At 22:03 +0100 on 20/08/02, Mark Benson wrote:
I've got 2 IIcx's with 80MB RAM...
I paid almost $3,000 for some of those Thunder IV GX cards in various
resolutions. The DSP acceleration is kick butt. The best is converting to
CMYK, which is sped up by a huge factor.
I see, now I understand why
Hmm, I just noticed he left the T out of Paintboard
in the subject. ;)
Because it's PAIN-fully slow?!
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:04:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IIfx VS 386DX/40 Re: IIfx online Re: Hi-Spec IIci finished
--- Ken Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It uses 30 pin SIMMs. It's an AMD 386DX40, and has a
IIT 3C87-40
coprocessor installed
My IIfx came with a RastorOps Paintboard Li card, and I was wondering
[...]
Oh and it pulls 1024x768x24bit, though there is a noticeable screen draw
lag, so I'm guessing it was no serious power machine.
Hi Ben, what do you mean by screen draw lag?
At 1024x768 at Millions of Colours
From: Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hi-Spec IIci finished
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from Marten van de Kraats
at Aug 20, 2 10:52:14 pm
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:24:10 -0700 (PDT)
My 'pimped' IIci only has an 8*24*GC, a 1GB Seagate Hawk, 24MB
--- mart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Ben, what do you mean by screen draw lag?
-mart
He means you can see the graphic elements draw on
the screen instead of snapping on. A faster Mac
or a faster upgraded CPU can take care of much of
it.
Hmm, I just noticed he left the T out of Paintboard
My 'pimped' IIci only has an 8*24*GC, a 1GB Seagate Hawk, 24MB RAM and
a Daystar 50MHz '030+FPU, plus a Farallon EtherWave card. It does the job.
Pimped meaning what here, please?
pimped out being roughly synonymous for tricked out depending on your
age, dialect and funky personality. :-)
--- rlf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pimped meaning what here, please?
Bob F
Like a 1977 Lincoln Mark V Coupe, lowered, gold
wire wheels, velour interior, shag carpet
Right out of a bad 1970's cop show. ;)
All the bells and whistles, plus more.
=
http://www.junkscience.com All the
My Hi Spec. Macintosh IIci is finished. Boy is it ever sweet. Spec follows:
32MB RAM
33MHz Turbo '040
4MB Radius Thunder IV 1360 GX
500MB Hard Disk
Here's that screenshot I promised everyone :) :
http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson/IIci.jpg
I did say it'd be a bit big!
Photoshop 3.0.4 was all
On the topic of old NuBus graphics accelerators:
My IIfx came with a RastorOps Paintboard Li card, and I was wondering if
anyone here knew, well, anything about them.. info on the web is near non
existent, I'm curious how much they cost originally, when they came out, how
they rated against
--- Desert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got 2 IIcx's with 80MB RAM...
I paid almost $3,000 for some of those Thunder IV GX
cards in various
resolutions. The DSP acceleration is kick butt. The
best is converting to
CMYK, which is sped up by a huge factor.
My IIci with the Turbo 601
Umm... In 1990, you would've been happy to be able to run 24bit video at
all.
Video will probably be accelerated after installing the RasterOps control
panel.
And, as far as your IIfx not being a serious power machine, consider that it
lived between 1990 and 1992, and that someone probably paid
oh, don't get me wrong, I know exactly why the IIfx was called Wicked
Fast... it's just the video card itself doesn't seem as accelerated as
some
other cards, though I'm sure it still cost thousands of dollars.
Yeah, that's why I put in the part about installing the control panel. Try
Yeah, that's why I put in the part about installing the control panel. Try
getting the driver from here:
http://www.macdrivermuseum.com/video/knighttech/
thanks, i'll give it a go.
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Your IIci is tricked out!
I'm sorry, but this is getting a bit unreal. A IIci with 32 mb ram, a
500 mb hd and 33 mhz 68040 is definetely not tricked out. It can
contain 4 times as much ram, a much and much larger hard disk and
there are faster upgrades (ppc 601) available.
How is the
--- Desert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got 2 IIcx's with 80MB RAM...
I paid almost $3,000 for some of those Thunder IV GX
cards in various
resolutions. The DSP acceleration is kick butt. The
best is converting to
CMYK, which is sped up by a huge factor.
My IIci with the Turbo
I can't speak for others, but I'm tired of being on the treadmill where I'm
constantly upgrading to the latest hardware.
My IIfx will be used for Internet browsing, email and other low-end
activities. I'm sure it will work just fine for those purposes.
That's my personal revolt against the
32mb ram and 7.6.1 on the IIfx should hopefully allow internet browsing.
If not, I'll buy a Quadra 950.
my Weed Whacker does Nutscrape 3 with 20Mb and 7.6.1 quite well no
slower than my 8500 and 9600 doing IE 5.1... or the SE/30 doing MacWeb!
Mmmm, 1bit dither.
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Marten
Good points you raised!
32mb ram and 7.6.1 on the IIfx should hopefully allow internet browsing.
It will allow Internet browsing. No doubt about that. iCab will do pretty well.
If not, I'll buy a Quadra 950.
I myself am working at home on a Quadra 840av, while my 'state of the
art
The Atto is still unused, but should
boost disk performance
Hmmm the one thing I can't afford is a SEIV (try not to kill this
one!) and a UW-SCSI drive. I have a pair of 9GB Cheetahs (overkill I
know but they are scheduled to move into my OS X machine, when I get
a job and buy on,
A 'tricked out' machine doesn't have to be done up to max. possible
sped, that'd be 'maxed out'. It is significantly faster, graphically
beautiful (well as beautiful as 7.1 default graphics could be :) )
and runs the same res. as my 7500/200. I found Photoshop 3.0.4
surprisingly fast, don't
The word 'out' suggests that there is no room for improvement...
Not really :). 'Tricked Out' is the US English equivalent of 'Decked
Out' which means 'jazzed up' or enhanced.
BTW being used as an isdn router for the last 5 years isn't so bad...
That means that it was able to be usefull for
I hope that during its fourth life in a student's room it will be
used to create great photographic artwork that will astonish the
galleries in Paris, Milan and New York.
Nah - it is added to my library of 'Power 68ks', along with my
stacked 840av as examples of just how powerful Macs of over
What I have a hard time figuring out is why video
card companies love to charge around $5,000 for
the latest and greatest thing? From the earliest
24bit cards for Mac and PC right to the present day
where they can make the same AGP or PCI hardware
for both, the prices have stayed about the same.
--- Marten van de Kraats [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I have used a IIfx myself for quite a while. It is
an oke machine.
BTW Internet browsing is not exactly a lowend
activity, not for
computers of this vintage. They are actually a bit
to slow to do it
properly and some content is out of
How about a head to head internet performance
comparo? 386DX/40 VS IIfx. Give them both the same
amount of RAM (ISTR some DX/40 boards with 72pin
SIMM slots) and contomperary era accelerated
video cards. :) Using the same external modem would
eliminate that as a difference and they could even
I'm sorry, but this is getting a bit unreal. A IIci with 32 mb ram, a
500 mb hd and 33 mhz 68040 is definetely not tricked out. It can
contain 4 times as much ram, a much and much larger hard disk and
there are faster upgrades (ppc 601) available.
I stuck 128MB in my NetBSD IIci and it
I hope that during its fourth life in a student's room it will be
used to create great photographic artwork that will astonish the
galleries in Paris, Milan and New York.
Nah - it is added to my library of 'Power 68ks', along with my
stacked 840av as examples of just how powerful Macs of
--- Marten van de Kraats [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
How about a head to head internet performance
comparo? 386DX/40 VS IIfx.
clip
Don't forget to give the 386 a 40 mhz bus speed mobo
otherwise it wouldn't be fair :-)
Marten
That's what the 386DX/40 is. Full 32bit CPU on a
40Mhz bus. :)
On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
--- Marten van de Kraats [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I have used a IIfx myself for quite a while. It is
an oke machine.
BTW Internet browsing is not exactly a lowend
activity, not for
computers of this vintage. They are actually a bit
--- Ken Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know how serious you are about this, but I'm
pretty sure that I
have a 386/40 PC board in my basement (I only wish I
threw out the old
junk...
I also just got a IIfx, but don't know what it has
in it, other than a
sticker on the outside
On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
--- Ken Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know how serious you are about this, but I'm
pretty sure that I
have a 386/40 PC board in my basement (I only wish I
threw out the old
junk...
I also just got a IIfx, but don't know what
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Gregg Eshelman
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:52 PM
To: Vintage Macs
Subject: IIfx VS 386DX/40 Re: IIfx online Re: Hi-Spec IIci finished
--- Ken Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know how serious you are about this, but I'm
pretty sure that I
have a 386/40
--- Bill Zipprich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Remember guys, the IIfx had IOP's!
This was an advanced feature. Similar to IBM
mainframes with channel
processors for I/O.
I don't know if PC's ever had that kind of advanced
hardware.
16550N UARTS, that ought to at least equal the IIfx
: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: IIfx VS 386DX/40 Re: IIfx online Re: Hi-Spec IIci finished
--- Bill Zipprich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Remember guys, the IIfx had IOP's!
This was an advanced feature. Similar to IBM
mainframes with channel
processors for I/O.
I don't
--- Bill Zipprich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The IIfx IOP's would certainly benefit the Internet
experience as you use
the mouse to navigate.
Also consider that the cursor (hardware cursor) is
controlled via the IOP's
as well.
Well, I suppose he can start by just assembling
whatever he
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Jim Lunceford
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:22 AM
To: Vintage Macs
Subject: Re: Radius mystery card (Was: Re: ...hi everybody)
Bill:
Please reply. Do you still have the card? Is it still available?
Thanks Bill
Jim Lunceford
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-Original Message-
From: Vintage Macs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Bill Judson
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:56 AM
To: Vintage Macs
Subject: Radius mystery card (Was: Re: ...hi everybody)
It may be just a general graphics accelerator -- probably the Radius
-
From: Vintage Macs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
the pickle
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:20 PM
To: Vintage Macs
Subject: Re: ...hi everybody
At 21:18 -0700 on 08/08/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
--- Bill Zipprich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anybody know what the following card
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From: Bill Zipprich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vintage Macs)
Subject: Re: ...hi everybody
Date: Fri, Aug 9, 2002, 7:28 AM
Well that board is still a mystery:
Radius Risc Processor Board
It has a QuickColor V.1 1991 rom on it with a large VLSI chip in a square
It may be just a general graphics accelerator -- probably the Radius
QuickColor card. Sold to be used with the early Radius 24-bit cards in the
Mac II-era machines. The ones prior to the PrecisionColor series, which
(mostly) had onboard acceleration -- I think they were called the
DirectColor
: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:56 AM
To: Vintage Macs
Subject: Radius mystery card (Was: Re: ...hi everybody)
It may be just a general graphics accelerator -- probably the Radius
QuickColor card. Sold to be used with the early Radius 24-bit cards in the
Mac II-era machines. The ones prior
Bill:
About the IIfx. Check the swap list I think they're are a couple on there
If you find out about that Radius Risk Processor Board, let us know.
Good luck
Jim
---
Bill Zipprich wrote:
I'm new to the list and wanted to say hello to everybody.
I have decided to
More likely some sort of RIP card; if you can get access to a scanner, this
What be an RIP board? For those who have not got a clue.
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At 21:55 +0100 on 08/08/02, Mark Benson wrote:
More likely some sort of RIP card; if you can get access to a scanner, this
What be an RIP board? For those who have not got a clue.
Raster Image Processor. Useful in service bureaux and the like.
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FAQ
--- Bill Zipprich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anybody know what the following card is:
Radius Risc Processor Board
It's a Nubus card with no external connector. Could
it be a card that accelerates graphics?
Probably a PhotoShop accelerator. Should work with
up to PhotoShop 3,
At 21:18 -0700 on 08/08/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
--- Bill Zipprich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anybody know what the following card is:
Radius Risc Processor Board
It's a Nubus card with no external connector. Could
it be a card that accelerates graphics?
Probably a PhotoShop
--- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 21:55 +0100 on 08/08/02, Mark Benson wrote:
More likely some sort of RIP card; if you can get
access to a scanner, this
What be an RIP board? For those who have not got a
clue.
Raster Image Processor. Useful in service bureaux
and the
At 21:39 -0700 on 08/08/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
--- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 21:55 +0100 on 08/08/02, Mark Benson wrote:
More likely some sort of RIP card; if you can get
access to a scanner, this
What be an RIP board? For those who have not got a
clue.
Raster Image
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Hi, Steff, I'd like to ask you a question, but unfortunately, I lost your
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(upgraded 512k, released in Europe only) and some more stuff. I take
some of them out every now and then to fool around with.
Hi! I'm new to the list. My name is Deven, and I'm a Vintage Mac
enthusiast. I have a Mac IIsi, IIci, and a Plus. I'm also big on upgrading
my old macs, and I'm working
Very cool, I wish I had all those Mac models. However, I have a serious lack of
monitors-- one Mac RGB 12, with a moderate case of magnetic color stain, and big-@$$
PC monitor that works with all my Macs through my OmniMac VGA converter. I like to
think I'm pretty knowledgeable about Macs and
At 08:20 -0400 on 06/09/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
just say overclock)ing my IIsi to maybe 30mhz and using it as a game
server/file server.
Won't work past about 29MHz because the floppy drive controller craps out.
If you have anything in the PDS slot, you're limited to about 25MHz or so.
p
Already banned him. (Again.)
Hi Steve!
Make that a lifetime ban...
Oh, and if you care to notice, Steve's private correspondence was never
posted to this list by me or Dan...
cl
Chris Lawson, Low End Mac
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And to follow up on that, I think maybe Steve ought to check the archives
to show the rest of us just exactly WHERE it was that Dan posted Steve's
private correspondence to the list.
http://mail.maclaunch.com/lists/vintage.macs/Message/12383.html is the
only message I could find from Dan
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