[VIHUELA] who invented the guitar
gleaned the following from a 5c. vihuela alert on google in response to the question of who invented the guitar? ... anything missing?: 1265 Juan Gil of Zamora mentions the early guitar in Ars Musica. 1283-1350 Guitarra Latina Guitar Moresca are mentioned multiple times in the poems of the Archpriest of Hita 1306 A gitarer was played at the Feast of Westminster in England 1404 Der mynnen regein by Eberhard Von Cersne makes reference to a quinterne. 1487 Johannes Tinctoris described the guitarra as being invented by the Catalans. This refers to the four course guitar. Each course represents one pair of double strings. 1546 Tres Libros de Musica en Cifras para Vihuela by Alonso Mudarra is the first publication to include music for guitar. 1551-1555 Nine books of tablature were published by Adrian Le Roy. These include the first pieces for 5 course guitar. The addition of the fifth course was attributed to Vicente Espinel 1600-1650 Many publications of tablature for the guitar. It's popularity begins to rival the lute. 1674 Publication of Guitarre Royal by F. Corbetta increased the guitar's popularity. It was dedicated to Louis XIV. 1770-1800 A sixth string was added to the guitar and the courses were replaced by single strings. 1800-1850 Guitar enjoyed a large popularity both in performances and publishing. Fernando Sor, Mauro Guiliani, Matteo Carcassi and Dioniso Aguado all performed, taught, wrote and had published their compositions. 1850-1892 Guitar maker Antonio de Torres develops the larger more resonant instrument we know today. 1916 Segovia performs at Ateneo, the most important concert hall in Madrid. Before this it was thought that the guitar did not have the volume for this type of venue. 1946 Nylon replaces gut as a string material http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: who invented the guitar
I am afraid Google has got most of it wrong. The term guitarra/quinterne etc, in medieval sources does not necessarily refer to the figure of eight shaped instrument at all but to a type of small lute. I can't go into all the details but Tinctoris describes the guitar as follows -a small tortoise shaped instrument invented by the Catalans which some call ghiterra, others ghiterna The ghiterra is used most rarely, because of the thinness of its sound. When I heard it in Catalonia, it was being used much more often by women, to accompany their love songs, than by men. In other words the instrument is a small lute or mandora. The vihuela is described as -an instrument invented by the Spanish, which both they and the Italians call the viola, but the French the demi-luth. -this viola differs from the lute in that the lute is much larger and tortoise-shaped, while the viola is flat, and in most cases curved inwards on each side. The relevant article to read is still Lawrence Wright - The medieval gittern and citole : a case of mistaken identity in Galpin Society Journal, Vol. 30, 1977, p.8-42. Mudarra is indeed the first person known to have published music for the 4-course guitar. Only five of the books printed between 1550-1555 are by Leroy Ballard. The rest are by Morlaye/Gorlier. They do not include any 5-course music. There is a lot missing from the rest of it but I haven't time to write a book on the subject at present.. Don't believe everything you find on the Internet. Monica - Original Message - From: bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] who invented the guitar gleaned the following from a 5c. vihuela alert on google in response to the question of who invented the guitar? ... anything missing?: 1265 Juan Gil of Zamora mentions the early guitar in Ars Musica. 1283-1350 Guitarra Latina Guitar Moresca are mentioned multiple times in the poems of the Archpriest of Hita 1306 A gitarer was played at the Feast of Westminster in England 1404 Der mynnen regein by Eberhard Von Cersne makes reference to a quinterne. 1487 Johannes Tinctoris described the guitarra as being invented by the Catalans. This refers to the four course guitar. Each course represents one pair of double strings. 1546 Tres Libros de Musica en Cifras para Vihuela by Alonso Mudarra is the first publication to include music for guitar. 1551-1555 Nine books of tablature were published by Adrian Le Roy. These include the first pieces for 5 course guitar. The addition of the fifth course was attributed to Vicente Espinel 1600-1650 Many publications of tablature for the guitar. It's popularity begins to rival the lute. 1674 Publication of Guitarre Royal by F. Corbetta increased the guitar's popularity. It was dedicated to Louis XIV. 1770-1800 A sixth string was added to the guitar and the courses were replaced by single strings. 1800-1850 Guitar enjoyed a large popularity both in performances and publishing. Fernando Sor, Mauro Guiliani, Matteo Carcassi and Dioniso Aguado all performed, taught, wrote and had published their compositions. 1850-1892 Guitar maker Antonio de Torres develops the larger more resonant instrument we know today. 1916 Segovia performs at Ateneo, the most important concert hall in Madrid. Before this it was thought that the guitar did not have the volume for this type of venue. 1946 Nylon replaces gut as a string material http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: who invented the guitar
your goodselves and google are all i've got! inaccuracy on the internet is bad enough but coupled with a failing memory ... it's a real problem ... to wit: i remember reading ... somewhere ... that the canary island timple was introduced to the islands by arab miners brought from n. africa to work the mines there. it's possible that the figure 8 shape could have traveled back to the maghreb from iberia but i suspect the opposite is more likely. could a half-section of an hour-glass gourd be the source of the figure 8 shape? - bill --- Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am afraid Google has got most of it wrong. The term guitarra/quinterne etc, in medieval sources does not necessarily refer to the figure of eight shaped instrument at all but to a type of small lute. I can't go into all the details but Tinctoris describes the guitar as follows -a small tortoise shaped instrument invented by the Catalans which some call ghiterra, others ghiterna The ghiterra is used most rarely, because of the thinness of its sound. When I heard it in Catalonia, it was being used much more often by women, to accompany their love songs, than by men. In other words the instrument is a small lute or mandora. The vihuela is described as -an instrument invented by the Spanish, which both they and the Italians call the viola, but the French the demi-luth. -this viola differs from the lute in that the lute is much larger and tortoise-shaped, while the viola is flat, and in most cases curved inwards on each side. The relevant article to read is still Lawrence Wright - The medieval gittern and citole : a case of mistaken identity in Galpin Society Journal, Vol. 30, 1977, p.8-42. Mudarra is indeed the first person known to have published music for the 4-course guitar. Only five of the books printed between 1550-1555 are by Leroy Ballard. The rest are by Morlaye/Gorlier. They do not include any 5-course music. There is a lot missing from the rest of it but I haven't time to write a book on the subject at present.. Don't believe everything you find on the Internet. Monica - Original Message - From: bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] who invented the guitar gleaned the following from a 5c. vihuela alert on google in response to the question of who invented the guitar? ... anything missing?: 1265 Juan Gil of Zamora mentions the early guitar in Ars Musica. 1283-1350 Guitarra Latina Guitar Moresca are mentioned multiple times in the poems of the Archpriest of Hita 1306 A gitarer was played at the Feast of Westminster in England 1404 Der mynnen regein by Eberhard Von Cersne makes reference to a quinterne. 1487 Johannes Tinctoris described the guitarra as being invented by the Catalans. This refers to the four course guitar. Each course represents one pair of double strings. 1546 Tres Libros de Musica en Cifras para Vihuela by Alonso Mudarra is the first publication to include music for guitar. 1551-1555 Nine books of tablature were published by Adrian Le Roy. These include the first pieces for 5 course guitar. The addition of the fifth course was attributed to Vicente Espinel 1600-1650 Many publications of tablature for the guitar. It's popularity begins to rival the lute. 1674 Publication of Guitarre Royal by F. Corbetta increased the guitar's popularity. It was dedicated to Louis XIV. 1770-1800 A sixth string was added to the guitar and the courses were replaced by single strings. 1800-1850 Guitar enjoyed a large popularity both in performances and publishing. Fernando Sor, Mauro Guiliani, Matteo Carcassi and Dioniso Aguado all performed, taught, wrote and had published their compositions. 1850-1892 Guitar maker Antonio de Torres develops the larger more resonant instrument we know today. 1916 Segovia performs at Ateneo, the most important concert hall in Madrid. Before this it was thought that the guitar did not have the volume for this type of venue. 1946 Nylon replaces gut as a string material http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
[VIHUELA] Re: who invented the guitar
Maybe all the people playing gourd tub shaped instruments saw a female walk by and decided that would be a more visually acceptable shape. bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your goodselves and google are all i've got! inaccuracy on the internet is bad enough but coupled with a failing memory ... it's a real problem ... to wit: i remember reading ... somewhere ... that the canary island timple was introduced to the islands by arab miners brought from n. africa to work the mines there. it's possible that the figure 8 shape could have traveled back to the maghreb from iberia but i suspect the opposite is more likely. could a half-section of an hour-glass gourd be the source of the figure 8 shape? - bill --- Monica Hall wrote: I am afraid Google has got most of it wrong. The term guitarra/quinterne etc, in medieval sources does not necessarily refer to the figure of eight shaped instrument at all but to a type of small lute. I can't go into all the details but Tinctoris describes the guitar as follows -a small tortoise shaped instrument invented by the Catalans which some call ghiterra, others ghiterna The ghiterra is used most rarely, because of the thinness of its sound. When I heard it in Catalonia, it was being used much more often by women, to accompany their love songs, than by men. In other words the instrument is a small lute or mandora. The vihuela is described as -an instrument invented by the Spanish, which both they and the Italians call the viola, but the French the demi-luth. -this viola differs from the lute in that the lute is much larger and tortoise-shaped, while the viola is flat, and in most cases curved inwards on each side. The relevant article to read is still Lawrence Wright - The medieval gittern and citole : a case of mistaken identity in Galpin Society Journal, Vol. 30, 1977, p.8-42. Mudarra is indeed the first person known to have published music for the 4-course guitar. Only five of the books printed between 1550-1555 are by Leroy Ballard. The rest are by Morlaye/Gorlier. They do not include any 5-course music. There is a lot missing from the rest of it but I haven't time to write a book on the subject at present.. Don't believe everything you find on the Internet. Monica - Original Message - From: bill kilpatrick To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] who invented the guitar gleaned the following from a 5c. vihuela alert on google in response to the question of who invented the guitar? ... anything missing?: 1265 Juan Gil of Zamora mentions the early guitar in Ars Musica. 1283-1350 Guitarra Latina Guitar Moresca are mentioned multiple times in the poems of the Archpriest of Hita 1306 A gitarer was played at the Feast of Westminster in England 1404 Der mynnen regein by Eberhard Von Cersne makes reference to a quinterne. 1487 Johannes Tinctoris described the guitarra as being invented by the Catalans. This refers to the four course guitar. Each course represents one pair of double strings. 1546 Tres Libros de Musica en Cifras para Vihuela by Alonso Mudarra is the first publication to include music for guitar. 1551-1555 Nine books of tablature were published by Adrian Le Roy. These include the first pieces for 5 course guitar. The addition of the fifth course was attributed to Vicente Espinel 1600-1650 Many publications of tablature for the guitar. It's popularity begins to rival the lute. 1674 Publication of Guitarre Royal by F. Corbetta increased the guitar's popularity. It was dedicated to Louis XIV. 1770-1800 A sixth string was added to the guitar and the courses were replaced by single strings. 1800-1850 Guitar enjoyed a large popularity both in performances and publishing. Fernando Sor, Mauro Guiliani, Matteo Carcassi and Dioniso Aguado all performed, taught, wrote and had published their compositions. 1850-1892 Guitar maker Antonio de Torres develops the larger more resonant instrument we know today. 1916 Segovia performs at Ateneo, the most important concert hall in Madrid. Before this it was thought that the guitar did not have the volume for this type of venue. 1946 Nylon replaces gut as a string material http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now.
[VIHUELA] Re: who invented the guitar
What good humoured discussion! I think that Pepe Rey hit the nail on the head in his book on Spanish plectrum instruments (Juan Jose Rey and Antonio Navarro, Los instrumentos de pua en Espa=F1a. Bandurria, c=EDtola y laudes espa=F1oles. Madrid: Alianza Editorial, 1993). His argument makes us realise that in looking for the identity of an instrument through its shape is only one of the possibilities. He suggests that the use of the term guitarra in Spain for figure of 8 instruments possibly comes from the late 15th century when the small 8-shaped instrument began to used to replace the gittern (also called guitarra in Spanish) as the upper instrument in the lute-gittern ensembles that were prevalent at that time. In other words, an instrument of different morphology took on the role of the guitarra and the name stuck because the function was the same. Without going into more detail here, there is considerable corroborating evidence to support this explanation. The curves of the figure of 8 are to do, in my view, with the relationship with the fiddle. Medieval fiddles were oval in shape until players needed to be able to boy strings individually rather than all strings at once. This can be well documented through iconography. These instruments developed multiple performance practices, both bowing and plucking, then eventually separated into different streams. That's what the evidence tells me, at least. Greetings, John On 22/05/2007, at 7:17, Stuart Walsh wrote: Nowadays it seems that most people - following Laurence Wright - agree that the (medieval) gittern was a small, lute-like instrument. In Groves, Wright notes that, in the sources, there is nothing to prefer gittern-variant spellings (such as gythron, gitterne etc. I haven't got Groves to hand so I'm improvising here) over guitar-variant spellings. We just call the little instrument the gittern, but it was also sometimes referred to as guitar. So instruments known as guitars go back a few centuries before the mid 1550s. And so Bill's question still stands: who invented the guitar? (Though it's not likely to get an answer!) I'm fairly sure that Wright's view is that the small, figure-of-eight shaped' guitar' of the mid 16th century is a new form of the old 'guitar' (gittern, quintern etc)...whereas the orthodoxy of the last few decades has been to claim that it is futile to trace the guitar back before the mid16th century. But the (medieval) gittern seems to have a more promising Renaissance (and beyond) descendant in the mandore/mandora - a small lute-like instrument, rather than the figure-of-eight guitar. The way I interpret Wright's position is that the mandore/mandora sort of pops into existence in the late 16th century. But the guitar goes back into medieval times. On the other hand the current orthodoxy is that the guitar pops into existence in the mid 16th century. Neither view seems right. I am afraid Google has got most of it wrong. The term guitarra/quinterne etc, in medieval sources does not necessarily refer to the figure of eight shaped instrument at all but to a type of small lute. I can't go into all the details but Tinctoris describes the guitar as follows -a small tortoise shaped instrument invented by the Catalans which some call ghiterra, others ghiterna The ghiterra is used most rarely, because of the thinness of its sound. When I heard it in Catalonia, it was being used much more often by women, to accompany their love songs, than by men. In other words the instrument is a small lute or mandora. The vihuela is described as -an instrument invented by the Spanish, which both they and the Italians call the viola, but the French the demi-luth. -this viola differs from the lute in that the lute is much larger and tortoise-shaped, while the viola is flat, and in most cases curved inwards on each side. The relevant article to read is still Lawrence Wright - The medieval gittern and citole : a case of mistaken identity in Galpin Society Journal, Vol. 30, 1977, p.8-42. Mudarra is indeed the first person known to have published music for the 4-course guitar. Only five of the books printed between 1550-1555 are by Leroy Ballard. The rest are by Morlaye/Gorlier. They do not include any 5- course music. There is a lot missing from the rest of it but I haven't time to write a book on the subject at present.. Don't believe everything you find on the Internet. Monica - Original Message - From: bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] who invented the guitar gleaned the following from a 5c. vihuela alert on google in response to the question of who invented the guitar? ... anything missing?: 1265 Juan Gil of Zamora mentions the early guitar in Ars
