Re: [videoblogging] Re: You Tube Anti-Racism Project

2006-11-26 Thread Zenophon Abraham
Again, great point, but what point I thought was
"great" was essentially the need to move to a place
where people don't focus on such differences.  

Big deal, in other words.  

It's interesting that Dogs don't seem to give a damn
about breed, yet are thought of as "less intelligent"
than we.  I'm starting to question that.  

We need to move to a point of outlawing racist
behavior.  Period.  

Z

--- Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hey Nox,
> 
> On 11/26/06, Nox Dineen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/26/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  >
> >  >   There's also alot of things Anthropologists
> wouldn't dare "say"
> >  > because of the political ramifications. (For
> example, Anthropologists
> >  > wouldn't dare use the word "species" in
> describing different people.
> >  >
> >
> >  That's because it would be a wildly inaccurate
> application of the scientific
> >  term "species. Or at least, that's what I learned
> while obtaining a degree
> >  in anthropology with a minor in biology (human
> genetics). I'll probably
> >  start using it during my PhD work next year,
> though, since I'm specialing in
> >  cyborg anthropology, and with cybernetics and
> such you really *are* starting
> >  to move into what could be argued is a leap in
> species.
> >
> >  >   Also, wouldn't dare push the point that
> certain langauges developed
> >  > from Creole languages in certain parts of the
> world... because that
> >  > implies a mixing of different people in the
> past. Etc etc.)
> >  >
> >
> >  Care to cite some sources?
> 
> I can try and give specifics if you're interested in
> the topic.
> 
> I can't remember where I was reading it.  I think it
> may have been our
> a couple different books or papers... and if that's
> the case I'll have
> to do some hunting... but... the particular example
> I was thinking
> about when I wrote that was that of Proto-Germanic.
> 
> There's evidence to suggest that Proto-Germanic was
> a Creole language.
>  And something else I read was arguing that the
> Germanic people's are
> a hybrid of (at least) Celtic people and today what
> we call Iranian
> people.
> 
> There were some other arguments citing similarities
> between the old
> Aryan religion Zoroastrianisms... and Pre-Christian
> Germanic mythology
> 
> (But you say that around some people will have all
> sorts of political fallout.)
> 
> After reading some of that, I was actually wondering
> myself as to
> whether there was a link between the "runes" and the
> ancient Aryan
> wedge writing (that I can't remember the English
> name for right now).
> But I don't know enough about "runes" to really even
> guess on it.
> 
> 
> See ya
> 
> > Every linguistic anthropology class I've ever
> >  taken (and my brother's entire study of Near and
> Middle Eastern history (he
> >  specialized in linguistics). Linguistic
> anthropologists *love* talking about
> >  pidgeon and creole as ways to study migration and
> intermixing of cultures.
> >
> >  No offence, but I'd definitely like to see the
> sources you're basing your
> >  comments on.
> >
> >  Nox
> >
> >  >   I don't think going about this with the
> "scientific" card is going to
> >  > help.
> >  >
> >  > It's what people do that matters. What do they
> do if they are racist?
> >  >
> >  > Do they attack people because of it? If they do
> argue it on a moral point.
> >  >
> >  > See ya
> >  >
> >  > On 11/26/06, Zenophon Abraham
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  > wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > > Hi,
> >  > >
> >  > > I think the bottom line is if we really don't
> want to
> >  > > see others harmed or cause harm to them --
> for
> >  > > whatever silly color or sex reason (there's
> no
> >  > > scientific support for the idea of race
> divisions
> >  > > amoung humans) -- we need to take up vlog
> arms agains
> >  > > the action. We need to be the breakwater.
> Even if we
> >  > > take the draconian step of accusing those who
> are that
> >  > > way of being mentally ill.
> >  > >
> >  > > An approach the American Psyciatric
> Association has
> >  > > discussed and is close to adopting. The claim
> of 40
> >  > > percent of their members is that racism is a
> mental
> >  > > illness.
> >  > >
> >  > > Z
> >  > >
> >  > > --- Gena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >  > wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > > That's part of my problem on trying to find
> video
> >  > > > ways to express the
> >  > > > root causes. It is not just skin, but
> gender, sexual
> >  > > > orientation,
> >  > > > nationality, age, beauty, celebrity
> worship...
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Fox-TV has built its reputation not on true
> >  > > > conservative values but by
> >  > > > pitting 1/2 of the nation against the other
> 1/2 that
> >  > > > does not think,
> >  > > > look or have the same opinions. Define the
> other as
> >  > > > being less than
> >  > > > you are or less loyal and you are working
> the
> >  > > > "isms".
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Rush has made $$$ by

Re: [videoblogging] Re: You Tube Anti-Racism Project

2006-11-26 Thread Zenophon Abraham
Great point!  I stand corrected!

Z

--- Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I know this probably doesn't help your argument,
> but... there IS
> actually genetic evidence for "race" (or whatever
> you want to call
> it).  It's just that they don't necessarily fall
> along the lines
> people are drawing up.
> 
> Alot of the lines people seem to draw up seem to be
> based on
> politics... instead of genetics.  And there's alot
> more interbreeding
> and mixing going on than most people probably
> realize.  And it's been
> going on for quite a while.  (Take a look at some of
> the studies using
> mitochondrial dna.)
> 
> Also, even though some of the divisions are
> supported by the genetic
> data,... some of the people's others tend to group
> into one "race"
> aren't one "race" according to the genetic data...
> but are essentially
> different groups.
> 
> There's also alot of things Anthropologists wouldn't
> dare "say"
> because of the political ramifications.  (For
> example, Anthropologists
> wouldn't dare use the word "species" in describing
> different people.
> Also, wouldn't dare push the point that certain
> langauges developed
> from Creole languages in certain parts of the
> world... because that
> implies a mixing of different people in the past. 
> Etc etc.)
> 
> 
> I don't think going about this with the "scientific"
> card is going to help.
> 
> 
> It's what people do that matters.  What do they do
> if they are racist?
> 
> Do they attack people because of it?  If they do
> argue it on a moral point.
> 
> 
> See ya
> 
> On 11/26/06, Zenophon Abraham
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >  I think the bottom line is if we really don't
> want to
> >  see others harmed or cause harm to them -- for
> >  whatever silly color or sex reason (there's no
> >  scientific support for the idea of race divisions
> >  amoung humans) -- we need to take up vlog arms
> agains
> >  the action.  We need to be the breakwater.  Even
> if we
> >  take the draconian step of accusing those who are
> that
> >  way of being mentally ill.
> >
> >  An approach the American Psyciatric Association
> has
> >  discussed and is close to adopting.  The claim of
> 40
> >  percent of their members is that racism is a
> mental
> >  illness.
> >
> >  Z
> >
> >  --- Gena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  > That's part of my problem on trying to find
> video
> >  > ways to express the
> >  > root causes. It is not just skin, but gender,
> sexual
> >  > orientation,
> >  > nationality, age, beauty, celebrity worship...
> >  >
> >  > Fox-TV has built its reputation not on true
> >  > conservative values but by
> >  > pitting 1/2 of the nation against the other 1/2
> that
> >  > does not think,
> >  > look or have the same opinions. Define the
> other as
> >  > being less than
> >  > you are or less loyal and you are working the
> >  > "isms".
> >  >
> >  > Rush has made $$$ by having so-called humor
> and
> >  > commentary at the
> >  > expense of Latinos, Asians and
> African-Americans.
> >  >
> >  > I am not for censorship. Hate it. But look at
> the
> >  > body of his work and
> >  > tell me that a certain level of society
> permission
> >  > was given to think
> >  > and feel that way.
> >  >
> >  > Michael Richards did not blow up in isolation.
> The
> >  > Rev that fought gay
> >  > marriage only to be found humping his way to
> heaven
> >  > with a male hooker
> >  > with side order of meth did not live in
> isolation.
> >  > Foley, Gibson, and
> >  > a bunch more.
> >  >
> >  > I got the question but I don't want to fire up
> this
> >  > group in that
> >  > direction. Not my point. I got other questions
> that
> >  > are harder to
> >  > videotape - if there is (and there is) systemic
> >  > "isms" embeded in our
> >  > culture how do you show that to people?
> >  >
> >  > Heck of a week.
> >  > Be careful out there,
> >  >
> >  > Gena
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Zenophon
> >  > Abraham
> >  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > > I guess, for me, it boils down to
> communicating
> >  > this
> >  > > question:
> >  > >
> >  > > "Would you say something to hurt a person's
> >  > feelings
> >  > > just because your skin is different than
> there
> >  > own?
> >  > > If your answer is yes, then America has a
> >  > problem..."
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > That's how I'd start a vlog.  And it's
> because the
> >  > > bottom line is that some think they have the
> right
> >  > to
> >  > > hurt the feeling of others for no good
> reason.
> >  > None.
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > It's getting bad.  The NYPD just shot a Black
> man
> >  > > unarmed 50 times -- no explaination.  It's as
> if
> >  > we're
> >  > > animals.  And that's the point, those of us
> who
> >  > are
> >  > > not animals must take action to curb those
> who
> >  > are.
> >  > >
> >  > > Z
> >  > >
> >  > > --- Gena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > > > Very interestin

Re: [videoblogging] Re: You Tube Anti-Racism Project

2006-11-26 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hey Nox,

On 11/26/06, Nox Dineen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 11/26/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  >   There's also alot of things Anthropologists wouldn't dare "say"
>  > because of the political ramifications. (For example, Anthropologists
>  > wouldn't dare use the word "species" in describing different people.
>  >
>
>  That's because it would be a wildly inaccurate application of the scientific
>  term "species. Or at least, that's what I learned while obtaining a degree
>  in anthropology with a minor in biology (human genetics). I'll probably
>  start using it during my PhD work next year, though, since I'm specialing in
>  cyborg anthropology, and with cybernetics and such you really *are* starting
>  to move into what could be argued is a leap in species.
>
>  >   Also, wouldn't dare push the point that certain langauges developed
>  > from Creole languages in certain parts of the world... because that
>  > implies a mixing of different people in the past. Etc etc.)
>  >
>
>  Care to cite some sources?

I can try and give specifics if you're interested in the topic.

I can't remember where I was reading it.  I think it may have been our
a couple different books or papers... and if that's the case I'll have
to do some hunting... but... the particular example I was thinking
about when I wrote that was that of Proto-Germanic.

There's evidence to suggest that Proto-Germanic was a Creole language.
 And something else I read was arguing that the Germanic people's are
a hybrid of (at least) Celtic people and today what we call Iranian
people.

There were some other arguments citing similarities between the old
Aryan religion Zoroastrianisms... and Pre-Christian Germanic mythology

(But you say that around some people will have all sorts of political fallout.)

After reading some of that, I was actually wondering myself as to
whether there was a link between the "runes" and the ancient Aryan
wedge writing (that I can't remember the English name for right now).
But I don't know enough about "runes" to really even guess on it.


See ya

> Every linguistic anthropology class I've ever
>  taken (and my brother's entire study of Near and Middle Eastern history (he
>  specialized in linguistics). Linguistic anthropologists *love* talking about
>  pidgeon and creole as ways to study migration and intermixing of cultures.
>
>  No offence, but I'd definitely like to see the sources you're basing your
>  comments on.
>
>  Nox
>
>  >   I don't think going about this with the "scientific" card is going to
>  > help.
>  >
>  > It's what people do that matters. What do they do if they are racist?
>  >
>  > Do they attack people because of it? If they do argue it on a moral point.
>  >
>  > See ya
>  >
>  > On 11/26/06, Zenophon Abraham <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>
>  > wrote:
>  > >
>  > > Hi,
>  > >
>  > > I think the bottom line is if we really don't want to
>  > > see others harmed or cause harm to them -- for
>  > > whatever silly color or sex reason (there's no
>  > > scientific support for the idea of race divisions
>  > > amoung humans) -- we need to take up vlog arms agains
>  > > the action. We need to be the breakwater. Even if we
>  > > take the draconian step of accusing those who are that
>  > > way of being mentally ill.
>  > >
>  > > An approach the American Psyciatric Association has
>  > > discussed and is close to adopting. The claim of 40
>  > > percent of their members is that racism is a mental
>  > > illness.
>  > >
>  > > Z
>  > >
>  > > --- Gena <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
>
>  > wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > > That's part of my problem on trying to find video
>  > > > ways to express the
>  > > > root causes. It is not just skin, but gender, sexual
>  > > > orientation,
>  > > > nationality, age, beauty, celebrity worship...
>  > > >
>  > > > Fox-TV has built its reputation not on true
>  > > > conservative values but by
>  > > > pitting 1/2 of the nation against the other 1/2 that
>  > > > does not think,
>  > > > look or have the same opinions. Define the other as
>  > > > being less than
>  > > > you are or less loyal and you are working the
>  > > > "isms".
>  > > >
>  > > > Rush has made $$$ by having so-called humor and
>  > > > commentary at the
>  > > > expense of Latinos, Asians and African-Americans.
>  > > >
>  > > > I am not for censorship. Hate it. But look at the
>  > > > body of his work and
>  > > > tell me that a certain level of society permission
>  > > > was given to think
>  > > > and feel that way.
>  > > >
>  > > > Michael Richards did not blow up in isolation. The
>  > > > Rev that fought gay
>  > > > marriage only to be found humping his way to heaven
>  > > > with a male hooker
>  > > > with side order of meth did not live in isolation.
>  > > > Foley, Gibson, and
>  > > > a bunch more.
>  > > >
>  > > > I got the question but I don't want to fire up this
>  > > > group in that
>  > > > direction. Not my point. I got other questions that
>  

Re: [videoblogging] Re: You Tube Anti-Racism Project

2006-11-26 Thread Nox Dineen
On 11/26/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   There's also alot of things Anthropologists wouldn't dare "say"
> because of the political ramifications. (For example, Anthropologists
> wouldn't dare use the word "species" in describing different people.
>

That's because it would be a wildly inaccurate application of the scientific
term "species. Or at least, that's what I learned while obtaining a degree
in anthropology with a minor in biology (human genetics). I'll probably
start using it during my PhD work next year, though, since I'm specialing in
cyborg anthropology, and with cybernetics and such you really *are* starting
to move into what could be argued is a leap in species.



>   Also, wouldn't dare push the point that certain langauges developed
> from Creole languages in certain parts of the world... because that
> implies a mixing of different people in the past. Etc etc.)
>

Care to cite some sources? Every linguistic anthropology class I've ever
taken (and my brother's entire study of Near and Middle Eastern history (he
specialized in linguistics). Linguistic anthropologists *love* talking about
pidgeon and creole as ways to study migration and intermixing of cultures.

No offence, but I'd definitely like to see the sources you're basing your
comments on.

Nox




>   I don't think going about this with the "scientific" card is going to
> help.
>
> It's what people do that matters. What do they do if they are racist?
>
> Do they attack people because of it? If they do argue it on a moral point.
>
> See ya
>
> On 11/26/06, Zenophon Abraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think the bottom line is if we really don't want to
> > see others harmed or cause harm to them -- for
> > whatever silly color or sex reason (there's no
> > scientific support for the idea of race divisions
> > amoung humans) -- we need to take up vlog arms agains
> > the action. We need to be the breakwater. Even if we
> > take the draconian step of accusing those who are that
> > way of being mentally ill.
> >
> > An approach the American Psyciatric Association has
> > discussed and is close to adopting. The claim of 40
> > percent of their members is that racism is a mental
> > illness.
> >
> > Z
> >
> > --- Gena <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > That's part of my problem on trying to find video
> > > ways to express the
> > > root causes. It is not just skin, but gender, sexual
> > > orientation,
> > > nationality, age, beauty, celebrity worship...
> > >
> > > Fox-TV has built its reputation not on true
> > > conservative values but by
> > > pitting 1/2 of the nation against the other 1/2 that
> > > does not think,
> > > look or have the same opinions. Define the other as
> > > being less than
> > > you are or less loyal and you are working the
> > > "isms".
> > >
> > > Rush has made $$$ by having so-called humor and
> > > commentary at the
> > > expense of Latinos, Asians and African-Americans.
> > >
> > > I am not for censorship. Hate it. But look at the
> > > body of his work and
> > > tell me that a certain level of society permission
> > > was given to think
> > > and feel that way.
> > >
> > > Michael Richards did not blow up in isolation. The
> > > Rev that fought gay
> > > marriage only to be found humping his way to heaven
> > > with a male hooker
> > > with side order of meth did not live in isolation.
> > > Foley, Gibson, and
> > > a bunch more.
> > >
> > > I got the question but I don't want to fire up this
> > > group in that
> > > direction. Not my point. I got other questions that
> > > are harder to
> > > videotape - if there is (and there is) systemic
> > > "isms" embeded in our
> > > culture how do you show that to people?
> > >
> > > Heck of a week.
> > > Be careful out there,
> > >
> > > Gena
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> Zenophon
> > > Abraham
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I guess, for me, it boils down to communicating
> > > this
> > > > question:
> > > >
> > > > "Would you say something to hurt a person's
> > > feelings
> > > > just because your skin is different than there
> > > own?
> > > > If your answer is yes, then America has a
> > > problem..."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's how I'd start a vlog. And it's because the
> > > > bottom line is that some think they have the right
> > > to
> > > > hurt the feeling of others for no good reason.
> > > None.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's getting bad. The NYPD just shot a Black man
> > > > unarmed 50 times -- no explaination. It's as if
> > > we're
> > > > animals. And that's the point, those of us who
> > > are
> > > > not animals must take action to curb those who
> > > are.
> > > >
> > > > Z
> > > >
> > > > --- Gena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Very interesting. YT'ers doing a collective
> > > mash-up
> > > > > for a cause. They
> > > > > are coming along. Very positive.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have feelings about it - gonna have to f

Re: [videoblogging] Re: You Tube Anti-Racism Project

2006-11-26 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello,

I know this probably doesn't help your argument, but... there IS
actually genetic evidence for "race" (or whatever you want to call
it).  It's just that they don't necessarily fall along the lines
people are drawing up.

Alot of the lines people seem to draw up seem to be based on
politics... instead of genetics.  And there's alot more interbreeding
and mixing going on than most people probably realize.  And it's been
going on for quite a while.  (Take a look at some of the studies using
mitochondrial dna.)

Also, even though some of the divisions are supported by the genetic
data,... some of the people's others tend to group into one "race"
aren't one "race" according to the genetic data... but are essentially
different groups.

There's also alot of things Anthropologists wouldn't dare "say"
because of the political ramifications.  (For example, Anthropologists
wouldn't dare use the word "species" in describing different people.
Also, wouldn't dare push the point that certain langauges developed
from Creole languages in certain parts of the world... because that
implies a mixing of different people in the past.  Etc etc.)


I don't think going about this with the "scientific" card is going to help.


It's what people do that matters.  What do they do if they are racist?

Do they attack people because of it?  If they do argue it on a moral point.


See ya

On 11/26/06, Zenophon Abraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>  I think the bottom line is if we really don't want to
>  see others harmed or cause harm to them -- for
>  whatever silly color or sex reason (there's no
>  scientific support for the idea of race divisions
>  amoung humans) -- we need to take up vlog arms agains
>  the action.  We need to be the breakwater.  Even if we
>  take the draconian step of accusing those who are that
>  way of being mentally ill.
>
>  An approach the American Psyciatric Association has
>  discussed and is close to adopting.  The claim of 40
>  percent of their members is that racism is a mental
>  illness.
>
>  Z
>
>  --- Gena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>  > That's part of my problem on trying to find video
>  > ways to express the
>  > root causes. It is not just skin, but gender, sexual
>  > orientation,
>  > nationality, age, beauty, celebrity worship...
>  >
>  > Fox-TV has built its reputation not on true
>  > conservative values but by
>  > pitting 1/2 of the nation against the other 1/2 that
>  > does not think,
>  > look or have the same opinions. Define the other as
>  > being less than
>  > you are or less loyal and you are working the
>  > "isms".
>  >
>  > Rush has made $$$ by having so-called humor and
>  > commentary at the
>  > expense of Latinos, Asians and African-Americans.
>  >
>  > I am not for censorship. Hate it. But look at the
>  > body of his work and
>  > tell me that a certain level of society permission
>  > was given to think
>  > and feel that way.
>  >
>  > Michael Richards did not blow up in isolation. The
>  > Rev that fought gay
>  > marriage only to be found humping his way to heaven
>  > with a male hooker
>  > with side order of meth did not live in isolation.
>  > Foley, Gibson, and
>  > a bunch more.
>  >
>  > I got the question but I don't want to fire up this
>  > group in that
>  > direction. Not my point. I got other questions that
>  > are harder to
>  > videotape - if there is (and there is) systemic
>  > "isms" embeded in our
>  > culture how do you show that to people?
>  >
>  > Heck of a week.
>  > Be careful out there,
>  >
>  > Gena
>  >
>  >
>  > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Zenophon
>  > Abraham
>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >
>  > > I guess, for me, it boils down to communicating
>  > this
>  > > question:
>  > >
>  > > "Would you say something to hurt a person's
>  > feelings
>  > > just because your skin is different than there
>  > own?
>  > > If your answer is yes, then America has a
>  > problem..."
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > That's how I'd start a vlog.  And it's because the
>  > > bottom line is that some think they have the right
>  > to
>  > > hurt the feeling of others for no good reason.
>  > None.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > It's getting bad.  The NYPD just shot a Black man
>  > > unarmed 50 times -- no explaination.  It's as if
>  > we're
>  > > animals.  And that's the point, those of us who
>  > are
>  > > not animals must take action to curb those who
>  > are.
>  > >
>  > > Z
>  > >
>  > > --- Gena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >
>  > > > Very interesting. YT'ers doing a collective
>  > mash-up
>  > > > for a cause. They
>  > > > are coming along. Very positive.
>  > > >
>  > > > I have feelings about it - gonna have to find a
>  > way
>  > > > to vlog about it.
>  > > > It is one thing to say you are against the
>  > "isms" or
>  > > > that people
>  > > > should be conscious of what the say and write in
>  > > > public.
>  > > >
>  > > > But that is not what the "isms" is - those are
>  > just
>  > > > the symptoms.
>

Re: [videoblogging] Re: You Tube Anti-Racism Project

2006-11-26 Thread Zenophon Abraham
Hi,

I think the bottom line is if we really don't want to
see others harmed or cause harm to them -- for
whatever silly color or sex reason (there's no
scientific support for the idea of race divisions
amoung humans) -- we need to take up vlog arms agains
the action.  We need to be the breakwater.  Even if we
take the draconian step of accusing those who are that
way of being mentally ill.  

An approach the American Psyciatric Association has
discussed and is close to adopting.  The claim of 40
percent of their members is that racism is a mental
illness. 

Z

--- Gena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That's part of my problem on trying to find video
> ways to express the
> root causes. It is not just skin, but gender, sexual
> orientation,
> nationality, age, beauty, celebrity worship...
> 
> Fox-TV has built its reputation not on true
> conservative values but by
> pitting 1/2 of the nation against the other 1/2 that
> does not think,
> look or have the same opinions. Define the other as
> being less than
> you are or less loyal and you are working the
> "isms".
> 
> Rush has made $$$ by having so-called humor and
> commentary at the
> expense of Latinos, Asians and African-Americans. 
> 
> I am not for censorship. Hate it. But look at the
> body of his work and
> tell me that a certain level of society permission
> was given to think
> and feel that way.
> 
> Michael Richards did not blow up in isolation. The
> Rev that fought gay
> marriage only to be found humping his way to heaven
> with a male hooker
> with side order of meth did not live in isolation. 
> Foley, Gibson, and
> a bunch more. 
> 
> I got the question but I don't want to fire up this
> group in that
> direction. Not my point. I got other questions that
> are harder to
> videotape - if there is (and there is) systemic
> "isms" embeded in our
> culture how do you show that to people?
> 
> Heck of a week.
> Be careful out there,
> 
> Gena
>  
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Zenophon
> Abraham
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I guess, for me, it boils down to communicating
> this
> > question:
> > 
> > "Would you say something to hurt a person's
> feelings
> > just because your skin is different than there
> own?  
> > If your answer is yes, then America has a
> problem..." 
> > 
> > 
> > That's how I'd start a vlog.  And it's because the
> > bottom line is that some think they have the right
> to
> > hurt the feeling of others for no good reason. 
> None. 
> > 
> > 
> > It's getting bad.  The NYPD just shot a Black man
> > unarmed 50 times -- no explaination.  It's as if
> we're
> > animals.  And that's the point, those of us who
> are
> > not animals must take action to curb those who
> are.  
> > 
> > Z
> > 
> > --- Gena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Very interesting. YT'ers doing a collective
> mash-up
> > > for a cause. They
> > > are coming along. Very positive.
> > > 
> > > I have feelings about it - gonna have to find a
> way
> > > to vlog about it.
> > > It is one thing to say you are against the
> "isms" or
> > > that people
> > > should be conscious of what the say and write in
> > > public.
> > > 
> > > But that is not what the "isms" is - those are
> just
> > > the symptoms. 
> > > 
> > > What is needed is a video that gets at the rage
> and
> > > anger. For that
> > > you need to be able to say the words and hear
> the
> > > responses. That is
> > > harder to do. Risky. Not safe. Can shatter
> illusions
> > > on both sides.
> > > 
> > > Going beyond the surface,
> > > 
> > > Gena
> > > http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com
> > > http://pcclibtech.blogspot.com
> > > http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "thisiswar3005"
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just saw a video which was made as part of
> > > YouTube's "Anti-Racism"
> > > project.  I think all of 
> > > > us should make some contribution to this
> effort,
> > > or if you run a
> > > video distribution company 
> > > > like Grouper, Blip.tv, etc., start your own
> > > version of the YouTube
> > > initiative.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm personally saddened over the words of hate
> > > that some have
> > > written in response to clips of 
> > > > the recent Michael Richards rant.  
> > > > 
> > > > We have to do something to counter what seems
> to
> > > be a small movement
> > > toward, not away 
> > > > from, racism.  
> > > > 
> > > > See:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mB3pDYTne0
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >
>

> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail
> beta.
> > http://new.mail.yahoo.com
> >
> 
> 
> 



 

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: You Tube Anti-Racism Project

2006-11-26 Thread Zenophon Abraham
I guess, for me, it boils down to communicating this
question:

"Would you say something to hurt a person's feelings
just because your skin is different than there own?  
If your answer is yes, then America has a problem..." 


That's how I'd start a vlog.  And it's because the
bottom line is that some think they have the right to
hurt the feeling of others for no good reason.  None. 


It's getting bad.  The NYPD just shot a Black man
unarmed 50 times -- no explaination.  It's as if we're
animals.  And that's the point, those of us who are
not animals must take action to curb those who are.  

Z

--- Gena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Very interesting. YT'ers doing a collective mash-up
> for a cause. They
> are coming along. Very positive.
> 
> I have feelings about it - gonna have to find a way
> to vlog about it.
> It is one thing to say you are against the "isms" or
> that people
> should be conscious of what the say and write in
> public.
> 
> But that is not what the "isms" is - those are just
> the symptoms. 
> 
> What is needed is a video that gets at the rage and
> anger. For that
> you need to be able to say the words and hear the
> responses. That is
> harder to do. Risky. Not safe. Can shatter illusions
> on both sides.
> 
> Going beyond the surface,
> 
> Gena
> http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com
> http://pcclibtech.blogspot.com
> http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video
> 
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com,
> "thisiswar3005"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I just saw a video which was made as part of
> YouTube's "Anti-Racism"
> project.  I think all of 
> > us should make some contribution to this effort,
> or if you run a
> video distribution company 
> > like Grouper, Blip.tv, etc., start your own
> version of the YouTube
> initiative.
> > 
> > I'm personally saddened over the words of hate
> that some have
> written in response to clips of 
> > the recent Michael Richards rant.  
> > 
> > We have to do something to counter what seems to
> be a small movement
> toward, not away 
> > from, racism.  
> > 
> > See:
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mB3pDYTne0
> > 
> > Thanks!
> >
> 
> 
> 



 

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