Hi, all!
This app was created to help the blind and visually impaired to see with
the help of sighted volunteers. Sounds interesting. Check out an article
from the link below:
https://gigaom.com/2015/01/15/be-my-eyes-app-harnesses-volunteers-to-help-sight-impaired-people/
Cheers!
- Tammy
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No; I did none of these things. I don't even have a passcode set up on my
device--an iPhone 4S--although I plan to do so when I get my new iPhone 6 at
some point. Do you think I should change my password? Of course, I wouldn't do
it through that email. :)
Thanks,
Ari
On Jan 15, 2015, at
Hi,
Another thing i wonder about since i’m thinking of getting a Legend headset is:
How easy is it to set up if you don’t have a sighted person to help you? Is
the apps that do the setup and so on accessible at all? In my case i guess it’s
a matter of deciding what language to use.
/Krister
Hi there,
Maybe a difficult question to answer here, but which of the two headsets do you
think is the better one, the Edge or the Legend? Asking because i’m thinking of
getting a new bluetooth headset.
/Krister
16 jan 2015 kl. 01:27 skrev Merv Keck blind5spar...@gmail.com:
Hi,
I have the
Considering that 1) information posted about Apple Watch according to iOS 8.2
has VoiceOver on the watch itself, and 2) Apple received a pattent for glass
which also acts as a speaker that is reportedly fully functioning in Korning
(the manufacturers of Guerilla Glass) labs, this glass is
Yes. Change the password for your Apple ID and if you've used the old
password on other services change it on them also. NB: from a security
point of view it would be best if you did this from your iPhone. Next,
assuming you use a Windows computer, run scans using your anti virus
anti malware
Especially as Jony Ive himself said that it did contain a speaker. I
really don't see what the speculation is about; short of one of us
having the watch in our hands, we're as sure as we can be that it has
VoiceOver.
On 1/16/15, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
Considering that 1)
I hate the way you can't read footnotes with the app. Bible gateway all the way
for me.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you able to select verses for creating notes or sharing with the
updated version? I have decided not
Hi,
I just downloaded the 2,0 version and you are right, you cannot activate an
edit field.
I would write to them telling them of such. I would ask if they could replicate
the behaviour of the ihealth blood glucose app: ibg5. As I am able to manually
enter blood sugar data in this app.
This seems to be how a few audio apps work.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
Hi Eileen. I can confirm your volume findings as well. This is exactly what
happened to me. I actually put on head phones thinking the volume would
Don’t understand. Used it pretty much out of the box.
Andy
From: Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Plantronix voyager Legend headset question
Hi,
Another thing i wonder about since i’m thinking of getting a Legend headset is:
How
When I do that I'm only seeing one song, which was my latest purchase and
the U2 album. Over the years I have purchased much more than that, but
that's all that's available.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Wayne Merritt
Hi,
I updated the facebook app yesterday. Now it only reads a few status updates
in most recent then announces news feed and won’t read any further.
Also it announces feed table.
Wondering if anyone else has a problem with this and if there are any work
arrounds for this app?
Jen
--
Yes. It also reads names twice.
Hope Paulos
On Jan 16, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Jen Colley jencol...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I updated the facebook app yesterday. Now it only reads a few status updates
in most recent then announces news feed and won’t read any further.
Also it announces feed
I'm experiencing a similar problem on my iPhone 5 with the latest iOS.I have
noticed that if I close the app from the apps which are and reloaded it will
sometimes read the newsfeed correctly.
Regards, Feliciano
Like my Facebook page: www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow me on
It will read further with threats. We just have to wait for the next update in
2 weekss.
Joney
If God can bring you to it,
He will lead you through it.
On Jan 16, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Jen Colley jencol...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I updated the facebook app yesterday. Now it only reads a few
I selected a version that has audio settings, and found the audio settings
button at the bottom of the screen. However when I tap the audio settings
button, nothing happens.
I turned VoiceOver off, and had my husband take a look, and he got the audio
to play. When I turned VoiceOver back
I have been using Square on my iPhone 4s with a focus 14 blue Braille display
for some time now with general success. Recently I updated my phone to IOS
8.1.2 and things have gone downhill seriously. Now I can’t enter information
with my Braille display and in fact I have to use that crazy
Once you click audio settings, right above the home key is a play
button. Double tap that and it should start talking.
On 1/16/15, Karen Poulakos kpoula...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
I selected a version that has audio settings, and found the audio settings
button at the bottom of the screen.
I was able to read posts and comment on one. I did this by first
tapping in the middle of the screen so that focus was in the right
place.
On 1/16/15, Joney talk2o...@gmail.com wrote:
It will read further with threats. We just have to wait for the next update
in 2 weekss.
Joney
If God can
Hi,
On my iPhone 6, I have found that when I double tap anything that will
take me to a photo which has been tagged, VO freezes until I exit the
app. Photos without taggs work as they always have done.
Cheers,
Ben.
On 1/16/15, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote:
I was able to read
On the app under the more tab, you can report if something isnt working. Do it
if you havent. I always do so to improve apps or accessibility
Regards, Feliciano
Like my Facebook page: www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Sent from
Hi Folks
The subject says it all, is there a brail shortcut when an iPhone is
connected to a brail display to perform a double finger tap. You can use the
p 1234 to toggle speech or the m 134 to mute but these two keystrokes won't
stop playing music or videos or accept or end a telephone
Hi,
I avoid FB anyway on principal, however, I do have it and for the last
several versions FB on my iPhone 5S has been annoying me by telling me I
have 75 or more notifications. This is not unusual since I rarely check FB
or update my status on FB. I will go there and go to notifications and
I don’t see a way to do the two finger double tap with the braille display.
I think you still have to do a two finger tap on the iPhone it self.
Here is a link that shows the braille commands they have.
This was copied from the Be My Eyes compatibility section of the Apps Store
description:
Requires iOS 7.0 or later. Compatible with iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch.
This app is optimized for iPhone 5, iPhone 6, and iPhone 6 Plus.
Alan Lemly
-Original Message-
From:
Hi, Davy,
It depends on the Braille display. I have a Focus 40 Blue, and there is a
dedicated key for this. You might try going into keyboard help and press
selection keys or their equivalent to find out what they do. Sometimes
double-tapping a router key above a character works as well.
You are correct. The key to the right of the spacebar is the option key.
I have this keyboard!
Jenn
TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:47 PM, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote:
Hi Barry,
My sister has this keyboard...and if memory
Hi,
Used it this afternoon with no problem but did notice it saying feed table.
Using iPhone 5c.
All the best
Angie
Sent from my iPad
On 16 Jan 2015, at 13:23, Jen Colley jencol...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I updated the facebook app yesterday. Now it only reads a few status updates
Hi,
You can read various Bibles using VoiceOver or, alternatively, look through
the list of Bibles and choose one that has recorded speech and play it.
I haven't actually used any of the speech recordings myself but, if you're
stuck, I'll have a play if you say you're stuck.
Carol P
-
Hi all
There is a simple way to avoid these accessibility problems but for most of you
it is too late.
Go to settings/itunes and appstore and put the update button for apps off
instead of on. You can stil do updates manually in the appstore on the update
screen. It has been 5 or 6 times now
I don't receive many and they're usually following up on a plan I'm doing.
Maybe you could go to their site and look to see what you're subscribed to
receive from them, assuming this is available.
Carol P
- Original Message -
From: John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com
To:
I tried it ages back and could do it, byh double tapping each verse I
wanted.
I havfen't had need of that feature for some time but guess we could all try
it now you've asked the question ...
Carol P
- Original Message -
From: John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com
To:
Before adding the account.
What email program is he going to be using?
On Jan 15, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Michael Amaro mikeam...@earthlink.net wrote:
Hello Listers,
I have a friend that does all his emailing on his iPhone 5. How ever I am
setting up his windows 7 64 bit laptop. I need to
I personally like getting updates automatically as I tend not to remember to
bother for ages if I don't; :) and I'm not reliant on most of my apps if they
don't work properly for a while; I've seen improvements in Facebook over the
past year.
All the best
Angie
Sent from my iPad
On 16 Jan
Thanks Carol,
I had been using a version that was not supported by audio, so didn't
realize it was available. I didn't enjoy reading it with VoiceOver, because
it seemed choppy to me, and I found the reading of all the verse numbers to
be a distraction.
Then, when I switched versions, and
I was receiving lots of notifications from them. I went to Settings on the
home page of my phone, and then to Bible, and turned off notifications.
That seems to have helped. I've never received email from them.
Karen P
- Original Message -
From: carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
Hi,
Having both here side by side I can honestly say it depends on your
preference. Technically the Edge is the newer model, However, the Legend is
a little bigger and a little more comfortable on the ear. Ok let me see if I
can be a little more organized:
Legend:
Pros:
More comfortable on the
OK, this is really for Sharonda and I did write earlier, but have now
checked out a couple of things to see if they still work.
You still do double tap the verse(s) you want to select. From there you
look on the lower right part of the screen for an Action button. Double
tap and From there
They certainly havfe got a pretty smart app now at Bible Gateway, which
wasn't always the case.
I flit between the two, depending on what I want to do.
I often do my searches via Gateway.
Don't have time to play around enough to say just what works and does not on
either, sadly, as I need to
Hi All,
When I've used the native alarm, I had to turn on snooz. Then when I would
press one of the up/down buttons the alarm would again go off. If I
remember right, it was something like in 5 minutes. I don't remember if
that interval was adjustable.
Regards,
Alan
Teenagers; Tired
I have noticed that I can read a few status updates at a time, but there is
a work around. I swipe up once to show more status updates. It's no big
deal.
Liz Ulrich and Leader dog sammie
Grace Harbor Church Prayer chain coordinator
HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1
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How does this app differ from Tap Tap See etc?
Regards,
Alan
Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your parents? Act now! Move out. Get
a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my
Hi Karen,
Hmm! This could be another VO bug, perhaps. Before deciding this, perhaps
you could just keep VoiceOver on and slide your finger gently, quite slowly,
across the screen to find the Play button. Sometimes, when the buttons are
small, you only find them by going slowly. (Your
You work with a real person with this app. They can tell you how to hold the
camera so they can better see what you are trying to discover. Tap Tap See is
just a picture you send off to a crowd source and if you have only half of the
picture in the frame, they will have to describe it from what
Thanks. At least we have one happy customer today! Smiles
Seem to have had loads of emails asking questions and ...
Time to get off the computer very soon I think!
Carol P
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From: Karen Poulakos kpoula...@sbcglobal.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday,
windows live mail 2009
From: Isaac Hebert
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: exporting email acount on iPhone 5 how to do it?
Before adding the account.
What email program is he going to be using?
On Jan 15, 2015, at 6:43 PM,
They changed it, snooze is always turned on unless you turn it off and I hate
it. I always forget to edit and take it out and then wonder why every few
minutes my phone is making noise and generally I am nowhere near it to fix it.
I wish it was turned off with options to turn it on like it
Hi All,
I’m just wondering out loud here. How is be my eyes any different then Tap Tap
See etc. Be my eyes is free at the moment however if Tap Tap See was anything
to go by, this app will be abused as well by people taking all kinds of
pictures and mostly playing rather then real need. I
Nobody’s forcing you to use it. Different strokes for different folks. Use what
fits your needs the best. The more options the better. I’m a CamFind and
Goggles user. Wife’s also sighted so she’s my default label reader, but I’ll
give this new service a spin.
Always good to keep in mind
hi,
as for notes and bookmarks with the new verssion. I've not tried that yet.
as for email notifications maybe you cold alter that from withinthe ap on
your profile or maybe through the website through your profile again logging
in. I myself have few email notifications from uverssion
Oh, man do I miss my human label reader! Off to figure out if I can read a
prescription with anything at all.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 11:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be my
I don’t think Alan said he was being forced to use this. He was, in my mind,
wondering about whether people would use it for their entertainment rather than
for their actual needs. Of course, we don’t have control over that, but it
would be a shame if people took such advantage of this real
It varies in that you are working with a sighted person in real time. Tap Tap
See now charges for the service because the sighted workers are paid. These
are volunteers. I would not worry about this policy changing, because this
decision is up to those in charge, and I'm not about to jump
Hi,
Good luck Rose. I spent two days unexpedely in the hospital two weeks ago
and I thought up until that point that keeping everyone's medication in
exactly the same spot all the time was the perfect solution. It was not. One
person came in to help someone in the house out and moved everything
Apple said to hold special media event in February
by MacDailyNews
[cfsp key=adsense_336x280]Research, rumor and a timely update, inform us
that Apple will be holding a special event in February 2015, Mark Reschke
reports for T-GAAP. Exact timing is still unclear, but Tuesday, February 24th,
Rather than just a link, could you give some info so that list members can
decide whether they are interested or not before going elsewhere to find out?
Just a thought. Thanks.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:23 AM, Angelvoice angelvoi...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, all!
This app
I have the original Focus 40 blue, the one with the whiz wheels and want
to learn to use it with my 4S. I am writing in the hope that someone
will post a capsule synopsis of the pros and cons of using the Focus 40
with an IOS device. I seem to recall reading that other braille
displays
Hello,
Yesterday I needed to identify a hair product that DigitEyes would not pick up.
Since I had downloaded the app earlier in the day, I decided to give it a spin.
This app reminds me very much of VizWiz, but has taken object recognition to
the next level. The beauty of this app is that it
Ugh. I'll do that, though. It's better to be safe than sorry, after all.
Thanks,
Ari
On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:41 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote:
Yes. Change the password for your Apple ID and if you've used the old
password on other services change it on them also. NB: from a
Eileen, Thanks for this. Where did you find the podcast?
Neal
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be my eyes now available in the US App Store.
Hi Don,
The focus 40 Classic works great with the ipHone. All the iOS commands are
supported, and the Bluetooth conenction is very stable. Go for it.
Best,
Anna
On Jan 16, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Donald L. Roberts donald.robert...@gmail.com
wrote:
I have the original Focus 40 blue, the one
I have a new 6 and initially I was terrified it would go sailing out of my
hand. I didn't even use it for an entire day. I have a silicone case on it
now but will replace that one with one a bit thicker that has some kind of
padding in it. Once I got over my terror, though the 6 is very light and
I'm having trouble with mine. I think the main problem is that I don't know
what the heck I'm doing with it at the moment. Trying to send an Email to
myself as a test, when typing my Email address in the to field, I get
gibberish, so I delete it using the onscreen keyboard. Also figuring out
I just tried the app for the first time and found out that a package of vacuum
cleaner bags that I had are identical to the ones I just received in the mail.
Now, I have plenty. I also found out some things about my portable chess
computer that I did not know. The conversation went very
I use Mint daily. Not all of it is accessible but if you double click on the
Accounts button, you can flick down through all of your accounts. I like the
fact that Mint warns you of any out of the ordinary transactions, like the time
that I spent $1600 on travel when I usually spend an average
I think this app is the solution.
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Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: Merv Keck
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: Be my eyes now
AngelVoice's message already includes the following text This app was
created to help the blind and visually impaired to see with the help
of sighted volunteers. Sounds interesting. I think this is plenty of
information anyone needs before deciding to read the article. I don't
think people
What email service are they using and what application will they be
using on the PC? I assume they're using the Mail app on the iPhone. I'm
not sure what methods there are to export email account information from
an account on an iPhone and import that into an account on the PC, but
most email
When reading the message on my iPhone, that portion was not heard. I only
saw the link. That's why I responded as I did.
I did not ask for an elaborate review or for info pasted from a site. All I
asked for was a simple synopsis or a bit of info about the app. As for how
easily you can go
Hi all,
I have created a folder on my Mac of some apps, where the older version works
better. The xFinity app is a perfect example of this. I find the latest
version crashes on me often.
My question, is can I copy and paste the older app link to a friend?
Thanks,
Traci
--
The following
Hi, this app is been posted and has its own thread she just posted about it in
a different way and posted an article. The link will give you more information
just so you know.
Do you have a problem navigating social media? Do you find that email is the
best way to communicate, are you
Hi,
When I listened to the link I thought I heard it say be my eyes as parts of
the link so I assumed it was the app we've been hearing about for a couple
of days already.
Is this not so?
Dan Beaver
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From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
Hi all, and thank you so very very much for the much appreciated help with this
as I am very confused. Here are my questions: number one how do I navigate
through a document and how do I go from page to page. I tried to three finger
scroll up to get to the page numbers but it doesn't seem to
Obviously, I didn't know you didn't read the message you were replying
to. Now that you see what AngelVoice said about the link, do you still
think more information is necessary? Asking for more than the
description AngelVoice already provided does seem like you're asking for
more elaboration
Hi everyone.
I just received, earlier this week, a Harpo BraillePen 12 Touch, and,
although I've been using iDevices since IOS 4, and braille for most of my
life, this is my first time with a braille display, and I have a few
questions.
I got my device paired with no problem. However, when I
Yes, this is the same Be My Eyes app which is already being discussed on
list. As you said, it's pretty clear from the URL itself that it's the
same app, and AngelVoice's description also suggests this, although
AngelVoice may not have been aware of those other threads. Obviously,
following
they use hotmail and they will be using windows live mail 2009
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From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: exporting email acount on iPhone 5 how to do it?
What
Not sure if this applies to your braille display, but I know that I have to
turn the Bluetooth 40 that I have on, then turn the iPhone 5 on. When the
phone activates, it will be connected to, and be communicating with the braille
display.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 16, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Amy
Hello,
Yes, with the Braille Pen this is true. If you turn on the pen then unlock the
phone it will pair automatically. As for going to help mode. This happens here
too. I haven’t found a way of turning off. I can’t remember if pressing the
power button to lock the phone enables you to turn
Playing around is wonderful. A couple summers ago, I was camping with my
girlfriend. I wanted to take a picture of the campfire, and post it to
Facebook. If I had simply taken the picture without tap tab see, I would not
have known for sure what I had focused upon. Using tap tab see, I was able
Hi all.
I got this error when trying to connect to the first available helper.
Anyone else have this issue? If so how did you fix it
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Jen
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You can't share ios Apps with others regardless of whether they are the latest
versions or not.
Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 16, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I have created a folder on my Mac of some apps, where the older version works
Was the error message your subject line?
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you! really! are! finished!
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From: Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com
To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 5:17
Yes, sorry.
Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 16, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
Was the error message your subject line?
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you! really! are! finished!
- Original
Thank you so much Charles and Gina! That did the trick. I need to make sure
my screen is locked, turn on my BP12T, unlock my screen, and it pairs pretty
much immediately. I reverse the steps to unpair/power off my BP12T, and, when
I do that, it doesn’t dump me into help when I unlock my
Is that playing around?, or were you trying to confirm that what you were going
to send to FaceBook was what you wanted to send before it was too late? I
would say that what you did was not playing around.
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Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you!
Nothing more would be needed as far as what angel voice sent, but I stand by
my request to the list in general, which is what I was meaning to begin
with, that we should always provide information that will help others
determine their interest before they click on a link that they know nothing
If any of you braille mavins would write me off list and direct me to an
overview of ueb braille it would be super. IVe googled the subject but not
quite finding a simple isro
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Well I have a new Focus 14 Blue, my Christmas present, decided with job ending
in mid-March if I wanted it I’d better do it while I can.
So far, I managed to get it connected to the phone, other things are coming
slowly, finding trying to write either nothing shows up or it is full of
Hi Brian,
Ask and you shall receive:
http://www.brailleauthority.org/pressreleases/pr-2014-10-15.html
At the above link, you will find the contact info to request a copy of the UEB
Reader.
Kim will also send you a brf file so you can emboss more copies if you want.
I embossed one copy and it
Look up National Braille Press nbp.org . They have various guides. Also, search
for Unified English Braille on the web.
HtH,
Teresa
We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
On Jan 16, 2015, at 5:38 PM,
Hi,
You can either use dot 7 or a D chord. Both of these actors are backspace.
Cheers,
Brett.
Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
On 17 Jan 2015, at 12:41 pm, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
Well I have a new Focus 14 Blue, my Christmas present, decided with job
ending in mid-March if
I use mine all the time for reading books and writing. Just be aware that the
whiz wheels don't have the functionality you might expect. The left one moves
by increment in the rotor, and the right one does the equivalent of a Voiceover
right swipe with one finger. The reverse commands
Can you change what the wheels do by pressing on them?
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you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: Teresa Cochran
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:17 PM
Here's a page with specific commands, which also has a link to the more general
Braille commands. Also, Charles, in answer to your question: no, unfortunately.
http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202123
HtH,
Teresa
We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with
the
Thanks. This is very confusing to me to read, though. Here is a small example
that perhaps you can explain. It shows:
When using the Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue lpar;Classic modelrpar;
braille display with VoiceOver in iOS, you can use these device-specific
keys to navigate.
NewLine;
That is a web page with a table on it, I believe. If you pasted the text into a
text editor, it may have fouled things up. Try it using yh device. I may have
directed you to a mobile page, as my iPod is my only Internet device.
HtH,
Teresa
We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as
Test.
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