RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Hi Davy, In fact I think it is completely appropriate that if somebody thinks they have noticed a bug or behaviour which seems to not be what it should to ask on the list first. The fact is that in quite a few cases something which appears to be a bug may not be one, I have seen so many

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

I for one, don't know the whole blind community. and not quite sure, where you get your percentages from? Dave. -Original Message- From: Davy Cuppens Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Dear Christopher and others The only thing that frustrates me is the resigned lazyness of almost the whole blind community. I've been dealing with Apple products now for 6 years and have had contact with many devs and people in the accessibility team and they all report the same. Very few

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Wow, I'm not sure where this is coming from. Talking about a bug on this list doesn't mean that people aren't doing anything. People can talk about an issue on this list and report it to Apple as well. I also can't remember the last time I saw someone complaining about a bug in IOS and

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Sieghard you got the point indeed I am not gona send them A10s fighters planes (grin) to bomb the company but I am simply reporting them every remaining bug every 2 weeks if they like it or not but for all those that are only moaning and complaining here, then do nothing and stay with your

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody should write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE:

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Christopher, I'm also liking what I'm experiencing with the Outlook app. I'll know more tomorrow when I process my first batch of new Inbox messages on the iPhone using Outlook. Alan From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

I’m pretty happy with the Outlook app, but I’m still trying to get the hang od dealing with specific messages within a thread, but this is also the current issue with the native mail app, so I’m still using the Outlook app right now as my primary email app. I’m just not using my iPhone for

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Hi Alan, Well, I’ve had no focus issues which is the reason I’m using Outlook at this point. I’d like to mail app but I really have grown very tired of the focus issues that have lasted for several months. I hope it works out for you when you try it. Get Outlook for iOS

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Hi Les, Thanks for the Outlook suggestion. I'm trying it now and it seems to be working very well. I just have to get used to its differing terminology. I like that the native Mail app references All mail when you want to see everything and Outlook uses Archive for its terminology the best

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

I'm with you though, Lynn. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn White Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

No. Bombing any server is a rotten idea. That is a very negative action and is likely not to receive a positive reaction. I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this. But whenever I hear that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting their way using

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on! You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or 3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so and other

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Hi Alan, Well, I’ve been using Outlook for the past couple of weeks. I’ve given up on Apple fixing the mail issues and I’ve gone to Outlook instead. It does seem to be working much better. With the Mail app, I could go through messages OK but once I open the message and came out of it, then

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Christopher, I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple Accessibility about the native Mail

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it better over all or not. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

I don't use email threads, more than one email within an email, so I can't comment on this. I'm having no problems with voiceover losing focus with individual emails, as long as the annoying vertical scrollbar is at 0% for the top email & at 100% for the last email & if I'm within the middle of

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Hi Lynn, I agree. The only way to get things changed is to consistently ask politely. I've found that the old adage about catching more flies with honey than vinegar applies with anything where people are involved. I've sent my third email to Apple Accessibility about the native Mail

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Hi Allen, This is so refreshing to hear. I have a friend who, every time there is an update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways other than children of God. I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester which he would be great at.

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple. I’ve sent them an e-mail. Kim > On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > >  > Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com > > > > Richard > "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon. From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Kim: I don’t use my phone much for email, but I have found, that the more people that report a problem to Apple accessibility, the better. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Yes. This is irritating. I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that. So now what? Do we just wait for the next update? Write to Apple accessibility? Thanks for any direction. Kim > On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan