Does it work with MBraille. I like to schedule my appointments using
MBraille from within the MBraille app.
Thanks In advance.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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Hi, all. I'm asking this on behalf of a friend. He's running IOS7.04 on an
IPhone 5. In the past he has had good success using repeating reminders.
For example a reminder to watch a favorite TV program every day at 10 PM.
However, the repeats show up intermittently now. This is true with any
Hi all. When our children were very young some 30 years ago they thought
that santa had a whole lot of white wrapping paper. Now santa uses cam find
to tell which is the right side of the wrapping paper. Smart Santa who
loves her technology!
Smiling.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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I'm having a strange problem. I use MBraille for most of my keyboard work.
Starting last Wednesday or Thursday I have had difficulty sending a text
using MBraille. When I send a message in the usual way using the on-screen
keyboard the text sends, but when I send from within the MBraille app
Hi, all. Well, I realized why I couldn't paste from the MBraille app to an
email. In order to help solve the texting issue I uninstalled and
reinstalled MBraille. I didn't realize that I had to go back and also
reinstall the paid version. I did that and all works fine. So far the
texting
Hi. Does anyone know who would be the best person to contact concerning
accessibility of slacker? I like the app and would be happy to keep it.
Since they fixed it once, it's my hope that they will fix it again. Thanks
in advance.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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I think I have the same app. It's called I emergency plus. The plus is
written as the plus sign from the more symbols keyboard and the whole thing
is written with no spaces. There's a way to get it as wall paper on the
phone, too. It's fully accessible. I don't remember the cost, but it
Hi, all. Several weeks ago someone told us about the app doc scan which was
free for the day. Has anyone had success using this one? I can't figure it
out. Thanks in advance for any help.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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Hi, all. Some time ago someone sent information about how to label photos
with voice over. I know you double tap and hold to bring up the text field,
but can't remember the exact steps. Could someone help refresh my old
memory, please? Do you have to be in the photo before you label? Thanks
Hi Cara. Interesting information about crashes. I decided to go in and
have a look. Now I just have a curiosity question. I see the words
assistant and the word backboard in the list of crashes. Both with
underscores after them. Just wondering what those are? Not a big deal.
Just curious as
What about those pictures that come back as failed? I was trying to get a
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the
shirt logo which was what I was looking for. Would I be charged for
I had exactly the same thing happen with my 4S running ios 7.03 last night.
Holding down the home and lock buttons for 10 seconds fixed it. Very
strange. I've also noticed that my voice-over sometimes stutters a bit.
Boy, it's amazing how much I've grown to like this phone, and when something
Hi, all. Just FYI, when my phone came back, I had to allow my contacts for
MBraille and my calendar for the alarmed app. I don't know if I have to set
location tracking or not, but it will be interesting to find out. No other
things needed to be changed. Indeed, very strange.
God bless!
Hi, Alan, is the list app you referred to the one from Yoctaville? Pardon
the spelling. I saw lots of items on the app store and am not sure which
one you are talking about. Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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Hi, Joe. I don't know if you've found the podcast that was done by an
Austrailian woman demonstrating Blind Square. It was rather lengthy, but
gave some good information. Actually, I just went looking for it so I could
tell you where to find it and couldn't find it. I don't think it was on
Shop shop, alarmed, the native calendar, IYot (not sure of the spelling),
kings corner, 10 itemsMBraille, and of course the native apps like email
notes and phone.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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Hi, Lelia. Have you taken a look at blind square. It's significantly
cheaper than the Sendero GPS and seems to be pretty good. I've just started
working with it, and so far am impressed. There are some excellent podcasts
about it. The cost is around $24. HTH.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
Hi, everyone. A coworker has an IPhone 5 running IOS 6. She does not want
to update right now. Yesterday someone was helping her with her phone, and
the phone asked if she wanted to update. The only option was ok. There
appears to be no way to get out of that screen. We tried re-setting the
There is an app called tempo perfect. Some of the buttons are unlabeled,
but it is accessible. I haven't used it much lately. I found the ticks
hard to hear if you're playing along, so use a small speaker. That seems to
work.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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This evening I opened the junk email folder just to see what was in it.
There were several emails there that I don't recall moving into it, so I'm
just curious to know what goes into junk and how does it get there? Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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Hi. There were several inquiries about this subject a couple of weeks ago.
I just ran across this link and thought it might be helpful. Haven't
checked it out myself, since it's something I'm not interested in yet. This
link is from digital trends.
To all who are using the alarmed app with IOS 7.02. When I ask Siri to set
a reminder, it no longer sinks with the alarmed app automatically. Of
course, I can set it up in alarmed, but it was nice to have the native
reminders app sink with alarmed. Is anyone else noticing this? Is there
I just downloaded youplayer and it seems to work very nicely. It was free.
My guess is that there's a paid version, but I don't know that for sure.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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Hi, all. I have an IPhone 4S running IOS 7.02. I've noticed something odd
in the last few days. When I open my mail app, if there are new messages
I'm put into the first message and asked if I want to read or dismiss. If I
tap on dismiss, then I'm taken to the next unread message and asked the
Nope, you're not nuts! The letter announcement was there just a couple of
days ago. No more, though. Interesting.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013
Hi all. I need some advice before I re-download the MBraille app. I have
had significant trouble getting the app to send texts from within the app.
I have tried re-booting the phone holding down the home and lock button, and
have tried turning the phone off and then on again. Neither worked. As
Hi, Tom and others. I had this happen periodically while running IOS 6. I
never use a blue tooth keyboard, yet the on-screen keyboard would sometimes
totally disappear. The solution for me was to turn the phone off, wait a
little, then turn it back on. This worked every time.
Hope this helps.
Hi, all. I've found something in IOS 7 that I like very much. I use the
timer this evening for the first time in a while. I found that I could
check the status of the timer while it's running from the locked screen
easily, and was able to find the button to stop the timer also on the locked
Hey, all. When I hit the search button it takes me to sometime in 2012. Is
there a way to ask for a specific month or date? I haven't found one, but I
tend to miss these little things. I've tried typing in the name of the
month in the search field, but that didn't seem to help. Any thoughts?
On my 4S running IOS 6 I sometimes had this problem. I'd try to reply to an
email or send a text and the keyboard simply wouldn't show up. The only way
I found to re-establish the on-screen keyboard was to turn the phone off and
wait a bit and turn it back on. That solved the problem every
Hi, all. I would like to have an alert each time I get an email rather than
having to go into my mail app to check it over and over. I can't seem to
figure out where to do this in settings. Any help would be appreciated. I
may decide it's making me crazy to hear the sound go off, but I'd like
Hi, all. In IOS 6 I could go into the edit field while on a contact and
find a delete contact button which let me erase the complete contact. I
can't seem to find one in IOS 7. Is there a solution or button I'm
missing? Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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Just wondering. What's the advantage of making a face time audio call as
opposed to just making a regular phone call? Just curious.
God bless!
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I just hit the home button once to get out of the notifications center or
the control center. Don't know if that's the best way, but it works.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alexandra -
Hi all. Is anyone using the white pages app? I used it a couple of times
while running IOS 6 with some success. Since I upgraded I can't seem to get
the search feature to work. I go into businesses, type an item to search
and double tap the search button. It takes me to some sort of very
This may be obvious, but I was just reminded by a friend to use siri to
check my calendar events. It works like a charm. I just said, Check my
calendar for the week, and got the whole week's events. Easy solution, at
least for me.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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First of all, I just updated to IOS7 on my 4S and would like to thank all
who have given such helpful information. I knew what to expect and how to
deal with many things.
Second, I think this may have been covered earlier, but I can't find it
and my brain is on IOS 7 overload. Is there a
I'm having the same problem on my IPhone 4S running 6.1.3. I wonder if it's
a yahoo weather problem?
God bless!
Paula and Babe
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Geoff Stephens
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Hi, Raul and others. I was unable to get the information from the website
in this email. I keep getting a message that says edit secunia. I don't
know if this has to do with a virus protection I have on my computer or
what. Any thoughts? I would like to read the info.
Thanks in advance.
God
Hi all. Is there a way to paste text written within MBraille into another
app. For example, can you write a note in MBraille and move it to your
notes app, or can you write a reply in MBraille and paste it into the body
of an email to reply to someone? I haven't seen anything that answers this.
around the text by paragraph, line, word, or
character.
I would encourage you to check out the built in help for instructions on how
to take advantage of all of these features of the app.
HTH,
Chris Chaffin
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I can't believe I actually spent $30 on an app, and that I'm excited about it.
This is the first email I've sent using MBraille and I think it actually might
work as advertised. That's in spite of a lot of mistakes on my part. There is
definitely a learning curve, but it's going to be very
I am unable to get into safari. I can send and receive emails, but when I
try to open safari it says that safari cannot open the page because the
network connection has been lost. I've tried re-booting the phone holding
down the home and screenlock buttons for 10 seconds two times. I've also
. Then try retyping
the desired website or opening the page from your bookmarks.
Donna
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I am unable to get into safari. I can send and receive emails, but when I
try to open safari it says that safari cannot open
I just went to the blind geek zone web page that Christopher gave a link to
to listen to the podcast on MBraille since I'm thinking seriously about
buying it. I wasn't able to find the podcast anywhere. Any suggestions.
I'd really like to hear it.
Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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Hi, all. I have heard that it's important to always log out on your home
computer from your facebook page when you're finished. Same for bookshare
and other web pages. Is this also true on the IPhone? Just wondering.
Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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Sorry about that last partial post. I didn't mean to hit control enter.
Anyway, as I was saying, the conversation about how little pressure you
need in order to work with the IPhone got me thinking. I thought I was
tapping gently, but I tried just the lightest touches, and was amazed how
Hi, all. Is there a limit to the amount of text you can write in the native
notes app? It seems to me I heard there was. Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Thursday, August
I thought you could only put so many words in each note on the native notes
app. Good to know.
I use simple note which also works well. I'm not sure if the words simple
note are written together or not. I think there's a paid and a free
version, but it's been so long since I got it that I'm
You can try a double tap and then hold. That worked for me the last time I
had that happen. I did have to do it twice, but it didn't take as much time
as re-booting the phone.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of loriandleo
Hi, Tod and others. When I was looking at the cheesecake Factory menu
today, I double tapped on the desserts and then tried the cheesecake button,
but wasn't able to get the desserts list. I could get the rest of the menu,
though. Was there something I was doing wrong? Thanks.
God bless!
So, just to clarify, the question is do you'd need to hold the phone in your
free hand rather than in a pocket, belt clip or purse?
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday,
I use shop shop all the time, and I'd like to know how to do that, too. I'd
also like to know how to clear the history. Anyone have any thoughts.
Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Friday,
Cards alone gives you two possible games, hexagon and napolian's grave. I
haven't tried Napolian's Grave, but really like hexagon. They are both
solitaire-type games.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Hi, everyone. First of all, if this has been covered in past messages, I
apologize. Since I have had no email concerns relating to email on my
IPhoneI just deleted those messages with email in the subject line, so I may
have missed something important.
Now to my question. I receive work
Hi, everyone. I'm glad to hear that the developer is aware of the problem
with talking goggles. I just got the app, and figured it wasn't working
because I was doing something wrong, so, although I am a bit disappointed
that it isn't working right now, I'm very glad it isn't my lack of
My husband and I would very much like to see this sort of podcast. Thanks
for offering.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:54 AM
To:
I am considering getting the after-shocks to use in an open office setting.
My computer is running JAWS, and my co-workers sit fairly close to me. Has
anyone noticed excess sound coming from the headphones that might disturb
others? It seems to me that that was mentioned sometime back as a
Is anyone out there using the d-life companion app? If so, are you having
any luck? My husband is diabetic and watched the d-life tv show and now
gets it on the web. He would like to access information from the app, but
isn't able to do so. Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance.
God bless!
Paula
I just checked the app store for papa sanger and couldn't find it. Am I
spelling it incorrectly?
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joe
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
To anyone out there who plays Stem Stumper: When I get to level 7
everything including voice over stops. No music, no speech, just the bonk
that shows the end of the screen. Is there something I need to do? Just
wondering. Haven't played the game since the last update.
Thanks.
God bless!
I play this game a lot, and have memorized the buttons in order from 1 to 9.
I just have to count each time, which is a bit annoying, but doable.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Thursday, July 04,
Sometimes, if you turn the bottle or jar just a little you get more
information.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: taptapsee
Tap tap see is probably the most useful app I have. I use it to read
medicine bottles, canned foods, frozen bags of vegetables, to check the
colors of my clothing, and much more. I think it's almost as good as having
a sighted person around. My husband, who is also blind, says he agrees and
I could get hooked on this game. So far, I can't get beyond round 8, but am
having great fun trying.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 12:51 PM
To:
I have had this happen from time to time. I don't use a Bluetooth keyboard,
but always use the on-screen keyboard or siri. When I lose my keyboard I
shut the phone down completely, wait a couple of minutes, and turn it back
on and the keyboard's magically back. Hope this helps.
God bless!
Paula
or it may have confused you even
more! ;)
HTH
Regards,
AnonyMouse
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Paul and Paula Jordan
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Has anyone found a good earphone or set of headphones that work well with
bilateral hearing aids? Thanks for any info.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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Hi, all. It is reassuring to know that nothing is wrong with my phone. I'm
not even able to use siri to set a two sentence reminder without that
Thomas Jefferson quote and request to make my statement shorter.
Take care.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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From:
I have had the same problem. My work-around is to go to my contacts list,
to my friend's name, to the send message, and use the dictate button. That
is very reliable.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Marissa
Sent:
] On Behalf
Of Paul and Paula Jordan
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 6:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: a way to carry an iPhone 4S
Hi, List. I like to take long walks and listen to a book as I go. Since I
now have voice dream and am reading a good book on it, I have been looking
for a way
Does weatherbug have a storm alert feature? I can't seem to find
one. Thanks to all.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kevin Barry
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 6:22 AM
To:
IYacht might also be good. It's a form of Yatze. I'm not sure of the
spelling. Sorry about that.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Edward Przybylek
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Hi, List. I like to take long walks and listen to a book as I go. Since I
now have voice dream and am reading a good book on it, I have been looking
for a way to carry my iPhone 4S clipped to my shirt collar so I can read as
I walk. I happened to have an old victor Stream case and, just for
To anyone out there who is using the updated slacker radio app: I have just
re-installed the free version. You used to be able to search by artist and
get at least the same type of music that he or she sang. I see the search
artist prompt and typed in a name, but wasn't able to get to the
Hi. I've had that same experience when I'm writing an email or a text.
Very occasionally I double tap to bring up the on-screen keyboard and
nothing comes up. I have to shut the phone down completely and bring it
back up. It hasn't happened in a month or so, and doesn't happen very
often. I,
Hi, all. I have 4 items in my file app pro. One is a list from an email
attachment. I went into the list and read through it. Now I can't find a
way to get back to the main screen so I ccan do anything else. I've checked
all 4 pages of the file as thoroughly as possible and can't find a back
For some reason I'm not getting nagged. I want the sound every minute until
I do something about it. I have nag me set to on, but haven't figured out
how to set it for every minute. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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I absolutely love this app. My husband and I are both totally blind, and I
use it for color identification, telling me what types of frozen vegetables
I have and more. Very cool!
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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When I activate the roter I put two fingers of my right hand on the screen
spread just a little apart and turn the phone with my left hand. Weird, I
know, but it seems to work for me.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com
Does that work for labeling photos, too.
Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: labeling unlabeled items on the screen
Hi, All. I just got an email notice from Slacker radio encouraging me to
try the new slacker. Has anyone else received this note, and Does anyone
know if they've fixed the accessibility issues? Just wondering.
Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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Hi, yesterday I decided to delete all my sent mail. I had a year's worth
and I did them one at a time. I'll make sure to delete them more regularly
after this experience!
As I was looking at my folders I came across the all mail folder.
There were some very odd things like test messages
Hi. I got this information from the list earlier in the week and thought,
it's so simple I'll surely remember it. However, I didn't and can't find
the email.
I have successfully logged onto bookshare using voice dream. After I
got the message authentication succeeded, I thought I could
I lost my calendar notifications after I did the update to 6.1.2.
I had to go into the settings menu, then notifications, then swipe until I
saw the calendar. For some reason it showed up in the no notifications
area. I double tapped on it and tapped to turn it back on. All works fine
Hi. I have a question For anyone out there who is using ShopShop. I use
the app and like it a lot. I have a grocery list, plus two others, and can
switch from list to list. However, I'd like to clear the history, since it
has a lot of junk in it I may never want to get again. Is there a way to
I've just purchased the voice dream app. I found the bookshare prompt,
enabled it, entered my bookshare email sign on and password. I was told
that it was authenticated. When I double tapped the ok button it took me
back to the screen that tells what bookshare is and says for more
information
@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice dream and bookshare
You're not missing anything at all, back out of that screen and you're ready
to go the add button to start adding books. Hope that helps. Take care.
On Feb 20, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan wrote:
I've just purchased the voice dream
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice dream and bookshare
You're not missing anything at all, back out of that screen and you're ready
to go the add button to start adding books. Hope that helps. Take care.
On Feb 20, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan wrote:
I've just
attachment: winmail.dat
Hi, All. I'm finding an odd subject line as I scroll down my viPhone email.
I read: report failure Then the sender's name followed by recall failure:
recall placing an order. When I open The email it just says something like
cannot be recalled and gives the February 14 date.
Might this
Has anyone downloaded this update yet? Just wondering about the fixes, and
whether it's worth doing. Thanks in advance.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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Light detector.
I think it's around .99 cents. Very worth it.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Regina Alvarado
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Light
Hi, I downloaded the radio NOAA app. Interestingly, looking at the radio
station listings, there are 8 in Ohio. All of them are from the northern
and central areas of the state. Unfortunately, I live in Cincinnati, which
is in the southern part of the state. Even though it's a major city,
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From: Paul and Paula Jordan mailto:pau...@roadrunner.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: Any good accessible apps for N O A A Weather radio?
Hi, I downloaded the radio NOAA app. Interestingly, looking at the radio
station
I happened to run across this email from a while back. Hope it will help
you add your dulcet tones to the rest of the congregation.
God bless!
Paula Jordan and Babe
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jesper Holten
Sent
Great game. Easy, fun, addictive, quick and voice over friendly.
God bless!
Paula Jordan and Babe
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Max Christ
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 6:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: BuzzMem - Memory Game
was
eventually able to do it using voice over.
It might be worth looking into.
God bless!
Paula Jordan and Babe
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tessa
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 9
Hi, All. I am planning a trip and was hoping to download the GMA Card games
mentioned by David Greenwood earlier this week. I'm unable to find them in
the app store. Any suggestions? As always, thanks for all each of you do to
help each other. Merry Christmas.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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