Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - WTF?
On 11/8/05, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well flash, of course. The advantage of flash video is that it'sprobably the most compatible format there is for Internet viewing.Of course the disadvantage is that it's not easy to create a flashvideo, Sorenson Squeeze does it very nicely and easily, costs $99. You can choose your bitrate, and independently set audio bitrate and window size. I change the settings depending on what's in the video (and how important the audio is) to optimize filesize while trying not to compromise the viewer experience. and it's not easy to download, No more difficult than any other file, if the poster provides download links. On my pages, you can easily view source code and see where to download it. Plus Josh just did some Greasemonkey stuff that will grab it all. and it's not compatible withany portable player (at least the popular ones) and aggregators cannot easily pick it up. FireAnt downloads and displays my Flash videos from my (Feedburner) RSS feed just fine, many other feedreaders also seem to. My one feed includes both SWF and M4V enclosures for most items. iTunes only picks up the M4Vs, others are variable for no apparent reason (but I haven't tested many). -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - WTF?
On 11/8/05, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you couldn't replicate the user base, the social part of it in aweek or two...More and more it's about the social network of yourapp/site, which is both good and bad at the same time... Very true. At what point do we all belong to more networks than we can possibly dedicate any time to? It's beginning to look like too many Web 2.0 businesses chasing not enough attention span.-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - WTF?
Speaking of Sorenson Squeeze there's also Discreet Cleaner and Cleaner XL. Actually I guess it's Autodesk Cleaner now since the acquistion but whatever. I'm not sure what Cleaner costs - Cleaner XL is a bit more expensive than $99. But just pointing it out as another industry standard compression and media conversion tool. And for MPEG there's TMPGEnc which has gotten quite good reviews over on DV-L although it's known for being a bit fussy/verbose as far as the options and settings it offers. But then again if you're anal about compression then that's a good thing, right? -m On 11/9/05, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/8/05, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well flash, of course. The advantage of flash video is that it'sprobably the most compatible format there is for Internet viewing.Of course the disadvantage is that it's not easy to create a flashvideo, Sorenson Squeeze does it very nicely and easily, costs $99. You can choose your bitrate, and independently set audio bitrate and window size. I change the settings depending on what's in the video (and how important the audio is) to optimize filesize while trying not to compromise the viewer experience. -- -mhttp://www.secretelite.com/michael SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - WTF?
Well, let's also try not to over-emphasize this space.It is not the responsibility of every new start-up to FULLY adhere to the demands and wishes of the blogging community. There are many, if not more, regular people who want to share video but have little interest in blogging... or at least the geekery of blogging. Yes, YOUTube embedded themselves here to promote their service. Every video service will try to communicate to this groups 2000 members or whatever it is now. Some will be Right On like blip.tv, others will be Way Off and still others will hover in the middle. The fact that YOUTube received this funding has more to do with their design and features and the fact that we are in the midst of a huge Internet Video BOOM where videoblogging is one part of this boom for me, it's the part that truly matters the most, but that does not lessen the impact of the general ease of distributing/hosting vid clips. Let's also keep in mind, as Peter touched on, that video can often receive mass attention if it becomes viral and contagious. Thousands or even millions of people will participate in spreading worthy video clips and try to create video clips that can garner such awesome attention on the Internet. How long have people been forwarding video clip links via email? Years! It's a cultural thing.People want other people to see and hear stuff that they find . interesting or funny or whatever. Now, this has evolved a bit and in addition to forwarding video links via email, there are web services to help do that in addition to hosting, transcoding etcetera etcetera. My interest is in videoblogging, obviously. But this does not make me blind to the bigger picture of what is going on with Digital Video + Internet + Broadband + Cheap Cameras.sull On 11/8/05, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain YouTube to me?I don't get what people like about this service.They have crappy transcoding, they brand your videos with their logo, they try to lock you into their website, you can't syndicate your videos via rss, and they still haven't changed their crazy terms of use where you basically give your work away to them. Can someone who uses this service explain what they like about it? Do you not care about these points that I bring up?Why not use another free alternative like Ourmedia or Blip? I don't get it.It's free hosting. That's pretty much it: *any* free video hosting service will attract users (coz it's free! It's videos!) Theirbusinessmodel isn't bloggers, it's funny viral videos. I rantedabout this here: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/archives/2005/11/06/2905/The fact that they got funded just points to the fact that most VC'sreally don't get this space.Blip is different, their business model is supoorting bloggers with video. It'll take longer but they'll be more successful.Peter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - WTF?
oh, and of course, let's not forget that the Audience is larger than the pool of Content Creators.VC's know this. These are the people that they are interested in, afterall so advertisers can 'reach' them as the attention moves from TV to Internet Video... not to mention the millions of workers who sit in front of computers all day. business is business.sullOn 11/8/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, let's also try not to over-emphasize this space.It is not the responsibility of every new start-up to FULLY adhere to the demands and wishes of the blogging community. There are many, if not more, regular people who want to share video but have little interest in blogging... or at least the geekery of blogging. Yes, YOUTube embedded themselves here to promote their service. Every video service will try to communicate to this groups 2000 members or whatever it is now. Some will be Right On like blip.tv, others will be Way Off and still others will hover in the middle. The fact that YOUTube received this funding has more to do with their design and features and the fact that we are in the midst of a huge Internet Video BOOM where videoblogging is one part of this boom for me, it's the part that truly matters the most, but that does not lessen the impact of the general ease of distributing/hosting vid clips. Let's also keep in mind, as Peter touched on, that video can often receive mass attention if it becomes viral and contagious. Thousands or even millions of people will participate in spreading worthy video clips and try to create video clips that can garner such awesome attention on the Internet. How long have people been forwarding video clip links via email? Years! It's a cultural thing.People want other people to see and hear stuff that they find . interesting or funny or whatever. Now, this has evolved a bit and in addition to forwarding video links via email, there are web services to help do that in addition to hosting, transcoding etcetera etcetera. My interest is in videoblogging, obviously. But this does not make me blind to the bigger picture of what is going on with Digital Video + Internet + Broadband + Cheap Cameras.sull On 11/8/05, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain YouTube to me?I don't get what people like about this service.They have crappy transcoding, they brand your videos with their logo, they try to lock you into their website, you can't syndicate your videos via rss, and they still haven't changed their crazy terms of use where you basically give your work away to them. Can someone who uses this service explain what they like about it? Do you not care about these points that I bring up?Why not use another free alternative like Ourmedia or Blip? I don't get it.It's free hosting. That's pretty much it: *any* free video hosting service will attract users (coz it's free! It's videos!) Theirbusinessmodel isn't bloggers, it's funny viral videos. I rantedabout this here: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/archives/2005/11/06/2905/The fact that they got funded just points to the fact that most VC'sreally don't get this space.Blip is different, their business model is supoorting bloggers with video. It'll take longer but they'll be more successful.Peter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - WTF?
Right.My points are not saying that VC's have no interest in videoblogging. They do. Investors are tapping into it.There is potentially a huge market space for content creators and services that cater to them. It takes deeper understandings and analysis than the simpler viral video services, but we all know vlogging is legit and nothing can stop the momentum. It is so on, getting bigger every day. Not a fad. sull On 11/8/05, Brad Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but VCs also realize that compelling content makes for moreadvertising stickiness.. that's the problem, though, trying to balancereaching out to the people making the really cool content with makingthe site accessable, simple and easy enough for Mom to upload her cooking examples or FratGuy uploading the viral videos.(Footnote: I'm biased, I built and maintain a competitor to YouTube --vSocial -- so take that into consideration with anything I say on this matter)Michael Sullivan wrote: oh, and of course, let's not forget that the Audience is larger than the pool of Content Creators. VC's know this.These are the people that they are interested in, afterall so advertisers can 'reach' them as the attention moves from TV to Internet Video... not to mention the millions of workers who sit in front of computers all day. business is business. sull On 11/8/05, *Michael Sullivan* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, let's also try not to over-emphasize this space. It is not the responsibility of every new start-up to FULLY adhere to the demands and wishes of the blogging community. There are many, if not more, regular people whowant to share video but have little interest in blogging... or at least the geekery of blogging. Yes, YOUTube embedded themselves here to promote their service. Every video service will try to communicate to this groups 2000 members or whatever it is now.Some will be Right On like blip.tv http://blip.tv, others will be Way Off and still others will hover in the middle. The fact that YOUTube received this funding has more to do with their design and features and the fact that we are in the midst of a huge Internet Video BOOM where videoblogging is one part of this boom for me, it's the part that truly matters the most, but that does notlessen the impact of the general ease of distributing/hosting vid clips. Let's also keep in mind, as Peter touched on, that video can often receive mass attention if it becomes viral and contagious. Thousands or even millions of people will participate in spreading worthy video clips and try to create video clips that can garner such awesome attention on the Internet. How long have people been forwarding video clip links via email? Years!It's a cultural thing. People want other people to see and hear stuff that they find . interesting or funny or whatever.Now, this has evolved a bit and in addition to forwarding video links via email, there are web services to help do that in addition to hosting, transcoding etcetera etcetera. My interest is in videoblogging, obviously.But this does not make me blind to the bigger picture of what is going on with Digital Video + Internet + Broadband + Cheap Cameras. sull On 11/8/05, *petertheman* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain YouTube to me?I don't get what people like about this service.They have crappy transcoding, they brand your videos with their logo, they try to lock you into their website, you can't syndicate your videos via rss, and they still haven't changed their crazy terms of use where you basically give your work away to them. Can someone who uses this service explain what they like about it? Do you not care about these points that I bring up?Why not use another free alternative like Ourmedia or Blip? I don't get it. It's free hosting. That's pretty much it: *any* free video hosting service will attract users (coz it's free! It's videos!) Their businessmodel isn't bloggers, it's funny viral videos. I ranted about this here: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/archives/2005/11/06/2905/ The fact that they got funded just points to the fact that most VC's really don't get this space. Blip is different, their business model is supoorting bloggers with video. It'll take longer but they'll be more successful. Peter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog--Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC51
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - WTF?
Because it works, works fast, and users are generally willing to sacrifice quality and freedom for just working... look at the threads over the past months about ourmedia/archive crapping out, average ADHD-level user just isn't going accept that as a solution. They also remove the what version of plugin XYZ am I running headache, which for people who actually follow these things and care isn't an issue, but I'm not going to (and can't) assume my mom has QT7 installed, and tell her well just go get it.. that's NOT a good user experience, IMO. That being said, users DO need to be educated about aggregation, but that's a battle that's *still* being fought on the text-blog level. Waiting 5 minutes for a 2 minute clip is an excrutiating experience for an average user, and one that needs to be rectified. Verdi wrote: On Nov 8, 2005, at 8:13 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: oh, and of course, let's not forget that the Audience is larger than the pool of Content Creators. VC's know this. These are the people that they are interested in, afterall I get that. But why do users like the service? Is it just because it's been inexplicably written up in places like Slashdot and BoingBoing? It's just hype. This is what bugs the shit out of me. Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://graymattergravy.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - WTF?
Good thoughts, Bill.There are many free and cheap flv encoders out there that maybe are worthy of review if it makes more sense to encode yourself opposed to using web services.One that I have tried for Windows is Riva, http://www.rivavx.comhttp://www.rivavx.com/index.php?encoderL=3sull On 11/8/05, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm experimenting with them, and here is how I think I can best usethem, baring the fact that they change their business model.I invariably get complaints that people don't have or want or can'tget a current version of QuickTime to view my videos. So I've been looking for a solution to make my stuff more accessible whileretaining QT as my main distribution format. I've tried encodingmp4s without the QuickTime wrapper but doing that loses theadvantage of QuickTime has to download and play at the same time. So what to do? I had thought of maybe setting up another blog withalternative formats on it and a separate RSS feed, but that seemstoo complicated. So what other solutions are there?Well flash, of course. The advantage of flash video is that it's probably the most compatible format there is for Internet viewing.Of course the disadvantage is that it's not easy to create a flashvideo, and it's not easy to download, and it's not compatible withany portable player (at least the popular ones) and aggregators cannot easily pick it up. But it is good for displaying video on aweb page that can be read by a high number of users because it hassuch a large install base.So here is the solution that I'm tinkering with. And this is not my final idea about this, but it's an idea I'm experimenting with.YouTube encodes everything in Flash, and they allow you to easilyembed clips into your page by cutting and pasting a bit of code. Sowhat I am doing is making the YouTube stuff as a kind of the playable thumbnails for my vlog posts and offering a high bit rateencoded QuickTime file for download and for my feed subscribers inthe same post. I think it should work because I think flash video isignored by feedburner as an enclosure if you set your feed to ignore everything but video files—this may not be the case with all serversbut it seems to be the case on the one I'm using. The advantagebeing that I can service my feed subscribers with a good qualityipod compatible QT file and casual browsers of the site or the QuickTime disabled can get the instant gratification of Flash video.Now the only drawbacks to this that I can see is that all mythumbnails are branded with the YouTube logo. And the Quality of theencoding by YouTube. And the possibility that YouTube might change it's business model and screw the entire system up.I can deal with the logo for now, and the low bitrate encoding. It'san worthy trade off for me to provide those on slower connectionsaccess to my work. But the possibility that YouTube might start embedding ads into my work, or charging for their service are thingsI expect to have to deal with at some point. I may end up justcreating the flash movies myself. But for now YouTube is a bit moreconvenient than that. So that's my answer to how I use YouTube. I don't love it but I findit useful for the time being.Bill StreeterLO-FI SAINT LOUISwww.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YouTube Receives $3.5M in Funding From Sequoia Capital http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=100442 Can someone explain YouTube to me?I don't get what people like about this service.They have crappy transcoding, they brand your videos with their logo, they try to lock you into their website,you can't syndicate your videos via rss, and they still haven'tchanged their crazy terms of use where you basically give your work away to them. Can someone who uses this service explain what they like aboutit? Do you not care about these points that I bring up?Why not use another free alternative like Ourmedia or Blip? I don't get it. Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://graymattergravy.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life.http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - WTF?
Joshua Kinberg wrote: On 11/8/05, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Kinberg wrote: The thing that I really don't understand about thee sites receiving funding is that the barrier to entry for competition is so slim. It wouldn't be too difficult for a developer to replicate YouTube or Revver in a matter of a week or two. But you couldn't replicate the user base, the social part of it in a week or two... More and more it's about the social network of your app/site, which is both good and bad at the same time... I think its too early for any of these services to claim they've capitalized on the social network. Friendster thought they had that wrapped up and then Myspace ate them for lunch. I'm not suggesting that any service has wrapped up the social network part of it, but once you get the ball rolling, your user base can quickly grow, and unless new services come along that are compelling enough to get you to switch, perhaps with more/better features what's to entice people away? del.icio.us got big and then the competitors came. They tended to offer neat new features del.icio.us did not have, but to me, a geek, the important features of del.icio.us were things like the ability to export my data daily via an API, and the fact that it was 'one guy I trusted' versus some company I'd never heard of. Some services, like Flickr, seem to get it right all around. Others only get some parts of it aligned with what I am after. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
