Re: IOS 13.3 bug

[Christopher Chaltain]

It hasn't. 13.1.3 is out now and 13.2 should be out next week. The 
reference to 13.3 was obviously a typo.



On 10/22/19 7:42 PM, 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone wrote:

 Excuse me for my ignorance, but when was iOS 13.3 released?



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Re: Twitterrific's Contex menu New Tweet item

[Christina]

Oh, I see now, you’re talking about from the home screen, not within the app. 
I’ll experiment and see if I am having the same problem. What about if you 
swipe up until you hear context menu? Does that work more reliably?

Christina

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> On Oct 22, 2019, at 4:56 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I think I understand what you are talking about. If you double tap and hold 
> on the Twitterrific icon on the home screen you are presented with the 
> context menu.
> 
> I too am seeing the same issues. This might be an iOS issue and not with 
> Twitterrific. I find if you double tap and hold on the icon instead of simply 
> double tapping and holding anywhere on the screen after the name is announced 
> it works more reliably.
> 
> Ed W.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> 
>> What I’m trying to say is that on iOS13, double-tap and hold brings up 
>> what’s called a context menu, right? Within that Context menu, yu now have 
>> an option “New Tweet” which isn’t reliable as I’d like, thus I changed back 
>> for the time being,while Twitterrific, fixes this issue, to Tweetings, in 
>> which the “New Tweet” rom the Context menu, is very reliable!
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
>> 
>>> El 20 oct 2019, a la(s) 10:43 p. m., Christina  
>>> escribió:
>>> 
>>> I don’t understand specifically what you are referring to. Are you talking 
>>> about the 2 finger tap that brings up the compose tweet thing or something 
>>> else? I am having a lot of problems when on a tweet and I flick down until 
>>> I hear more options. When I double tap, it does all kinds of weird stuff 
>>> and I have to explore by touch or sometimes even close a window to get to 
>>> those options like muffle, mute, etc.
>>> 
>>> Christina
>>> 
> On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:09 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Is it only me, or do you'll who use Twitterrific find that its New Tweet 
> Contex menu item isn't that reliable to work with? I'd say maybe out of 5 
> times, maybe 2 or 3 at the most, brings you to the edit field where you 
> can start tweeting. I'm using Twitterrific's latest, as well as iOS's 
> latest if this helps any.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
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Re: IOS 13.3 bug

['Bill Gallik' via VIPhone]

 Excuse me for my ignorance, but when was iOS 13.3 released?



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RE: Media Playback Automatically Resumes when Headset or Bluetooth Device Connected to iOS 13.x with or without Voiceover

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I just tried your second scenario with my iPhone 8 which is on 13.1.3 and I 
can't reproduce this.
I tried it with Audible as well as with the music app, exactly reproduced your 
steps and after 20 minutes each time playback did not resume.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Media Playback Automatically Resumes when Headset or Bluetooth Device 
Connected to iOS 13.x with or without VoiceOver

Hello All,

I will attempt to be as succinct as possible:

Scenario 1:
1.
Enter vehicle,.
2.
Connect iOS 13.x device to car stereo system via Bluetooth.  VoiceOver has 
never been enabled on this particular iOS 13.x device at any time during its 
history.
3.
Open media playback app such as Apple Music, Apple Books, Audible, etc.  
4.
Begin playback.
5.
Stop playback and lock iOS 13.x device.
6.
In less than 10 minutes or so, media playback automatically resumes.

Scenario 2:
1.
Enable VoiceOver on iOS 13.x device.
2.
Connect included wired Apple EarPods to iOS 13.x device.
3.
Open media playback app such as BARD Mobile, Apple Music, Audible, etc.  
4.
Begin playback.
5.
Stop playback and lock iOS 13.x device.
6.
In less than 10 minutes or so, media playback automatically resumes.

The only way I have found to prevent this automatic resumption of playback is 
to disconnect the included wired Apple EarPods from my iOS 13.x device.

I believe this subject has been discussed, on-list, but cannot be certain so 
thought I would post.  This is an extremely annoying bug that, for the first 
time in my experience, is not limited to those of us using VoiceOver.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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off topic: looking for an accessible dvd player

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I have permission from Mark to post the following:

I am looking for an accessible DVD player and know this list contains many
people with diverse experiences. I know there are many accessible models
including Phillips-the brand I am most interested in. The question I am
asking is; do any of the accessible models you know about speak the dvd
title information while navigating the dvd menu. I have a model where the
buttons speak but what I need is title information. I don't expect the
actual title name to speak but something like "Title 1", "Title 2", etc. I
would appreciate any information you might have and please post to me
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Re: Disgusted with Braille in IOS 13.1.3

[Tom Lange]

> 
> Hi
> Most of the text editing that I do on the phone is in the native mail app or 
> on Facebook app.  Cursor routing is an issue,  VO gets sluggish and can 
> crash, and losing focus is also a problem. It’s driving me nuts. I haven’t 
> seen Braille getting this flakey in years. 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Sharonda Greenlaw  wrote:
> 
> I would say the biggest problem I see is not being able to route the
> cursor using my braille display. Now, I always have to use VO to make
> sure that it is on the correct line; then I can route the cursor. But
> it's a royal pain.
> 
> On 10/22/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
> tom,
> When you say long text editing, what app are you in?
> Are you talking text messages, or other apps?
> Knowing that would help trying to ,duplicate the issue.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
> it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
> Wagner
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2019, at 10:22 AM, "kheve...@earthlink.net"
>  wrote:
> 
> Tom, I have not taken the plunge to ios 13 because I understand there are
> many problems with braille devices.  So, am trying to hold off till those
> bugs are fixed.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Tom Lange
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:50 AM
> To: vi-phone list 
> Subject: Disgusted with Braille in IOS 13.1.3
> 
> Hi,
> I’m using a Braille Sense U2 with an iphone 8 running IOS 13.1.3 and I’m
> really disgusted with how this combination is working, particularly when it
> comes to doing any kind of lengthy text editing. Cursor routing becomes
> erratic. Voiceover can slow down and crash. It’s just awful. I could go into
> detail, but VO will probably give me trouble while I do so. Anybody else out
> there having trouble with Braille displays in IOs 13?
> Tom
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Facebook

['deidre muccio' via VIPhone]

Hello all
In the last day I managed to upload some photos to Facebook using my PC. Now
when I go back to either albums I created or ones that have been there for
awhile, the individual pictures won't show. It may say Timeline Photos and
how many pictures are in there, or the name of a photo album, but when I hit
on that or "see all photos" I am not in the usual area where there is the
picture, a place for the caption, comments on the photos, and a next and
previous buttons.
Using the Facebook App with voice over I can select a particular Tab such as
Albums or Uploads but only one picture is described. If I tap on it it will
open with whatever information is associated with it. From there it will say
1 of 11 photos but I don't know how to get to the next picture. Does anyone
know? 
I'll look again for a setting on my phone for preferences having to
pictures and videos, but when I did that yesterday, I didn't see anything
that would be useful for accessing them or changing the privacy setting for
my photos.
I am hoping not to have to employ more sighted help.

Thanks in advance for anyone who can help that is well versed in the
part of their profile page that has all their photos.

Deidre

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instant pot wifi app

[Vicki W.]

I downloaded what I was told was the wifi app for my wifi instant pot, but when 
I went to register and set it up, it asked to connect via blue tooth, not wifi. 
I can't find an app which says wifi for the instant pot, so what is the wifi 
version called in the app store?

Vicki

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Re: 1Password or LastPass?

[Matthew Bullis]

Is there anything you wouldn't use this program for? Would you use this to 
create your Apple id password? That is about the only thing that I would say 
you might not want to use this for, since you probably couldn't get to the 
password field before you needed to log in.
Matthew


On Oct 22, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:

I also would go for 1Password. I don't pay for it. I just use it on my iPhone. 

On Oct 22, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:

Additionally you can put the app on your Apple watch and then bring over 
things that you might need on a regular basis ..

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Merritt
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 1Password or LastPass?

There is a subscription cost for 1Password, but it is to be able to access your 
passwords across several operating systems. At one time, there was a $10 US 
in-app purchase within the app which offers more categories, such as driver's 
license, wireless routers, and others.
That is a 1 time purchase. I haven't bothered with the subscription since I 
only use it on my iPhone. If I want to get a password on  my Window computer, I 
will copy it from the phone. I have gotten the in-app purchase and have found 
it helpful. It can take a while to set up all of the passwords and other 
information in 1Password, but it is well worth it and totally accessible. For 
my limited use, I haven't come across any accessibility issues. The in-app 
purchase also lets you set up multiple password vaults, which could be for 
home, work, etc.

Wayne

On 10/22/19, Agent086b  wrote:
Hi,
have been using Lastpass for many years on Mac & iPhone with no 
accessibility problems.
Max.

On 23 Oct 2019, at 4:09 am, Cristobal Muñoz 
wrote:

When I was looking into a PW manager a few years ago, at that time, 
the general consensus was that 1Password was more accessible. I don't 
know if Lastpass has done anything to make it's service more 
accessible, but 1Password's been working fine for me on my iPhone and 
PCs. They're also pretty responsive to accessibility concerns and 
work to address whatever issues may pop up from time to time.
As far as pricing... Well, in my opinion, I don't find it to be hefty 
for the convenience and peace of mind that it provides at all, but 
that's going to depend from person to person I suppose.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: 1Password or LastPass?

Which of these two apps does everyone prefer? I’ve heard great things 
about 1Password, but it looks like there’s a hefty subscription fee 
which I’m not crazy about.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: 1Password or LastPass?

[Maria Reyes]

I also would go for 1Password. I don't pay for it. I just use it on my iPhone. 

> On Oct 22, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
> 
> Additionally you can put the app on your Apple watch and then bring over 
> things that you might need on a regular basis ..
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
> Merritt
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 4:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 1Password or LastPass?
> 
> There is a subscription cost for 1Password, but it is to be able to access 
> your passwords across several operating systems. At one time, there was a $10 
> US in-app purchase within the app which offers more categories, such as 
> driver's license, wireless routers, and others.
> That is a 1 time purchase. I haven't bothered with the subscription since I 
> only use it on my iPhone. If I want to get a password on  my Window computer, 
> I will copy it from the phone. I have gotten the in-app purchase and have 
> found it helpful. It can take a while to set up all of the passwords and 
> other information in 1Password, but it is well worth it and totally 
> accessible. For my limited use, I haven't come across any accessibility 
> issues. The in-app purchase also lets you set up multiple password vaults, 
> which could be for home, work, etc.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 10/22/19, Agent086b  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> have been using Lastpass for many years on Mac & iPhone with no 
>> accessibility problems.
>> Max.
>> 
>>> On 23 Oct 2019, at 4:09 am, Cristobal Muñoz 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I was looking into a PW manager a few years ago, at that time, 
>>> the general consensus was that 1Password was more accessible. I don't 
>>> know if Lastpass has done anything to make it's service more 
>>> accessible, but 1Password's been working fine for me on my iPhone and 
>>> PCs. They're also pretty responsive to accessibility concerns and 
>>> work to address whatever issues may pop up from time to time.
>>> As far as pricing... Well, in my opinion, I don't find it to be hefty 
>>> for the convenience and peace of mind that it provides at all, but 
>>> that's going to depend from person to person I suppose.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of kelby carlson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:02 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: 1Password or LastPass?
>>> 
>>> Which of these two apps does everyone prefer? I’ve heard great things 
>>> about 1Password, but it looks like there’s a hefty subscription fee 
>>> which I’m not crazy about.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Twitterrific's Contex menu New Tweet item

[Ed Worrell]

Hello,

I think I understand what you are talking about. If you double tap and hold on 
the Twitterrific icon on the home screen you are presented with the context 
menu.

I too am seeing the same issues. This might be an iOS issue and not with 
Twitterrific. I find if you double tap and hold on the icon instead of simply 
double tapping and holding anywhere on the screen after the name is announced 
it works more reliably.

Ed W.
 

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> What I’m trying to say is that on iOS13, double-tap and hold brings up what’s 
> called a context menu, right? Within that Context menu, yu now have an option 
> “New Tweet” which isn’t reliable as I’d like, thus I changed back for the 
> time being,while Twitterrific, fixes this issue, to Tweetings, in which the 
> “New Tweet” rom the Context menu, is very reliable!
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
> 
>> El 20 oct 2019, a la(s) 10:43 p. m., Christina  
>> escribió:
>> 
>> I don’t understand specifically what you are referring to. Are you talking 
>> about the 2 finger tap that brings up the compose tweet thing or something 
>> else? I am having a lot of problems when on a tweet and I flick down until I 
>> hear more options. When I double tap, it does all kinds of weird stuff and I 
>> have to explore by touch or sometimes even close a window to get to those 
>> options like muffle, mute, etc.
>> 
>> Christina
>> 
>>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:09 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is it only me, or do you'll who use Twitterrific find that its New Tweet 
>>> Contex menu item isn't that reliable to work with? I'd say maybe out of 5 
>>> times, maybe 2 or 3 at the most, brings you to the edit field where you can 
>>> start tweeting. I'm using Twitterrific's latest, as well as iOS's latest if 
>>> this helps any.
>>> 
>>> Gera
>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
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Re: IOS 13.3 bug

[Richard Turner]

About 6 to 12 seconds.
It depends on how you count I guess.




Richard
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:46 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

Now, on the
SE, about how long should the Power and Home Buttons be held to get reset?

Best regards,

Carolyn


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keao wright
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.3 bug

Ok, thank you!

I will give it a try again.

I hope it comes back!

Did you also turn the volume up all the way?



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 13.3 bug



Either way, if it doesn't come back, plug it in to power and see if it comes on.

I have had it happen where I held the button too long and it powered off.

But the timing is also important.

Fairly quickly press and release the volume up, then press and release the 
volume down, then hold in the power/side switch for 10 or 12 seconds.

Like I said, if you have earphones in, you may hear a faint click.

If all else fails, you may need to get sighted help to confirm if it is on and 
silent or just off.

HTH,







Richard

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   On Oct 21, 2019, at 9:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

   

   Hi Richard,



   Yes, I also noticed that faint click when a headset is connected, but on my 
iPhone 8 it’s at least 10 seconds, I have never had it as fast as 6 or 8.

   I think 12 is a safe bet and not so long that it interferes with the phone 
restarting.



   From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Keao 
wright
   Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 9:07 PM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
   Subject: RE: IOS 13.3 bug



   When I tried to do the hard reset, it’s not working on my 8 at all.

   And I might need to take it down to t-mobile again.

   Is there a way for accessibility to take a look?

   I didn’t have any headphones connected.



   From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
   Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 5:53 PM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
   Subject: Re: IOS 13.3 bug



   I'm fairly sure the X phones and 11's use the same steps as the 8, but 
someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

   In my experience it only takes 6 to 8 seconds. If you have an earphone in, 
you can hear a faint click when it reboots.







   Richard

   "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."

   -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane 
Wagner





   On Oct 21, 2019, at 8:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

   I recommend a hard reset, but it depends on  your device as to how you 
accomplish it.
   On the iPhone 6S and prior you push and hold the home button and side 
button simultaneously for about 12 seconds.
   On the iPhone 8 you push volume up, then volume down and then push and 
hold the side button for about 12 seconds.
   Not sure how it works on the iPhone X, XR/XS and 11/11S


   -Original Message-
   From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Keao 
wright
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   To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
   Subject: IOS 13.3 bug

   Hi,
   My phone is silent now, I lost all speech and sounds.
   Should I get a sighted person to do a had reset?
   It's the same bug where you end a call and voice over goes away so does 
siri and sounds.
   How do I reboot the phone again?
   I only feel vibrations again.

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Re: Voicedream reader, and folders

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello all,


Thank you to Anna and Richard for the help. I really appreciate it. All 
is good now. I have it how I want it.


Thanks again,


Terri

On 10/22/2019 2:49 PM, Anna Dresner wrote:
> Hi Terri,
>
> To see only the files in a particular folder, choose Filter, and then choose 
> folder, then the folder you want. You can set voice dream Reader to start 
> playing the next file automatically when it finishes the first one. To do 
> that, open a file, and then double-tap the Controls button. Double-tap 
> Reading Mode, and then double-tap Stop at End of Document.
>
> HTH,
> Anna
>
>
>
>
>> On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Terri Stimmel  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>
>> I have a quick question about VoiceDream reader, and folders.
>>
>>
>> First of all, I use this App all the time, and love it! I use it a lot
>> for importing my audiobooks from Dropbox, in to the App. This way if the
>> files are not unzipped, I can still enjoy them.
>>
>>
>> However, a lot of my files are unzipped. Some are even in folders. I've
>> noticed twice now when I have imported a file, that I have had problems.
>> I kept getting a folder empty message.
>>
>>
>> So I ended up uploading all 8 files of the book, individually. Then I
>> created a folder within Voicedream. I can see all the files, but they
>> are all listed with my other files. I can't seem to see the folder I
>> created. And even though I sent the files to the folder, I can't seem to
>> figure out if they are in there.
>>
>>
>> Have I possibly done something wrong?
>>
>> Has anyone else ever experienced this?
>>
>> Also, if I have files in a folder, will they play 1 right after the other?
>>
>>
>> Any help would be wonderful!
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> Terri
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Re: Bluetooth app for Instant Pot is not working in v13.1.3

[Mary Otten]

My instant pot is paired with a 7+ which is currently running 13.2 beta. I’m 
not having any problem there. And it seems to me I did also use it on some 
version of 13.1, I think it was 13.1.2 but I’m not sure. I have not experienced 
any issues with it.


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> I hope someone can help with my issue.
> Has anyone else experienced problems with their Instant Pot Bluetooth app in 
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> Hope someone has a solution.
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Re: Bluetooth app for Instant Pot is not working in v13.1.3

[Yolanda Thompson]

I have used my bt instant pot quite a bit since 13.3 with no issues.
Did you try forgetting the device and re-pairing it to the pot?

On 10/22/19, Cristobal Muñoz  wrote:
> I actually haven’t used it since I updated my XR. Now I’m going to have to
> give it a spin.
>
> On a side note, it looks like the Instant Pot app had an update today. For
> connectivity issues with the smart wifi model and “other improvements”.
> Whatever that means.
>
> Perhaps owners of the wifi model can try it out and report back as well.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri
> Hedgpeth
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Bluetooth app for Instant Pot is not working in v13.1.3
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I hope someone can help with my issue.
>
> Has anyone else experienced problems with their Instant Pot Bluetooth app in
> the new 13.1.3? Since they quict making the Bluetooth model a couple years
> ago, they may not bother updating the app.
>
> Hope someone has a solution.
>
> Best,
>
> Terri Hedgpeth
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RE: 1Password or LastPass?

[Peter Logan]

Additionally you can put the app on your Apple watch and then bring over things 
that you might need on a regular basis ..

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Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 4:41 PM
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There is a subscription cost for 1Password, but it is to be able to access your 
passwords across several operating systems. At one time, there was a $10 US 
in-app purchase within the app which offers more categories, such as driver's 
license, wireless routers, and others.
That is a 1 time purchase. I haven't bothered with the subscription since I 
only use it on my iPhone. If I want to get a password on  my Window computer, I 
will copy it from the phone. I have gotten the in-app purchase and have found 
it helpful. It can take a while to set up all of the passwords and other 
information in 1Password, but it is well worth it and totally accessible. For 
my limited use, I haven't come across any accessibility issues. The in-app 
purchase also lets you set up multiple password vaults, which could be for 
home, work, etc.

Wayne

On 10/22/19, Agent086b  wrote:
> Hi,
> have been using Lastpass for many years on Mac & iPhone with no 
> accessibility problems.
> Max.
>
>> On 23 Oct 2019, at 4:09 am, Cristobal Muñoz 
>> wrote:
>>
>> When I was looking into a PW manager a few years ago, at that time, 
>> the general consensus was that 1Password was more accessible. I don't 
>> know if Lastpass has done anything to make it's service more 
>> accessible, but 1Password's been working fine for me on my iPhone and 
>> PCs. They're also pretty responsive to accessibility concerns and 
>> work to address whatever issues may pop up from time to time.
>> As far as pricing... Well, in my opinion, I don't find it to be hefty 
>> for the convenience and peace of mind that it provides at all, but 
>> that's going to depend from person to person I suppose.
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: 1Password or LastPass?
>>
>> Which of these two apps does everyone prefer? I’ve heard great things 
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>> which I’m not crazy about.
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Re: Disgusted with Braille in IOS 13.1.3

[Sharonda Greenlaw]

I would say the biggest problem I see is not being able to route the
cursor using my braille display. Now, I always have to use VO to make
sure that it is on the correct line; then I can route the cursor. But
it's a royal pain.

On 10/22/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
> tom,
> When you say long text editing, what app are you in?
> Are you talking text messages, or other apps?
> Knowing that would help trying to ,duplicate the issue.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
> it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
> Wagner
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>
> On Oct 22, 2019, at 10:22 AM, "kheve...@earthlink.net"
>  wrote:
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> Tom, I have not taken the plunge to ios 13 because I understand there are
> many problems with braille devices.  So, am trying to hold off till those
> bugs are fixed.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Disgusted with Braille in IOS 13.1.3
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> Hi,
> I’m using a Braille Sense U2 with an iphone 8 running IOS 13.1.3 and I’m
> really disgusted with how this combination is working, particularly when it
> comes to doing any kind of lengthy text editing. Cursor routing becomes
> erratic. Voiceover can slow down and crash. It’s just awful. I could go into
> detail, but VO will probably give me trouble while I do so. Anybody else out
> there having trouble with Braille displays in IOs 13?
> Tom
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RE: IOS 13.3 bug

[Keao wright]

Ah interesting.
Butt how can you tell which button is the off one for powering it off with out 
speech?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.3 bug

Sometimes, I just have to turn mine off. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keao wright
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 11:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.3 bug

Ok, thanks, I have the Iphone 8
I don't hear speech on up yet, but I will try it again.
I don't want to also trigger the emergency people.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 5:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.3 bug

I recommend a hard reset, but it depends on  your device as to how you 
accomplish it.
On the iPhone 6S and prior you push and hold the home button and side button 
simultaneously for about 12 seconds.
On the iPhone 8 you push volume up, then volume down and then push and hold the 
side button for about 12 seconds.
Not sure how it works on the iPhone X, XR/XS and 11/11S


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Keao 
wright
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS 13.3 bug

Hi,
My phone is silent now, I lost all speech and sounds.
Should I get a sighted person to do a had reset?
It's the same bug where you end a call and voice over goes away so does siri 
and sounds.
How do I reboot the phone again?
I only feel vibrations again.

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RE: IOS 13.3 bug

[Carolyn Arnold]

Now, on the 
SE, about how long should the Power and Home Buttons be held to get reset? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keao wright
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.3 bug

Ok, thank you!

I will give it a try again.

I hope it comes back!

Did you also turn the volume up all the way?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 13.3 bug

 

Either way, if it doesn't come back, plug it in to power and see if it comes 
on. 

I have had it happen where I held the button too long and it powered off.

But the timing is also important.

Fairly quickly press and release the volume up, then press and release the 
volume down, then hold in the power/side switch for 10 or 12 seconds.

Like I said, if you have earphones in, you may hear a faint click.

If all else fails, you may need to get sighted help to confirm if it is on and 
silent or just off.

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 





On Oct 21, 2019, at 9:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Hi Richard,

 

Yes, I also noticed that faint click when a headset is connected, but 
on my iPhone 8 it’s at least 10 seconds, I have never had it as fast as 6 or 8.

I think 12 is a safe bet and not so long that it interferes with the 
phone restarting.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Keao 
wright
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 9:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: IOS 13.3 bug

 

When I tried to do the hard reset, it’s not working on my 8 at all.

And I might need to take it down to t-mobile again.

Is there a way for accessibility to take a look?

I didn’t have any headphones connected.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 5:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IOS 13.3 bug

 

I'm fairly sure the X phones and 11's use the same steps as the 8, but 
someone will correct me if I'm wrong. 

In my experience it only takes 6 to 8 seconds. If you have an earphone 
in, you can hear a faint click when it reboots.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by 
Jane Wagner

 

 

On Oct 21, 2019, at 8:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

I recommend a hard reset, but it depends on  your device as to 
how you accomplish it.
On the iPhone 6S and prior you push and hold the home button 
and side button simultaneously for about 12 seconds.
On the iPhone 8 you push volume up, then volume down and then 
push and hold the side button for about 12 seconds.
Not sure how it works on the iPhone X, XR/XS and 11/11S


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Keao wright
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: IOS 13.3 bug

Hi,
My phone is silent now, I lost all speech and sounds.
Should I get a sighted person to do a had reset?
It's the same bug where you end a call and voice over goes away 
so does siri and sounds.
How do I reboot the phone again?
I only feel vibrations again.

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RE: IOS 13.3 bug

[Carolyn Arnold]

Sometimes, I just have to turn mine off. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keao wright
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 11:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.3 bug

Ok, thanks, I have the Iphone 8
I don't hear speech on up yet, but I will try it again.
I don't want to also trigger the emergency people.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 5:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.3 bug

I recommend a hard reset, but it depends on  your device as to how you 
accomplish it.
On the iPhone 6S and prior you push and hold the home button and side button 
simultaneously for about 12 seconds.
On the iPhone 8 you push volume up, then volume down and then push and hold the 
side button for about 12 seconds.
Not sure how it works on the iPhone X, XR/XS and 11/11S


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Keao 
wright
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS 13.3 bug

Hi,
My phone is silent now, I lost all speech and sounds.
Should I get a sighted person to do a had reset?
It's the same bug where you end a call and voice over goes away so does siri 
and sounds.
How do I reboot the phone again?
I only feel vibrations again.

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RE: IOS 13.3 bug

[Carolyn Arnold]

Accessibility can screen share, if you are in iCloud. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Keao wright
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.3 bug

When I tried to do the hard reset, it’s not working on my 8 at all.

And I might need to take it down to t-mobile again.

Is there a way for accessibility to take a look?

I didn’t have any headphones connected.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 5:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 13.3 bug

 

I'm fairly sure the X phones and 11's use the same steps as the 8, but someone 
will correct me if I'm wrong. 

In my experience it only takes 6 to 8 seconds. If you have an earphone in, you 
can hear a faint click when it reboots.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 





On Oct 21, 2019, at 8:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

I recommend a hard reset, but it depends on  your device as to how you 
accomplish it.
On the iPhone 6S and prior you push and hold the home button and side 
button simultaneously for about 12 seconds.
On the iPhone 8 you push volume up, then volume down and then push and 
hold the side button for about 12 seconds.
Not sure how it works on the iPhone X, XR/XS and 11/11S


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Keao 
wright
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: IOS 13.3 bug

Hi,
My phone is silent now, I lost all speech and sounds.
Should I get a sighted person to do a had reset?
It's the same bug where you end a call and voice over goes away so does 
siri and sounds.
How do I reboot the phone again?
I only feel vibrations again.

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RE: Bluetooth app for Instant Pot is not working in v13.1.3

[Cristobal Muñoz]

I actually haven’t used it since I updated my XR. Now I’m going to have to give 
it a spin.

On a side note, it looks like the Instant Pot app had an update today. For 
connectivity issues with the smart wifi model and “other improvements”. 
Whatever that means.

Perhaps owners of the wifi model can try it out and report back as well.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Hedgpeth
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bluetooth app for Instant Pot is not working in v13.1.3

 

Hello all,

I hope someone can help with my issue.

Has anyone else experienced problems with their Instant Pot Bluetooth app in 
the new 13.1.3? Since they quict making the Bluetooth model a couple years ago, 
they may not bother updating the app.

Hope someone has a solution.

Best,

Terri Hedgpeth

 

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Re: 1Password or LastPass?

[Wayne Merritt]

There is a subscription cost for 1Password, but it is to be able to
access your passwords across several operating systems. At one time,
there was a $10 US in-app purchase within the app which offers more
categories, such as driver's license, wireless routers, and others.
That is a 1 time purchase. I haven't bothered with the subscription
since I only use it on my iPhone. If I want to get a password on  my
Window computer, I will copy it from the phone. I have gotten the
in-app purchase and have found it helpful. It can take a while to set
up all of the passwords and other information in 1Password, but it is
well worth it and totally accessible. For my limited use, I haven't
come across any accessibility issues. The in-app purchase also lets
you set up multiple password vaults, which could be for home, work,
etc.

Wayne

On 10/22/19, Agent086b  wrote:
> Hi,
> have been using Lastpass for many years on Mac & iPhone with no
> accessibility problems.
> Max.
>
>> On 23 Oct 2019, at 4:09 am, Cristobal Muñoz 
>> wrote:
>>
>> When I was looking into a PW manager a few years ago, at that time, the
>> general consensus was that 1Password was more accessible. I don't know if
>> Lastpass has done anything to make it's service more accessible, but
>> 1Password's been working fine for me on my iPhone and PCs. They're also
>> pretty responsive to accessibility concerns and work to address whatever
>> issues may pop up from time to time.
>> As far as pricing... Well, in my opinion, I don't find it to be hefty for
>> the convenience and peace of
>> mind that it provides at all, but that's going to depend from person to
>> person I suppose.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> kelby carlson
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:02 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: 1Password or LastPass?
>>
>> Which of these two apps does everyone prefer? I’ve heard great things
>> about 1Password, but it looks like there’s a hefty subscription fee which
>> I’m not crazy about.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Bluetooth app for Instant Pot is not working in v13.1.3

[Robert Wright]

Have you called them and reminded them that the Smart cooker app needs to be 
updated as well?

**My drinking team has a bowling problem.
    

From: Terri Hedgpeth
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bluetooth app for Instant Pot is not working in v13.1.3

Hello all,
I hope someone can help with my issue.
Has anyone else experienced problems with their Instant Pot Bluetooth app in 
the new 13.1.3? Since they quict making the Bluetooth model a couple years ago, 
they may not bother updating the app.
Hope someone has a solution.
Best,
Terri Hedgpeth

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Re: 1Password or LastPass?

[Agent086b]

Hi,
have been using Lastpass for many years on Mac & iPhone with no accessibility 
problems.
Max. 

> On 23 Oct 2019, at 4:09 am, Cristobal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> When I was looking into a PW manager a few years ago, at that time, the 
> general consensus was that 1Password was more accessible. I don't know if 
> Lastpass has done anything to make it's service more accessible, but 
> 1Password's been working fine for me on my iPhone and PCs. They're also 
> pretty responsive to accessibility concerns and work to address whatever 
> issues may pop up from time to time. 
> As far as pricing... Well, in my opinion, I don't find it to be hefty for the 
> convenience and peace of 
> mind that it provides at all, but that's going to depend from person to 
> person I suppose. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
> carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: 1Password or LastPass?
> 
> Which of these two apps does everyone prefer? I’ve heard great things about 
> 1Password, but it looks like there’s a hefty subscription fee which I’m not 
> crazy about.
> 
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Re: I never meant to update.

[Dave]

you can’t go back, after updating, as apple will have stopped signing the older 
versions.

Dave.


From: Duane Steele 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 8:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: I never meant to update.

  Hello Richard, 
  I fixed the Braille issue easily enough.  I just can't figure out how my 
phone updated when I had the setting activated that would not allow automatic 
updates.  Kind of scary.  BI'm getting used to it.  I figure there's no sense 
in going back.  I'll get used to it, and hope the bugs get ironed out in due 
course.



  Peace & Blessings,
  Duane L. Steele
  Phone (276) 730-5194

  On Oct 22, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

   Dwayne,
  Did you find the place in the VoiceOver braille settings where you can adjust 
which braille table is being used?
  And, no one can easily get to the status bar with any keyboard.
  You just have to touch the screen until they fix it.




  Richard
  "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
  -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane 
Wagner


  On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Duane Steele  wrote:

  
  Thanks Dave.  But now that it's done I'm adjusting to it.  After all, 
there'll come a time when we all have to use it.  There are bugs and issues, 
and with the help of folks on this list, I'll work them out.  One thing I 
noticed immediately was that the braille table had automatically gone to UEB 
braille, and I'm still happier with the standard Us Braille system when writing 
with my BrailleEdge.  It's also harder to just get to the status bar.  In fact, 
with the Braille device, it can't be done, and that's frustrating.  I won't 
turn back the clock.  I'll just forge ahead with all the others on this list 
who have updated their Apple devices.


  Peace & Blessings,
  Duane L. Steele
  Phone (276) 730-5194

  On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Dave  wrote:

  
  Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and 
swiping to iPhone storage.

  There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will 
have the option to delete it.

  It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it.

  Dave.


  From: janet gross
  Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: I never meant to update.

  Hi Duane and All,
  Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me 
just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off.  When I 
turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, and 
I had no option to cancel.  I turned the phone off, and waited, and turned it 
back on, but still the update was downloading!  I was furious!  I think this is 
very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am concerned, this should 
not be allowed!  Although, doesn’t all the updates automatically download, but 
we have the option to install by accepting the license agreement or not.  
Hopefully someone will chime in on my question.  After the download, a few days 
later is when I got the first notification to install the update, so I did not 
accept the license agreement, so it has not installed on my phone.  Although, 
it is still there waiting for me to accept the license agreement, and I have no 
intentions of updating just yet.  Has anyone noticed the size of this update? 
It is a little over 2 gigs!  So next time we think about buying an iPhone, we 
might have to pay more money to get more space on our phones!  If someone 
doesn’t want the newest update, that should be their right, so please people 
try and understand some people just don’t ask for trouble!  Now, I’m sure Apple 
had good intentions when releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that 
way, and I’m sure Apple knows that!  Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give 
their findings to Apple before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t 
Apple listen to their baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after 
an update, and I call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have 
one, so the main problem is not corrected!   
  Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after 
the update, and that seems to be a little odd! 
  Janet


  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Duane Steele
  Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: I never meant to update.

  Hello iPhone Friends,

  Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something 
wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8.  With all the recent flack I'd read and 
heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating.  I checked my 
settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off.  You 
can now guess where this is going.  I awoke this morning and looked at the time 
on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight 

Re: I never meant to update.

[Dave]

absolutely.

If you accidentally tap on the incorrect button, it will update over night.

I think it's always better, to delete the downloaded update.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: janet gross

Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I never meant to update.

Hi Josh,
When I got my first iPhone, and when I got a notification I had an update, I 
tapped on the later option, and sure enough the phone did download the very 
next time I turned on my phone!  My point, be very careful if you don't want 
to update right now, about the later option though.

Janet

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I never meant to update.

I'll delete my update again.  I think 2 gigs for an update is rather
large myself.  I just always go to not now, and remind me later.
Hopefully, my phone won't update by itself.

On 10/22/19, janet gross  wrote:

HI Dave,
Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps.
Thank you thank you!
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I never meant to update.

Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general,
and swiping to iPhone storage.

There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will
have the option to delete it.

It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it.

Dave.


From: janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I never meant to update.

Hi Duane and All,
Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me
just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off.  When I
turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading,
and I had no option to cancel.  I turned the phone off, and waited, and
turned it back on, but still the update was downloading!  I was furious! 
I

think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am
concerned, this should not be allowed!  Although, doesn’t all the updates
automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the
license agreement or not.  Hopefully someone will chime in on my question.
After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification 
to
install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has 
not
installed on my phone.  Although, it is still there waiting for me to 
accept

the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet.  Has
anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs!  So 
next
time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to 
get

more space on our phones!  If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that
should be their right, so please people try and understand some people 
just

don’t ask for trouble!  Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when
releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure 
Apple

knows that!  Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple
before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their
baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I
call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the 
main

problem is not corrected!
Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues
after the update, and that seems to be a little odd!
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Duane Steele
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I never meant to update.


Hello iPhone Friends,



Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something
wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8.  With all the recent flack I'd read
and heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating.  I
checked my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been
turned off.  You can now guess where this is going.  I awoke this morning
and looked at the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated 
overnight

without my consent.  I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances
in artificial intelligence, my phone made its own decision, and now, I'm
stuck with having to reorient myself to lots of new features I don't know
anything about.  Is there a reasonable explanation for why this would have
happened.  Well, now I'll take up the challenge and learn to adapt to the
update.  But I have to wonder why I had no choice.



Peace & Blessings,
Duane L. Steele
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Bluetooth app for Instant Pot is not working in v13.1.3

[Terri Hedgpeth]

Hello all,

I hope someone can help with my issue.

Has anyone else experienced problems with their Instant Pot Bluetooth app in
the new 13.1.3? Since they quict making the Bluetooth model a couple years
ago, they may not bother updating the app.

Hope someone has a solution.

Best,

Terri Hedgpeth

 

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Media Playback Automatically Resumes when Headset or Bluetooth Device Connected to iOS 13.x with or without VoiceOver

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

I will attempt to be as succinct as possible:

Scenario 1:
1.
Enter vehicle,.
2.
Connect iOS 13.x device to car stereo system via Bluetooth.  VoiceOver has
never been enabled on this particular iOS 13.x device at any time during its
history.
3.
Open media playback app such as Apple Music, Apple Books, Audible, etc.  
4.
Begin playback.
5.
Stop playback and lock iOS 13.x device.
6.
In less than 10 minutes or so, media playback automatically resumes.

Scenario 2:
1.
Enable VoiceOver on iOS 13.x device.
2.
Connect included wired Apple EarPods to iOS 13.x device.
3.
Open media playback app such as BARD Mobile, Apple Music, Audible, etc.  
4.
Begin playback.
5.
Stop playback and lock iOS 13.x device.
6.
In less than 10 minutes or so, media playback automatically resumes.

The only way I have found to prevent this automatic resumption of playback
is to disconnect the included wired Apple EarPods from my iOS 13.x device.

I believe this subject has been discussed, on-list, but cannot be certain so
thought I would post.  This is an extremely annoying bug that, for the first
time in my experience, is not limited to those of us using VoiceOver.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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Re: Voicedream reader, and folders

[Richard Turner]

There is no quick answer to your question.
Do you know how to use the Filter by that is next to the Add button?
If you have real folders in VDR, you first would double tap on the filters, 
then the by folder, then the folder you want.
If your files are in that folder, you will see them there and no other files.
If you have individual files, and they are alphabetically in order, and you 
have it set to automatically move to the next file, then they will play one 
after the other.
That is why with audio files, it is best to have them in a zip file and make 
sure they are labelled correctly.
Then it will treat them as a book, and each file as a chapter.
HTH,




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On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:59 AM, Terri Stimmel  wrote:

Hello everyone,


I have a quick question about VoiceDream reader, and folders.


First of all, I use this App all the time, and love it! I use it a lot
for importing my audiobooks from Dropbox, in to the App. This way if the
files are not unzipped, I can still enjoy them.


However, a lot of my files are unzipped. Some are even in folders. I've
noticed twice now when I have imported a file, that I have had problems.
I kept getting a folder empty message.


So I ended up uploading all 8 files of the book, individually. Then I
created a folder within Voicedream. I can see all the files, but they
are all listed with my other files. I can't seem to see the folder I
created. And even though I sent the files to the folder, I can't seem to
figure out if they are in there.


Have I possibly done something wrong?

Has anyone else ever experienced this?

Also, if I have files in a folder, will they play 1 right after the other?


Any help would be wonderful!


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: Voicedream reader, and folders

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Terri,

To see only the files in a particular folder, choose Filter, and then choose 
folder, then the folder you want. You can set voice dream Reader to start 
playing the next file automatically when it finishes the first one. To do that, 
open a file, and then double-tap the Controls button. Double-tap Reading Mode, 
and then double-tap Stop at End of Document.

HTH,
Anna




> On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I have a quick question about VoiceDream reader, and folders.
> 
> 
> First of all, I use this App all the time, and love it! I use it a lot 
> for importing my audiobooks from Dropbox, in to the App. This way if the 
> files are not unzipped, I can still enjoy them.
> 
> 
> However, a lot of my files are unzipped. Some are even in folders. I've 
> noticed twice now when I have imported a file, that I have had problems. 
> I kept getting a folder empty message.
> 
> 
> So I ended up uploading all 8 files of the book, individually. Then I 
> created a folder within Voicedream. I can see all the files, but they 
> are all listed with my other files. I can't seem to see the folder I 
> created. And even though I sent the files to the folder, I can't seem to 
> figure out if they are in there.
> 
> 
> Have I possibly done something wrong?
> 
> Has anyone else ever experienced this?
> 
> Also, if I have files in a folder, will they play 1 right after the other?
> 
> 
> Any help would be wonderful!
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
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Re: Need to Create Group for Texting

[Richard Turner]

That person gave you directions if you were on Windows.
Copy and paste with a bluetooth keyboard on Apple devices use command plus the 
letters; but that won't help in this case.
That is why an app like ABC Groups is so useful.




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On Oct 22, 2019, at 12:07 PM, "sherrywells1...@gmail.com" 
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How would I use control C & V on the phone??

I talked to Apple help & they told me that you just have to type in new names & 
phone numbers to add them to a group.  There’s not much of a point in doing 
this however as you cannot send a message to a group using the message app.  I 
just had to manually create a message with all the names in it & send.  Another 
reason to never clean out ones message app…  I will definitely keep this 
message there for future use.  Meanwhile Apple would do well to create a way to 
create a group & be able to send messages to that group.

Sherry Wells
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cher 
Bosch
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 2:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Need to Create Group for Texting

You should be able to select names in your contacts folder, control-C to copy, 
navigate to groups folder and paste with control-V.

Cher



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Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:13 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Need to Create Group for Texting

Hi All,

I used to have an app on my phone that I used to send group texts.  It was very 
easy to use.  It appears that I must have deleted it as I can’t find it & of 
course can’t remember the name.  So first, can anyone recommend an ap for 
texting a group that is accessible & easy to use.

I noticed in my contacts that I have a group set up called cousins.  I figured 
out how to bring up a list of people in the group but not how to add someone.  
When I click on add it just says new contact.  Isn’t there some way to select 
people to add to the group from my contacts list?  And when I tried to tell 
Siri to send a message to this group, she doesn’t know what I’m talking about.

I’d like to do whatever is fastest as we have someone in the hospital & I’d 
like to be able to send out a group message with updates.

Any help is appreciated!
Sherry Wells
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RE: Need to Create Group for Texting

[sherrywells1157]

How would I use control C & V on the phone??  

 

I talked to Apple help & they told me that you just have to type in new names & 
phone numbers to add them to a group.  There’s not much of a point in doing 
this however as you cannot send a message to a group using the message app.  I 
just had to manually create a message with all the names in it & send.  Another 
reason to never clean out ones message app…  I will definitely keep this 
message there for future use.  Meanwhile Apple would do well to create a way to 
create a group & be able to send messages to that group.

 

Sherry Wells

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cher 
Bosch
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 2:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Need to Create Group for Texting

 

You should be able to select names in your contacts folder, control-C to copy, 
navigate to groups folder and paste with control-V.

 

Cher

 

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:13 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Need to Create Group for Texting

 

Hi All,

 

I used to have an app on my phone that I used to send group texts.  It was very 
easy to use.  It appears that I must have deleted it as I can’t find it & of 
course can’t remember the name.  So first, can anyone recommend an ap for 
texting a group that is accessible & easy to use.  

 

I noticed in my contacts that I have a group set up called cousins.  I figured 
out how to bring up a list of people in the group but not how to add someone.  
When I click on add it just says new contact.  Isn’t there some way to select 
people to add to the group from my contacts list?  And when I tried to tell 
Siri to send a message to this group, she doesn’t know what I’m talking about.  

 

I’d like to do whatever is fastest as we have someone in the hospital & I’d 
like to be able to send out a group message with updates.  

 

Any help is appreciated!

Sherry Wells

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Re: I never meant to update.

[Duane Steele]

> Hello Richard, 
> I fixed the Braille issue easily enough.  I just can't figure out how my 
> phone updated when I had the setting activated that would not allow automatic 
> updates.  Kind of scary.  BI'm getting used to it.  I figure there's no sense 
> in going back.  I'll get used to it, and hope the bugs get ironed out in due 
> course.

> 
> Peace & Blessings,
> Duane L. Steele
> Phone (276) 730-5194
> 
> On Oct 22, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  Dwayne,
> Did you find the place in the VoiceOver braille settings where you can adjust 
> which braille table is being used?
> And, no one can easily get to the status bar with any keyboard.
> You just have to touch the screen until they fix it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane 
> Wagner
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Duane Steele  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Dave.  But now that it's done I'm adjusting to it.  After all, 
> there'll come a time when we all have to use it.  There are bugs and issues, 
> and with the help of folks on this list, I'll work them out.  One thing I 
> noticed immediately was that the braille table had automatically gone to UEB 
> braille, and I'm still happier with the standard Us Braille system when 
> writing with my BrailleEdge.  It's also harder to just get to the status bar. 
>  In fact, with the Braille device, it can't be done, and that's frustrating.  
> I won't turn back the clock.  I'll just forge ahead with all the others on 
> this list who have updated their Apple devices.
> 
> 
> Peace & Blessings,
> Duane L. Steele
> Phone (276) 730-5194
> 
> On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and 
> swiping to iPhone storage.
>  
> There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will 
> have the option to delete it.
>  
> It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it.
>  
> Dave.
>  
>  
> From: janet gross
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: I never meant to update.
>  
> Hi Duane and All,
> Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me 
> just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off.  When I 
> turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, 
> and I had no option to cancel.  I turned the phone off, and waited, and 
> turned it back on, but still the update was downloading!  I was furious!  I 
> think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am 
> concerned, this should not be allowed!  Although, doesn’t all the updates 
> automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the 
> license agreement or not.  Hopefully someone will chime in on my question.  
> After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to 
> install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not 
> installed on my phone.  Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept 
> the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet.  Has 
> anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs!  So next 
> time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get 
> more space on our phones!  If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that 
> should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just 
> don’t ask for trouble!  Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when 
> releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple 
> knows that!  Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple 
> before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their 
> baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I 
> call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main 
> problem is not corrected!   
> Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after 
> the update, and that seems to be a little odd! 
> Janet
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Duane Steele
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I never meant to update.
>  
> Hello iPhone Friends,
>  
> Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something 
> wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8.  With all the recent flack I'd read and 
> heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating.  I checked 
> my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off.  
> You can now guess where this is going.  I awoke this morning and looked at 
> the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my 
> consent.  I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances 

Voicedream reader, and folders

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


I have a quick question about VoiceDream reader, and folders.


First of all, I use this App all the time, and love it! I use it a lot 
for importing my audiobooks from Dropbox, in to the App. This way if the 
files are not unzipped, I can still enjoy them.


However, a lot of my files are unzipped. Some are even in folders. I've 
noticed twice now when I have imported a file, that I have had problems. 
I kept getting a folder empty message.


So I ended up uploading all 8 files of the book, individually. Then I 
created a folder within Voicedream. I can see all the files, but they 
are all listed with my other files. I can't seem to see the folder I 
created. And even though I sent the files to the folder, I can't seem to 
figure out if they are in there.


Have I possibly done something wrong?

Has anyone else ever experienced this?

Also, if I have files in a folder, will they play 1 right after the other?


Any help would be wonderful!


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: Need to Create Group for Texting

[Cher Bosch]

You should be able to select names in your contacts folder, control-C to copy, 
navigate to groups folder and paste with control-V.

 

Cher

 

 

 

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sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:13 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Need to Create Group for Texting

 

Hi All,

 

I used to have an app on my phone that I used to send group texts.  It was very 
easy to use.  It appears that I must have deleted it as I can’t find it & of 
course can’t remember the name.  So first, can anyone recommend an ap for 
texting a group that is accessible & easy to use.  

 

I noticed in my contacts that I have a group set up called cousins.  I figured 
out how to bring up a list of people in the group but not how to add someone.  
When I click on add it just says new contact.  Isn’t there some way to select 
people to add to the group from my contacts list?  And when I tried to tell 
Siri to send a message to this group, she doesn’t know what I’m talking about.  

 

I’d like to do whatever is fastest as we have someone in the hospital & I’d 
like to be able to send out a group message with updates.  

 

Any help is appreciated!

Sherry Wells

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voice Dream Scanner update

[Richard Turner]

Voice Dream Scanner, Today, - Fixed issue of flashlight and ScanTone continuing 
to be active even when not on the Capture screen. , Version 1.3.1 Actions 
available Use the rotor to access Misspelled Words



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RE: I never meant to update.

[janet gross]

Hi Josh, 
When I got my first iPhone, and when I got a notification I had an update, I 
tapped on the later option, and sure enough the phone did download the very 
next time I turned on my phone!  My point, be very careful if you don't want to 
update right now, about the later option though.  
Janet  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I never meant to update.

I'll delete my update again.  I think 2 gigs for an update is rather
large myself.  I just always go to not now, and remind me later.
Hopefully, my phone won't update by itself.

On 10/22/19, janet gross  wrote:
> HI Dave,
> Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps.
> Thank you thank you!
> Janet
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dave
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I never meant to update.
>
> Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general,
> and swiping to iPhone storage.
>
> There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will
> have the option to delete it.
>
> It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> From: janet gross
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: I never meant to update.
>
> Hi Duane and All,
> Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me
> just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off.  When I
> turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading,
> and I had no option to cancel.  I turned the phone off, and waited, and
> turned it back on, but still the update was downloading!  I was furious!  I
> think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am
> concerned, this should not be allowed!  Although, doesn’t all the updates
> automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the
> license agreement or not.  Hopefully someone will chime in on my question.
> After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to
> install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not
> installed on my phone.  Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept
> the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet.  Has
> anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs!  So next
> time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get
> more space on our phones!  If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that
> should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just
> don’t ask for trouble!  Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when
> releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple
> knows that!  Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple
> before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their
> baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I
> call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main
> problem is not corrected!
> Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues
> after the update, and that seems to be a little odd!
> Janet
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Duane Steele
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I never meant to update.
>
>
> Hello iPhone Friends,
>
>
>
> Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something
> wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8.  With all the recent flack I'd read
> and heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating.  I
> checked my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been
> turned off.  You can now guess where this is going.  I awoke this morning
> and looked at the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight
> without my consent.  I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances
> in artificial intelligence, my phone made its own decision, and now, I'm
> stuck with having to reorient myself to lots of new features I don't know
> anything about.  Is there a reasonable explanation for why this would have
> happened.  Well, now I'll take up the challenge and learn to adapt to the
> update.  But I have to wonder why I had no choice.
>
>
>
> Peace & Blessings,
> Duane L. Steele
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Re: I never meant to update.

[Richard Turner]

Dwayne,
Did you find the place in the VoiceOver braille settings where you can adjust 
which braille table is being used?
And, no one can easily get to the status bar with any keyboard.
You just have to touch the screen until they fix it.




Richard
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Duane Steele  wrote:


Thanks Dave.  But now that it's done I'm adjusting to it.  After all, there'll 
come a time when we all have to use it.  There are bugs and issues, and with 
the help of folks on this list, I'll work them out.  One thing I noticed 
immediately was that the braille table had automatically gone to UEB braille, 
and I'm still happier with the standard Us Braille system when writing with my 
BrailleEdge.  It's also harder to just get to the status bar.  In fact, with 
the Braille device, it can't be done, and that's frustrating.  I won't turn 
back the clock.  I'll just forge ahead with all the others on this list who 
have updated their Apple devices.


Peace & Blessings,
Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Dave  wrote:


Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and 
swiping to iPhone storage.

There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will have 
the option to delete it.

It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it.

Dave.


From: janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I never meant to update.

Hi Duane and All,
Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me just 
last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off.  When I turned on 
my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, and I had no 
option to cancel.  I turned the phone off, and waited, and turned it back on, 
but still the update was downloading!  I was furious!  I think this is very 
unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am concerned, this should not 
be allowed!  Although, doesn’t all the updates automatically download, but we 
have the option to install by accepting the license agreement or not.  
Hopefully someone will chime in on my question.  After the download, a few days 
later is when I got the first notification to install the update, so I did not 
accept the license agreement, so it has not installed on my phone.  Although, 
it is still there waiting for me to accept the license agreement, and I have no 
intentions of updating just yet.  Has anyone noticed the size of this update? 
It is a little over 2 gigs!  So next time we think about buying an iPhone, we 
might have to pay more money to get more space on our phones!  If someone 
doesn’t want the newest update, that should be their right, so please people 
try and understand some people just don’t ask for trouble!  Now, I’m sure Apple 
had good intentions when releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that 
way, and I’m sure Apple knows that!  Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give 
their findings to Apple before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t 
Apple listen to their baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after 
an update, and I call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have 
one, so the main problem is not corrected!
Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after 
the update, and that seems to be a little odd!
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Duane Steele
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I never meant to update.

Hello iPhone Friends,

Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something 
wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8.  With all the recent flack I'd read and 
heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating.  I checked my 
settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off.  You 
can now guess where this is going.  I awoke this morning and looked at the time 
on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my consent.  I can 
only imagine that, given today's rapid advances in artificial intelligence, my 
phone made its own decision, and now, I'm stuck with having to reorient myself 
to lots of new features I don't know anything about.  Is there a reasonable 
explanation for why this would have happened.  Well, now I'll take up the 
challenge and learn to adapt to the update.  But I have to wonder why I had no 
choice.


Peace & Blessings,
Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194
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Re: Disgusted with Braille in IOS 13.1.3

[Richard Turner]

tom,
When you say long text editing, what app are you in?
Are you talking text messages, or other apps?
Knowing that would help trying to ,duplicate the issue.




Richard
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 10:22 AM, "kheve...@earthlink.net"  
wrote:

Tom, I have not taken the plunge to ios 13 because I understand there are many 
problems with braille devices.  So, am trying to hold off till those bugs are 
fixed.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Lange
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:50 AM
To: vi-phone list 
Subject: Disgusted with Braille in IOS 13.1.3

Hi,
I’m using a Braille Sense U2 with an iphone 8 running IOS 13.1.3 and I’m really 
disgusted with how this combination is working, particularly when it comes to 
doing any kind of lengthy text editing. Cursor routing becomes erratic. 
Voiceover can slow down and crash. It’s just awful. I could go into detail, but 
VO will probably give me trouble while I do so. Anybody else out there having 
trouble with Braille displays in IOs 13?
Tom

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Re: I never meant to update.

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I'll delete my update again.  I think 2 gigs for an update is rather
large myself.  I just always go to not now, and remind me later.
Hopefully, my phone won't update by itself.

On 10/22/19, janet gross  wrote:
> HI Dave,
> Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps.
> Thank you thank you!
> Janet
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dave
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I never meant to update.
>
> Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general,
> and swiping to iPhone storage.
>
> There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will
> have the option to delete it.
>
> It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> From: janet gross
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: I never meant to update.
>
> Hi Duane and All,
> Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me
> just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off.  When I
> turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading,
> and I had no option to cancel.  I turned the phone off, and waited, and
> turned it back on, but still the update was downloading!  I was furious!  I
> think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am
> concerned, this should not be allowed!  Although, doesn’t all the updates
> automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the
> license agreement or not.  Hopefully someone will chime in on my question.
> After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to
> install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not
> installed on my phone.  Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept
> the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet.  Has
> anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs!  So next
> time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get
> more space on our phones!  If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that
> should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just
> don’t ask for trouble!  Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when
> releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple
> knows that!  Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple
> before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their
> baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I
> call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main
> problem is not corrected!
> Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues
> after the update, and that seems to be a little odd!
> Janet
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Duane Steele
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I never meant to update.
>
>
> Hello iPhone Friends,
>
>
>
> Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something
> wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8.  With all the recent flack I'd read
> and heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating.  I
> checked my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been
> turned off.  You can now guess where this is going.  I awoke this morning
> and looked at the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight
> without my consent.  I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances
> in artificial intelligence, my phone made its own decision, and now, I'm
> stuck with having to reorient myself to lots of new features I don't know
> anything about.  Is there a reasonable explanation for why this would have
> happened.  Well, now I'll take up the challenge and learn to adapt to the
> update.  But I have to wonder why I had no choice.
>
>
>
> Peace & Blessings,
> Duane L. Steele
> Phone (276) 730-5194
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Re: I never meant to update.

[Duane Steele]

> Thanks Dave.  But now that it's done I'm adjusting to it.  After all, 
> there'll come a time when we all have to use it.  There are bugs and issues, 
> and with the help of folks on this list, I'll work them out.  One thing I 
> noticed immediately was that the braille table had automatically gone to UEB 
> braille, and I'm still happier with the standard Us Braille system when 
> writing with my BrailleEdge.  It's also harder to just get to the status bar. 
>  In fact, with the Braille device, it can't be done, and that's frustrating.  
> I won't turn back the clock.  I'll just forge ahead with all the others on 
> this list who have updated their Apple devices.

> 
> Peace & Blessings,
> Duane L. Steele
> Phone (276) 730-5194
> 
> On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and 
> swiping to iPhone storage.
>  
> There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will 
> have the option to delete it.
>  
> It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it.
>  
> Dave.
>  
>  
> From: janet gross
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: I never meant to update.
>  
> Hi Duane and All,
> Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me 
> just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off.  When I 
> turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, 
> and I had no option to cancel.  I turned the phone off, and waited, and 
> turned it back on, but still the update was downloading!  I was furious!  I 
> think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am 
> concerned, this should not be allowed!  Although, doesn’t all the updates 
> automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the 
> license agreement or not.  Hopefully someone will chime in on my question.  
> After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to 
> install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not 
> installed on my phone.  Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept 
> the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet.  Has 
> anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs!  So next 
> time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get 
> more space on our phones!  If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that 
> should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just 
> don’t ask for trouble!  Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when 
> releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple 
> knows that!  Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple 
> before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their 
> baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I 
> call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main 
> problem is not corrected!   
> Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after 
> the update, and that seems to be a little odd! 
> Janet
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Duane Steele
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I never meant to update.
>  
> Hello iPhone Friends,
>  
> Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something 
> wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8.  With all the recent flack I'd read and 
> heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating.  I checked 
> my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off.  
> You can now guess where this is going.  I awoke this morning and looked at 
> the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my 
> consent.  I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances in artificial 
> intelligence, my phone made its own decision, and now, I'm stuck with having 
> to reorient myself to lots of new features I don't know anything about.  Is 
> there a reasonable explanation for why this would have happened.  Well, now 
> I'll take up the challenge and learn to adapt to the update.  But I have to 
> wonder why I had no choice.
>  
>  
> Peace & Blessings,
> Duane L. Steele
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RE: I never meant to update.

[janet gross]

HI Dave,
Thank you for this as I just removed it by following your steps.
Thank you thank you!
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I never meant to update.

Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and 
swiping to iPhone storage.

There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will have 
the option to delete it.

It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it.

Dave.


From: janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I never meant to update.

Hi Duane and All,
Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me just 
last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off.  When I turned on 
my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, and I had no 
option to cancel.  I turned the phone off, and waited, and turned it back on, 
but still the update was downloading!  I was furious!  I think this is very 
unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am concerned, this should not 
be allowed!  Although, doesn’t all the updates automatically download, but we 
have the option to install by accepting the license agreement or not.  
Hopefully someone will chime in on my question.  After the download, a few days 
later is when I got the first notification to install the update, so I did not 
accept the license agreement, so it has not installed on my phone.  Although, 
it is still there waiting for me to accept the license agreement, and I have no 
intentions of updating just yet.  Has anyone noticed the size of this update? 
It is a little over 2 gigs!  So next time we think about buying an iPhone, we 
might have to pay more money to get more space on our phones!  If someone 
doesn’t want the newest update, that should be their right, so please people 
try and understand some people just don’t ask for trouble!  Now, I’m sure Apple 
had good intentions when releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that 
way, and I’m sure Apple knows that!  Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give 
their findings to Apple before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t 
Apple listen to their baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after 
an update, and I call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have 
one, so the main problem is not corrected!
Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after 
the update, and that seems to be a little odd!
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Duane Steele
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I never meant to update.


Hello iPhone Friends,



Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something 
wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8.  With all the recent flack I'd read and 
heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating.  I checked my 
settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off.  You 
can now guess where this is going.  I awoke this morning and looked at the time 
on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my consent.  I can 
only imagine that, given today's rapid advances in artificial intelligence, my 
phone made its own decision, and now, I'm stuck with having to reorient myself 
to lots of new features I don't know anything about.  Is there a reasonable 
explanation for why this would have happened.  Well, now I'll take up the 
challenge and learn to adapt to the update.  But I have to wonder why I had no 
choice.



Peace & Blessings,
Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194
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Re: I never meant to update.

[Dave]

Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and 
swiping to iPhone storage.

There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will have 
the option to delete it.

It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it.

Dave.


From: janet gross 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: I never meant to update.

Hi Duane and All, 

Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me just 
last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off.  When I turned on 
my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, and I had no 
option to cancel.  I turned the phone off, and waited, and turned it back on, 
but still the update was downloading!  I was furious!  I think this is very 
unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am concerned, this should not 
be allowed!  Although, doesn’t all the updates automatically download, but we 
have the option to install by accepting the license agreement or not.  
Hopefully someone will chime in on my question.  After the download, a few days 
later is when I got the first notification to install the update, so I did not 
accept the license agreement, so it has not installed on my phone.  Although, 
it is still there waiting for me to accept the license agreement, and I have no 
intentions of updating just yet.  Has anyone noticed the size of this update? 
It is a little over 2 gigs!  So next time we think about buying an iPhone, we 
might have to pay more money to get more space on our phones!  If someone 
doesn’t want the newest update, that should be their right, so please people 
try and understand some people just don’t ask for trouble!  Now, I’m sure Apple 
had good intentions when releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that 
way, and I’m sure Apple knows that!  Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give 
their findings to Apple before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t 
Apple listen to their baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after 
an update, and I call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have 
one, so the main problem is not corrected!

Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after 
the update, and that seems to be a little odd!  

Janet 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Duane Steele
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I never meant to update.

 

Hello iPhone Friends,

 

Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something 
wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8.  With all the recent flack I'd read and 
heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating.  I checked my 
settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off.  You 
can now guess where this is going.  I awoke this morning and looked at the time 
on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my consent.  I can 
only imagine that, given today's rapid advances in artificial intelligence, my 
phone made its own decision, and now, I'm stuck with having to reorient myself 
to lots of new features I don't know anything about.  Is there a reasonable 
explanation for why this would have happened.  Well, now I'll take up the 
challenge and learn to adapt to the update.  But I have to wonder why I had no 
choice.

 

 

Peace & Blessings,

Duane L. Steele

Phone (276) 730-5194

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RE: Disgusted with Braille in IOS 13.1.3

[khevener]

Tom, I have not taken the plunge to ios 13 because I understand there are many 
problems with braille devices.  So, am trying to hold off till those bugs are 
fixed.  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Lange
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:50 AM
To: vi-phone list 
Subject: Disgusted with Braille in IOS 13.1.3

Hi,
I’m using a Braille Sense U2 with an iphone 8 running IOS 13.1.3 and I’m really 
disgusted with how this combination is working, particularly when it comes to 
doing any kind of lengthy text editing. Cursor routing becomes erratic. 
Voiceover can slow down and crash. It’s just awful. I could go into detail, but 
VO will probably give me trouble while I do so. Anybody else out there having 
trouble with Braille displays in IOs 13? 
Tom

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RE: I never meant to update.

[janet gross]

Hi Duane and All,
Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me just 
last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off.  When I turned on 
my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, and I had no 
option to cancel.  I turned the phone off, and waited, and turned it back on, 
but still the update was downloading!  I was furious!  I think this is very 
unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am concerned, this should not 
be allowed!  Although, doesn’t all the updates automatically download, but we 
have the option to install by accepting the license agreement or not.  
Hopefully someone will chime in on my question.  After the download, a few days 
later is when I got the first notification to install the update, so I did not 
accept the license agreement, so it has not installed on my phone.  Although, 
it is still there waiting for me to accept the license agreement, and I have no 
intentions of updating just yet.  Has anyone noticed the size of this update? 
It is a little over 2 gigs!  So next time we think about buying an iPhone, we 
might have to pay more money to get more space on our phones!  If someone 
doesn’t want the newest update, that should be their right, so please people 
try and understand some people just don’t ask for trouble!  Now, I’m sure Apple 
had good intentions when releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that 
way, and I’m sure Apple knows that!  Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give 
their findings to Apple before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t 
Apple listen to their baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after 
an update, and I call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have 
one, so the main problem is not corrected!
Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after 
the update, and that seems to be a little odd!
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Duane Steele
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I never meant to update.


Hello iPhone Friends,



Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something 
wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8.  With all the recent flack I'd read and 
heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating.  I checked my 
settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off.  You 
can now guess where this is going.  I awoke this morning and looked at the time 
on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my consent.  I can 
only imagine that, given today's rapid advances in artificial intelligence, my 
phone made its own decision, and now, I'm stuck with having to reorient myself 
to lots of new features I don't know anything about.  Is there a reasonable 
explanation for why this would have happened.  Well, now I'll take up the 
challenge and learn to adapt to the update.  But I have to wonder why I had no 
choice.



Peace & Blessings,
Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194
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Re: Need to Create Group for Texting

[Richard Turner]

It used to be called a2z contacts. It is now ABC Groups.
Here is the link:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/abc-groups-group-contacts/id685048714




Richard
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 7:12 AM, "sherrywells1...@gmail.com" 
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Hi All,

I used to have an app on my phone that I used to send group texts.  It was very 
easy to use.  It appears that I must have deleted it as I can’t find it & of 
course can’t remember the name.  So first, can anyone recommend an ap for 
texting a group that is accessible & easy to use.

I noticed in my contacts that I have a group set up called cousins.  I figured 
out how to bring up a list of people in the group but not how to add someone.  
When I click on add it just says new contact.  Isn’t there some way to select 
people to add to the group from my contacts list?  And when I tried to tell 
Siri to send a message to this group, she doesn’t know what I’m talking about.

I’d like to do whatever is fastest as we have someone in the hospital & I’d 
like to be able to send out a group message with updates.

Any help is appreciated!
Sherry Wells

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Re: 1Password or LastPass?

[Nimer Jaber]

I've used 1password, lastpass, and bitwarden and they all work fine.

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 10:09 AM Cristobal Muñoz 
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> When I was looking into a PW manager a few years ago, at that time, the
> general consensus was that 1Password was more accessible. I don't know if
> Lastpass has done anything to make it's service more accessible, but
> 1Password's been working fine for me on my iPhone and PCs. They're also
> pretty responsive to accessibility concerns and work to address whatever
> issues may pop up from time to time.
> As far as pricing... Well, in my opinion, I don't find it to be hefty for
> the convenience and peace of
> mind that it provides at all, but that's going to depend from person to
> person I suppose.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: 1Password or LastPass?
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> Which of these two apps does everyone prefer? I’ve heard great things
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RE: 1Password or LastPass?

[Cristobal Muñoz]

When I was looking into a PW manager a few years ago, at that time, the general 
consensus was that 1Password was more accessible. I don't know if Lastpass has 
done anything to make it's service more accessible, but 1Password's been 
working fine for me on my iPhone and PCs. They're also pretty responsive to 
accessibility concerns and work to address whatever issues may pop up from time 
to time. 
As far as pricing... Well, in my opinion, I don't find it to be hefty for the 
convenience and peace of 
mind that it provides at all, but that's going to depend from person to person 
I suppose. 

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Subject: 1Password or LastPass?

Which of these two apps does everyone prefer? I’ve heard great things about 
1Password, but it looks like there’s a hefty subscription fee which I’m not 
crazy about.

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Re: 1Password or LastPass?

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
I have been a last pass user for quite a while. The computer application could 
use some work but the iPhone app is very accessible. It is either free or has a 
$12.00 a year subscription for some premium features. 

Greg Wocher


> On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:02 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
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> 1Password, but it looks like there’s a hefty subscription fee which I’m not 
> crazy about.
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1Password or LastPass?

[kelby carlson]

Which of these two apps does everyone prefer? I’ve heard great things about 
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Re: Disgusted with Braille in IOS 13.1.3

[Richard Turner]

The hotkey to go to the status bar is broken for all keyboards, QWERTY and 
Braille.
Write Apple Accessibility.
The more they get reports, the sooner it will get fixed.
Fingers Crossed.




Richard
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-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Oct 22, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Duane Steele  wrote:


Tom, I'm using the BrailleEdge 40 from Hims, and also having some issues since 
my phone decided to update this morning. For example, holding down the 
space-bar plus the braille letter s used to take me directly to the status bar 
where I could check immediately how much charge I had left.  Now, nothing 
happens when I press that key combination.  Since I'm still figuring out the 
update, I'm bound to have more questions.  I'm not happy about this either.


Peace & Blessings,
Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

On Oct 22, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Tom Lange  wrote:

Hi,
I’m using a Braille Sense U2 with an iphone 8 running IOS 13.1.3 and I’m really 
disgusted with how this combination is working, particularly when it comes to 
doing any kind of lengthy text editing. Cursor routing becomes erratic. 
Voiceover can slow down and crash. It’s just awful. I could go into detail, but 
VO will probably give me trouble while I do so. Anybody else out there having 
trouble with Braille displays in IOs 13?
Tom

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Re: Disgusted with Braille in IOS 13.1.3

[Duane Steele]

> Tom, I'm using the BrailleEdge 40 from Hims, and also having some issues 
> since my phone decided to update this morning. For example, holding down the 
> space-bar plus the braille letter s used to take me directly to the status 
> bar where I could check immediately how much charge I had left.  Now, nothing 
> happens when I press that key combination.  Since I'm still figuring out the 
> update, I'm bound to have more questions.  I'm not happy about this either.

> 
> Peace & Blessings,
> Duane L. Steele
> Phone (276) 730-5194
> 
> On Oct 22, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I’m using a Braille Sense U2 with an iphone 8 running IOS 13.1.3 and I’m 
> really disgusted with how this combination is working, particularly when it 
> comes to doing any kind of lengthy text editing. Cursor routing becomes 
> erratic. Voiceover can slow down and crash. It’s just awful. I could go into 
> detail, but VO will probably give me trouble while I do so. Anybody else out 
> there having trouble with Braille displays in IOs 13? 
> Tom
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I never meant to update.

[Duane Steele]

Hello iPhone Friends,

Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something 
wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8.  With all the recent flack I'd read and 
heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating.  I checked my 
settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off.  You 
can now guess where this is going.  I awoke this morning and looked at the time 
on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my consent.  I can 
only imagine that, given today's rapid advances in artificial intelligence, my 
phone made its own decision, and now, I'm stuck with having to reorient myself 
to lots of new features I don't know anything about.  Is there a reasonable 
explanation for why this would have happened.  Well, now I'll take up the 
challenge and learn to adapt to the update.  But I have to wonder why I had no 
choice.
 

Peace & Blessings,
Duane L. Steele
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Re: Need to Create Group for Texting

[B. J. Maynard]

hi, 

I think it might be a2z contacts?  

B. J. Maynard
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  To: VIPhone 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:12 AM
  Subject: Need to Create Group for Texting


  Hi All,

   

  I used to have an app on my phone that I used to send group texts.  It was 
very easy to use.  It appears that I must have deleted it as I can’t find it & 
of course can’t remember the name.  So first, can anyone recommend an ap for 
texting a group that is accessible & easy to use.  

   

  I noticed in my contacts that I have a group set up called cousins.  I 
figured out how to bring up a list of people in the group but not how to add 
someone.  When I click on add it just says new contact.  Isn’t there some way 
to select people to add to the group from my contacts list?  And when I tried 
to tell Siri to send a message to this group, she doesn’t know what I’m talking 
about.  

   

  I’d like to do whatever is fastest as we have someone in the hospital & I’d 
like to be able to send out a group message with updates.  

   

  Any help is appreciated!

  Sherry Wells


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RE: considering Apple watch

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Because I find that if raise to wake is on Voiceover starts talking every time 
I raise my wrist and often that defeats the purpose of checking the time 
silently.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter 
Logan
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: considering Apple watch

You don't have to disable "raise to wake" to have the haptic time work properly 
..  and you can raise the watch and ask a question .. not sure why others are 
saying that you have to disable this.  On the haptic time, it does work better 
on the newer watches .. but even on my series 3 it would work properly the 
majority of the time.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of R Van 
Lant
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 11:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: considering Apple watch

Thanks for the thoughts.  My sighted coworker is singing the praises of Apple 
watch. Part of what makes it such a hit in her world is the raise to wake 
feature and then being able to immediately ask a question hand free.  Sounds 
like that is out the window for Voiceover users, but maybe we have some fun 
features, too.  I'll read the AppleVis articles I can find and go into the 
Apple store to see one in action.  Good to know that the processor speed is 
significantly better on the newer ones.  I will avoid the earlier editions. 



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: considering Apple watch

Which series of watch do you have? I find on my new fifth generation watch it's 
very rare that haptic time does not work if I make sure to give it the 2 or 3 
taps required (depending on whether I want hours included or not) nice and 
deliberately and of course you have to make sure you disable raise to wake and 
all that stuff.

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Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 4:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: considering Apple watch

I don't like my Apple watch because it doesn't reliably tell the time without 
speaking.  It may be operator error, but I have tried repeatedly to make haptic 
time work ... and sometimes it does.  However, often the watch speaks the time 
instead of vibrating it.  I sometimes wear my Seiko Braille watch because I can 
count on it to be silent.  and my phone gives me all the messages and news 
headlines that I want.  One setting I have enabled is supposed to make the 
watch stop talking when you place your palm over it.  Mine seems to feel it has 
to finish the thought before it will stop, palm over or not.

However.  The Apple watch includes exercise goal setting that I don't have 
otherwise--how many hours I stood for at least a minute, how many minutes I 
actually exercised ... current heart rate, heart rate min and max at six hour 
intervals.  I'm old, so I like to track that once in a while.

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Need to Create Group for Texting

[sherrywells1157]

Hi All,

 

I used to have an app on my phone that I used to send group texts.  It was
very easy to use.  It appears that I must have deleted it as I can't find it
& of course can't remember the name.  So first, can anyone recommend an ap
for texting a group that is accessible & easy to use.  

 

I noticed in my contacts that I have a group set up called cousins.  I
figured out how to bring up a list of people in the group but not how to add
someone.  When I click on add it just says new contact.  Isn't there some
way to select people to add to the group from my contacts list?  And when I
tried to tell Siri to send a message to this group, she doesn't know what
I'm talking about.  

 

I'd like to do whatever is fastest as we have someone in the hospital & I'd
like to be able to send out a group message with updates.  

 

Any help is appreciated!

Sherry Wells

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Re: Disgusted with Braille in IOS 13.1.3

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi Tom, 
I am having trouble as well. I can tell you that this trouble has been the same 
since betas started, and nothing has seemed to change. I’m really frustrated 
about it, and have reported it several times.
Aleeha 

> On Oct 22, 2019, at 8:49 AM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I’m using a Braille Sense U2 with an iphone 8 running IOS 13.1.3 and I’m 
> really disgusted with how this combination is working, particularly when it 
> comes to doing any kind of lengthy text editing. Cursor routing becomes 
> erratic. Voiceover can slow down and crash. It’s just awful. I could go into 
> detail, but VO will probably give me trouble while I do so. Anybody else out 
> there having trouble with Braille displays in IOs 13? 
> Tom
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Disgusted with Braille in IOS 13.1.3

[Tom Lange]

Hi,
I’m using a Braille Sense U2 with an iphone 8 running IOS 13.1.3 and I’m really 
disgusted with how this combination is working, particularly when it comes to 
doing any kind of lengthy text editing. Cursor routing becomes erratic. 
Voiceover can slow down and crash. It’s just awful. I could go into detail, but 
VO will probably give me trouble while I do so. Anybody else out there having 
trouble with Braille displays in IOs 13? 
Tom

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RE: considering Apple watch

[Peter Logan]

You don't have to disable "raise to wake" to have the haptic time work properly 
..  and you can raise the watch and ask a question .. not sure why others are 
saying that you have to disable this.  On the haptic time, it does work better 
on the newer watches .. but even on my series 3 it would work properly the 
majority of the time.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of R Van 
Lant
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 11:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: considering Apple watch

Thanks for the thoughts.  My sighted coworker is singing the praises of Apple 
watch. Part of what makes it such a hit in her world is the raise to wake 
feature and then being able to immediately ask a question hand free.  Sounds 
like that is out the window for Voiceover users, but maybe we have some fun 
features, too.  I'll read the AppleVis articles I can find and go into the 
Apple store to see one in action.  Good to know that the processor speed is 
significantly better on the newer ones.  I will avoid the earlier editions. 



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: considering Apple watch

Which series of watch do you have? I find on my new fifth generation watch it's 
very rare that haptic time does not work if I make sure to give it the 2 or 3 
taps required (depending on whether I want hours included or not) nice and 
deliberately and of course you have to make sure you disable raise to wake and 
all that stuff.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 4:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: considering Apple watch

I don't like my Apple watch because it doesn't reliably tell the time without 
speaking.  It may be operator error, but I have tried repeatedly to make haptic 
time work ... and sometimes it does.  However, often the watch speaks the time 
instead of vibrating it.  I sometimes wear my Seiko Braille watch because I can 
count on it to be silent.  and my phone gives me all the messages and news 
headlines that I want.  One setting I have enabled is supposed to make the 
watch stop talking when you place your palm over it.  Mine seems to feel it has 
to finish the thought before it will stop, palm over or not.

However.  The Apple watch includes exercise goal setting that I don't have 
otherwise--how many hours I stood for at least a minute, how many minutes I 
actually exercised ... current heart rate, heart rate min and max at six hour 
intervals.  I'm old, so I like to track that once in a while.

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Re: Reading Shortcut Keys

[Devin Prater]

This is just for the iPad.

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 8:34 PM,   wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> According to different Apple documentation and a developer I was talking to, 
> if you hold down the cmd key, apps should list there shortcuts.  I don’t know 
> if the listing of the keys is specific to the iPad or if it also works on the 
> phone.
>  
> I couldn’t get any keys in apps I know support them to show on my phone, 
> independent of VoiceOver.
>  
> Kelly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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>  
> I have not run into this. 
> Could you give specific examples of apps that do this?
> You are saying just holding down the Command Key, right?
> I've tried in Mail, Message, Phone, and nothing happens.
>  
>  
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane 
> Wagner
>  
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 5:33 PM, "ke...@kellford.com 
>> " > > wrote:
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>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Many iOS apps list the keyboard commands when you hold down the cmd key.  
>> How do you read this info with VoiceOver?
>>  
>> Thank you,
>>  
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Re: IOS 13.3 bug

[Albertbrown]

Hello I have an iPhone7 if I need to do a hard reset do I use the volume 
buttons or the home and power buttons? 

Albert

> On Oct 22, 2019, at 04:48, Keao wright  wrote:
> 
> Ok, thanks, I have the Iphone 8
> I don't hear speech on up yet, but I will try it again.
> I don't want to also trigger the emergency people.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> I recommend a hard reset, but it depends on  your device as to how you 
> accomplish it.
> On the iPhone 6S and prior you push and hold the home button and side button 
> simultaneously for about 12 seconds.
> On the iPhone 8 you push volume up, then volume down and then push and hold 
> the side button for about 12 seconds.
> Not sure how it works on the iPhone X, XR/XS and 11/11S
> 
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> wright
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> 
> Hi,
> My phone is silent now, I lost all speech and sounds.
> Should I get a sighted person to do a had reset?
> It's the same bug where you end a call and voice over goes away so does siri 
> and sounds.
> How do I reboot the phone again?
> I only feel vibrations again.
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