Re: new iPhone

[Joshua Hendrickson]

The nice thing about bard, is that it is completely free.  It doesn't
cost you anything.  My previously downloaded bard books is now at
20176.  I have them all stored on my external hard drive.  Bard mobile
has a great feature that once on a book title of your bookshelf, you
can swipe down for additional options, like author, more info which
would tell you the summary of the book, an option to see all books by
that author that bard had, or all books in a specific category, or all
books in a specific series.  Very cool.

On 11/16/21, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> So with this book service,
> Do you have to purchase the books or is it a book like service where you can
> lone the books for a specific time?
>
>  I'm not sure this is a service we can get in NZ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Charles Spicer
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 3:40 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>
> Not to mention BARD keeps track of your downloaded books!
>
> On 11/15/21, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
> wrote:
>> If I want to re-read a BARD book, I just download it again from BARD.
>> Am I missing something here?  Just curious.
>>
>> Pam
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>>
>> The minie's don't have good enough battery life for me.  That's the
>> point when it comes to bard books.  You can either stream or download
>> audible books, however, you can't do that with bard books.  The only
>> place you can keep your bard mobile books is on your iPhone.  I really
>> hope that will change.  I hate the thought of all my downloaded books
>> only on one device not backed up.  Of course, I always make sure my
>> bard book is backed up to my external hard drive.  However, I have to
>> redownload that book again to my external hard drive if the only copy
>> of the book is on my iPhone.  Of course, I have to make sure my
>> external hard drive is also backed up in case something goes wrong
>> with my drive.  It is very interesting about these new iPhones that
>> will be coming in future.  You can just do so much cool stuff with
>> them.
>>
>> On 11/15/21, Paula Jordan  wrote:
>>> I have a 13 mini and love it.
>>> God bless!
>>> Paula and the pups
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Carolyn
>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>>
>>> I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the
>>> first of the year or maybe next spring.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>>
>>> I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn't really take off
>>>
>>> I'm not sure about he 13 mini,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay
>>>
>>> And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost
>>> device.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be
>>> an iPhone SE or Mini any more after next year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
>>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>>> Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Interesting article,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I question though the comment that under screen touch id would appear
>>> in a future SE before the iPhone flag ship,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would have thought that any new feature like this would go in to
>>> the flag ship phones / devices before a lsecond rate device like the
>>> SE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And that isn't a down play on the SE,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But they are not made to be the top of the line devices,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
>>> Behalf Of Richard Petty
>>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 9:38 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sieghard, thank you for sharing the full article. For those of us who
>>> would hope for an under-display Touch ID, it seems some don't think
>>> this will happen. Below is a quote from the article:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple is working on iPhones
>>> that will feature under-display Touch ID, but these devices are not
>>> 

RE: new iPhone

[Simon A Fogarty]

So with this book service,
Do you have to purchase the books or is it a book like service where you can 
lone the books for a specific time?

 I'm not sure this is a service we can get in NZ 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Charles 
Spicer
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 3:40 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone

Not to mention BARD keeps track of your downloaded books!

On 11/15/21, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND  wrote:
> If I want to re-read a BARD book, I just download it again from BARD.  
> Am I missing something here?  Just curious.
>
> Pam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>
> The minie's don't have good enough battery life for me.  That's the 
> point when it comes to bard books.  You can either stream or download 
> audible books, however, you can't do that with bard books.  The only 
> place you can keep your bard mobile books is on your iPhone.  I really 
> hope that will change.  I hate the thought of all my downloaded books 
> only on one device not backed up.  Of course, I always make sure my 
> bard book is backed up to my external hard drive.  However, I have to 
> redownload that book again to my external hard drive if the only copy 
> of the book is on my iPhone.  Of course, I have to make sure my 
> external hard drive is also backed up in case something goes wrong 
> with my drive.  It is very interesting about these new iPhones that 
> will be coming in future.  You can just do so much cool stuff with 
> them.
>
> On 11/15/21, Paula Jordan  wrote:
>> I have a 13 mini and love it.
>> God bless!
>> Paula and the pups
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the 
>> first of the year or maybe next spring.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn't really take off
>>
>> I'm not sure about he 13 mini,
>>
>>
>>
>> But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay
>>
>> And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost 
>> device.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be 
>> an iPhone SE or Mini any more after next year.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Interesting article,
>>
>>
>>
>> I question though the comment that under screen touch id would appear 
>> in a future SE before the iPhone flag ship,
>>
>>
>>
>> I would have thought that any new feature like this would go in to 
>> the flag ship phones / devices before a lsecond rate device like the 
>> SE
>>
>>
>>
>> And that isn't a down play on the SE,
>>
>>
>>
>> But they are not made to be the top of the line devices,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Petty
>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 9:38 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Sieghard, thank you for sharing the full article. For those of us who 
>> would hope for an under-display Touch ID, it seems some don't think 
>> this will happen. Below is a quote from the article:
>>
>>
>>
>> According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple is working on iPhones 
>> that will feature under-display Touch ID, but these devices are not 
>> expected to launch until 2023. Other sources like Bloomberg have 
>> disagreed that Apple is focused on under-display Touch ID, and it's 
>> not clear if the feature would be included in Apple's flagship 
>> iPhones or devices like a future iPhone SE.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 1:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis already answered your question, but depending on what you have 
>> now I would seriously consider to wait for the iPhone 14. I just 

RE: new iPhone

[bentleyj1952]

I'll save this post for future reference.  But, as far as Bard books, it sounds 
quicker to just download the books again.  All of my books on my external hard 
drive are unzipped.

Thank you for your responce.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new iPhone

Hi James,

It is possible to transfer previously downloaded BARD books from a computer to 
BARD Mobile running on an iDevice. You have to decide whether the involved 
steps take less effort than just downloading the book again. You'll need a 
cloud service like Dropbox and the BARD book should be in its original zip 
format as downloaded from NLS. I have used Dropbox ever since getting my first 
iPhone because it was the service allowing access between files on my computer 
and the apps I used on my iPhone. So it only takes a short time to get zipped 
BARD books already in a Dropbox folder to the BARD Mobile app. From the Dropbox 
app, place focus on the zip file, select export, and then double tap on BARD 
Mobile. If BARD Mobile isn't presented as an option, you might have to execute 
a More button to choose it. You can also use the iOS native Files app to share 
a zipped BARD book with BARD Mobile provided the book is located in a cloud 
service available to Files. I just tested transfer of two separate BARD zip 
files I downloaded over a year ago using the Dropbox and the Files apps and the 
process only took a few seconds and each book played fine in BARD Mobile.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 9:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new iPhone

Hello,

I have around two hundred Bard books saved to a hard drive in case I want to 
put them back on a thumb drive and play them on my NLS Digital player.

I suppose that it isn't possible to put these books on my iPhone S E 2020 
without just down loading them to the phone from Bard again?

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Charles 
Spicer
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone

Not to mention BARD keeps track of your downloaded books!

On 11/15/21, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND  wrote:
> If I want to re-read a BARD book, I just download it again from BARD.  
> Am I missing something here?  Just curious.
>
> Pam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>
> The minie's don't have good enough battery life for me.  That's the 
> point when it comes to bard books.  You can either stream or download 
> audible books, however, you can't do that with bard books.  The only 
> place you can keep your bard mobile books is on your iPhone.  I really 
> hope that will change.  I hate the thought of all my downloaded books 
> only on one device not backed up.  Of course, I always make sure my 
> bard book is backed up to my external hard drive.  However, I have to 
> redownload that book again to my external hard drive if the only copy 
> of the book is on my iPhone.  Of course, I have to make sure my 
> external hard drive is also backed up in case something goes wrong 
> with my drive.  It is very interesting about these new iPhones that 
> will be coming in future.  You can just do so much cool stuff with 
> them.
>
> On 11/15/21, Paula Jordan  wrote:
>> I have a 13 mini and love it.
>> God bless!
>> Paula and the pups
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the 
>> first of the year or maybe next spring.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn't really take off
>>
>> I'm not sure about he 13 mini,
>>
>>
>>
>> But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay
>>
>> And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost 
>> device.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be 
>> an iPhone SE or Mini any more after next year.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
>> 

RE: new iPhone

[Alan Lemly]

Hi James,

It is possible to transfer previously downloaded BARD books from a computer to 
BARD Mobile running on an iDevice. You have to decide whether the involved 
steps take less effort than just downloading the book again. You'll need a 
cloud service like Dropbox and the BARD book should be in its original zip 
format as downloaded from NLS. I have used Dropbox ever since getting my first 
iPhone because it was the service allowing access between files on my computer 
and the apps I used on my iPhone. So it only takes a short time to get zipped 
BARD books already in a Dropbox folder to the BARD Mobile app. From the Dropbox 
app, place focus on the zip file, select export, and then double tap on BARD 
Mobile. If BARD Mobile isn't presented as an option, you might have to execute 
a More button to choose it. You can also use the iOS native Files app to share 
a zipped BARD book with BARD Mobile provided the book is located in a cloud 
service available to Files. I just tested transfer of two separate BARD zip 
files I downloaded over a year ago using the Dropbox and the Files apps and the 
process only took a few seconds and each book played fine in BARD Mobile.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 9:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new iPhone

Hello,

I have around two hundred Bard books saved to a hard drive in case I want to 
put them back on a thumb drive and play them on my NLS Digital player.

I suppose that it isn't possible to put these books on my iPhone S E 2020 
without just down loading them to the phone from Bard again?

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Charles 
Spicer
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone

Not to mention BARD keeps track of your downloaded books!

On 11/15/21, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND  wrote:
> If I want to re-read a BARD book, I just download it again from BARD.  
> Am I missing something here?  Just curious.
>
> Pam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>
> The minie's don't have good enough battery life for me.  That's the 
> point when it comes to bard books.  You can either stream or download 
> audible books, however, you can't do that with bard books.  The only 
> place you can keep your bard mobile books is on your iPhone.  I really 
> hope that will change.  I hate the thought of all my downloaded books 
> only on one device not backed up.  Of course, I always make sure my 
> bard book is backed up to my external hard drive.  However, I have to 
> redownload that book again to my external hard drive if the only copy 
> of the book is on my iPhone.  Of course, I have to make sure my 
> external hard drive is also backed up in case something goes wrong 
> with my drive.  It is very interesting about these new iPhones that 
> will be coming in future.  You can just do so much cool stuff with 
> them.
>
> On 11/15/21, Paula Jordan  wrote:
>> I have a 13 mini and love it.
>> God bless!
>> Paula and the pups
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the 
>> first of the year or maybe next spring.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn't really take off
>>
>> I'm not sure about he 13 mini,
>>
>>
>>
>> But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay
>>
>> And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost 
>> device.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be 
>> an iPhone SE or Mini any more after next year.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Interesting article,
>>
>>
>>
>> I question though the comment that under screen touch id would appear 
>> in a future SE before the iPhone flag ship,
>>
>>
>>
>> I would have thought that any new feature like this would go in to 
>> the flag ship phones / devices before a lsecond 

Re: Voicemail password.

[Joseph Hudson]

It may have needed to be sent to AT first. And you may have time. Perhaps it 
will work in the morning.

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I went to Phone in Settings, got to password, set it in, but when I tried, I 
> got the message it was the wrong password. 
> 
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RE: new iPhone

[bentleyj1952]

Hello,

I have around two hundred Bard books saved to a hard drive in case I want to 
put them back on a thumb drive and play them on my NLS Digital player.

I suppose that it isn't possible to put these books on my iPhone S E 2020 
without just down loading them to the phone from Bard again?

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Charles 
Spicer
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone

Not to mention BARD keeps track of your downloaded books!

On 11/15/21, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND  wrote:
> If I want to re-read a BARD book, I just download it again from BARD.  Am I
> missing something here?  Just curious.
>
> Pam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>
> The minie's don't have good enough battery life for me.  That's the
> point when it comes to bard books.  You can either stream or download
> audible books, however, you can't do that with bard books.  The only
> place you can keep your bard mobile books is on your iPhone.  I really
> hope that will change.  I hate the thought of all my downloaded books
> only on one device not backed up.  Of course, I always make sure my
> bard book is backed up to my external hard drive.  However, I have to
> redownload that book again to my external hard drive if the only copy
> of the book is on my iPhone.  Of course, I have to make sure my
> external hard drive is also backed up in case something goes wrong
> with my drive.  It is very interesting about these new iPhones that
> will be coming in future.  You can just do so much cool stuff with
> them.
>
> On 11/15/21, Paula Jordan  wrote:
>> I have a 13 mini and love it.
>> God bless!
>> Paula and the pups
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the
>> first
>> of the year or maybe next spring.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn't really take off
>>
>> I'm not sure about he 13 mini,
>>
>>
>>
>> But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay
>>
>> And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost
>> device.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be an
>> iPhone SE or Mini any more after next year.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf
>> Of
>> Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Interesting article,
>>
>>
>>
>> I question though the comment that under screen touch id would appear in
>> a
>> future SE before the iPhone flag ship,
>>
>>
>>
>> I would have thought that any new feature like this would go in to the
>> flag
>> ship phones / devices before a lsecond rate device like the SE
>>
>>
>>
>> And that isn't a down play on the SE,
>>
>>
>>
>> But they are not made to be the top of the line devices,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf
>> Of
>> Richard Petty
>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 9:38 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Sieghard, thank you for sharing the full article. For those of us who
>> would
>> hope for an under-display Touch ID, it seems some don't think this will
>> happen. Below is a quote from the article:
>>
>>
>>
>> According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple is working on iPhones that
>> will feature under-display Touch ID, but these devices are not expected
>> to
>> launch until 2023. Other sources like Bloomberg have disagreed that Apple
>> is
>> focused on under-display Touch ID, and it's not clear if the feature
>> would
>> be included in Apple's flagship iPhones or devices like a future iPhone
>> SE.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf
>> Of
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 1:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis already answered your 

Re: Cannot hear my son and he cannot hear me on call

[Donna Casteen]

I recommend going to settings, general, reset & reset network settings. Then go 
to settings, cellular & turn it off. Leave it off for a minute or so. Turn 
cellular back on so that it can reconnect to the tower.

Donna
Hi list,
>  
> I’m not explaining this well. I have an iPhone SE 2020 with latest software. 
> My son just called me, it rang fine but when I answered I could not hear him 
> and he could not hear me. He has an android phone, a google pixel, I think. I 
> tried calling back with the same result multiple times. I tried calling my 
> sister who has an iPhone and everything worked fine. I restarted the phone 
> and it came back with voiceover acting sluggish, responding very slow. That 
> went away after a while but I still can’t talk to my son. We can send text 
> messages but no voice. Were people having trouble with something similar a 
> few months ago?
>  
> All help appreciated,
>  
> Joe Thibault  
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Re: new iPhone

[Charles Spicer]

Not to mention BARD keeps track of your downloaded books!

On 11/15/21, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND  wrote:
> If I want to re-read a BARD book, I just download it again from BARD.  Am I
> missing something here?  Just curious.
>
> Pam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>
> The minie's don't have good enough battery life for me.  That's the
> point when it comes to bard books.  You can either stream or download
> audible books, however, you can't do that with bard books.  The only
> place you can keep your bard mobile books is on your iPhone.  I really
> hope that will change.  I hate the thought of all my downloaded books
> only on one device not backed up.  Of course, I always make sure my
> bard book is backed up to my external hard drive.  However, I have to
> redownload that book again to my external hard drive if the only copy
> of the book is on my iPhone.  Of course, I have to make sure my
> external hard drive is also backed up in case something goes wrong
> with my drive.  It is very interesting about these new iPhones that
> will be coming in future.  You can just do so much cool stuff with
> them.
>
> On 11/15/21, Paula Jordan  wrote:
>> I have a 13 mini and love it.
>> God bless!
>> Paula and the pups
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the
>> first
>> of the year or maybe next spring.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn't really take off
>>
>> I'm not sure about he 13 mini,
>>
>>
>>
>> But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay
>>
>> And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost
>> device.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be an
>> iPhone SE or Mini any more after next year.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf
>> Of
>> Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Interesting article,
>>
>>
>>
>> I question though the comment that under screen touch id would appear in
>> a
>> future SE before the iPhone flag ship,
>>
>>
>>
>> I would have thought that any new feature like this would go in to the
>> flag
>> ship phones / devices before a lsecond rate device like the SE
>>
>>
>>
>> And that isn't a down play on the SE,
>>
>>
>>
>> But they are not made to be the top of the line devices,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf
>> Of
>> Richard Petty
>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 9:38 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Sieghard, thank you for sharing the full article. For those of us who
>> would
>> hope for an under-display Touch ID, it seems some don't think this will
>> happen. Below is a quote from the article:
>>
>>
>>
>> According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple is working on iPhones that
>> will feature under-display Touch ID, but these devices are not expected
>> to
>> launch until 2023. Other sources like Bloomberg have disagreed that Apple
>> is
>> focused on under-display Touch ID, and it's not clear if the feature
>> would
>> be included in Apple's flagship iPhones or devices like a future iPhone
>> SE.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf
>> Of
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 1:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis already answered your question, but depending on what you have now
>> I
>> would seriously consider to wait for the iPhone 14. I just read an
>> article
>> where it said that the 14 Pro models may very well still get under the
>> screen Touch Id in addition to Face Id and depending on how bad this
>> current
>> chip shortage issue is next year, Apple may drastically increase the
>> performance of the A16 chip (as well as the new chips they use in their
>> Mac
>> computers of course).
>>
>> In the below Mac 

Re: Looking for feature-Rich Voiceover Air Fryer

[doug parisian]

Barry, thanks, I had considered the casori but the Proscenic had a high 
number of reviews with 4.6 rating on Amazon. I will, just to satisfy 
myself, try pairing with the Vesync app though I expect no results. 
Vesync looks almost too multi-purpose to cover all brands and Proscenic 
is comparatively new on Amazon though not so in other than north 
American markets.


If by some fluke all functions of the Proscenic are supported, I'll need 
to return it to Amazon since the Basket lock will not release from the 
containing drawer.


BTW, I think we met many many moons ago when Terry Green lived in 
Winnipeg, so you must be really really old! I haven't aged since that time.


On 2021-11-15 9:45 a.m., Barry Abbott wrote:

``Hi Doug. I would give VESync a try. I use `it  with my Casori Air Fryer  and 
find it to be accessible with VoiceOver. I think it is a replacement for the 
iDevices app.  ,Sent from Barry Abbott’s iPhone


On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:58 PM, doug parisian  wrote:

I purchased a Proscenic Air Fryer only to discover that the updated Proscenic 
App was not accessible. I had checked the app BEFORE purchasing which, as far 
as I could discern without the Fryer was accessible. The newer version wouldn't 
even let me register using Voiceover. Further, much of the documentation 
appears to be a PDF scanned image which, if the App was voiceover compliant was 
not a huge barrier. I could probably use some OCR tool to access the 
instructions and there are lots of recipes on the web and Utube.

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RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Simon A Fogarty]

Probably easier if you look at the phone.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 2:49 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Well, I mean...I thought the phone needs to look at you?

Cheers,

James B

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!


Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be waving it 藍





-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!



I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. Even though 
I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate having touch ID as an 
option. There are times I just find it annoying to have to wave the phone in 
front of my face.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!



I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.



Alan Lemly



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!



Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.

Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?

You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson

Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!



I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.

I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.

Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.



On 11/15/21, Carolyn 
<4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.

>

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On

> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale

> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com

> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

>

>

>

> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT

>

> Esther

>

>

> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

>

>

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

>

>

>

> 

>

> Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh 
> your

> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an

> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good

> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally

> really don't see too much benefit.

>

> I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is 
> one

> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they

> often have offered cheaper plans.

>

> Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more

> phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have

> saved me an extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would

> be my wife, my store manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.

>

> Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for $27 a

> 

RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[bentleyj1952]

Well, I mean...I thought the phone needs to look at you?

 

Cheers,

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be waving it 藍

 

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. Even though 
I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate having touch ID as an 
option. There are times I just find it annoying to have to wave the phone in 
front of my face.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

 

Alan Lemly

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.

Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?

You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.

I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.

Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

 

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
 > wrote:

> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 

> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale

> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

> 

> 

> 

> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT

> 

> Esther

> 

> 

> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> 

> 

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel   > wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh 
> your 

> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an 

> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good 

> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally 

> really don't see too much benefit.

> 

> I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is 
> one 

> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they 

> often have offered cheaper plans.

> 

> Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more 

> phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have 

> saved me an extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would 

> be my wife, my store manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.

> 

> Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for $27 a 

> months I could have an iPhone 13 128 Gb which after 2 years I could 

> simply give back to them and get a new iPhone which would be the 15 at 

> that point. It was almost tempting, but I decided to just keep my 

> 

iPhone 13 Pro max update and apple watch not unlocking

[sarai.bucciarelli]

Hi all:

Well AT had to give me a physical SIM card to get the phone working. So
just keep that in mind when you order a phone.

 

Now my new issue is my apple watch 4 will no longer unlock with voiceover
enabled. I have no idea. This started after I paired with the new phone.
Ideas? Trying not to pair again.

Both devices are updated to the latest OS.

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RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

[sarai.bucciarelli]

The Pro max is definitely fatter. Just a little wider than the 8Plus but same 
length.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 3:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

 

Hi Sieghard

 

I thought the max would be the better option for me with slightly bigger than 
average fingers,

 

But I have to admit,

I could easily have done with the pro 

 

Even though it’s a drop in size from the 11pro max,

 

But I do agree that the larger screen size if your totally blind isn’t really 
going to matter much,

>From a visual aspect.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 7:23 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

 

Size is not much different, I once again remain steadfast that the difference 
is screen size is not that important to a blind person.

I can see how somebody who constantly uses braille input may prefer a Max 
phone, but apart from that I don't see the point in having such a large phone 
personally.

As for your battery question you would notice a huge difference especially now 
that your XR battery is several years old and probably only has 85% give or 
take a bit of capacity.

But always ask yourself whether you still get through a normal day with your 
XR's battery and how well the phone works otherwise. I have an iPhone 11 which 
is a year younger than the XR and I just can't see any reason at all to upgrade 
to a 13 series phone especially considering that we probably see some much 
larger changes and improvements next year.

If you are somebody who can't afford a new phone every 2 years than I would 
recommend that you hold on to your xR for another year. Make sure you get a 
good deal on your plan, your phone is probably paid off by now so no reason if 
you are in the US to pay more than $30 or $35 a months, if you pay more switch 
and save some money for a year and then upgrade to an iPhone 14.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Casey Wollner
Sent: November 14, 2021 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: the iPhone 13 pro max

 

Hi I have the 10 r phone currently.

Now if I was to upgrade to the 13 pro max what would I be gaining and how big 
would the 13 pro max be compared to the 10 r that I have now?

Also would I have more batter life with the 13 pro max then with my 10 r if by 
how much?

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RE: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Carolyn]

Verizon used to use *86. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Sandoval
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 4:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

Hi all,
I’ve been dealing with this problem for years. My work around is one of the 
following:
I’m a t-Mobile user, and I can dial 123, and this will call my voicemail. As 
long as I’m calling from my own number, I do not get prompted for a voicemail 
pass word.
This allows me to use the classic style of checking my voicemail messages.

I believe other carriers may have a different number. I seem to remember 
Verizon may use *123, not sure about that though.

Alternatively, if I want to use visual voicemail:
1. Locate the message, and double tap it to begin playing 2. Flick right with 
one finger three times to reach the play back destination button, You will not 
be able to hear this well as VoiceOver only comes through the earpiece at this 
point.
3. Double tap the play back destination button to switch to speaker phone.  
You should now be able to restart any pending messages and hear them through 
the speaker phone.
You will have to do this each time you come in to voicemail. I hope this helps 
someone solve this issue.

Paul Sandoval
Blind Tech Training
Expanding Possibilities Using Technology
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> On Nov 15, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Yes exactly, and on some services that works but not all. Meaning being able 
> to turn off the passcode.
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Barbara Stahl  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So if you don't remember your voicemail password, go to settings then phone 
>> then change voicemail password.  Then you can change it and then access your 
>> voicemail by calling your own number.  Once you do that, I believe you can 
>> go through the automated settings  in the voicemail service and tell it you 
>> don't want to use a password.  I believe that I did that a long time ago 
>> because when I just tried calling myself it did not ask me to enter a 
>> password.  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I used to check my voice mail via the voice mail option on my 
>>> iPhone, I couldn't hear the message if I took my ear away from my 
>>> iPhone either.  That's why I used to call myself and get my voice 
>>> mails that way since I could use the speaker phone option of my 
>>> iPhone.  Yes, the You Mail app, is available in the United States.
>>> There is a paid version, but I've never felt I needed it.  The free 
>>> version works just fine for me.
>>> 
 On 11/15/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
 I don’t’ find any old iOS updates on my phone or in iCloud.
 Once you install them, they are no longer sitting there.
 
 What makes you think the iOS updates is what is taking up your memory?
 
 You can check by opening Settings, General, iPhone Storage.
 All the apps will be listed there in descending order of size, 
 largest apps first.
 
 If you have an iOS update waiting to be installed, it will be there 
 as well.
 
 How much memory is shown as available?
 
 
 Richard
 “Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow 
 is exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only 
 different kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin
 
 My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of janet gross
 Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:29 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
 
 Richard,
 Don’t all the updates we download store in the iCloud? If Anna gave 
 instructions to delete the old updates, wouldn’t that mean they are 
 storing some where? This is something to find out.
 
 
 Janet
 
 Sent from
 Mail
 for Windows
 
 From: Richard Turner
 Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:25 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
 
 When you say it is iOS updates that are taking so much room; what 
 do you mean?
 Do you have old updates still on your phone?
 I thought Anna Dresner once gave steps to delete old iOS updates; 
 but I'm not finding that info right now.
 I am also not finding where they would be sitting taking up space.
 
 
 Richard
 "Reality is the leading 

RE: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Carolyn]

I tried that, but it did not word. I don't think Done ever became Edit, when I 
pressed it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Barbara Stahl
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 3:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

So if you don't remember your voicemail password, go to settings then phone 
then change voicemail password.  Then you can change it and then access your 
voicemail by calling your own number.  Once you do that, I believe you can go 
through the automated settings  in the voicemail service and tell it you don't 
want to use a password.  I believe that I did that a long time ago because when 
I just tried calling myself it did not ask me to enter a password.  


> On Nov 15, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> When I used to check my voice mail via the voice mail option on my 
> iPhone, I couldn't hear the message if I took my ear away from my 
> iPhone either.  That's why I used to call myself and get my voice 
> mails that way since I could use the speaker phone option of my 
> iPhone.  Yes, the You Mail app, is available in the United States.
> There is a paid version, but I've never felt I needed it.  The free 
> version works just fine for me.
> 
>> On 11/15/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> I don’t’ find any old iOS updates on my phone or in iCloud.
>> Once you install them, they are no longer sitting there.
>> 
>> What makes you think the iOS updates is what is taking up your memory?
>> 
>> You can check by opening Settings, General, iPhone Storage.
>> All the apps will be listed there in descending order of size, 
>> largest apps first.
>> 
>> If you have an iOS update waiting to be installed, it will be there 
>> as well.
>> 
>> How much memory is shown as available?
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> “Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow 
>> is exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only 
>> different kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin
>> 
>> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of janet gross
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:29 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Richard,
>> Don’t all the updates we download store in the iCloud? If Anna gave 
>> instructions to delete the old updates, wouldn’t that mean they are 
>> storing some where? This is something to find out.
>> 
>> 
>> Janet
>> 
>> Sent from
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>> ce23848da488634b708d9a7dfbdce%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%
>> 7C0%7C637725401714903832%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAi
>> LCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000=nqybXvZBY
>> cKvYJHaCT8s6eLyWhqrMUDMCKWyjQG6XMk%3D=0>
>> for Windows
>> 
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> When you say it is iOS updates that are taking so much room; what do 
>> you mean?
>> Do you have old updates still on your phone?
>> I thought Anna Dresner once gave steps to delete old iOS updates; but 
>> I'm not finding that info right now.
>> I am also not finding where they would be sitting taking up space.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
>> -- Jane Wagner
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> website:  www.turner42.com
>> 
>> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, janet gross 
>> mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> Well, this really stinks!  Smile!  One of my main issues are I have 
>> to let other people hear some of the messages I get.  As far as 
>> getting rid of some of my apps, I don’t really have a whole lot, as 
>> most of the space is taken up from the large iOS updates.  Thank you 
>> anyway, as I greatly appreciate it.
>> 
>> Janet
>> 
>> Sent from
>> Mail> Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986=04%7C01%7C%7Cd08
>> ce23848da488634b708d9a7dfbdce%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%
>> 7C0%7C637725401714913792%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAi
>> LCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000=1HTeVGjxg
>> JdAninqL9PVIA1a8ghJHVkh%2BRYAaFVSqbY%3D=0>
>> for Windows
>> 
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> For now, use earphones.
>> Maybe 15.2 will be better and maybe you will be able to update at 
>> some point by clearing out some space.
>> But, for now, you are stuck with 

Voicemail password.

[Carolyn]

I went to Phone in Settings, got to password, set it in, but
when I tried, I got the message it was the wrong password. 

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Cannot hear my son and he cannot hear me on call

[jkt4960]

Hi list,

 

I'm not explaining this well. I have an iPhone SE 2020 with latest software.
My son just called me, it rang fine but when I answered I could not hear him
and he could not hear me. He has an android phone, a google pixel, I think.
I tried calling back with the same result multiple times. I tried calling my
sister who has an iPhone and everything worked fine. I restarted the phone
and it came back with voiceover acting sluggish, responding very slow. That
went away after a while but I still can't talk to my son. We can send text
messages but no voice. Were people having trouble with something similar a
few months ago?

 

All help appreciated,

 

Joe Thibault  

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RE: new iPhone

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

If I want to re-read a BARD book, I just download it again from BARD.  Am I 
missing something here?  Just curious.

Pam

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone

The minie's don't have good enough battery life for me.  That's the
point when it comes to bard books.  You can either stream or download
audible books, however, you can't do that with bard books.  The only
place you can keep your bard mobile books is on your iPhone.  I really
hope that will change.  I hate the thought of all my downloaded books
only on one device not backed up.  Of course, I always make sure my
bard book is backed up to my external hard drive.  However, I have to
redownload that book again to my external hard drive if the only copy
of the book is on my iPhone.  Of course, I have to make sure my
external hard drive is also backed up in case something goes wrong
with my drive.  It is very interesting about these new iPhones that
will be coming in future.  You can just do so much cool stuff with
them.

On 11/15/21, Paula Jordan  wrote:
> I have a 13 mini and love it.
> God bless!
> Paula and the pups
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Carolyn
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
> I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the first
> of the year or maybe next spring.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
> I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn't really take off
>
> I'm not sure about he 13 mini,
>
>
>
> But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay
>
> And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost device.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
>
>
> I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be an
> iPhone SE or Mini any more after next year.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Interesting article,
>
>
>
> I question though the comment that under screen touch id would appear in a
> future SE before the iPhone flag ship,
>
>
>
> I would have thought that any new feature like this would go in to the flag
> ship phones / devices before a lsecond rate device like the SE
>
>
>
> And that isn't a down play on the SE,
>
>
>
> But they are not made to be the top of the line devices,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Richard Petty
> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 9:38 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
>
>
> Sieghard, thank you for sharing the full article. For those of us who would
> hope for an under-display Touch ID, it seems some don't think this will
> happen. Below is a quote from the article:
>
>
>
> According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple is working on iPhones that
> will feature under-display Touch ID, but these devices are not expected to
> launch until 2023. Other sources like Bloomberg have disagreed that Apple is
> focused on under-display Touch ID, and it's not clear if the feature would
> be included in Apple's flagship iPhones or devices like a future iPhone SE.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 1:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
>
>
> Dennis already answered your question, but depending on what you have now I
> would seriously consider to wait for the iPhone 14. I just read an article
> where it said that the 14 Pro models may very well still get under the
> screen Touch Id in addition to Face Id and depending on how bad this current
> chip shortage issue is next year, Apple may drastically increase the
> performance of the A16 chip (as well as the new chips they use in their Mac
> computers of course).
>
> In the below Mac Rumors article all of these rumors are nicely summarized
> and explained, but this article does not mention another one I saw recently
> where they expect that the iPhone 14 will use a chip based on 3 Nanometer
> architecture which could have up to 40 cores, I assume that if this won't be
> in the iPhone 14 it will be in the 

RE: Siri not letting you send messages?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Sieghard

I will say that the weight of the 13 pro max is very noticeable over the 13pro
Infact I’ve already had to find a different case
To cut the weight down  and crazily went away from a magsafe case which I did 
find bulkie


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 6:41 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri not letting you send messages?

I agree with Simon, you really want to check out the 13 series phones. I 
personally think the Lidar feature could be useful, but I haven't really heard 
a lot about it on this list and how blindness related apps are all over it and 
taking advantage of it.
Therefore you really might want to consider also just the regular iPhone 13 
which will be a lot gentler on your bank account especially if you compare it 
to the 13 Pro Max.
Keep in mind that your iPhone 7 Plus is noticeably larger physically and even a 
bit heavier than the iPhone 13 and 13 Pro (those two phones are identical in 
physical size, screen size and weight) but your 7 Plus has only a 5.5 inch 
screen whereas the 13 and 13 Pro have a 6.1 inch screen.

If you compare iPhone 7 Plus and 13/13 Pro, your 7 Plus is almost half an inch 
longer and about a quarter inch wider even though screen size is 0.51 inches 
smaller.
The iPhone 13/13 Pro is about half an ounce lighter than your 7 Plus.

Compared to your iPhone 7 Plus the iPhone 13 Pro Max is less than an eigth of 
an inch longer and the width is only 0.2 mm more which is not noticeable.
Actually when you look at the width given in imperial measurement (inches) it's 
actually the same because 0.2 mm in inches is 0.0078 inches and Apple only 
gives 2 decimal points when providing the inches measurement.
Another way to look at it is that 0.2 mm is less than the thickness of a normal 
finger nail.
However, the 13 Pro Max has a 6.7 inch screen which is measured diagonally from 
one corner to the other which is well over an inch more than your iPhone 7 Plus.
Another very noticeable difference if you held your iPhone 7 Plus in one hand 
and a 13 Pro Max in the other is its weight as the 13 Pro Max is almost 2 
ounces heavier.

In summary, iPhone 13/13 Pro are smaller and a bit lighter than your phone but 
have a larger screen, iPhone 13 Pro Max is basically the same size as yours, 
but noticeable heaver.

At one point I looked up the actual specs for the older Plus phones like your 7 
Plus or the 8 Plus which is the same and the new 13 series iPhones and I made a 
little table to compare them which I pasted below and on which I based the 
above explanations.
You can check the actual numbers using the table reading command in Jaws or 
whatever equivalent NVDA probably has to read across the columns and compare 
each phone:

Specs
iPhone 7 Plus
iPhone 13
Iphone 13 Pro
iPhone 13 Pro Max
Height (in Millimeters)
158.2
146.7
146.7
160.8
Width (in Millimeters)
77.9
71.5
71.5
78.1
Thickness (in Millimeters)
7.3
7.7
7.65
7.65
Weight (in Grams)
188
174
203
238
Height (in inches)
6.23
5.78
5.78
6.33
Width (in inches)
3.07
2.81
2.82
3.07
Thickness (in inches)
0.29
0.3
0.3
0.3
Weight (in Ounces)
6.63
6.14
7.16
8.39
Screen Size (in inches)
5.5 (67.7% screen-to-body ratio)
6.1 (86.0% screen-to-body ratio)
6.1 (86.0% screen-to-body ratio)
6.7 (87.4% screen-to-body ratio)
IP (waterproof/dustproof) rating
IP67 up to 1 meter for 30 minutes
IP68 up to 6 meters for 30 minute
IP68 up to 6 meters for 30 minute
IP68 up to 6 meters for 30 minute


Take care,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: November 14, 2021 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri not letting you send messages?

Well, I guess I'd be better off with the 13 Pro Max.  Right?

Thanks.

Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

On Nov 14, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

A regular 13 Pro will be significantly smaller than your 7 Plus.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: November 14, 2021 6:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri not letting you send messages?

Mine is doing that again as well.  At first, it straightened out, but now I 
can't even dictate a message without it turning itself off.  I have a 7+ but I 
soon will be getting a new phone--probably the 13 Pro.  I heard that the Pro 
Max is huge, perhaps the size of an iPad?  Is that right?  Take care everyone.

Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


On Nov 13, 2021, at 1:53 AM, Adam Morris 
mailto:li...@damorris.com>> wrote:
 Hi all,
A friend of mine has the issue where she will ask Siri to send a message, she 
starts to say her message and only gets two words out before Siri thinks she 
has finished.
She knows not to pause 

RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

[Simon A Fogarty]

Quarter of an inch,
That’s a whole 6mm,

But you’re right,

As I said I could easily get away with the pro
But got the pro max

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 6:57 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

Simon, those are the screen size measured diagonally, a difference of 0.2 
inches which is less than a quarter of an inch and I personally don't see how 
that would affect a blind person.

Just to add to my previousemail with the exact comparison between Esther's 7 
Plus and the 13/13 Pro and 13 Pro Max, here are the actual physical dimensions 
of the iPhone 11 Pro Max which I believe you had:

158 x 77.8 x 8.1 mm
6.22 x 3.06 x 0.32 inches

That is basically exactly the same as an old Plus phone like the 7 Plus or 8 
Plus, width is the same exactly, height is 6.22 inches for the 11 Pro Max and 
6.23 inches for the 7 Plus so a difference of 0.01 inches, once again so small 
you can notice if you put one phone on top of the other, but holding them it's 
more the width you would notice and that is the same.
Comparing a 11 Pro Max to a 13 Pro Max the width once again is the same and the 
height is now 0.1 inches less on the 11 Pro Max (6.23 vs 6.33) in millimeter 
that is 2.8mm and 3mm is an eight of an inch so once again extremely small.
The weight of the 11 Pro Max is 12 grams less, a fair bit less than half an 
ounce.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: November 14, 2021 11:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

And the 13 pro max and 11 pro max are slightly different agin
The 11 pro max is 6.5 inchs,
The 13 and 12 pro max’s are 6.7 inchs
 And it’s actually quite a bit difference in size

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
jennie.fa...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 3:49 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

Hi,

The XR I believe is 6.1 and the maxes are 6.7. The only difference between the 
12 pro max and the 13 pro max is that the buttons are placed differently. Other 
than that, they are both the same size, by quite a bit bigger than an XR.

Hope this helps,
Jenn

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Casey 
Wollner
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: the iPhone 13 pro max

Hi I have the 10 r phone currently.
Now if I was to upgrade to the 13 pro max what would I be gaining and how big 
would the 13 pro max be compared to the 10 r that I have now?
Also would I have more batter life with the 13 pro max then with my 10 r if by 
how much?
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RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

[Simon A Fogarty]

You have to remember that the phone size you hear about is the screen size,

Sieghard
Just posted the physical specs of the 8 phone compared to the 13,

The physical size is different but it’s the screen size that they tell you 
about,

I but if you put say the 13 beside the 8
There wont be a lot of physical difference between the two devices.

Infact I think the mini are a similar physical size to the 8 and SE 2020


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of mich 
verrier
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 7:00 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

I am glad you posted this to me as some one who has a Iphone 8 and am thinking 
of upgrading how ever I am not shure when as I have said before I like the sise 
of the phone not in gigs all thoughthat is important but how the hone fits in 
my hand is also important to me. I like to be able to hold the phone in one 
hand I don’t like the larger phones that you have to hold with 2 hands. Just my 
thoughts. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: November 15, 2021 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

Simon, those are the screen size measured diagonally, a difference of 0.2 
inches which is less than a quarter of an inch and I personally don't see how 
that would affect a blind person.

Just to add to my previousemail with the exact comparison between Esther's 7 
Plus and the 13/13 Pro and 13 Pro Max, here are the actual physical dimensions 
of the iPhone 11 Pro Max which I believe you had:

158 x 77.8 x 8.1 mm
6.22 x 3.06 x 0.32 inches

That is basically exactly the same as an old Plus phone like the 7 Plus or 8 
Plus, width is the same exactly, height is 6.22 inches for the 11 Pro Max and 
6.23 inches for the 7 Plus so a difference of 0.01 inches, once again so small 
you can notice if you put one phone on top of the other, but holding them it's 
more the width you would notice and that is the same.
Comparing a 11 Pro Max to a 13 Pro Max the width once again is the same and the 
height is now 0.1 inches less on the 11 Pro Max (6.23 vs 6.33) in millimeter 
that is 2.8mm and 3mm is an eight of an inch so once again extremely small.
The weight of the 11 Pro Max is 12 grams less, a fair bit less than half an 
ounce.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: November 14, 2021 11:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

And the 13 pro max and 11 pro max are slightly different agin
The 11 pro max is 6.5 inchs,
The 13 and 12 pro max’s are 6.7 inchs
 And it’s actually quite a bit difference in size

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
jennie.fa...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 3:49 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

Hi,

The XR I believe is 6.1 and the maxes are 6.7. The only difference between the 
12 pro max and the 13 pro max is that the buttons are placed differently. Other 
than that, they are both the same size, by quite a bit bigger than an XR.

Hope this helps,
Jenn

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Casey 
Wollner
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: the iPhone 13 pro max

Hi I have the 10 r phone currently.
Now if I was to upgrade to the 13 pro max what would I be gaining and how big 
would the 13 pro max be compared to the 10 r that I have now?
Also would I have more batter life with the 13 pro max then with my 10 r if by 
how much?
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Re: new iPhone

[Joshua Hendrickson]

The minie's don't have good enough battery life for me.  That's the
point when it comes to bard books.  You can either stream or download
audible books, however, you can't do that with bard books.  The only
place you can keep your bard mobile books is on your iPhone.  I really
hope that will change.  I hate the thought of all my downloaded books
only on one device not backed up.  Of course, I always make sure my
bard book is backed up to my external hard drive.  However, I have to
redownload that book again to my external hard drive if the only copy
of the book is on my iPhone.  Of course, I have to make sure my
external hard drive is also backed up in case something goes wrong
with my drive.  It is very interesting about these new iPhones that
will be coming in future.  You can just do so much cool stuff with
them.

On 11/15/21, Paula Jordan  wrote:
> I have a 13 mini and love it.
> God bless!
> Paula and the pups
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Carolyn
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
> I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the first
> of the year or maybe next spring.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
> I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn’t really take off
>
> I’m not sure about he 13 mini,
>
>
>
> But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay
>
> And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost device.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
>
>
> I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be an
> iPhone SE or Mini any more after next year.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Interesting article,
>
>
>
> I question though the comment that under screen touch id would appear in a
> future SE before the iPhone flag ship,
>
>
>
> I would have thought that any new feature like this would go in to the flag
> ship phones / devices before a lsecond rate device like the SE
>
>
>
> And that isn’t a down play on the SE,
>
>
>
> But they are not made to be the top of the line devices,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Richard Petty
> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 9:38 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
>
>
> Sieghard, thank you for sharing the full article. For those of us who would
> hope for an under-display Touch ID, it seems some don’t think this will
> happen. Below is a quote from the article:
>
>
>
> According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple is working on iPhones that
> will feature under-display Touch ID, but these devices are not expected to
> launch until 2023. Other sources like Bloomberg have disagreed that Apple is
> focused on under-display Touch ID, and it's not clear if the feature would
> be included in Apple's flagship iPhones or devices like a future iPhone SE.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 1:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
>
>
> Dennis already answered your question, but depending on what you have now I
> would seriously consider to wait for the iPhone 14. I just read an article
> where it said that the 14 Pro models may very well still get under the
> screen Touch Id in addition to Face Id and depending on how bad this current
> chip shortage issue is next year, Apple may drastically increase the
> performance of the A16 chip (as well as the new chips they use in their Mac
> computers of course).
>
> In the below Mac Rumors article all of these rumors are nicely summarized
> and explained, but this article does not mention another one I saw recently
> where they expect that the iPhone 14 will use a chip based on 3 Nanometer
> architecture which could have up to 40 cores, I assume that if this won't be
> in the iPhone 14 it will be in the iPhone 15 in 2023.
>
> Another rumored featured I look forward to is the ability to send emergency
> messages by satellite if no cellular connectivity is available. There are
> currently devices which can do this like the Garmin Inreach family of GPS's,
> the "Zoleo" satellite communicator and the Spot X 

RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Simon A Fogarty]

Agreed,


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 7:09 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.
Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?
You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.
I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.
Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT
>
> Esther
>
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>
>   On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>   
>   
>
>   
>
>   Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh your 
> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an 
> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good 
> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally 
> really don't see too much benefit.
>
>   I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is one 
> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they 
> often have offered cheaper plans.
>
>   Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more 
> phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have 
> saved me an extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would 
> be my wife, my store manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.
>
>   Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for $27 a 
> months I could have an iPhone 13 128 Gb which after 2 years I could 
> simply give back to them and get a new iPhone which would be the 15 at 
> that point. It was almost tempting, but I decided to just keep my 
> iPhone 11 which works great, has more than enough battery life for me 
> and with every year I keep it I save money.
>
>   If I had kept my iPhone 8 last year which is when I upgraded to the
> 11 I would definitely have updated to an iPhone 13 this year.
>
>   
>
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Esther Levegnale
>   Sent: November 14, 2021 4:57 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   Hi, Everyone,
>
>   
>
>   Well, my Siri is acting up again.  I guess it's time to get a new 
> iPhone!
> I've been in the market to getting one anyway, and now I know I need 
> to do this.  Joshua, I would also like the same amount of space on 
> mine that you would have on yours because I download, not only a lot 
> of books, but a lot of music as well.  Are you getting the 13 Pro?
>
>   
>
>   Anyway, I hope all of you are doing well and having a great weekend.
>
>   
>
>   Take care.
>
>   
>
>   Esther
>
>   Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
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RE: new iPhone

[Paula Jordan]

I have a 13 mini and love it.
God bless!
Paula and the pups

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new iPhone

I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the first of 
the year or maybe next spring. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new iPhone

I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn’t really take off 

I’m not sure about he 13 mini,

 

But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay 

And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost device.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new iPhone

 

I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be an iPhone 
SE or Mini any more after next year.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: new iPhone

 

Thanks,

Interesting article,

 

I question though the comment that under screen touch id would appear in a 
future SE before the iPhone flag ship,

 

I would have thought that any new feature like this would go in to the flag 
ship phones / devices before a lsecond rate device like the SE

 

And that isn’t a down play on the SE,

 

But they are not made to be the top of the line devices,

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Petty
Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 9:38 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: new iPhone

 

Sieghard, thank you for sharing the full article. For those of us who would 
hope for an under-display Touch ID, it seems some don’t think this will happen. 
Below is a quote from the article:

 

According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple is working on iPhones that will 
feature under-display Touch ID, but these devices are not expected to launch 
until 2023. Other sources like Bloomberg have disagreed that Apple is focused 
on under-display Touch ID, and it's not clear if the feature would be included 
in Apple's flagship iPhones or devices like a future iPhone SE.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 1:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: new iPhone

 

Dennis already answered your question, but depending on what you have now I 
would seriously consider to wait for the iPhone 14. I just read an article 
where it said that the 14 Pro models may very well still get under the screen 
Touch Id in addition to Face Id and depending on how bad this current chip 
shortage issue is next year, Apple may drastically increase the performance of 
the A16 chip (as well as the new chips they use in their Mac computers of 
course).

In the below Mac Rumors article all of these rumors are nicely summarized and 
explained, but this article does not mention another one I saw recently where 
they expect that the iPhone 14 will use a chip based on 3 Nanometer 
architecture which could have up to 40 cores, I assume that if this won't be in 
the iPhone 14 it will be in the iPhone 15 in 2023.

Another rumored featured I look forward to is the ability to send emergency 
messages by satellite if no cellular connectivity is available. There are 
currently devices which can do this like the Garmin Inreach family of GPS's, 
the "Zoleo" satellite communicator and the Spot X Satellite Communicator. 
Inreach and Zoleo use the Iridium Satellite network, Spot uses Globalstar. The 
rumor is that the iPhone 14 will use a chip from Qualcomm which has satellite 
capabilities and this would be a pretty big deal for many who live in remote 
areas or who venture out for outdoor activities up here in Canada where often 
you have no cellular coverage. Actually, there are often emergency situations 
where people from Vancouver who are not at all equipped and capable go on hikes 
in the Northshore mountains just outside Vancouver because they see some nice 
picture on Instagram and want to experience the place and then they end up in 
some situation where Search and Rescue has to come get them and even there just 
a few miles outside Vancouver you often have valleys and areas in the mountains 
where cell coverage just doesn't exist.

Anyways, here is a link to the article:

 

iPhone 14: Everything We Know | MacRumors 
 

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[lenron brown]

face id works fine, yes there are times where it's annoying but it
works. This still doesn't stop me from wanting touch id though. If I
could go back to it and not have to use the se 2020 I have I would.
The Iphone 15 might come with touch id if so I would buy it.

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> And, make sure it is at least one foot away from your face.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
> Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be waving
> it 藍
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. Even
> though I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate having
> touch ID as an option. There are times I just find it annoying to have to
> wave the phone in front of my face.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Alan Lemly
>
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>
> Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than
> Touch ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch
> ID if your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.
>
>
>
> Alan Lemly
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
>
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>
> Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate
> it's unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.
>
> Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an
> iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?
>
> You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more
> reliable than Touch Id.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
>
> Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>
> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and
> unlimited talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a
> 13 pro this year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to
> wait a couple more years to do so, I can do it.
>
> I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a
> lot of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.
>
> Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in
> available time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone
> 8.
>
>
>
> On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net
>  > wrote:
>
>> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.
>
>>
>
>> -Original Message-
>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>
>> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM
>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>
>> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT
>
>>
>
>> Esther
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel
>> mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 
>
>>
>
>> Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do
>> witgh your
>
>> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an
>
>> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good
>
>> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally
>
>> really don't see too much benefit.
>
>>
>
>> I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus
>> is one
>
>> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they
>
>> often have offered cheaper plans.
>
>>
>
>> Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the
>> more
>
>> 

RE: weirdness with VO and asking Siri to spell

[Richard Turner]

I hope everyone is writing 
accessibil...@apple.com and reporting these 
insane variations on words.

Asking for the spelling of Déjà vu and getting “t n n o r m a l l” is 
absolutely insane.
That isn’t a word in any language I know of.




Richard
“Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is 
exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: weirdness with VO and asking Siri to spell

I get the same, not necessarily these words. I have also asked siri to spell a 
word, in which she does correctly, but she adds nonsensical letters at the end 
of the word. Because of the craziness with siri lately, unless I'm away from 
home, I use my Amazon Alexa for info instead. At least she hseems to be 
intelligent.

Donna




Since installing 15.1 I have noticed Siri returning bizarre answers for words I 
want the correct spelling of.



For example, I asked Siri to spell junk and it spells it j u n k.  But if I ask 
for the spelling of dejavu I get t n n o r m a l e e.  Truly bizzar.



Has anyone else seen this and is there a fix for it?  I have tested with a 
number of other words and almost all of them give the spelling but with t n n o 
r m a l either before the word or after it.



Thanks for any help.





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Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Paul Sandoval]

Hi all,
I’ve been dealing with this problem for years. My work around is one of the 
following:
I’m a t-Mobile user, and I can dial 123, and this will call my voicemail. As 
long as I’m calling from my own number, I do not get prompted for a voicemail 
pass word.
This allows me to use the classic style of checking my voicemail messages.

I believe other carriers may have a different number. I seem to remember 
Verizon may use *123, not sure about that though.

Alternatively, if I want to use visual voicemail:
1. Locate the message, and double tap it to begin playing
2. Flick right with one finger three times to reach the play back destination 
button, You will not be able to hear this well as VoiceOver only comes through 
the earpiece at this point.
3. Double tap the play back destination button to switch to speaker phone.  
You should now be able to restart any pending messages and hear them through 
the speaker phone.
You will have to do this each time you come in to voicemail. I hope this helps 
someone solve this issue.

Paul Sandoval
Blind Tech Training
Expanding Possibilities Using Technology
720-620-8007
> On Nov 15, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Yes exactly, and on some services that works but not all. Meaning being able 
> to turn off the passcode.
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Barbara Stahl  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So if you don't remember your voicemail password, go to settings then phone 
>> then change voicemail password.  Then you can change it and then access your 
>> voicemail by calling your own number.  Once you do that, I believe you can 
>> go through the automated settings  in the voicemail service and tell it you 
>> don't want to use a password.  I believe that I did that a long time ago 
>> because when I just tried calling myself it did not ask me to enter a 
>> password.  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I used to check my voice mail via the voice mail option on my
>>> iPhone, I couldn't hear the message if I took my ear away from my
>>> iPhone either.  That's why I used to call myself and get my voice
>>> mails that way since I could use the speaker phone option of my
>>> iPhone.  Yes, the You Mail app, is available in the United States.
>>> There is a paid version, but I've never felt I needed it.  The free
>>> version works just fine for me.
>>> 
 On 11/15/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
 I don’t’ find any old iOS updates on my phone or in iCloud.
 Once you install them, they are no longer sitting there.
 
 What makes you think the iOS updates is what is taking up your memory?
 
 You can check by opening Settings, General, iPhone Storage.
 All the apps will be listed there in descending order of size, largest apps
 first.
 
 If you have an iOS update waiting to be installed, it will be there as
 well.
 
 How much memory is shown as available?
 
 
 Richard
 “Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is
 exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different
 kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin
 
 My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 janet
 gross
 Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:29 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
 
 Richard,
 Don’t all the updates we download store in the iCloud? If Anna gave
 instructions to delete the old updates, wouldn’t that mean they are storing
 some where? This is something to find out.
 
 
 Janet
 
 Sent from
 Mail
 for Windows
 
 From: Richard Turner
 Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:25 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
 
 When you say it is iOS updates that are taking so much room; what do you
 mean?
 Do you have old updates still on your phone?
 I thought Anna Dresner once gave steps to delete old iOS updates; but I'm
 not finding that info right now.
 I am also not finding where they would be sitting taking up space.
 
 
 Richard
 "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
 it."
 -- Jane Wagner
 
 
 
 
 
 website:  www.turner42.com
 
 (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
 
 On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, janet gross
 

Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Joseph Hudson]

Well that's why there's the reset function under settings/phone.

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 3:35 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Then, I have no idea how in the world I'd know what it is, thanks. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joseph Hudson
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
> 
> No, this will be a four or seven digit number that you were typing after you 
> called your voicemail. This has nothing to do with your AT password to get 
> into your my account. Two totally separate things.
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 10:50 AM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Joseph, would the password be my AT password to get Voicemail? 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of janet gross
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Hi Joseph,
>> 
>> Ok now, I’ve never heard of this one until now.  So if I call myself, 
>> chances I’m not going to know the password as I’ve never used this feature, 
>> or are you talking about my password to my Apple ID? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you.  
>> 
>> Janet
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Mail   for 
>> Windows
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Joseph Hudson 
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> No, it's not time to call Apple. I will tell you this much, you might want 
>> to try dialing your voicemail directly meaning dialing your phone number. 
>> And then going in that way. If you don't remember the password to get into 
>> it, you can go to settings/phone to reset your password.
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:33 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sieghard,
>>> I did turn off the phone, and back on, as well as the audio setting, but 
>>> still no difference. I cleaned my phone yesterday.  I wonder is this time 
>>> for to call Apple.  LOL! 
>>> 
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>> 
>>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:26 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>> 
>>> Maybe turn it off, then turn your phone off. While it is off use the 
>>> opportunity to give your screen a good cleaning by which I mean wipe it 
>>> down with a damp but not wet to the point where it is dripping cloth and 
>>> then with a soft dry cloth afterwards.
>>> Then turn your phone back on and go back into Voiceover Settings > Audio 
>>> and turn the Auto Select Speaker option back on and see if that does 
>>> anything.
>>> If that still doesn't help and you don't want to upgrade you can try a 
>>> Reset Network Settings, it can fix all sorts of issues sometimes.
>>> Keep in mind that  you will have to know your WiFi password and reconnect 
>>> to your WiFi after you reboot.
>>> Reset Network Settings is in Settings > General > Reset
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of janet gross
>>> Sent: November 14, 2021 6:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I just followed your steps, but it didn’t help.  Although, the setting was 
>>> already turned on.  Any other suggestions?  Thank you. 
>>> 
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>> 
>>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:06 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>> 
>>> Go to Settings > Accessibility > Voiceover > Audio Then swipe until 
>>> you hear "Auto Select Speaker in Call" and make sure this is On, if it says 
>>> "Off" then it would be normal that the audio doesn't switch automatically 
>>> when you take the phone away from your ear.
>>> If it is off just double tap and it will change to On, then close settings 
>>> and you should be fine.
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of janet gross
>>> Sent: November 14, 2021 5:59 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Can you tell me how to do this? Then maybe I might be able to rectify my 
>>> issue. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you. 
>>> 
>>> Janet
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>> 
>>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:51 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>> 
>>> Have you checked to make sure the Setting responsible for auto switching 
>>> didn't somehow get turned off?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
>>> janet gross
>>> Sent: November 14, 2021 5:45 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> For quite some time 

RE: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Carolyn]

Then, I have no idea how in the world I'd know what it is, thanks. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joseph Hudson
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

No, this will be a four or seven digit number that you were typing after you 
called your voicemail. This has nothing to do with your AT password to get 
into your my account. Two totally separate things.

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 10:50 AM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Joseph, would the password be my AT password to get Voicemail? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of janet gross
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
> 
> Hi Joseph,
> 
> Ok now, I’ve never heard of this one until now.  So if I call myself, chances 
> I’m not going to know the password as I’ve never used this feature, or are 
> you talking about my password to my Apple ID? 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you.  
> 
> Janet
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail   for 
> Windows
> 
> 
> 
> From: Joseph Hudson 
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
> 
> 
> 
> No, it's not time to call Apple. I will tell you this much, you might want to 
> try dialing your voicemail directly meaning dialing your phone number. And 
> then going in that way. If you don't remember the password to get into it, 
> you can go to settings/phone to reset your password.
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:33 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Sieghard,
>> I did turn off the phone, and back on, as well as the audio setting, but 
>> still no difference. I cleaned my phone yesterday.  I wonder is this time 
>> for to call Apple.  LOL! 
>> 
>> Janet
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:26 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Maybe turn it off, then turn your phone off. While it is off use the 
>> opportunity to give your screen a good cleaning by which I mean wipe it down 
>> with a damp but not wet to the point where it is dripping cloth and then 
>> with a soft dry cloth afterwards.
>> Then turn your phone back on and go back into Voiceover Settings > Audio and 
>> turn the Auto Select Speaker option back on and see if that does anything.
>> If that still doesn't help and you don't want to upgrade you can try a Reset 
>> Network Settings, it can fix all sorts of issues sometimes.
>> Keep in mind that  you will have to know your WiFi password and reconnect to 
>> your WiFi after you reboot.
>> Reset Network Settings is in Settings > General > Reset
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of janet gross
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 6:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I just followed your steps, but it didn’t help.  Although, the setting was 
>> already turned on.  Any other suggestions?  Thank you. 
>> 
>> Janet
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Go to Settings > Accessibility > Voiceover > Audio Then swipe until 
>> you hear "Auto Select Speaker in Call" and make sure this is On, if it says 
>> "Off" then it would be normal that the audio doesn't switch automatically 
>> when you take the phone away from your ear.
>> If it is off just double tap and it will change to On, then close settings 
>> and you should be fine.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of janet gross
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 5:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Can you tell me how to do this? Then maybe I might be able to rectify my 
>> issue. 
>> 
>> Thank you. 
>> 
>> Janet
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Have you checked to make sure the Setting responsible for auto switching 
>> didn't somehow get turned off?
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
>> janet gross
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 5:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> For quite some time now, when I listen to a phone message, I have to hold 
>> the phone to my ear to hear the message, and if I pull my phone away from my 
>> ear while listening to a message, I can’t hear the message.  I want to use 
>> the speaker to listen to the message.  Can someone please tell me what I can 
>> do to 

RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Carolyn]

And, make sure it is at least one foot away from your face. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be waving it 藍

 

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. Even though 
I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate having touch ID as an 
option. There are times I just find it annoying to have to wave the phone in 
front of my face.

 

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-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

 

Alan Lemly

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.

Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?

You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.

I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.

Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

 

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
 > wrote:

> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 

> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale

> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

> 

> 

> 

> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT

> 

> Esther

> 

> 

> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> 

> 

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel   > wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh 
> your 

> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an 

> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good 

> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally 

> really don't see too much benefit.

> 

> I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is 
> one 

> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they 

> often have offered cheaper plans.

> 

> Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more 

> phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have 

> saved me an extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would 

> be my wife, my store manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.

> 

> Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for $27 a 

> months I could have an iPhone 13 128 Gb which after 2 years I could 

> simply give back to them and get a new iPhone which would be the 15 at 

> that point. It was almost tempting, but I 

RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Kevin,

I'm surprised by this,

Face id is pretty good 
I have had no real issues with it other than sun reflection on a bright day,
And that's from the iPHone x 
11 pro max and the 13 pro max,

But I do think the camera in the 13pm has gotten better with face id,

But it's all in how you hold the phone in front of your face,

 I'd suggest you practise if you can 
Just sit down and keep practising holding the phone directly in front of your 
face and listenling in 

The more you practise the better you will get at knowing  where the phone is in 
front of your face.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
Minor
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 7:21 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Hi.

Maybe Face ID has gotten better than the iPhone X that I have. It rarely works 
for me.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.
Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?
You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.
I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.
Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT
>
> Esther
>
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>
>   On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>   
>   
>
>   
>
>   Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh your 
> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an 
> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good 
> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally 
> really don't see too much benefit.
>
>   I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is one 
> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they 
> often have offered cheaper plans.
>
>   Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more 
> phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have 
> saved me an extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would 
> be my wife, my store manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.
>
>   Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for $27 a 
> months I could have an iPhone 13 128 Gb which after 2 years I could 
> simply give back to them and get a new iPhone which would be the 15 at 
> that point. It was almost tempting, but I decided to just keep my 
> iPhone 11 which works great, has more than enough battery life for me 
> and with every year I keep it I save money.
>
>   If I had kept my iPhone 8 last year which is when I upgraded to the
> 11 I would definitely have updated to an iPhone 13 this year.
>
>   
>
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Esther Levegnale
>   Sent: November 14, 2021 4:57 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   Hi, Everyone,
>
>   
>
>   Well, my Siri is acting up again.  I guess it's time to get a new 
> iPhone!
> I've been in the market to getting one anyway, and now I know 

RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Richard Turner]

I thought the subject line was clear enough without having to ramble on and on 
about the irritating tendency of people to continually respond to a message and 
write things completely unrelated to the original subject; rather than starting 
a new message with control_n or Command+n or whatever the way you start a new 
message so it begins a new thread on the subject you actually want to talk 
about.

But, apparently, I cannot expect a subject line which says all I needed to say 
to be enough for some.





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exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different 
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Fogarty
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Acting Crazy Again!

Sorry but is there meant to be a message here somewhere,

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Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 7:26 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
Acting Crazy Again!





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RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Sieghard

I thought the max would be the better option for me with slightly bigger than 
average fingers,

But I have to admit,
I could easily have done with the pro

Even though it’s a drop in size from the 11pro max,

But I do agree that the larger screen size if your totally blind isn’t really 
going to matter much,
>From a visual aspect.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 7:23 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

Size is not much different, I once again remain steadfast that the difference 
is screen size is not that important to a blind person.
I can see how somebody who constantly uses braille input may prefer a Max 
phone, but apart from that I don't see the point in having such a large phone 
personally.
As for your battery question you would notice a huge difference especially now 
that your XR battery is several years old and probably only has 85% give or 
take a bit of capacity.
But always ask yourself whether you still get through a normal day with your 
XR's battery and how well the phone works otherwise. I have an iPhone 11 which 
is a year younger than the XR and I just can't see any reason at all to upgrade 
to a 13 series phone especially considering that we probably see some much 
larger changes and improvements next year.
If you are somebody who can't afford a new phone every 2 years than I would 
recommend that you hold on to your xR for another year. Make sure you get a 
good deal on your plan, your phone is probably paid off by now so no reason if 
you are in the US to pay more than $30 or $35 a months, if you pay more switch 
and save some money for a year and then upgrade to an iPhone 14.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Casey 
Wollner
Sent: November 14, 2021 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: the iPhone 13 pro max

Hi I have the 10 r phone currently.
Now if I was to upgrade to the 13 pro max what would I be gaining and how big 
would the 13 pro max be compared to the 10 r that I have now?
Also would I have more batter life with the 13 pro max then with my 10 r if by 
how much?
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RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Simon A Fogarty]

Sorry but is there meant to be a message here somewhere,

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Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 7:26 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
Acting Crazy Again!





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RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Simon A Fogarty]

But it's not going to stay the same price,

 Hell the nz price for the 1tb 13 pro max is $2999
So 3k  

I'd hate to know what the price of a 2tb device would be.

Even in the USA they'd be costly 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 7:31 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

The longer I wait, the more space I'll be able to buy.  I'd be very upset if I 
bought a one terabyte iPhone and the next year, a model came out with 2 
terabytes.  I don't live close to an apple store, so the chances of me getting 
to try an iPhone with face ID isn't great.

On 11/15/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be 
> waving it 藍
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. 
> Even though I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate 
> having touch ID as an option. There are times I just find it annoying 
> to have to wave the phone in front of my face.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Alan Lemly
>
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster 
> than Touch ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone 
> containing Touch ID if your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.
>
>
>
> Alan Lemly
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors 
> indicate it's unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.
>
> Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to 
> use an iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?
>
> You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much 
> more reliable than Touch Id.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Joshua Hendrickson
>
> Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and 
> unlimited talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not 
> getting a
> 13 pro this year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I 
> have to wait a couple more years to do so, I can do it.
>
> I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still 
> has a lot of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.
>
> Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in 
> available time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my 
> iPhone 8.
>
>
>
> On 11/15/21, Carolyn
> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.
>
>>
>
>> -Original Message-
>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>
>> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM
>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
>> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT
>
>>
>
>> Esther
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
>> mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 
>
>>
>
>> Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to 
>> do witgh your
>
>> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an
>
>> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good
>
>> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I 
>> personally
>
>> really don't see too much benefit.
>
>>
>
>> I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. 
>> Telus is one
>
>> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they
>
>> often have offered cheaper plans.
>
>>

Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Joseph Hudson]

Yes exactly, and on some services that works but not all. Meaning being able to 
turn off the passcode.

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
> 
> So if you don't remember your voicemail password, go to settings then phone 
> then change voicemail password.  Then you can change it and then access your 
> voicemail by calling your own number.  Once you do that, I believe you can go 
> through the automated settings  in the voicemail service and tell it you 
> don't want to use a password.  I believe that I did that a long time ago 
> because when I just tried calling myself it did not ask me to enter a 
> password.  
> 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> 
>> When I used to check my voice mail via the voice mail option on my
>> iPhone, I couldn't hear the message if I took my ear away from my
>> iPhone either.  That's why I used to call myself and get my voice
>> mails that way since I could use the speaker phone option of my
>> iPhone.  Yes, the You Mail app, is available in the United States.
>> There is a paid version, but I've never felt I needed it.  The free
>> version works just fine for me.
>> 
>>> On 11/15/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> I don’t’ find any old iOS updates on my phone or in iCloud.
>>> Once you install them, they are no longer sitting there.
>>> 
>>> What makes you think the iOS updates is what is taking up your memory?
>>> 
>>> You can check by opening Settings, General, iPhone Storage.
>>> All the apps will be listed there in descending order of size, largest apps
>>> first.
>>> 
>>> If you have an iOS update waiting to be installed, it will be there as
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> How much memory is shown as available?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> “Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is
>>> exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different
>>> kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin
>>> 
>>> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet
>>> gross
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:29 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>> 
>>> Richard,
>>> Don’t all the updates we download store in the iCloud? If Anna gave
>>> instructions to delete the old updates, wouldn’t that mean they are storing
>>> some where? This is something to find out.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>> Sent from
>>> Mail
>>> for Windows
>>> 
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:25 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>> 
>>> When you say it is iOS updates that are taking so much room; what do you
>>> mean?
>>> Do you have old updates still on your phone?
>>> I thought Anna Dresner once gave steps to delete old iOS updates; but I'm
>>> not finding that info right now.
>>> I am also not finding where they would be sitting taking up space.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
>>> -- Jane Wagner
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> website:  www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
>>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, janet gross
>>> mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Richard,
>>> Well, this really stinks!  Smile!  One of my main issues are I have to let
>>> other people hear some of the messages I get.  As far as getting rid of some
>>> of my apps, I don’t really have a whole lot, as most of the space is taken
>>> up from the large iOS updates.  Thank you anyway, as I greatly appreciate
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>> Sent from
>>> Mail
>>> for Windows
>>> 
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:49 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>> 
>>> For now, use earphones.
>>> Maybe 15.2 will be better and maybe you will be able to update at some point
>>> by clearing out some space.
>>> But, for now, you are stuck with using earphones.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are 

RE: weirdness with VO and asking Siri to spell

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hey Dan,

Just wondering if you have the correct region set / language set for your phone 
/ device?

And if you ask a second time for the spelling of “de ja vue”

Does it give the same answer twice?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 9:25 am
To: 'cwc' via VIPhone 
Subject: weirdness with VO and asking Siri to spell


Since installing 15.1 I have noticed Siri returning bizarre answers for words I 
want the correct spelling of.



For example, I asked Siri to spell junk and it spells it j u n k.  But if I ask 
for the spelling of dejavu I get t n n o r m a l e e.  Truly bizzar.



Has anyone else seen this and is there a fix for it?  I have tested with a 
number of other words and almost all of them give the spelling but with t n n o 
r m a l either before the word or after it.



Thanks for any help.





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Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Barbara Stahl]

So if you don't remember your voicemail password, go to settings then phone 
then change voicemail password.  Then you can change it and then access your 
voicemail by calling your own number.  Once you do that, I believe you can go 
through the automated settings  in the voicemail service and tell it you don't 
want to use a password.  I believe that I did that a long time ago because when 
I just tried calling myself it did not ask me to enter a password.  


> On Nov 15, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> When I used to check my voice mail via the voice mail option on my
> iPhone, I couldn't hear the message if I took my ear away from my
> iPhone either.  That's why I used to call myself and get my voice
> mails that way since I could use the speaker phone option of my
> iPhone.  Yes, the You Mail app, is available in the United States.
> There is a paid version, but I've never felt I needed it.  The free
> version works just fine for me.
> 
>> On 11/15/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> I don’t’ find any old iOS updates on my phone or in iCloud.
>> Once you install them, they are no longer sitting there.
>> 
>> What makes you think the iOS updates is what is taking up your memory?
>> 
>> You can check by opening Settings, General, iPhone Storage.
>> All the apps will be listed there in descending order of size, largest apps
>> first.
>> 
>> If you have an iOS update waiting to be installed, it will be there as
>> well.
>> 
>> How much memory is shown as available?
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> “Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is
>> exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different
>> kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin
>> 
>> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet
>> gross
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:29 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Richard,
>> Don’t all the updates we download store in the iCloud? If Anna gave
>> instructions to delete the old updates, wouldn’t that mean they are storing
>> some where? This is something to find out.
>> 
>> 
>> Janet
>> 
>> Sent from
>> Mail
>> for Windows
>> 
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> When you say it is iOS updates that are taking so much room; what do you
>> mean?
>> Do you have old updates still on your phone?
>> I thought Anna Dresner once gave steps to delete old iOS updates; but I'm
>> not finding that info right now.
>> I am also not finding where they would be sitting taking up space.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
>> -- Jane Wagner
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> website:  www.turner42.com
>> 
>> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, janet gross
>> mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> Well, this really stinks!  Smile!  One of my main issues are I have to let
>> other people hear some of the messages I get.  As far as getting rid of some
>> of my apps, I don’t really have a whole lot, as most of the space is taken
>> up from the large iOS updates.  Thank you anyway, as I greatly appreciate
>> it.
>> 
>> Janet
>> 
>> Sent from
>> Mail
>> for Windows
>> 
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> For now, use earphones.
>> Maybe 15.2 will be better and maybe you will be able to update at some point
>> by clearing out some space.
>> But, for now, you are stuck with using earphones.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
>> -- Jane Wagner
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> website:  www.turner42.com
>> 
>> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:44 PM, janet gross
>> mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> For quite some 

Re: weirdness with VO and asking Siri to spell

[Donna Casteen]

I get the same, not necessarily these words. I have also asked siri to spell a 
word, in which she does correctly, but she adds nonsensical letters at the end 
of the word. Because of the craziness with siri lately, unless I'm away from 
home, I use my Amazon Alexa for info instead. At least she hseems to be 
intelligent.

Donna

> 
> 
> Since installing 15.1 I have noticed Siri returning bizarre answers for words 
> I want the correct spelling of.
> 
> 
> 
> For example, I asked Siri to spell junk and it spells it j u n k.  But if I 
> ask for the spelling of dejavu I get t n n o r m a l e e.  Truly bizzar.
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone else seen this and is there a fix for it?  I have tested with a 
> number of other words and almost all of them give the spelling but with t n n 
> o r m a l either before the word or after it.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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weirdness with VO and asking Siri to spell

[Dan]

  
  
Since installing 15.1 I have noticed Siri
returning bizarre answers for words I want the correct spelling
of.

  
For example, I asked Siri to spell junk
and it spells it j u n k.  But if I ask for the spelling of
dejavu I get t n n o r m a l e e.  Truly bizzar.

  
Has anyone else seen this and is there a
fix for it?  I have tested with a number of other words and
almost all of them give the spelling but with t n n o r m a l
either before the word or after it.

  
Thanks for any help.

  


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Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Joseph Hudson]

No, this will be a four or seven digit number that you were typing after you 
called your voicemail. This has nothing to do with your AT password to get 
into your my account. Two totally separate things.

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 10:50 AM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Joseph, would the password be my AT password to get Voicemail? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> janet gross
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
> 
> Hi Joseph, 
> 
> Ok now, I’ve never heard of this one until now.  So if I call myself, chances 
> I’m not going to know the password as I’ve never used this feature, or are 
> you talking about my password to my Apple ID? 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you.  
> 
> Janet 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail   for Windows
> 
> 
> 
> From: Joseph Hudson  
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
> 
> 
> 
> No, it's not time to call Apple. I will tell you this much, you might want to 
> try dialing your voicemail directly meaning dialing your phone number. And 
> then going in that way. If you don't remember the password to get into it, 
> you can go to settings/phone to reset your password.
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:33 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Sieghard, 
>> I did turn off the phone, and back on, as well as the audio setting, but 
>> still no difference. I cleaned my phone yesterday.  I wonder is this time 
>> for to call Apple.  LOL! 
>> 
>> Janet 
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:26 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Maybe turn it off, then turn your phone off. While it is off use the 
>> opportunity to give your screen a good cleaning by which I mean wipe it down 
>> with a damp but not wet to the point where it is dripping cloth and then 
>> with a soft dry cloth afterwards.
>> Then turn your phone back on and go back into Voiceover Settings > Audio and 
>> turn the Auto Select Speaker option back on and see if that does anything.
>> If that still doesn't help and you don't want to upgrade you can try a Reset 
>> Network Settings, it can fix all sorts of issues sometimes.
>> Keep in mind that  you will have to know your WiFi password and reconnect to 
>> your WiFi after you reboot.
>> Reset Network Settings is in Settings > General > Reset
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
>> gross
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 6:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> I just followed your steps, but it didn’t help.  Although, the setting was 
>> already turned on.  Any other suggestions?  Thank you. 
>> 
>> Janet 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Go to Settings > Accessibility > Voiceover > Audio
>> Then swipe until you hear "Auto Select Speaker in Call" and make sure this 
>> is On, if it says "Off" then it would be normal that the audio doesn't 
>> switch automatically when you take the phone away from your ear.
>> If it is off just double tap and it will change to On, then close settings 
>> and you should be fine.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
>> gross
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 5:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> Can you tell me how to do this? Then maybe I might be able to rectify my 
>> issue. 
>> 
>> Thank you. 
>> 
>> Janet 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Have you checked to make sure the Setting responsible for auto switching 
>> didn't somehow get turned off?
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of janet 
>> gross
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 5:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Hi Everyone, 
>> For quite some time now, when I listen to a phone message, I have to hold 
>> the phone to my ear to hear the message, and if I pull my phone away from my 
>> ear while listening to a message, I can’t hear the message.  I want to use 
>> the speaker to listen to the message.  Can someone please tell me what I can 
>> do to use the speaker instead of holding the phone to my ear? I’m using my 
>> XR with 14.8.  Please don’t tell me I need to update my phone, as I already 
>> know this, but I don’t have enough of space on my phone for the iOS 15.  
>> 
>> Thank you all in advance. 
>> 
>> Janet 
>> Sent from Mail 

Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Joseph Hudson]

No it won't let her play the messages through visual voicemail on speaker. 
That's what I was trying to explain.

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 10:15 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Joseph, I was under the impression Janet's problem was that her phone doesn't 
> switch to speakerphone when she is on a phone call, what does Voicemail have 
> to do with that? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joseph 
> Hudson
> Sent: November 14, 2021 6:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
> 
> No, it's not time to call Apple. I will tell you this much, you might want to 
> try dialing your voicemail directly meaning dialing your phone number. And 
> then going in that way. If you don't remember the password to get into it, 
> you can go to settings/phone to reset your password.
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:33 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Sieghard,
>> I did turn off the phone, and back on, as well as the audio setting, but 
>> still no difference. I cleaned my phone yesterday.  I wonder is this time 
>> for to call Apple.  LOL! 
>> 
>> Janet
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:26 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Maybe turn it off, then turn your phone off. While it is off use the 
>> opportunity to give your screen a good cleaning by which I mean wipe it down 
>> with a damp but not wet to the point where it is dripping cloth and then 
>> with a soft dry cloth afterwards.
>> Then turn your phone back on and go back into Voiceover Settings > Audio and 
>> turn the Auto Select Speaker option back on and see if that does anything.
>> If that still doesn't help and you don't want to upgrade you can try a Reset 
>> Network Settings, it can fix all sorts of issues sometimes.
>> Keep in mind that  you will have to know your WiFi password and reconnect to 
>> your WiFi after you reboot.
>> Reset Network Settings is in Settings > General > Reset
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> janet gross
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 6:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I just followed your steps, but it didn’t help.  Although, the setting was 
>> already turned on.  Any other suggestions?  Thank you. 
>> 
>> Janet
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Go to Settings > Accessibility > Voiceover > Audio Then swipe until 
>> you hear "Auto Select Speaker in Call" and make sure this is On, if it says 
>> "Off" then it would be normal that the audio doesn't switch automatically 
>> when you take the phone away from your ear.
>> If it is off just double tap and it will change to On, then close settings 
>> and you should be fine.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> janet gross
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 5:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Can you tell me how to do this? Then maybe I might be able to rectify my 
>> issue. 
>> 
>> Thank you. 
>> 
>> Janet
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Have you checked to make sure the Setting responsible for auto switching 
>> didn't somehow get turned off?
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
>> janet gross
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 5:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> For quite some time now, when I listen to a phone message, I have to hold 
>> the phone to my ear to hear the message, and if I pull my phone away from my 
>> ear while listening to a message, I can’t hear the message.  I want to use 
>> the speaker to listen to the message.  Can someone please tell me what I can 
>> do to use the speaker instead of holding the phone to my ear? I’m using my 
>> XR with 14.8.  Please don’t tell me I need to update my phone, as I already 
>> know this, but I don’t have enough of space on my phone for the iOS 15.  
>> 
>> Thank you all in advance. 
>> 
>> Janet
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
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Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Esther, I've had some problems with Siri, but not as bad as you say
what is happening to you.  I think sometimes Siri can get messed up in
apples servers sometimes.  I don't use it as heavily as some people
do.  I usually use it to just make phone calls.  I do know it can do
some more things.  I wish Siri were as good as the google assistant,
or Alexa.

On 11/15/21, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> When I used to check my voice mail via the voice mail option on my
> iPhone, I couldn't hear the message if I took my ear away from my
> iPhone either.  That's why I used to call myself and get my voice
> mails that way since I could use the speaker phone option of my
> iPhone.  Yes, the You Mail app, is available in the United States.
> There is a paid version, but I've never felt I needed it.  The free
> version works just fine for me.
>
> On 11/15/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> I don’t’ find any old iOS updates on my phone or in iCloud.
>> Once you install them, they are no longer sitting there.
>>
>> What makes you think the iOS updates is what is taking up your memory?
>>
>> You can check by opening Settings, General, iPhone Storage.
>> All the apps will be listed there in descending order of size, largest
>> apps
>> first.
>>
>> If you have an iOS update waiting to be installed, it will be there as
>> well.
>>
>> How much memory is shown as available?
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> “Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is
>> exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only
>> different
>> kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin
>>
>> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> janet
>> gross
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:29 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>
>> Richard,
>> Don’t all the updates we download store in the iCloud? If Anna gave
>> instructions to delete the old updates, wouldn’t that mean they are
>> storing
>> some where? This is something to find out.
>>
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> Sent from
>> Mail
>> for Windows
>>
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>
>> When you say it is iOS updates that are taking so much room; what do you
>> mean?
>> Do you have old updates still on your phone?
>> I thought Anna Dresner once gave steps to delete old iOS updates; but I'm
>> not finding that info right now.
>> I am also not finding where they would be sitting taking up space.
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>> it."
>> -- Jane Wagner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> website:  www.turner42.com
>>
>> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, janet gross
>> mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> Well, this really stinks!  Smile!  One of my main issues are I have to
>> let
>> other people hear some of the messages I get.  As far as getting rid of
>> some
>> of my apps, I don’t really have a whole lot, as most of the space is
>> taken
>> up from the large iOS updates.  Thank you anyway, as I greatly appreciate
>> it.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> Sent from
>> Mail
>> for Windows
>>
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>
>> For now, use earphones.
>> Maybe 15.2 will be better and maybe you will be able to update at some
>> point
>> by clearing out some space.
>> But, for now, you are stuck with using earphones.
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>> it."
>> -- Jane Wagner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> website:  www.turner42.com
>>
>> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
>>
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:44 PM, janet gross
>> mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> For quite some time now, when I listen to a phone message, I have to hold
>> the phone to my ear to hear the message, and if I pull my phone away from
>> my

Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Joshua Hendrickson]

When I used to check my voice mail via the voice mail option on my
iPhone, I couldn't hear the message if I took my ear away from my
iPhone either.  That's why I used to call myself and get my voice
mails that way since I could use the speaker phone option of my
iPhone.  Yes, the You Mail app, is available in the United States.
There is a paid version, but I've never felt I needed it.  The free
version works just fine for me.

On 11/15/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> I don’t’ find any old iOS updates on my phone or in iCloud.
> Once you install them, they are no longer sitting there.
>
> What makes you think the iOS updates is what is taking up your memory?
>
> You can check by opening Settings, General, iPhone Storage.
> All the apps will be listed there in descending order of size, largest apps
> first.
>
> If you have an iOS update waiting to be installed, it will be there as
> well.
>
> How much memory is shown as available?
>
>
> Richard
> “Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is
> exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different
> kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin
>
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet
> gross
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>
> Richard,
> Don’t all the updates we download store in the iCloud? If Anna gave
> instructions to delete the old updates, wouldn’t that mean they are storing
> some where? This is something to find out.
>
>
> Janet
>
> Sent from
> Mail
> for Windows
>
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
>
> When you say it is iOS updates that are taking so much room; what do you
> mean?
> Do you have old updates still on your phone?
> I thought Anna Dresner once gave steps to delete old iOS updates; but I'm
> not finding that info right now.
> I am also not finding where they would be sitting taking up space.
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>
>
> website:  www.turner42.com
>
> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
>
> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, janet gross
> mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> Well, this really stinks!  Smile!  One of my main issues are I have to let
> other people hear some of the messages I get.  As far as getting rid of some
> of my apps, I don’t really have a whole lot, as most of the space is taken
> up from the large iOS updates.  Thank you anyway, as I greatly appreciate
> it.
>
> Janet
>
> Sent from
> Mail
> for Windows
>
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
>
> For now, use earphones.
> Maybe 15.2 will be better and maybe you will be able to update at some point
> by clearing out some space.
> But, for now, you are stuck with using earphones.
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>
>
> website:  www.turner42.com
>
> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:44 PM, janet gross
> mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> For quite some time now, when I listen to a phone message, I have to hold
> the phone to my ear to hear the message, and if I pull my phone away from my
> ear while listening to a message, I can’t hear the message.  I want to use
> the speaker to listen to the message.  Can someone please tell me what I can
> do to use the speaker instead of holding the phone to my ear? I’m using my
> XR with 14.8.  Please don’t tell me I need to update my phone, as I already
> know this, but I don’t have enough of space on my phone for the iOS 15.
>
> Thank you all in advance.
>
> Janet
> Sent from
> 

RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And I remember there was a lady on this list years ago when Touch Id first came 
out who could not get it to work if her life depended on it. She was a 
transcriptionist I believe and always claimed that she typed so uch in her life 
that she had no more finger prints. Anyways, there definitely ar ea lot of 
people for whom Touch Id just doesn't work well at all because they work with 
their hands and their hands are rough, have scrapes and cuts or their work 
means they are dirty, oily or greasy and then there are of course those of us 
who live in a cold climate where you pretty much wear gloves for 5 to 6 months 
in the year and on and on. Would I like both, sure, why not, but if it were 
either Face Id or Touch Id than Face Id definitely is the better option.

Sorry Richard, Face Id and Touch Id have nothing to do with SIRI, but neither 
does phone size, this is just one of those threads which diverged from the 
original topic, not ideal but a normal thing which can happen with any 
conversation as well. You meet and start discussing work and next thing you are 
talking about your hobbies before getting back on track.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: November 15, 2021 10:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.
Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?
You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.
I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.
Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT
>
> Esther
>
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>
>   On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>   
>   
>
>   
>
>   Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh your 
> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an 
> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good 
> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally 
> really don't see too much benefit.
>
>   I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is one 
> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they 
> often have offered cheaper plans.
>
>   Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more 
> phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have 
> saved me an extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would 
> be my wife, my store manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.
>
>   Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for $27 a 
> months I could have an iPhone 13 128 Gb which after 2 years I could 
> simply give back to them and get a new iPhone which would be the 15 at 
> that point. It was almost tempting, but I decided to just keep my 
> iPhone 11 which works great, has more than enough battery life for me 
> and with every year I keep it I save money.
>
>   If I had kept my iPhone 8 last year which is when I upgraded to the
> 11 I would definitely have updated to an iPhone 13 this year.
>
>   
>
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Esther Levegnale
>   Sent: November 14, 2021 4:57 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Siri 

Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Joshua Hendrickson]

The longer I wait, the more space I'll be able to buy.  I'd be very
upset if I bought a one terabyte iPhone and the next year, a model
came out with 2 terabytes.  I don't live close to an apple store, so
the chances of me getting to try an iPhone with face ID isn't great.

On 11/15/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be waving
> it 藍
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. Even
> though I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate having
> touch ID as an option. There are times I just find it annoying to have to
> wave the phone in front of my face.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Alan Lemly
>
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than
> Touch ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch
> ID if your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.
>
>
>
> Alan Lemly
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
>
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate
> it's unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.
>
> Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an
> iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?
>
> You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more
> reliable than Touch Id.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
>
> Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and
> unlimited talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a
> 13 pro this year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to
> wait a couple more years to do so, I can do it.
>
> I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a
> lot of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.
>
> Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in
> available time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone
> 8.
>
>
>
> On 11/15/21, Carolyn
> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.
>
>>
>
>> -Original Message-
>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>
>> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM
>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
>> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT
>
>>
>
>> Esther
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel
>> mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 
>
>>
>
>> Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do
>> witgh your
>
>> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an
>
>> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good
>
>> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally
>
>> really don't see too much benefit.
>
>>
>
>> I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus
>> is one
>
>> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they
>
>> often have offered cheaper plans.
>
>>
>
>> Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the
>> more
>
>> phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have
>
>> saved me an extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would
>
>> be my wife, my store manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.
>
>>
>
>> Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for
>> $27 a
>
>> months I could have an 

RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be waving it 藍





-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!



I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. Even though 
I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate having touch ID as an 
option. There are times I just find it annoying to have to wave the phone in 
front of my face.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!



I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.



Alan Lemly



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!



Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.

Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?

You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson

Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!



I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.

I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.

Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.



On 11/15/21, Carolyn 
<4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.

>

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On

> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale

> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com

> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

>

>

>

> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT

>

> Esther

>

>

> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

>

>

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

>

>

>

> 

>

> Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh 
> your

> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an

> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good

> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally

> really don't see too much benefit.

>

> I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is 
> one

> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they

> often have offered cheaper plans.

>

> Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more

> phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have

> saved me an extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would

> be my wife, my store manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.

>

> Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for $27 a

> months I could have an iPhone 13 128 Gb which after 2 years I could

> simply give back to them and get a new iPhone which would be the 15 at

> that point. It was almost tempting, but I decided to just keep my

> iPhone 11 which works great, has more than enough battery life for me

> and with every year I keep it I save money.

>

> If I had kept my iPhone 8 last year which is when I upgraded to 
> the

> 11 I would definitely have updated to an iPhone 13 this year.

>

>

>

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> 

What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Richard Turner]

Richard
“Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is 
exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different 
kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin

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RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I'm sure it has gotten better than first Generation Face Id on the iPhone X 
just as second Generation Touch Id on the 6S was much better than on the 5S and 
6. I would say it works 95% or better for me and sometimes when it doesn't work 
it's maybe my fault for not paying attention and holding the phone so it can 
get a good look.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
Minor
Sent: November 15, 2021 10:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Hi.

Maybe Face ID has gotten better than the iPhone X that I have. It rarely works 
for me.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.
Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?
You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.
I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.
Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT
>
> Esther
>
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>
>   On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>   
>   
>
>   
>
>   Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh your 
> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an 
> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good 
> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally 
> really don't see too much benefit.
>
>   I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is one 
> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they 
> often have offered cheaper plans.
>
>   Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more 
> phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have 
> saved me an extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would 
> be my wife, my store manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.
>
>   Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for $27 a 
> months I could have an iPhone 13 128 Gb which after 2 years I could 
> simply give back to them and get a new iPhone which would be the 15 at 
> that point. It was almost tempting, but I decided to just keep my 
> iPhone 11 which works great, has more than enough battery life for me 
> and with every year I keep it I save money.
>
>   If I had kept my iPhone 8 last year which is when I upgraded to the
> 11 I would definitely have updated to an iPhone 13 this year.
>
>   
>
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Esther Levegnale
>   Sent: November 14, 2021 4:57 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   Hi, Everyone,
>
>   
>
>   Well, my Siri is acting up again.  I guess it's time to get a new 
> iPhone!
> I've been in the market to getting one anyway, and now I know I need 
> to do this.  Joshua, I would also like the same amount of space on 
> mine that you would have on yours because I download, not only a lot 
> of books, but a lot of music as well.  Are you getting the 13 Pro?
>
>   
>
>   Anyway, 

RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Size is not much different, I once again remain steadfast that the difference 
is screen size is not that important to a blind person.
I can see how somebody who constantly uses braille input may prefer a Max 
phone, but apart from that I don't see the point in having such a large phone 
personally.
As for your battery question you would notice a huge difference especially now 
that your XR battery is several years old and probably only has 85% give or 
take a bit of capacity.
But always ask yourself whether you still get through a normal day with your 
XR's battery and how well the phone works otherwise. I have an iPhone 11 which 
is a year younger than the XR and I just can't see any reason at all to upgrade 
to a 13 series phone especially considering that we probably see some much 
larger changes and improvements next year.
If you are somebody who can't afford a new phone every 2 years than I would 
recommend that you hold on to your xR for another year. Make sure you get a 
good deal on your plan, your phone is probably paid off by now so no reason if 
you are in the US to pay more than $30 or $35 a months, if you pay more switch 
and save some money for a year and then upgrade to an iPhone 14.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Casey 
Wollner
Sent: November 14, 2021 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: the iPhone 13 pro max

Hi I have the 10 r phone currently.
Now if I was to upgrade to the 13 pro max what would I be gaining and how big 
would the 13 pro max be compared to the 10 r that I have now?
Also would I have more batter life with the 13 pro max then with my 10 r if by 
how much?
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RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

Maybe Face ID has gotten better than the iPhone X that I have. It rarely works 
for me.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.
Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?
You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.
I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.
Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT
>
> Esther
>
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>
>   On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>   
>   
>
>   
>
>   Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh your 
> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an 
> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good 
> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally 
> really don't see too much benefit.
>
>   I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is one 
> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they 
> often have offered cheaper plans.
>
>   Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more 
> phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have 
> saved me an extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would 
> be my wife, my store manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.
>
>   Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for $27 a 
> months I could have an iPhone 13 128 Gb which after 2 years I could 
> simply give back to them and get a new iPhone which would be the 15 at 
> that point. It was almost tempting, but I decided to just keep my 
> iPhone 11 which works great, has more than enough battery life for me 
> and with every year I keep it I save money.
>
>   If I had kept my iPhone 8 last year which is when I upgraded to the
> 11 I would definitely have updated to an iPhone 13 this year.
>
>   
>
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Esther Levegnale
>   Sent: November 14, 2021 4:57 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   Hi, Everyone,
>
>   
>
>   Well, my Siri is acting up again.  I guess it's time to get a new 
> iPhone!
> I've been in the market to getting one anyway, and now I know I need 
> to do this.  Joshua, I would also like the same amount of space on 
> mine that you would have on yours because I download, not only a lot 
> of books, but a lot of music as well.  Are you getting the 13 Pro?
>
>   
>
>   Anyway, I hope all of you are doing well and having a great weekend.
>
>   
>
>   Take care.
>
>   
>
>   Esther
>
>   Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
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RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Christopher Chaltain]

I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. Even though 
I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate having touch ID as an 
option. There are times I just find it annoying to have to wave the phone in 
front of my face.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.
Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?
You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.
I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.
Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT
>
> Esther
>
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>
>   On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>   
>   
>
>   
>
>   Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh your 
> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an 
> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good 
> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally 
> really don't see too much benefit.
>
>   I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is one 
> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they 
> often have offered cheaper plans.
>
>   Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more 
> phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have 
> saved me an extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would 
> be my wife, my store manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.
>
>   Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for $27 a 
> months I could have an iPhone 13 128 Gb which after 2 years I could 
> simply give back to them and get a new iPhone which would be the 15 at 
> that point. It was almost tempting, but I decided to just keep my 
> iPhone 11 which works great, has more than enough battery life for me 
> and with every year I keep it I save money.
>
>   If I had kept my iPhone 8 last year which is when I upgraded to the
> 11 I would definitely have updated to an iPhone 13 this year.
>
>   
>
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Esther Levegnale
>   Sent: November 14, 2021 4:57 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   Hi, Everyone,
>
>   
>
>   Well, my Siri is acting up again.  I guess it's time to get a new 
> iPhone!
> I've been in the market to getting one anyway, and now I know I need 
> to do this.  Joshua, I would also like the same amount of space on 
> mine that you would have on yours because I download, not only a lot 
> of books, but a lot of music as well.  Are you getting the 13 Pro?
>
>   
>
>   Anyway, I hope all of you are doing well and having a great weekend.
>
>   
>
>   Take care.
>
>   
>
>   Esther
>
>   Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
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RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I actually didn't even through the regular iPhone 8 into the comparison, here 
are its dimensions and weight:

138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm
5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29 inches
148 grams or 5.22 ounces
Display size 4.7 inches (65% screen-to-body ratio)

So, compared to a regular iPhone 13 or 13 Pro the 8 is just over 8mm or a third 
of an inch shorter, 4mm (just over an eigth inch) narrower and pretty much the 
same thickness.
The weight is 26 grams lighter which is almost an ounce lighter than a 13/13 
Pro.

Once again, height is less important than width as to how you perceive size 
when you hold it so the just over an eighth and less than a quarter inch wider 
width of the iPhone 13 would be not very noticeable and even if you do notice 
it at first, you would be used to it after a few days.
What is a big difference is screen size as you go from 4.7 inches on the iPhone 
8 to 6.1 inches on the iPhone 13/13 Pro so just under 1.5 inches more screen 
size on a phone which is barely larger.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of mich 
verrier
Sent: November 15, 2021 10:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

I am glad you posted this to me as some one who has a Iphone 8 and am thinking 
of upgrading how ever I am not shure when as I have said before I like the sise 
of the phone not in gigs all thoughthat is important but how the hone fits in 
my hand is also important to me. I like to be able to hold the phone in one 
hand I don’t like the larger phones that you have to hold with 2 hands. Just my 
thoughts. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: November 15, 2021 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

Simon, those are the screen size measured diagonally, a difference of 0.2 
inches which is less than a quarter of an inch and I personally don't see how 
that would affect a blind person.

Just to add to my previousemail with the exact comparison between Esther's 7 
Plus and the 13/13 Pro and 13 Pro Max, here are the actual physical dimensions 
of the iPhone 11 Pro Max which I believe you had:

158 x 77.8 x 8.1 mm
6.22 x 3.06 x 0.32 inches

That is basically exactly the same as an old Plus phone like the 7 Plus or 8 
Plus, width is the same exactly, height is 6.22 inches for the 11 Pro Max and 
6.23 inches for the 7 Plus so a difference of 0.01 inches, once again so small 
you can notice if you put one phone on top of the other, but holding them it's 
more the width you would notice and that is the same.
Comparing a 11 Pro Max to a 13 Pro Max the width once again is the same and the 
height is now 0.1 inches less on the 11 Pro Max (6.23 vs 6.33) in millimeter 
that is 2.8mm and 3mm is an eight of an inch so once again extremely small.
The weight of the 11 Pro Max is 12 grams less, a fair bit less than half an 
ounce.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: November 14, 2021 11:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

And the 13 pro max and 11 pro max are slightly different agin
The 11 pro max is 6.5 inchs,
The 13 and 12 pro max’s are 6.7 inchs
 And it’s actually quite a bit difference in size

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
jennie.fa...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 3:49 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

Hi,

The XR I believe is 6.1 and the maxes are 6.7. The only difference between the 
12 pro max and the 13 pro max is that the buttons are placed differently. Other 
than that, they are both the same size, by quite a bit bigger than an XR.

Hope this helps,
Jenn

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Casey 
Wollner
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: the iPhone 13 pro max

Hi I have the 10 r phone currently.
Now if I was to upgrade to the 13 pro max what would I be gaining and how big 
would the 13 pro max be compared to the 10 r that I have now?
Also would I have more batter life with the 13 pro max then with my 10 r if by 
how much?
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RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

[Carolyn]

I have an 11, but want to get a 13 Mini in a few months. I don't want or need a 
large phone. Good that they make a variety of sizes. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
mich verrier
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

I am glad you posted this to me as some one who has a Iphone 8 and am thinking 
of upgrading how ever I am not shure when as I have said before I like the sise 
of the phone not in gigs all thoughthat is important but how the hone fits in 
my hand is also important to me. I like to be able to hold the phone in one 
hand I don’t like the larger phones that you have to hold with 2 hands. Just my 
thoughts. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: November 15, 2021 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

 

Simon, those are the screen size measured diagonally, a difference of 0.2 
inches which is less than a quarter of an inch and I personally don't see how 
that would affect a blind person.

 

Just to add to my previousemail with the exact comparison between Esther's 7 
Plus and the 13/13 Pro and 13 Pro Max, here are the actual physical dimensions 
of the iPhone 11 Pro Max which I believe you had:

 

158 x 77.8 x 8.1 mm 

6.22 x 3.06 x 0.32 inches

 

That is basically exactly the same as an old Plus phone like the 7 Plus or 8 
Plus, width is the same exactly, height is 6.22 inches for the 11 Pro Max and 
6.23 inches for the 7 Plus so a difference of 0.01 inches, once again so small 
you can notice if you put one phone on top of the other, but holding them it's 
more the width you would notice and that is the same.

Comparing a 11 Pro Max to a 13 Pro Max the width once again is the same and the 
height is now 0.1 inches less on the 11 Pro Max (6.23 vs 6.33) in millimeter 
that is 2.8mm and 3mm is an eight of an inch so once again extremely small.

The weight of the 11 Pro Max is 12 grams less, a fair bit less than half an 
ounce.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: November 14, 2021 11:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

 

And the 13 pro max and 11 pro max are slightly different agin 

The 11 pro max is 6.5 inchs,

The 13 and 12 pro max’s are 6.7 inchs 

 And it’s actually quite a bit difference in size 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
jennie.fa...@gmail.com  
Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 3:49 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

 

Hi,

 

The XR I believe is 6.1 and the maxes are 6.7. The only difference between the 
12 pro max and the 13 pro max is that the buttons are placed differently. Other 
than that, they are both the same size, by quite a bit bigger than an XR.

 

Hope this helps,

Jenn

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Casey Wollner
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: the iPhone 13 pro max

 

Hi I have the 10 r phone currently.

Now if I was to upgrade to the 13 pro max what would I be gaining and how big 
would the 13 pro max be compared to the 10 r that I have now?

Also would I have more batter life with the 13 pro max then with my 10 r if by 
how much?

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RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Alan Lemly]

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.
Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?
You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.
I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.
Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT
>
> Esther
>
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>
>   On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>   
>   
>
>   
>
>   Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh your 
> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an 
> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good 
> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally 
> really don't see too much benefit.
>
>   I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is one 
> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they 
> often have offered cheaper plans.
>
>   Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more 
> phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have 
> saved me an extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would 
> be my wife, my store manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.
>
>   Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for $27 a 
> months I could have an iPhone 13 128 Gb which after 2 years I could 
> simply give back to them and get a new iPhone which would be the 15 at 
> that point. It was almost tempting, but I decided to just keep my 
> iPhone 11 which works great, has more than enough battery life for me 
> and with every year I keep it I save money.
>
>   If I had kept my iPhone 8 last year which is when I upgraded to the
> 11 I would definitely have updated to an iPhone 13 this year.
>
>   
>
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Esther Levegnale
>   Sent: November 14, 2021 4:57 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   Hi, Everyone,
>
>   
>
>   Well, my Siri is acting up again.  I guess it's time to get a new 
> iPhone!
> I've been in the market to getting one anyway, and now I know I need 
> to do this.  Joshua, I would also like the same amount of space on 
> mine that you would have on yours because I download, not only a lot 
> of books, but a lot of music as well.  Are you getting the 13 Pro?
>
>   
>
>   Anyway, I hope all of you are doing well and having a great weekend.
>
>   
>
>   Take care.
>
>   
>
>   Esther
>
>   Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
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>   
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> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>   
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>   

RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.
Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?
You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.
I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.
Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT
>
> Esther
>
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>
>   On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>   
>   
>
>   
>
>   Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh your 
> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an 
> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good 
> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally 
> really don't see too much benefit.
>
>   I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is one 
> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they 
> often have offered cheaper plans.
>
>   Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more 
> phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have 
> saved me an extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would 
> be my wife, my store manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.
>
>   Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for $27 a 
> months I could have an iPhone 13 128 Gb which after 2 years I could 
> simply give back to them and get a new iPhone which would be the 15 at 
> that point. It was almost tempting, but I decided to just keep my 
> iPhone 11 which works great, has more than enough battery life for me 
> and with every year I keep it I save money.
>
>   If I had kept my iPhone 8 last year which is when I upgraded to the 
> 11 I would definitely have updated to an iPhone 13 this year.
>
>   
>
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Esther Levegnale
>   Sent: November 14, 2021 4:57 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   Hi, Everyone,
>
>   
>
>   Well, my Siri is acting up again.  I guess it's time to get a new 
> iPhone!
> I've been in the market to getting one anyway, and now I know I need 
> to do this.  Joshua, I would also like the same amount of space on 
> mine that you would have on yours because I download, not only a lot 
> of books, but a lot of music as well.  Are you getting the 13 Pro?
>
>   
>
>   Anyway, I hope all of you are doing well and having a great weekend.
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RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

[mich verrier]

I am glad you posted this to me as some one who has a Iphone 8 and am thinking 
of upgrading how ever I am not shure when as I have said before I like the sise 
of the phone not in gigs all thoughthat is important but how the hone fits in 
my hand is also important to me. I like to be able to hold the phone in one 
hand I don’t like the larger phones that you have to hold with 2 hands. Just my 
thoughts. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: November 15, 2021 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

 

Simon, those are the screen size measured diagonally, a difference of 0.2 
inches which is less than a quarter of an inch and I personally don't see how 
that would affect a blind person.

 

Just to add to my previousemail with the exact comparison between Esther's 7 
Plus and the 13/13 Pro and 13 Pro Max, here are the actual physical dimensions 
of the iPhone 11 Pro Max which I believe you had:

 

158 x 77.8 x 8.1 mm 

6.22 x 3.06 x 0.32 inches

 

That is basically exactly the same as an old Plus phone like the 7 Plus or 8 
Plus, width is the same exactly, height is 6.22 inches for the 11 Pro Max and 
6.23 inches for the 7 Plus so a difference of 0.01 inches, once again so small 
you can notice if you put one phone on top of the other, but holding them it's 
more the width you would notice and that is the same.

Comparing a 11 Pro Max to a 13 Pro Max the width once again is the same and the 
height is now 0.1 inches less on the 11 Pro Max (6.23 vs 6.33) in millimeter 
that is 2.8mm and 3mm is an eight of an inch so once again extremely small.

The weight of the 11 Pro Max is 12 grams less, a fair bit less than half an 
ounce.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: November 14, 2021 11:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

 

And the 13 pro max and 11 pro max are slightly different agin 

The 11 pro max is 6.5 inchs,

The 13 and 12 pro max’s are 6.7 inchs 

 And it’s actually quite a bit difference in size 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
jennie.fa...@gmail.com  
Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 3:49 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

 

Hi,

 

The XR I believe is 6.1 and the maxes are 6.7. The only difference between the 
12 pro max and the 13 pro max is that the buttons are placed differently. Other 
than that, they are both the same size, by quite a bit bigger than an XR.

 

Hope this helps,

Jenn

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Casey Wollner
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: the iPhone 13 pro max

 

Hi I have the 10 r phone currently.

Now if I was to upgrade to the 13 pro max what would I be gaining and how big 
would the 13 pro max be compared to the 10 r that I have now?

Also would I have more batter life with the 13 pro max then with my 10 r if by 
how much?

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RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Simon, those are the screen size measured diagonally, a difference of 0.2 
inches which is less than a quarter of an inch and I personally don't see how 
that would affect a blind person.

Just to add to my previousemail with the exact comparison between Esther's 7 
Plus and the 13/13 Pro and 13 Pro Max, here are the actual physical dimensions 
of the iPhone 11 Pro Max which I believe you had:

158 x 77.8 x 8.1 mm
6.22 x 3.06 x 0.32 inches

That is basically exactly the same as an old Plus phone like the 7 Plus or 8 
Plus, width is the same exactly, height is 6.22 inches for the 11 Pro Max and 
6.23 inches for the 7 Plus so a difference of 0.01 inches, once again so small 
you can notice if you put one phone on top of the other, but holding them it's 
more the width you would notice and that is the same.
Comparing a 11 Pro Max to a 13 Pro Max the width once again is the same and the 
height is now 0.1 inches less on the 11 Pro Max (6.23 vs 6.33) in millimeter 
that is 2.8mm and 3mm is an eight of an inch so once again extremely small.
The weight of the 11 Pro Max is 12 grams less, a fair bit less than half an 
ounce.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: November 14, 2021 11:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

And the 13 pro max and 11 pro max are slightly different agin
The 11 pro max is 6.5 inchs,
The 13 and 12 pro max’s are 6.7 inchs
 And it’s actually quite a bit difference in size

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
jennie.fa...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 3:49 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the iPhone 13 pro max

Hi,

The XR I believe is 6.1 and the maxes are 6.7. The only difference between the 
12 pro max and the 13 pro max is that the buttons are placed differently. Other 
than that, they are both the same size, by quite a bit bigger than an XR.

Hope this helps,
Jenn

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Casey 
Wollner
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: the iPhone 13 pro max

Hi I have the 10 r phone currently.
Now if I was to upgrade to the 13 pro max what would I be gaining and how big 
would the 13 pro max be compared to the 10 r that I have now?
Also would I have more batter life with the 13 pro max then with my 10 r if by 
how much?
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RE: Siri not letting you send messages?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I agree with Simon, you really want to check out the 13 series phones. I 
personally think the Lidar feature could be useful, but I haven't really heard 
a lot about it on this list and how blindness related apps are all over it and 
taking advantage of it.
Therefore you really might want to consider also just the regular iPhone 13 
which will be a lot gentler on your bank account especially if you compare it 
to the 13 Pro Max.
Keep in mind that your iPhone 7 Plus is noticeably larger physically and even a 
bit heavier than the iPhone 13 and 13 Pro (those two phones are identical in 
physical size, screen size and weight) but your 7 Plus has only a 5.5 inch 
screen whereas the 13 and 13 Pro have a 6.1 inch screen.

If you compare iPhone 7 Plus and 13/13 Pro, your 7 Plus is almost half an inch 
longer and about a quarter inch wider even though screen size is 0.51 inches 
smaller.
The iPhone 13/13 Pro is about half an ounce lighter than your 7 Plus.
Compared to your iPhone 7 Plus the iPhone 13 Pro Max is less than an eigth of 
an inch longer and the width is only 0.2 mm more which is not noticeable.
Actually when you look at the width given in imperial measurement (inches) it's 
actually the same because 0.2 mm in inches is 0.0078 inches and Apple only 
gives 2 decimal points when providing the inches measurement.
Another way to look at it is that 0.2 mm is less than the thickness of a normal 
finger nail.
However, the 13 Pro Max has a 6.7 inch screen which is measured diagonally from 
one corner to the other which is well over an inch more than your iPhone 7 Plus.
Another very noticeable difference if you held your iPhone 7 Plus in one hand 
and a 13 Pro Max in the other is its weight as the 13 Pro Max is almost 2 
ounces heavier.

In summary, iPhone 13/13 Pro are smaller and a bit lighter than your phone but 
have a larger screen, iPhone 13 Pro Max is basically the same size as yours, 
but noticeable heaver.

At one point I looked up the actual specs for the older Plus phones like your 7 
Plus or the 8 Plus which is the same and the new 13 series iPhones and I made a 
little table to compare them which I pasted below and on which I based the 
above explanations.
You can check the actual numbers using the table reading command in Jaws or 
whatever equivalent NVDA probably has to read across the columns and compare 
each phone:

Specs
iPhone 7 Plus
iPhone 13
Iphone 13 Pro
iPhone 13 Pro Max
Height (in Millimeters)
158.2
146.7
146.7
160.8
Width (in Millimeters)
77.9
71.5
71.5
78.1
Thickness (in Millimeters)
7.3
7.7
7.65
7.65
Weight (in Grams)
188
174
203
238
Height (in inches)
6.23
5.78
5.78
6.33
Width (in inches)
3.07
2.81
2.82
3.07
Thickness (in inches)
0.29
0.3
0.3
0.3
Weight (in Ounces)
6.63
6.14
7.16
8.39
Screen Size (in inches)
5.5 (67.7% screen-to-body ratio)
6.1 (86.0% screen-to-body ratio)
6.1 (86.0% screen-to-body ratio)
6.7 (87.4% screen-to-body ratio)
IP (waterproof/dustproof) rating
IP67 up to 1 meter for 30 minutes
IP68 up to 6 meters for 30 minute
IP68 up to 6 meters for 30 minute
IP68 up to 6 meters for 30 minute

Take care,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: November 14, 2021 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri not letting you send messages?

Well, I guess I'd be better off with the 13 Pro Max.  Right?

Thanks.

Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


On Nov 14, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A regular 13 Pro will be significantly smaller than your 7 Plus.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: November 14, 2021 6:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri not letting you send messages?

Mine is doing that again as well.  At first, it straightened out, but now I 
can't even dictate a message without it turning itself off.  I have a 7+ but I 
soon will be getting a new phone--probably the 13 Pro.  I heard that the Pro 
Max is huge, perhaps the size of an iPad?  Is that right?  Take care everyone.

Esther
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On Nov 13, 2021, at 1:53 AM, Adam Morris  wrote:
 Hi all,
A friend of mine has the issue where she will ask Siri to send a message, she 
starts to say her message and only gets two words out before Siri thinks she 
has finished.
She knows not to pause at the beginning of the message.
Wondering what the best cause of action would be to fix this?
TIA.
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Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and
unlimited talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not
getting a 13 pro this year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch
ID.  If I have to wait a couple more years to do so, I can do it.
I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still
has a lot of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.
Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in
available time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my
iPhone 8.

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT
>
> Esther
>
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>
>   On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>   
>   
>
>   
>
>   Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh your
> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an iPhone 8
> or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good thing, but if
> you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally really don't see
> too much benefit.
>
>   I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is one of
> the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they often
> have offered cheaper plans.
>
>   Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more phones
> you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have saved me an
> extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would be my wife, my
> store manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.
>
>   Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for $27 a 
> months I
> could have an iPhone 13 128 Gb which after 2 years I could simply give back
> to them and get a new iPhone which would be the 15 at that point. It was
> almost tempting, but I decided to just keep my iPhone 11 which works great,
> has more than enough battery life for me and with every year I keep it I
> save money.
>
>   If I had kept my iPhone 8 last year which is when I upgraded to the 11 I
> would definitely have updated to an iPhone 13 this year.
>
>   
>
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Esther Levegnale
>   Sent: November 14, 2021 4:57 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   Hi, Everyone,
>
>   
>
>   Well, my Siri is acting up again.  I guess it's time to get a new 
> iPhone!
> I've been in the market to getting one anyway, and now I know I need to do
> this.  Joshua, I would also like the same amount of space on mine that you
> would have on yours because I download, not only a lot of books, but a lot
> of music as well.  Are you getting the 13 Pro?
>
>   
>
>   Anyway, I hope all of you are doing well and having a great weekend.
>
>   
>
>   Take care.
>
>   
>
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RE: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Richard Turner]

I don’t’ find any old iOS updates on my phone or in iCloud.
Once you install them, they are no longer sitting there.

What makes you think the iOS updates is what is taking up your memory?

You can check by opening Settings, General, iPhone Storage.
All the apps will be listed there in descending order of size, largest apps 
first.

If you have an iOS update waiting to be installed, it will be there as well.

How much memory is shown as available?


Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.

Richard,
Don’t all the updates we download store in the iCloud? If Anna gave 
instructions to delete the old updates, wouldn’t that mean they are storing 
some where? This is something to find out.


Janet

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From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

When you say it is iOS updates that are taking so much room; what do you mean?
Do you have old updates still on your phone?
I thought Anna Dresner once gave steps to delete old iOS updates; but I'm not 
finding that info right now.
I am also not finding where they would be sitting taking up space.


Richard
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On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hi Richard,
Well, this really stinks!  Smile!  One of my main issues are I have to let 
other people hear some of the messages I get.  As far as getting rid of some of 
my apps, I don’t really have a whole lot, as most of the space is taken up from 
the large iOS updates.  Thank you anyway, as I greatly appreciate it.

Janet

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From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

For now, use earphones.
Maybe 15.2 will be better and maybe you will be able to update at some point by 
clearing out some space.
But, for now, you are stuck with using earphones.


Richard
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On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:44 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hi Everyone,
For quite some time now, when I listen to a phone message, I have to hold the 
phone to my ear to hear the message, and if I pull my phone away from my ear 
while listening to a message, I can’t hear the message.  I want to use the 
speaker to listen to the message.  Can someone please tell me what I can do to 
use the speaker instead of holding the phone to my ear? I’m using my XR with 
14.8.  Please don’t tell me I need to update my phone, as I already know this, 
but I don’t have enough of space on my phone for the iOS 15.

Thank you all in advance.

Janet
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Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Donna Casteen]

When calling yourself to retrieve your voicemail; The password is a 4 digit or 
longer series of numbers. This code would have been setup when you setup your 
voicemail to be checked from your phone.

Donna

> 
> Joseph, would the password be my AT password to get Voicemail? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> janet gross
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
> 
> Hi Joseph, 
> 
> Ok now, I’ve never heard of this one until now.  So if I call myself, chances 
> I’m not going to know the password as I’ve never used this feature, or are 
> you talking about my password to my Apple ID? 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you.  
> 
> Janet 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail   for Windows
> 
> 
> 
> From: Joseph Hudson  
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
> 
> 
> 
> No, it's not time to call Apple. I will tell you this much, you might want to 
> try dialing your voicemail directly meaning dialing your phone number. And 
> then going in that way. If you don't remember the password to get into it, 
> you can go to settings/phone to reset your password.
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:33 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Sieghard, 
>> I did turn off the phone, and back on, as well as the audio setting, but 
>> still no difference. I cleaned my phone yesterday.  I wonder is this time 
>> for to call Apple.  LOL! 
>> 
>> Janet 
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:26 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Maybe turn it off, then turn your phone off. While it is off use the 
>> opportunity to give your screen a good cleaning by which I mean wipe it down 
>> with a damp but not wet to the point where it is dripping cloth and then 
>> with a soft dry cloth afterwards.
>> Then turn your phone back on and go back into Voiceover Settings > Audio and 
>> turn the Auto Select Speaker option back on and see if that does anything.
>> If that still doesn't help and you don't want to upgrade you can try a Reset 
>> Network Settings, it can fix all sorts of issues sometimes.
>> Keep in mind that  you will have to know your WiFi password and reconnect to 
>> your WiFi after you reboot.
>> Reset Network Settings is in Settings > General > Reset
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
>> gross
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 6:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> I just followed your steps, but it didn’t help.  Although, the setting was 
>> already turned on.  Any other suggestions?  Thank you. 
>> 
>> Janet 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Go to Settings > Accessibility > Voiceover > Audio
>> Then swipe until you hear "Auto Select Speaker in Call" and make sure this 
>> is On, if it says "Off" then it would be normal that the audio doesn't 
>> switch automatically when you take the phone away from your ear.
>> If it is off just double tap and it will change to On, then close settings 
>> and you should be fine.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
>> gross
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 5:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> Can you tell me how to do this? Then maybe I might be able to rectify my 
>> issue. 
>> 
>> Thank you. 
>> 
>> Janet 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Have you checked to make sure the Setting responsible for auto switching 
>> didn't somehow get turned off?
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of janet 
>> gross
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 5:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> 
>> Hi Everyone, 
>> For quite some time now, when I listen to a phone message, I have to hold 
>> the phone to my ear to hear the message, and if I pull my phone away from my 
>> ear while listening to a message, I can’t hear the message.  I want to use 
>> the speaker to listen to the message.  Can someone please tell me what I can 
>> do to use the speaker instead of holding the phone to my ear? I’m using my 
>> XR with 14.8.  Please don’t tell me I need to update my phone, as I already 
>> know this, but I don’t have enough of space on my phone for the iOS 15.  
>> 
>> Thank you all in advance. 
>> 
>> Janet 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
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RE: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Carolyn]

Joseph, would the password be my AT password to get Voicemail? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.

Hi Joseph, 

Ok now, I’ve never heard of this one until now.  So if I call myself, chances 
I’m not going to know the password as I’ve never used this feature, or are you 
talking about my password to my Apple ID? 

 

Thank you.  

Janet 

 

Sent from Mail   for Windows

 

From: Joseph Hudson  
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

 

No, it's not time to call Apple. I will tell you this much, you might want to 
try dialing your voicemail directly meaning dialing your phone number. And then 
going in that way. If you don't remember the password to get into it, you can 
go to settings/phone to reset your password.

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:33 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Sieghard, 
> I did turn off the phone, and back on, as well as the audio setting, but 
> still no difference. I cleaned my phone yesterday.  I wonder is this time for 
> to call Apple.  LOL! 
>  
> Janet 
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>  
> Maybe turn it off, then turn your phone off. While it is off use the 
> opportunity to give your screen a good cleaning by which I mean wipe it down 
> with a damp but not wet to the point where it is dripping cloth and then with 
> a soft dry cloth afterwards.
> Then turn your phone back on and go back into Voiceover Settings > Audio and 
> turn the Auto Select Speaker option back on and see if that does anything.
> If that still doesn't help and you don't want to upgrade you can try a Reset 
> Network Settings, it can fix all sorts of issues sometimes.
> Keep in mind that  you will have to know your WiFi password and reconnect to 
> your WiFi after you reboot.
> Reset Network Settings is in Settings > General > Reset
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
> gross
> Sent: November 14, 2021 6:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>  
> Hi, 
> I just followed your steps, but it didn’t help.  Although, the setting was 
> already turned on.  Any other suggestions?  Thank you. 
>  
> Janet 
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>  
> Go to Settings > Accessibility > Voiceover > Audio
> Then swipe until you hear "Auto Select Speaker in Call" and make sure this is 
> On, if it says "Off" then it would be normal that the audio doesn't switch 
> automatically when you take the phone away from your ear.
> If it is off just double tap and it will change to On, then close settings 
> and you should be fine.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
> gross
> Sent: November 14, 2021 5:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>  
> Hi, 
> Can you tell me how to do this? Then maybe I might be able to rectify my 
> issue. 
>  
> Thank you. 
>  
> Janet 
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>  
> Have you checked to make sure the Setting responsible for auto switching 
> didn't somehow get turned off?
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of janet 
> gross
> Sent: November 14, 2021 5:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Phone Messages Help Please.
>  
> Hi Everyone, 
> For quite some time now, when I listen to a phone message, I have to hold the 
> phone to my ear to hear the message, and if I pull my phone away from my ear 
> while listening to a message, I can’t hear the message.  I want to use the 
> speaker to listen to the message.  Can someone please tell me what I can do 
> to use the speaker instead of holding the phone to my ear? I’m using my XR 
> with 14.8.  Please don’t tell me I need to update my phone, as I already know 
> this, but I don’t have enough of space on my phone for the iOS 15.  
>  
> Thank you all in advance. 
>  
> Janet 
> Sent from Mail for Windows
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RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Carolyn]

My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!



Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT

Esther


Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:



 

Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh your 
iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an iPhone 8 or 
older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good thing, but if you 
have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally really don't see too much 
benefit.

I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is one 
of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they often 
have offered cheaper plans.

Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more 
phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have saved me an 
extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which would be my wife, my store 
manager and myself we get a pretty good deal.

Anyways, with them I could switch to a 2-year lease and for $27 a 
months I could have an iPhone 13 128 Gb which after 2 years I could simply give 
back to them and get a new iPhone which would be the 15 at that point. It was 
almost tempting, but I decided to just keep my iPhone 11 which works great, has 
more than enough battery life for me and with every year I keep it I save money.

If I had kept my iPhone 8 last year which is when I upgraded to the 11 
I would definitely have updated to an iPhone 13 this year.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: November 14, 2021 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

 

 

Hi, Everyone,

 

Well, my Siri is acting up again.  I guess it's time to get a new 
iPhone!  I've been in the market to getting one anyway, and now I know I need 
to do this.  Joshua, I would also like the same amount of space on mine that 
you would have on yours because I download, not only a lot of books, but a lot 
of music as well.  Are you getting the 13 Pro?

 

Anyway, I hope all of you are doing well and having a great weekend.

 

Take care.

 

Esther

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RE: new iPhone

[Carolyn]

I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the first of 
the year or maybe next spring. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new iPhone

I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn’t really take off 

I’m not sure about he 13 mini,

 

But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay 

And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost device.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new iPhone

 

I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be an iPhone 
SE or Mini any more after next year.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: new iPhone

 

Thanks,

Interesting article,

 

I question though the comment that under screen touch id would appear in a 
future SE before the iPhone flag ship,

 

I would have thought that any new feature like this would go in to the flag 
ship phones / devices before a lsecond rate device like the SE

 

And that isn’t a down play on the SE,

 

But they are not made to be the top of the line devices,

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Petty
Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 9:38 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: new iPhone

 

Sieghard, thank you for sharing the full article. For those of us who would 
hope for an under-display Touch ID, it seems some don’t think this will happen. 
Below is a quote from the article:

 

According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple is working on iPhones that will 
feature under-display Touch ID, but these devices are not expected to launch 
until 2023. Other sources like Bloomberg have disagreed that Apple is focused 
on under-display Touch ID, and it's not clear if the feature would be included 
in Apple's flagship iPhones or devices like a future iPhone SE.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 1:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: new iPhone

 

Dennis already answered your question, but depending on what you have now I 
would seriously consider to wait for the iPhone 14. I just read an article 
where it said that the 14 Pro models may very well still get under the screen 
Touch Id in addition to Face Id and depending on how bad this current chip 
shortage issue is next year, Apple may drastically increase the performance of 
the A16 chip (as well as the new chips they use in their Mac computers of 
course).

In the below Mac Rumors article all of these rumors are nicely summarized and 
explained, but this article does not mention another one I saw recently where 
they expect that the iPhone 14 will use a chip based on 3 Nanometer 
architecture which could have up to 40 cores, I assume that if this won't be in 
the iPhone 14 it will be in the iPhone 15 in 2023.

Another rumored featured I look forward to is the ability to send emergency 
messages by satellite if no cellular connectivity is available. There are 
currently devices which can do this like the Garmin Inreach family of GPS's, 
the "Zoleo" satellite communicator and the Spot X Satellite Communicator. 
Inreach and Zoleo use the Iridium Satellite network, Spot uses Globalstar. The 
rumor is that the iPhone 14 will use a chip from Qualcomm which has satellite 
capabilities and this would be a pretty big deal for many who live in remote 
areas or who venture out for outdoor activities up here in Canada where often 
you have no cellular coverage. Actually, there are often emergency situations 
where people from Vancouver who are not at all equipped and capable go on hikes 
in the Northshore mountains just outside Vancouver because they see some nice 
picture on Instagram and want to experience the place and then they end up in 
some situation where Search and Rescue has to come get them and even there just 
a few miles outside Vancouver you often have valleys and areas in the mountains 
where cell coverage just doesn't exist.

Anyways, here is a link to the article:

 

iPhone 14: Everything We Know | MacRumors 
 

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Mickey Quenzer
Sent: November 14, 2021 10:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Carolyn]

We'll be eager to hear what you get, Esther. I am sure it will be another 
awesome iPhone! 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!



Hi, Everyone,

Well, my Siri is acting up again.  I guess it's time to get a new iPhone!  I've 
been in the market to getting one anyway, and now I know I need to do this.  
Joshua, I would also like the same amount of space on mine that you would have 
on yours because I download, not only a lot of books, but a lot of music as 
well.  Are you getting the 13 Pro?

Anyway, I hope all of you are doing well and having a great weekend.

Take care.

Esther


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RE: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Joseph, I was under the impression Janet's problem was that her phone doesn't 
switch to speakerphone when she is on a phone call, what does Voicemail have to 
do with that? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joseph 
Hudson
Sent: November 14, 2021 6:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

No, it's not time to call Apple. I will tell you this much, you might want to 
try dialing your voicemail directly meaning dialing your phone number. And then 
going in that way. If you don't remember the password to get into it, you can 
go to settings/phone to reset your password.

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:33 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Sieghard,
> I did turn off the phone, and back on, as well as the audio setting, but 
> still no difference. I cleaned my phone yesterday.  I wonder is this time for 
> to call Apple.  LOL! 
>  
> Janet
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>  
> Maybe turn it off, then turn your phone off. While it is off use the 
> opportunity to give your screen a good cleaning by which I mean wipe it down 
> with a damp but not wet to the point where it is dripping cloth and then with 
> a soft dry cloth afterwards.
> Then turn your phone back on and go back into Voiceover Settings > Audio and 
> turn the Auto Select Speaker option back on and see if that does anything.
> If that still doesn't help and you don't want to upgrade you can try a Reset 
> Network Settings, it can fix all sorts of issues sometimes.
> Keep in mind that  you will have to know your WiFi password and reconnect to 
> your WiFi after you reboot.
> Reset Network Settings is in Settings > General > Reset
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> janet gross
> Sent: November 14, 2021 6:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>  
> Hi,
> I just followed your steps, but it didn’t help.  Although, the setting was 
> already turned on.  Any other suggestions?  Thank you. 
>  
> Janet
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>  
> Go to Settings > Accessibility > Voiceover > Audio Then swipe until 
> you hear "Auto Select Speaker in Call" and make sure this is On, if it says 
> "Off" then it would be normal that the audio doesn't switch automatically 
> when you take the phone away from your ear.
> If it is off just double tap and it will change to On, then close settings 
> and you should be fine.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> janet gross
> Sent: November 14, 2021 5:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>  
> Hi,
> Can you tell me how to do this? Then maybe I might be able to rectify my 
> issue. 
>  
> Thank you. 
>  
> Janet
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>  
> Have you checked to make sure the Setting responsible for auto switching 
> didn't somehow get turned off?
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
> janet gross
> Sent: November 14, 2021 5:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Phone Messages Help Please.
>  
> Hi Everyone,
> For quite some time now, when I listen to a phone message, I have to hold the 
> phone to my ear to hear the message, and if I pull my phone away from my ear 
> while listening to a message, I can’t hear the message.  I want to use the 
> speaker to listen to the message.  Can someone please tell me what I can do 
> to use the speaker instead of holding the phone to my ear? I’m using my XR 
> with 14.8.  Please don’t tell me I need to update my phone, as I already know 
> this, but I don’t have enough of space on my phone for the iOS 15.  
>  
> Thank you all in advance. 
>  
> Janet
> Sent from Mail for Windows
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RE: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Joshua, remember when recommending apps like YouMail or other apps/services to 
mention that you live in the United States. I am pretty sure in Janet's case 
that is not an issue, but there are many people from Canada, The UK, 
NZ/Australia and other countries on this list and often such services from the 
United States don't work in other countries and vice versa.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: November 14, 2021 11:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

I used to call myself all the time to check any voice mail messages.
I did know  and believe I still do know my password.  That was weird.
My password and everything worked from my old flip phone days.
However, I highly recommend when it comes to voice mails, to get an app called 
you mail.  I believe that is the correct spelling.  That app works very well 
when it comes to voice mails.  Also, Janet, how small a storage size is your 
iPhone?  I've never heard of an apple update being that big.  Again, I highly 
recommend getting the you mail app.  It really makes voice mails so much easier.

On 11/14/21, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> No I'm talking about the password to your voicemail. Hence the reason 
> why I told you where to go to reset it.
>
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:49 PM, janet gross 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Joseph,
>> Ok now, I’ve never heard of this one until now.  So if I call myself, 
>> chances I’m not going to know the password as I’ve never used this 
>> feature, or are you talking about my password to my Apple ID?
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Janet
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>
>> From: Joseph Hudson
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>
>> No, it's not time to call Apple. I will tell you this much, you might 
>> want to try dialing your voicemail directly meaning dialing your phone 
>> number.
>> And then going in that way. If you don't remember the password to get 
>> into it, you can go to settings/phone to reset your password.
>>
>> > On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:33 PM, janet gross 
>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Sieghard,
>> > I did turn off the phone, and back on, as well as the audio 
>> > setting, but still no difference. I cleaned my phone yesterday.  I 
>> > wonder is this time for to call Apple.  LOL!
>> >
>> > Janet
>> >
>> > Sent from Mail for Windows
>> >
>> > From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:26 PM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> >
>> > Maybe turn it off, then turn your phone off. While it is off use 
>> > the opportunity to give your screen a good cleaning by which I mean 
>> > wipe it down with a damp but not wet to the point where it is 
>> > dripping cloth and then with a soft dry cloth afterwards.
>> > Then turn your phone back on and go back into Voiceover Settings > 
>> > Audio and turn the Auto Select Speaker option back on and see if 
>> > that does anything.
>> > If that still doesn't help and you don't want to upgrade you can 
>> > try a Reset Network Settings, it can fix all sorts of issues sometimes.
>> > Keep in mind that  you will have to know your WiFi password and 
>> > reconnect to your WiFi after you reboot.
>> > Reset Network Settings is in Settings > General > Reset
>> >
>> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> > Of janet gross
>> > Sent: November 14, 2021 6:18 PM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > I just followed your steps, but it didn’t help.  Although, the 
>> > setting was already turned on.  Any other suggestions?  Thank you.
>> >
>> > Janet
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from Mail for Windows
>> >
>> > From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:06 PM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> >
>> > Go to Settings > Accessibility > Voiceover > Audio Then swipe until 
>> > you hear "Auto Select Speaker in Call" and make sure this is On, if 
>> > it says "Off" then it would be normal that the audio doesn't switch 
>> > automatically when you take the phone away from your ear.
>> > If it is off just double tap and it will change to On, then close 
>> > settings and you should be fine.
>> >
>> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> > Of janet gross
>> > Sent: November 14, 2021 5:59 PM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > Can you tell me how to do this? Then maybe I might be able to 
>> > rectify my issue.
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> > Janet
>> > Sent from Mail for Windows
>> >
>> > From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:51 PM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>> >
>> > Have you checked to make sure the Setting responsible for auto 
>> > switching didn't somehow get turned off?
>> >
>> >
>> > From: 

Re: Looking for feature-Rich Voiceover Air Fryer

[Barry Abbott]

``Hi Doug. I would give VESync a try. I use `it  with my Casori Air Fryer  and 
find it to be accessible with VoiceOver. I think it is a replacement for the 
iDevices app.  ,Sent from Barry Abbott’s iPhone

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:58 PM, doug parisian  wrote:
> 
> I purchased a Proscenic Air Fryer only to discover that the updated 
> Proscenic App was not accessible. I had checked the app BEFORE purchasing 
> which, as far as I could discern without the Fryer was accessible. The newer 
> version wouldn't even let me register using Voiceover. Further, much of the 
> documentation appears to be a PDF scanned image which, if the App was 
> voiceover compliant was not a huge barrier. I could probably use some OCR 
> tool to access the instructions and there are lots of recipes on the web and 
> Utube.
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RE: I cannot edit in Facebook text boxes

[davycuppens]

I live in Belgium and here I cannot confirm or reproduce this bug and I am on 
the latest updates.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens R Van Lant
Verzonden: maandag 15 november 2021 6:02
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: I cannot edit in Facebook text boxes

 

Thanks for the work around. I’ll play with that and also see if I can report 
the issue to FB.  Very annoying.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Donna Casteen
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 2:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: I cannot edit in Facebook text boxes

 

This Facebook editting bug started for me 3 Facebook updates ago. I found 
turning on screen recognition & tapping within the edit box activates the 
cursor. Once the cursor has been activated, turn off SR & proceed with editting 
the post.

 

Donna

  

 

 

A longstanding issue as far as I know, it's almost impossible to do on an 
iPhone and I doubt it has to do with iOS 14 or 15, but it would be something 
Facebook has to fix. I once tried to simply change the price of something and 
after 10 minutes I finally gave up, handed the phone to one of my employees 
with Voiceover turned off and it took him all of 10 seconds… accessibility at 
its finest.

All you can do is bitch to Facebook about it, whether it helps I don't know, 
but it certainly will not help if you don't do it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of R 
Van Lant
Sent: November 14, 2021 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: I cannot edit in Facebook text boxes

 

Anyone else having issues editing text boxes in Facebook?  I am frustrated.  
Using the latest version of the app, although I think I’m maybe still on IOS 
14.8.  I have been posting a few things to sell on Facebook and also tried to 
comment on a group thread last night. In each case, I cannot go back and edit 
dictation errors.  Even if I move by character or word, the text cursor is not 
moving so any text I add is at the wrong place.  Double tapping to move my 
cursor to the beginning  or end of the text box doesn’t give me the normal 
feedback either.  Is this a known bug?Anything I’m doing wrong?

 

 

Robin

 

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RE: new iphone 13 pro max issues

[sarai.bucciarelli]

Hi Alan:

I tried that and the web site said already activated. LOL. I have to work so 
someone is going to take my phone to an AT store. I do not have a landline, 
but I atleast have my watch.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 11:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new iphone 13 pro max issues

 

Hi Sarai,

 

I had some difficulty getting my Verizon prepaid phone service activated on my 
new iPhone 13 Mini but it wasn’t an eSIM issue. I tried using the do it 
yourself on the phone activation offered by Verizon which requires you to key 
in the IMEI and ICCID but when you have one cellular phone line that is moving 
to the device you’re activating, you can’t successfully do this using your old 
cellular phone. I got cut off in the middle of the process which if I’d been 
thinking, I should have realized this could happen. Fortunately, I had a 
landline I was able to use to get support from Verizon to finish the activation 
process. I had already gotten the physical SIM mailed to me from Verizon but it 
still had to be activated to move my service from the iPhone SE 2020 to the 13 
Mini.

 

Does AT have a website or phone app that will let you activate your 13 Pro? 
Hopefully, you won’t have to go into an AT store to get them to activate your 
phone.

 

Good luck with getting this resolved.

 

Alan Lemly 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: new iphone 13 pro max issues

 

I tried putting my 8Plus standard sim in the tray of the 13 pro max.. but since 
the sim had been deactivated it didn’t work. Ugg.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: new iphone 13 pro max issues

 

Hi Sieghard

 

That’s interesting that you scan a qr code to activate the e sim,

 

But does that then allow you to put a standard sim in to the tray and utilize 2 
services?

 

 

The e sim usage isn’t something we have available to us in NZ 

With 2 of our main providers,

 

Another one does use it but doesn’t’ advertise the fact. 

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:21 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: new iphone 13 pro max issues

 

I am just in the process of switching to a new provider and I will be switching 
from a physical SIM to an eSim. I asked them how this would work and they told 
me that because I was switching to a different provider they would send me a 
new physical SIM and I would first insert that and then my cell number would be 
transferred to them. After that and he said I should give it a few days I can 
then activate the eSIM which he said will be done by scanning a QR code they 
also send me. I asked him what I would have to do if I wanted to get a new 
phone down the road and was told that at that point they would once again send 
me a QR code which I would scan on the new phone and that would activate the 
eSIM.

I did not know you can transfer an eSIM to a new phone the way you described. 
Not saying it can't be done, but that is different from what I was told by my 
carrier here in Canada..

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  
Sent: November 14, 2021 2:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  ; 
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: new iphone 13 pro max issues

 

Well… Only I would come up with this one.

I transferred my 8Plus to  my 13 pro max including e-sim. I had to do it via 
iCloud. Verified the cell service worked fine. Well the icloud restoration got 
hosed.. so I stopped the restoration. Signed out of icloud and reset phone back 
to factory default. I connected to Wifi and Bluetooth. Managed to transfer data 
from 1 phone to the other phone. Problem is no cell service on either device. 6 
AT tech support reps cannot figure it out. I have no phone at all. Ugg. 

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RE: new iphone 13 pro max issues

[sarai.bucciarelli]

Oh it physically fit but was deactivated on initial setup.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new iphone 13 pro max issues

 

No put the sim card still fits the sim tray.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  
Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 3:57 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: new iphone 13 pro max issues

 

I tried putting my 8Plus standard sim in the tray of the 13 pro max.. but since 
the sim had been deactivated it didn’t work. Ugg.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: new iphone 13 pro max issues

 

Hi Sieghard

 

That’s interesting that you scan a qr code to activate the e sim,

 

But does that then allow you to put a standard sim in to the tray and utilize 2 
services?

 

 

The e sim usage isn’t something we have available to us in NZ 

With 2 of our main providers,

 

Another one does use it but doesn’t’ advertise the fact. 

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:21 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: new iphone 13 pro max issues

 

I am just in the process of switching to a new provider and I will be switching 
from a physical SIM to an eSim. I asked them how this would work and they told 
me that because I was switching to a different provider they would send me a 
new physical SIM and I would first insert that and then my cell number would be 
transferred to them. After that and he said I should give it a few days I can 
then activate the eSIM which he said will be done by scanning a QR code they 
also send me. I asked him what I would have to do if I wanted to get a new 
phone down the road and was told that at that point they would once again send 
me a QR code which I would scan on the new phone and that would activate the 
eSIM.

I did not know you can transfer an eSIM to a new phone the way you described. 
Not saying it can't be done, but that is different from what I was told by my 
carrier here in Canada..

 

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sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  
Sent: November 14, 2021 2:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  ; 
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: new iphone 13 pro max issues

 

Well… Only I would come up with this one.

I transferred my 8Plus to  my 13 pro max including e-sim. I had to do it via 
iCloud. Verified the cell service worked fine. Well the icloud restoration got 
hosed.. so I stopped the restoration. Signed out of icloud and reset phone back 
to factory default. I connected to Wifi and Bluetooth. Managed to transfer data 
from 1 phone to the other phone. Problem is no cell service on either device. 6 
AT tech support reps cannot figure it out. I have no phone at all. Ugg. 

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