In gnu.emacs.vm.info, you wrote:
> Inspection of the (saved) mailbox shows that in the X-VM-v5-Data header,
> the name "Sheila en René" is stored encoded in Latin1. I very much doubt
> if that's correct.
Indeed. This is an old problem, which annoys me a lot. I use a
patched XEmacs which complains
One thing that has annoyed me for many years is that when you make a
read-only folder, and then create a virtual folder by selection from
it, the resulting folder is not read only.
(This is annoying because you then end up changing attributes on
messages that you had just explicitly tried to avoid
A while ago, Robf put my vm-sumurg.el (urgency flagging for messages)
into contrib.
Please could somebody put in the new copy, available at
It's been much extended, and has had many bugs fixed.
http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/jcb/Software/emacs/vm-sumurg.el
It's almost certainly XEmacs only now; wi
I pipe my html section through lynx -dump, which seems fine to me.
Can somebody tell me why VM makes all this use of uninterned symbols
to store bits of data?
It's not an idiom I've seen much elsewhere, and I'm not quite sure
what the point is.
>Julian Bradfield writes:
>> Can somebody tell me why VM makes all this use of uninterned symbols
>> to store bits of data?
>Do you mean the symbols interned in obarrays?
No, I mean, for example, the reverse link in the message list, where
instead of the reverse link being an en
I wrote
>No, I mean, for example, the reverse link in the message list, where
>instead of the reverse link being an entry in the message struct, the
>message struct has an entry whose value is (make-symbol "<--"), and
>then the actual reverse link is stored on that symbol.
Actually, I now see the
On 2012-01-19, Uday Reddy wrote:
> Perhaps we should have a way of marking messages based on selectors so that
> we can bypass the creation of a virtual folder.
You mean M C ??
It's there in 8.1.1...
On 2012-01-19, John Hein wrote:
> I think we should mark the new saved message as 'edited' since it's
> different than the original. It will also be interesting when
> "illegal" characters appear in the decoding. We could only allow the
> re-coding for text/ mime, but wrong mime type hints are k
On 2012-01-19, Uday Reddy wrote:
> More generally, I am thinking that there is no reason why we can't have VM
> folders stored in some other character set, other than US-ASCII, e.g.,
> UTF-8. Those folders won't be interoperable with other mail clients, but do
...
> careful reengineering effort.
On 2012-01-19, John Hein wrote:
> I hope vm can handle binary bodies okay. I suspect there may be some
> edge cases (e.g., embedded '\n\nFrom ' in binary data - using something
> other than mbox format could help there).
Nobody should be using vanilla mbox format - it was obviously an appalling
On 2012-01-20, John Hein wrote:
> We're talking about re-saving mime sections so they have something
> other than 7-bit ascii. That's not necessarily non-text data (if it
> really is text/plain valid utf-8 under the covers for instance), but
> if you view it in such a way not prepared to handle t
[Resending from my "vm rocks" gmail account. I hope Julian intended it to
go to the mailing list! -- Uday]
>Oh, perhaps you are saying they are "binary" as opposed to "ASCII". I think
>that is a matter of view point.
No, it's not. You said "7-bit US ASCII", which means what it says: no
bytes wi
On 2012-01-21, John Hein wrote:
> Most of the non-english email with "binary" payload I get is base64
> encoded or quoted-printable or q-encoding in headers. Does that mean
> there aren't mailers out there sending raw binary or converting from
> an encoding to binary before delivering it in the u
On 2012-01-21, Uday Reddy wrote:
> [Julian sent in a response yesterday, but it wasn't copied to mailing list.
> Do you want to re-send it to the mailing list, Julian?]
That's because you keep replying to me personally when you reply to my
posts, instead of keeping it on the mailing list where it
On 2012-01-21, Uday Reddy wrote:
> My idea is not to transcode in anything. Just decode it to Emacs internal
> coding and leave it at that. The folder can be saved to disk using whatever
That is transcoding...
> coding Emacs or the users chooses. It could be an ISO coding, for instance.
> The
When you reply to a non-ascii sender, VM has a very annoying habit of
flicking the compose buffer name back and forth between ... and ...<1>
(or whatever it is).
This is because of a couple of minor logic errors in the buffer
renaming code.
Here's a patch (against 8.2.0b).
Sorry I didn't send this
So, I finally tried 8.2.0b .
My standard virtual folder (which is just the concatenation of three
files) comes up with no messages in it.
The three actual folder files have been loaded in to XEmacs, and are in
VM mode, but have "Unrecognized folder type".
If I visit the real files directly, VM re
In 8.2.0b (well, actually revision 1310 to deal with the previous
bug), virtual folders don't play well with new mail.
My standard folder is a virtual folder INBOX, which is the
concatenation of the real folders INBOX-lessnew, INBOX-new, and
INBOX-newest.
New mail arrives in INBOX-newest, which is
How do I get vm to give me buttons for all the objects in a
multipart/alternative or multipart/related message (usually so I can
delete them, but maybe I want to see an image referenced by the html
(which I will have converted to text)) ?
On 2012-02-13, Ralf Fassel wrote:
> a multipart/alternative message? Some MUAs are too dumb to include
> common parts like PDFs or pictures in a way that both text/plain and
> text/html see them -- they are only present in text/html. While I have
"Some MUAs"...you mean Apple Mail, right? I've n
>(setq vm-mime-alternative-show-method 'all)
Would be good if that variable's documentation string mentioned
that. It only describes 'best and a favorite list.
>For multipart/related, on the other hand, there are no controls. It can go
>on the wish list.
Since an MUA client that can't present m
VM is behaving badly with read-only folders.
If I visit a folder read-only, I don't expect it to be changed and
written back to disk. However, this happens:
(a) If I visit a folder created by my MTA, VM says "upgrading
attributes", and then the folder is modified, and VM writes it
back to
On 2012-02-15, Uday Reddy wrote:
> VM wasn't designed to operate on spool files directly, which is what Julian
> seems to be trying.
I'm specifically NOT trying to "operate on" spool files. I just want
to *read* them. (The MTA makes a backup copy of incoming mail, which I
sometimes need to look a
On 2012-02-19, Uday Reddy wrote:
> Hi Manuel,
>
> Thanks, that is a subtle but serious problem.
I guess this also explains the occasional failure of vm-multdom to
choose the right sender address. I couldn't reproduce it, but now it
seems that I can reproduce it by visiting a virtual folder.
The new feature that quitting a virtual folder preserves the current
message, is sometimes useful. More often, for me, it's annoying to
have my place lost in the main folder.
Could it be customizable?
And I'd suggest that it would be good to set the mark in the main
folder summary at the previous c
On 2012-03-11, Uday Reddy wrote:
> We could say that `vm-quit-no-change' returns you to the original message in
> the base folder and `vm-quit' returns you to the current message in the base
> folder.
That's a good idea - I didn't think of that.
>> And I'd suggest that it would be good to set th
On 2012-03-21, Kyle Farrell wrote:
> Basically, in going through mail I'll find something I should reply
> to, but maybe not immediately. What I've been doing is adding a
> message label of "todo_{X}_{Y}" where X/Y may be a calendar date.
> Each day I come into the office, I can create a virtual
On 2012-07-16, Uday Reddy wrote:
> Please send me the response you have received from gnu.org to the effect
> that our newsgroups are "deprecated". I will write back to them saying
> that they are not deprecated.
Um, why? You have deprecated them. I can't use them to communicate
with the vm proj
On 2012-09-20, Uday Reddy wrote:
> If you are commiting to using VM, then your best bet is to keep VM folders
> in its native mbox format, and work with Mutt and VM in parallel for a
Urgh. mbox format is totally sick. From-stuffing will screw you
whatever you do. mbox format is the most evil Unix
>Hi Julian, VM doesn't do any From-stuffing. Some other Unix tools do. So,
>as long as VM is fetching mail from POP3 servers and putting it in own mbox,
>there are no problems.
If it doesn't From-stuff, how does it handle messages that might
contain text such as
>From a load of junk 42
Subject:
On 2012-10-27, Uday Reddy wrote:
> Are there problems? Do people that receive messages with international
> character sets in the headers find that VM is mishandling them in the
> Summary lines?
Yes. It doesn't work for me (with what I call 8.2.0b1-maybe, which is
something you pointed me at a w
On 2012-10-29, John Stoffel wrote:
> This might explain some of the wierd issues I've been seeing with
> emails, but I generally tend to run VM inside emacs in a gnu screen
> session, so I'm very text based. And what happens is that sometimes
> when I read a message, then move to the next message
On 2012-11-03, Tim Cross wrote:
> I would also echo the sentiment that for blind and vision impaired
> users, bottom posting is a significant burden. However, emacs can help
> to some extent as you can use buffer narrowing or overlays to have the
> quoted text hidden. Then the quoted text can be r
Returning to the problem noted a while ago of VM marking a read-only
folder modified when it upgrades attribute data:
Is there *any* case in which vm-mark-folder-modified-p should work on
a read-only folder?
Uday writes:
>Rethinking this issue, I think there has been a general misunderstanding of
>what it means for a folder to be visited read-only. As the doc string of
>`vm-visit-folder' says, visiting a folder read-only just means that "no
>attribute changes, messages additions or deletions will be a
On 2012-11-12, Uday Reddy wrote:
> I have now modified `vm-quit' in the trunk to silently discard any changes
> to the folder ("meta-data") if the folder is read-only.
>
> There are a couple of things about this that worry me.
>
> 1. If you do vm-toggle-read-only for some reason or other, you migh
I don't understand this code. Where is it that it sets the labels on
the real message and the virtual messages of the message?
After a year (or maybe two) of elapsed time and probably tens of hours
staring at the lisp debugger, I have finally tracked down the most
annoying (for me) outstanding bug in vm. That is, I've fixed it, but I
don't understand the fix or the bug!
My vm is Uday's private 8.2.X branch of 6 February 2
On 2013-01-08, John Hein wrote:
> I can't reproduce this with emacs 24.2.1 and vm trunk rev 1476.
Interesting. However, I can't try trunk, as vm is no longer compatible
with XEmacs, owing to Uday's fixation with making use of every
incompatible new feature introduced by RMS ;-)
(or at least the s
On 2013-01-08, Uday Reddy wrote:
> Does XEmacs have a function to calculate the integer quotient?
?
If I believe the FSFmacs documentation
(truncate ARG DIVISOR)
should be equivalent to
(truncate (/ (float ARG) DIVISOR))
XEmacs thinks that if you want an integer quotient, you should use
(floor
So the patch that I thought fixed it is in fact nothing to do with the
root cause, it just hides the symptoms in some cases. I noticed on
further investigation that basically handling of multiple labels per
message is completely screwed.
After another two hours with edebug, the real problem turns o
On 2013-01-25, Uday S. Reddy wrote:
> On 1/19/2013 11:42 AM, Johan Vromans wrote:
>> Sometimes I archive mail that has been dealt with, e.g. business mail,
>> but most often I do not. Every month, I move the INBOX to INBOX.MM,
>> and the INBOX I work with is a virtual folder consisting of the
On 2013-08-26, jack...@encompasserve.org wrote:
> Done: 1. Installed latest binary xemacs-21.1.3-sparc-sun-solaris2.6.tar.gz
I'm afraid XEmacs 21.1 is so ancient you can't expect anything less
than ten years old to work with it, and even that's optimistic.
Compile a recent XEmacs (21.4 is offic
On 2013-10-29, Uday Reddy wrote:
> XEmacs/VM users are even more passive than Gnu Emacs/VM users. There is
> nobody willing to take the time to package up a current VM for XEmacs. What
> can I say?
Ahem. There is no current VM. When there's a release that works (as
opposed to the beta from your
On 2014-09-13, Yeechang Lee wrote:
> to .vm, but found during testing that a message containing
>
> áéíóúñ
>
> was labeled by VM as iso-8859-1 and mangled on display in Gmail (but
> displayed correctly upon receipt in VM, because I have
>
> ; First, don't display iso-8859-1 as-is in default fa
I finally tracked down something that has been bugging me for years
now.
When I get mail From: non-ASCII names, whenever the inbox is
auto-saved, I get errors about invalid encodings; and when I save and
re-visit the folder, the non-ASCII has been replaced by ~ .
This is because when the folder i
>That is bad. I don't have problems like this on Gnu Emacs. So, something
>must be breaking for XEmacs.
>Rob F inherited VM from Kyle Jones. However, there were some bugs in
>applying this correctly to the cached-data vector when I inherited VM. I
Urgh. You're right.
I was still loading
If I save an attachment, which I routinely do via C-c C-s, and then
later I delete it (with $ d on the button), instead of just deleting the
attachment, I lose a large chunk (probably corresponding to the size
of the external file) of the actual folder.
I must be the only one seeing this, otherwi
On 2014-10-27, Julian Bradfield wrote:
[ story of non-ascii data in cached summaries being corrupted ]
> I was still loading somewhere an ancient attempt to fix up one of the
> old bugs.
>
> Forget I spoke!
>
>
I spoke too soon. Even after clearing out my old failed attempts
What version of VM are you using?
On 2018-04-19, wrote:
> A fairly small number of my email messages turn up like this in my vm
> buffer. Lots of others with html attachments come through fine and the
Usually this means that the message is multipart/alternative, where
the text/plain part says "This email requires HTML support",
On 2019-07-19, John Stoffel wrote:
> which is just clunky. HTML email is just painful, esp since I like to
> hit 't' to expose the message headers, but now that's broken for html
> emails unless I do Shift-d a few times to change the message
> decoding.
My approach to HTML mail is to convert it
On 2019-08-31, Reinhard Kotucha wrote:
> the (obviously quite old) version of VM I'm currently using doesn't
> work with Emacs 26. How can I get the latest release?
The "latest release" is 8 years old.
I'm afraid if you want it to work with fsfmacs 26, you probably need
to fix it yourself. Join
On 2021-05-04, Diagon wrote:
> VM 8.2.0b and emacs 26.3. Running make on the lisp files fails on vm-pcrisis:
>
>vm-pcrisis.el:1217:28:Error: Variable name missing after &optional
>make: *** [Makefile:114: vm-pcrisis.elc] Error 1
>
> It appears it doesn't like "&optional &rest" in the func
On 2021-07-09, Robert Marshall wrote:
> The keybindings for saving and deleting attachments are rather close on
> the keyboard C-c C-s vs C-c C-d. On a couple of occasions I've pressed
> the wrong one. Undo doesn't appear to work on this to repair the damage.
>
> Also easy to do - as my workflow i
On 2021-07-13, Robert Marshall wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 10 2021, Julian Bradfield wrote:
>> On 2021-07-09, Robert Marshall wrote:
>>> The keybindings for saving and deleting attachments are rather close on
>>> the keyboard C-c C-s vs C-c C-d. On a couple of occasions I&#x
On 2024-06-10, Mark Diekhans wrote:
> Personally, I love VM, but the compatibility issues, as well as
I resolve the compatability issues by sticking to (my 2006 fork of)
XEmacs 21.4 :) I hope that both that and my current VM will last as
long as I need them! FSFmacs changes too much for me - I li
On 2024-06-26, Reinhard Kotucha wrote:
> XEmacs hasn't been touched in 15 years, the latest release is from
> 2009.
21.5.b35 was released in May 2023.
> already obsolete at that time. I can't imagine that anybody is using
> XEmacs today. People who still insist on XEmacs today are free to
> in
On 2024-06-26, Reinhard Kotucha wrote:
> On 2024-06-26 at 09:09:06 +0100, Julian Bradfield wrote:
> > 21.5.b35 was released in May 2023.
> I'm aware of it. It's an attempt to pull a zombie into real life,
> which can never work. :)
But the zombie still functions perf
On 2024-07-13, Göran Uddeborg wrote:
[...]
> I would question if we need to go back even that far. Isn't it good
> enough to support the current version of emacs, i.e. 29 right now, for
> any new versions of VM.
>
> I live mostly in the Fedora world, but I understand both Debian 11 and
> Ubuntu 20
On 2024-07-14, Mark Diekhans wrote:
> Thanks for your thoughts. What version of emacs is in Ubuntu
> 20?
My laptop (on Xubuntu 20.04.6) has emacs 26.3. (I don't use emacs, so I
probably haven't done anything to update it past whatever comes with
the distribution.)
And if I install emacs on my p
vm-mime-retrieve-external-body may corrupt files when it retrieves
them from the external file. This seems to be rarely triggered, but it
bit me when I got some PDF files with Mac line-endings, which VM read
and converted to Unix line endings, thereby breaking all the offsets
in the PDF.
Here is t
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