS A TRAP!
Google may not be best for what we intend it for in the share, create, remix space. But for mainstream media...hmm...check this out: Google to start renting videos? http://blogs.zdnet.com/Google/index.php?p=59On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT.AND that's just for starters...The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it.And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING.Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK!I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING!1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby.It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE.2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... you know about half way in when you do that one thing... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad revene from them? WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can LOOK at them... oh so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely inaccessible for anything other than looking at... heh... you can always screen snap them! Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, right... it's just stuff to look at that's all, right? It's not anything more than just looking, right? I create stuff for people to look at... heh... look at that... look at this.. I looked at that... did you look at that? It's right there on google video for you to look at.These google videos fundamentally locked down to google's pages... think of them as googles whores... it makes about as much sense as the Music industry buying into Apple's DRM and then bitching, why the heck does this only work with the ipod!? Why should apple have a monopoly? Why... because you wanted it non-interroperable you fucks and that's what you got! Wake up and smell the coffee.Closed platforms are BUNK ... they have no future... they're fundamentally inaccessible, have limited usability, no findability or searchability outside of that which is provided, and no flexibility... you get the damn play button and the slide bar because that's what google said you could have bitch ... want a timestamp... screw you... no flash plugin.. screw you... want it on your ipod...screw you... want to put it in a playlist with your other home movies... screw you... want to project it on a damn wall.. screw you... want to quote it.. .screw you... play it at your
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video IS A TRAP!
Ha, this is also funny: http://dev2.traxio.net/projects/googlevideo/ Beats my Greasemonkey script... although the usability of this is a little confusing. You search something, then grab the URL of the video on Google Video and then paste it into the Video URL input. Could be more streamlined. -Josh On 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, and the sky is falling too! I'm no fan of Google Video either, but I can see why they do it. They want the experience to be sticky They want advertising impressions They want to track the advertising impressions They want to put ads in and around the videos They want to offer paid access for video viewing There's probably more, but that's just off the top of my head. It is what it is... -Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT.AND that's just for starters...The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it.And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING.Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK!I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING!1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby.It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE.2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... you know about half way in when you do that one thing... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad revene from them? WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can LOOK at them... oh so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely inaccessible for anything other than looking at... heh... you can always screen snap them! Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, right... it's just stuff to look at that's all, right? It's not anything more than just looking, right? I create stuff for people to look at... heh... look at that... look at this.. I looked at that... did you look at that? It's right there on google video for you to look at.These google videos fundamentally locked down to google's pages... think of them as googles whores... it makes about as much sense as the Music industry buying into Apple's DRM and then bitching, why the heck does this only work with the ipod!? Why should apple have a monopoly? Why... because you wanted it non-interroperable you fucks and that's what you got! Wake up and smell the coffee.Closed platforms are BUNK
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video IS A TRAP!
yep.. google video is not currently intended for true videobloggers.On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:no offense taken ;-) now i'll read your latest brain dump.note: i dont like google video. note: i still see the potential of flv in our space.note: i would never encourage any vlogger to only use flv/swf... thats very poor decision. wont reiterate my past babble though ;-) On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT. AND that's just for starters...The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it. And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING. Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK! I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING! 1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby.It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE. 2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... you know about half way in when you do that one thing... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad revene from them? WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can LOOK at them... oh so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely inaccessible for anything other than looking at... heh... you can always screen snap them! Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, right... it's just stuff to look at that's all, right? It's not anything more than just looking, right? I create stuff for people to look at... heh... look at that... look at this.. I looked at that... did you look at that? It's right there on google video for you to look at. These google videos fundamentally locked down to google's pages... think of them as googles whores... it makes about as much sense as the Music industry buying into Apple's DRM and then bitching, why the heck does this only work with the ipod!? Why should apple have a monopoly? Why... because you wanted it non-interroperable you fucks and that's what you got! Wake up and smell the coffee. Closed platforms are BUNK ... they have no future... they're fundamentally inaccessible, have limited usability, no findability or searchability outside of that which is provided, and no flexibility... you get the damn play button and the slide bar because that's what google said you could have bitch ... want a timestamp... screw you... no flash plugin.. screw you... want it
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video IS A TRAP!
BTW, I LOVE Eric Rice's utilization of Flash on audioblog.com though. It's exactly what flash was meant to be... web based presentation... with a direct link to the portable and dowloadable media below it.Flash has it's place in presentation... it's not a complete solution... btw... I've used flash since Director 1.0... in other words I've been using Macromedia's products since WAY before flash or even the web... they've got a very specific and very small nich in the web world. I've battled people for years who built whole websites out of them... this is a long road of loving it when it's used right... and constantly trying to explain how burrying content in unquoteable... un bookmarkable... un linkable flash is not a good idea... it's an accessibility issue through and through. And google video... is inaccessible in every way but their ONE intended way.-MikeOn Dec 23, 2005, at 9:38 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: no offense taken ;-) now i'll read your latest brain dump.note: i dont like google video.note: i still see the potential of flv in our space.note: i would never encourage any vlogger to only use flv/swf... thats very poor decision. wont reiterate my past babble though ;-) On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT. AND that's just for starters... The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it. And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be "pretty"... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING. Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK! I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING! 1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby. It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE. 2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... "you know about half way in when you do that one thing"... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad revene from them? WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can LOOK at them... oh so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely inaccessible for anything other than looking at... heh... you can always screen snap them! Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, right... it's just stuff to "look at" that's all, right? It's not anything more than just looking, right? I create stuff for people to look at... heh... look at that... look at this.. I looked at that... did you look at that? It's
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video IS A TRAP!
is what it is... exactly. shit, look at myspace etc... fuck, have you been to medicinefilms.com lately?ad Bombardment. that shit is against my non-existing religion. sullOn 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, and the sky is falling too! I'm no fan of Google Video either, but I can see why they do it. They want the experience to be sticky They want advertising impressions They want to track the advertising impressions They want to put ads in and around the videos They want to offer paid access for video viewing There's probably more, but that's just off the top of my head. It is what it is... -Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT.AND that's just for starters...The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it.And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING.Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK!I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING!1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby.It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE.2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... you know about half way in when you do that one thing... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad revene from them? WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can LOOK at them... oh so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely inaccessible for anything other than looking at... heh... you can always screen snap them! Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, right... it's just stuff to look at that's all, right? It's not anything more than just looking, right? I create stuff for people to look at... heh... look at that... look at this.. I looked at that... did you look at that? It's right there on google video for you to look at.These google videos fundamentally locked down to google's pages... think of them as googles whores... it makes about as much sense as the Music industry buying into Apple's DRM and then bitching, why the heck does this only work with the ipod!? Why should apple have a monopoly? Why... because you wanted it non-interroperable you fucks and that's what you got! Wake up and smell the coffee.Closed platforms are BUNK ... they have no future... they're fundamentally inaccessible, have limited usability, no findability or searchability outside of
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this is the site i referred to before... except it used to be at downloadgooglevideo.comOn 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, this is also funny: http://dev2.traxio.net/projects/googlevideo/ Beats my Greasemonkey script... although the usability of this is a little confusing. You search something, then grab the URL of the video on Google Video and then paste it into the Video URL input. Could be more streamlined. -Josh On 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, and the sky is falling too! I'm no fan of Google Video either, but I can see why they do it. They want the experience to be sticky They want advertising impressions They want to track the advertising impressions They want to put ads in and around the videos They want to offer paid access for video viewing There's probably more, but that's just off the top of my head. It is what it is... -Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT.AND that's just for starters...The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it.And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING.Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK!I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING!1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby.It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE.2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... you know about half way in when you do that one thing... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad revene from them? WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can LOOK at them... oh so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely inaccessible for anything other than looking at... heh... you can always screen snap them! Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, right... it's just stuff to look at that's all, right? It's not anything more than just looking, right? I create stuff for people to look at... heh... look at that... look at this.. I looked at that... did you look at that? It's right there on google video for you to look at.These google videos fundamentally locked down to google's pages... think of them as googles whores... it makes about as much sense as the Music industry buying into Apple's DRM and then bitching, why the heck does this only work with the ipod!? Why should apple have a
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video IS A TRAP!
I still think this FLV plugin for wordpress is nice: http://roel.meurders.nl/wordpress-plugins/wp-flv-video-player-plugin/ Haven't noticed anyone using it, though I've posted here about it a few times. I still suggest providing an alternative video format for syndication though. I'd be happier with FLV if it was easier to deal with that way. We're stil working on FLV playback for Windows FireAnt. But I don't often see it syndicated probably because of the issues I shared in a previous post. -Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep.. google video is not currently intended for true videobloggers. On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no offense taken ;-) now i'll read your latest brain dump. note: i dont like google video. note: i still see the potential of flv in our space. note: i would never encourage any vlogger to only use flv/swf... thats very poor decision. wont reiterate my past babble though ;-) On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT. AND that's just for starters... The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it. And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING. Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK! I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING! 1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby. It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE. 2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... you know about half way in when you do that one thing... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad revene from them? WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can LOOK at them... oh so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely inaccessible for anything other than looking at... heh... you can always screen snap them! Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, right... it's just stuff to look at that's all, right? It's not anything more than just looking, right? I create stuff for people to look at... heh... look at that... look at
Re: [videoblogging] Google Video IS A TRAP!
i love how they have google ads on the site LOLOn 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, this is also funny: http://dev2.traxio.net/projects/googlevideo/ Beats my Greasemonkey script... although the usability of this is a little confusing. You search something, then grab the URL of the video on Google Video and then paste it into the Video URL input. Could be more streamlined. -Josh On 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, and the sky is falling too! I'm no fan of Google Video either, but I can see why they do it. They want the experience to be sticky They want advertising impressions They want to track the advertising impressions They want to put ads in and around the videos They want to offer paid access for video viewing There's probably more, but that's just off the top of my head. It is what it is... -Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT.AND that's just for starters...The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it.And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING.Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK!I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING!1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby.It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE.2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... you know about half way in when you do that one thing... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad revene from them? WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can LOOK at them... oh so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely inaccessible for anything other than looking at... heh... you can always screen snap them! Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, right... it's just stuff to look at that's all, right? It's not anything more than just looking, right? I create stuff for people to look at... heh... look at that... look at this.. I looked at that... did you look at that? It's right there on google video for you to look at.These google videos fundamentally locked down to google's pages... think of them as googles whores... it makes about as much sense as the Music industry buying into Apple's DRM and then bitching, why the heck does this only work with the ipod!? Why should apple have a monopoly? Why... because you wanted it
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And where in any of that is they want you to be able to...- enjoy your videos anywhere other than google- organize your videos- share your videos anywhere other than on google- be able to make money of your videos yourself... or offer you any ways they've come up with to make money of your videosBasically their interface says to me... ME, ME, ME! Screw that.On Dec 23, 2005, at 9:41 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Ha, and the sky is falling too! I'm no fan of Google Video either, but I can see why they do it. They want the experience to be "sticky" They want advertising impressions They want to track the advertising impressions They want to put ads in and around the videos They want to offer paid access for video viewing There's probably more, but that's just off the top of my head. It is what it is... -Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT.AND that's just for starters... The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it.And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be "pretty"... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING. Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK!I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING!1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby. It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE.2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... "you know about half way in when you do that one thing"... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad revene from them? WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can LOOK at them... oh so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely inaccessible for anything other than looking at... heh... you can always screen snap them! Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, right... it's just stuff to "look at" that's all, right? It's not anything more than just looking, right? I create stuff for people to look at... heh... look at that... look at this.. I looked at that... did you look at that? It's right there on google video for you to look at.These google videos fundamentally locked down to google's pages... think of them as googles whores... it makes about as much sense as the Music industry buying into Apple's DRM and then bitching, why the heck does this only work with the ipod!? Why should apple have a monopoly? Why... because you wanted it non-interroperable you fucks
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this is the only flv feed i am subscribed to that properly has the flv enclosures without dependencies.http://feeds.feedburner.com/NetvideoFLV On 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still think this FLV plugin for wordpress is nice: http://roel.meurders.nl/wordpress-plugins/wp-flv-video-player-plugin/ Haven't noticed anyone using it, though I've posted here about it afew times. I still suggest providing an alternative video format forsyndication though. I'd be happier with FLV if it was easier to dealwith that way. We're stil working on FLV playback for Windows FireAnt. But I don't often see it syndicated probably because of the issues Ishared in a previous post.-JoshOn 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:yep.. google video is not currently intended for true videobloggers. On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no offense taken ;-)now i'll read your latest brain dump. note: i dont like google video. note: i still see the potential of flv in our space. note: i would never encourage any vlogger to only use flv/swf... thats very poor decision.wont reiterate my past babble though ;-) On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash...but Fireant mac... that's IT. AND that's just for starters... The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession...and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it. And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING. Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK! I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages!We're going to rock the world!With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING! 1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE...untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby.It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE. 2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them?Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you.How am I going to comment on these videos...how am I going to quote them... you know about half way in when you do that one thing... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad revene from them? WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can LOOK at them... oh so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely inaccessible for anything other than looking at...heh... you can always screen snap them!Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, right... it's just stuff to look at that's all, right? It's not anything more than just looking, right? I create stuff for people to look at... heh... look at that... look at this.. I looked at that... did you look at that? It's right there on
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Who's to say Google won't provide APIs to do interesting stuff with Google Video the way they've done with other products such as Google Maps? Why wouldn't Google allow you to embed the video in your blog, or post directly to your blog from Google Video? Why wouldn't they have revenue sharing on advertising in and around Google Video for the video creators? Why wouldn't Google Video allow other revenue sharing for other monetizing solutions they add to Google Video (such as the rental service previously speculated)? I think its simply too early to tell. -Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where in any of that is they want you to be able to...- enjoy your videos anywhere other than google- organize your videos- share your videos anywhere other than on google - be able to make money of your videos yourself... or offer you any ways they've come up with to make money of your videosBasically their interface says to me... ME, ME, ME! Screw that. On Dec 23, 2005, at 9:41 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Ha, and the sky is falling too! I'm no fan of Google Video either, but I can see why they do it. They want the experience to be sticky They want advertising impressions They want to track the advertising impressions They want to put ads in and around the videos They want to offer paid access for video viewing There's probably more, but that's just off the top of my head. It is what it is... -Josh On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT.AND that's just for starters...The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it.And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING.Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK!I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING!1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby.It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE.2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... you know about half way in when you do that one thing... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad revene from them? WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can LOOK at them... oh so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely inaccessible for anything other than looking at... heh... you can always screen snap them! Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, right...
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Hi everyone:On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT. YouTube is the same way. Found this out the hard way when I uploaded two videos for DIVB-TV. :( Good thing I still have them on the Hard Drive and can store them elsewhere (like the IA). :) AND that's just for starters...The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it. Again...YouTube is much the same way. You have to jump through hurdles in order to get to the video. RSS wwas not built to handle this.On top of that, YouTube REPRODUCES the video and puts a watermark on their version of it (which is THE ONLY one made available I might add). And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING. The only thing I see it becoming is a STREAMING video host similar to what Lycos had back in 1999 or so. Anyone here remember that? Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK! As is that of YouTube. 1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby.It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE. Google should just go back to being just this. A search engine. 2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? If Google is trying to create their own version of Geocities, they're putting the cart BEFORE the horse. I mean, WHY provide hosting for things like videos if they don't even do the same for simple WEB PAGES?? Closed platforms are BUNK ... they have no future... they're fundamentally inaccessible, have limited usability, no findability or searchability outside of that which is provided, and no flexibility... you get the damn play button and the slide bar because that's what google said you could have bitch ... want a timestamp... screw you... no flash plugin.. screw you... want it on your ipod...screw you... want to put it in a playlist with your other home movies... screw you... want to project it on a damn wall.. screw you... want to quote it.. .screw you... play it at your wedding, barmitzfa, family reunion... just as long as you don't mind playing it in the google web page and have a highspeed connection! ARE YOU ALL FOLLOWING ME?Yeah what Mike said. :) Way to go dude! :) There's this thing... it's called fair use... it's a suggestion that perhaps the creator might not have an idea of every intended use for media in the world... there's this thing called digital rights management... and don't tell me google isn't using digital rights management... you're rights to use that content are completley and totally managed. a duck is a duck no matter what you call it. Again...You can put YouTube in the same can for all the reasons stated above (And probably a few others I haven't even thought of too). ANyway digital management assumes that every concieved usage for content is known... google assumes they know the one possible concieved usage of a video... and that's all you'll ever need people... if you agree... good for you... you know it's your choice... yeah, I'm being condesending here, glad you noticed. Part of Digital Rights Management that companies LOVE to make use of themselves, but ABSOLUTELY HATE IT when WE use it is when to agree and submit and when to just simply walk away. Google have decided you WILL watch the file in their web page in a
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Hi everyone:On 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, and the sky is falling too!I never said it was. I'm no fan of Google Video either, but I can see why they do it. They want the experience to be sticky They want advertising impressions They want to track the advertising impressions They want to put ads in and around the videosThen I think WE ALL should make it LOUD CLEAR that REAL Video Bloggers (Or Podcasters for that matter) will NEVER submit content to their service (or any service like it for THAT matter). They want to offer paid access for video viewingThen they can do it WITHOUT my videos. I'm sure the IA will most assuredly appreciate my continued support patronage. :)Cheers for now Happy Holidays :) Pat Cook[EMAIL PROTECTED] (FEEDBACK EMAIL)Denver, ColoradoPAT'S VIDEO BLOG - http://patsvideoblog.blogspot.com/ DIVB-TV | THE DUMBASS IDIOTS VIDEO BLOG - http://dumbassidiots.blogspot.com/RSS FEEDS ON EACH PAGEPAT'S PODCAST VIDEO BLOG MESSAGE BOARD - http://patspodcast.proboards36.com/SKYPE ME @ patspodcast YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
