RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
I hope they sort out the issues with self driving cars etc by the time the technology gets to new Zealand, Our roads in a lot of cases are crap and I don't see autonomous vehicals working well until they sort that out here. As for 5g, I don't even think they've started putting it in yet, Providers are still in the testing phases -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 5:26 am To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions I think it will be some time before 5G coverage is complete, I am sure years down the road it will be very complete since it's crutial to things like self-driving cars and so on. As for Mark's hope that this year's iPhone 12 include some sort of fingerprint authentication in addition to Face Id I highly doubt this will be the case. My wife and I both have an iPhone 8 and we'll stick with it for at least one more year, I don't think this year's phones are going to be that convincing with their first generation 5G support and smaller batteries. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions Both, The sE has touch ID and you will have a pin code. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Saturday, 19 September 2020 6:03 am To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions With the SE phone, can you use a passcode or touch ID instead of face recognition? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Hi Les, > I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face > ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus > comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better > battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to > recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. > And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe > somewhere on AppleVis. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: >> >> Hi Mark and Aul, >> >> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be >> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am >> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, >> however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I >> would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can >> recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance >> for any assistance. >> Best regards, >> Les >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>> >>> Hello Family, >>> >>> 1. >>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. >>> >>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. >>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, >>> albeit a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This >>> feature drove me crazy because it kept saying something like >>> "triangle or diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a >>> list. It took me what seemed like forever to find where this >>> feature was located in the OS. I found the setting under VoiceOver >>> Verbosity. I turned the feature to off but doing so did not disable the >>> feature until after a restart of the device. >>> >>> 2. >>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the >>> scene descriptions were set to off, by default. >>> >>> 3. >>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been >>> on the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, >>> sooner or later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the >>> responsiveness of the phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on >>> my 8 Plus until after hearing from various people on this list, that >>> doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to slow down. I am also not going >>> to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an >>> iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it ships with a Touch >>> ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will. If the iPhone 12 >>> does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try
RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
I think it will be some time before 5G coverage is complete, I am sure years down the road it will be very complete since it's crutial to things like self-driving cars and so on. As for Mark's hope that this year's iPhone 12 include some sort of fingerprint authentication in addition to Face Id I highly doubt this will be the case. My wife and I both have an iPhone 8 and we'll stick with it for at least one more year, I don't think this year's phones are going to be that convincing with their first generation 5G support and smaller batteries. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions Both, The sE has touch ID and you will have a pin code. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Saturday, 19 September 2020 6:03 am To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions With the SE phone, can you use a passcode or touch ID instead of face recognition? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Hi Les, > I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face > ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus > comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better > battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to > recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. > And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe > somewhere on AppleVis. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: >> >> Hi Mark and Aul, >> >> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be >> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am >> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, >> however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I >> would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can >> recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance >> for any assistance. >> Best regards, >> Les >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>> >>> Hello Family, >>> >>> 1. >>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. >>> >>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. >>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, >>> albeit a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This >>> feature drove me crazy because it kept saying something like >>> "triangle or diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a >>> list. It took me what seemed like forever to find where this >>> feature was located in the OS. I found the setting under VoiceOver >>> Verbosity. I turned the feature to off but doing so did not disable the >>> feature until after a restart of the device. >>> >>> 2. >>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the >>> scene descriptions were set to off, by default. >>> >>> 3. >>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been >>> on the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, >>> sooner or later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the >>> responsiveness of the phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on >>> my 8 Plus until after hearing from various people on this list, that >>> doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to slow down. I am also not going >>> to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an >>> iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it ships with a Touch >>> ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will. If the iPhone 12 >>> does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out for >>> another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on a >>> later model. >>> >>> 4. >>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch >>> ID sensor / Home button. I am hoping that Apple will include the >>> same or similar feature on iPhone 12. However, given the way that >>> they have implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of >>> iPAds, all bets are off. Just have to wait and se
RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
Both, The sE has touch ID and you will have a pin code. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Saturday, 19 September 2020 6:03 am To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions With the SE phone, can you use a passcode or touch ID instead of face recognition? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Hi Les, > I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face > ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus > comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better > battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to > recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. > And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe > somewhere on AppleVis. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: >> >> Hi Mark and Aul, >> >> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be >> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am >> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, >> however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I >> would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can >> recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance >> for any assistance. >> Best regards, >> Les >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>> >>> Hello Family, >>> >>> 1. >>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. >>> >>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. >>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, >>> albeit a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This >>> feature drove me crazy because it kept saying something like >>> "triangle or diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a >>> list. It took me what seemed like forever to find where this >>> feature was located in the OS. I found the setting under VoiceOver >>> Verbosity. I turned the feature to off but doing so did not disable the >>> feature until after a restart of the device. >>> >>> 2. >>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the >>> scene descriptions were set to off, by default. >>> >>> 3. >>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been >>> on the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, >>> sooner or later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the >>> responsiveness of the phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on >>> my 8 Plus until after hearing from various people on this list, that >>> doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to slow down. I am also not going >>> to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an >>> iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it ships with a Touch >>> ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will. If the iPhone 12 >>> does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out for >>> another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on a >>> later model. >>> >>> 4. >>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch >>> ID sensor / Home button. I am hoping that Apple will include the >>> same or similar feature on iPhone 12. However, given the way that >>> they have implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of >>> iPAds, all bets are off. Just have to wait and see. >>> >>> 5. >>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we >>> can talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and >>> devices. >>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning. >>> >>> I hope you are all doing well. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the lis
Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
Thanks Mary, we like traveling in Oregon's wine country and to the coast. But, mostly we really like our house and yard. It will be nice when we can have friends over again.Later, Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Sep 18, 2020, at 3:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote: Thanks for the services you provide, richard. I had forgotten about your handout. And congratulations on the retirement. If we ever get past the virus and the fires, enjoy traveling if that’s what you like. Lots to see and do here in the Northwest. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Richard Turner wrote: As Mary said, it is mostly the few new gestures. I cover those in the handout I put together on VoiceOver gestures, freely available at https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C26370ea1ed604665606208d85c2046f4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637360640975846675sdata=DC5YbmrCo63tYEM9oflWUykWgIVfkIQwA3ehtixpAGQ%3Dreserved=0 Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions Hi Mark and Aul, Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Best regards, Les Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Family, 1. I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This feature drove me crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a list. It took me what seemed like forever to find where this feature was located in the OS. I found the setting under VoiceOver Verbosity. I turned the feature to off but doing so did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device. 2. I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the scene descriptions were set to off, by default. 3. My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been on the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to slow down. I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will. If the iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on a later model. 4. Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID sensor / Home button. I am hoping that Apple will include the same or similar feature on iPhone 12. However, given the way that they have implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are off. Just have to wait and see. 5. I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices. If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning. I hope you are all doing well. Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
Hi Marie, I have the 8S plus. But you raise a good point. I have an awfully good deal with Verizon is I’m on a loyalty plan. It’s also for seniors. So I will have to make some decisions about all of this. Thanks for the info. Stay well. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 6:13:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions Hi Les, Well, from what I have heard, for somebody in your situation in a more rural area, 5G is a loser specially if you’re on Verizon. From what I’ve read, it sounds like the best 5G rural area coverage is T-Mobile. They don’t use millimeterwave. That’s the really fast stuff. But it also doesn’t go anywhere and isn’t available anywhere except for major metro areas. So I wonder if getting a new phone with a better modem and it would solve your problem. What phone do you have now? Seven or an eight? Can’t remember. Good luck in any case. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi Mary, Well, the problem here is that we moved a little over a year ago. I am now living in a more rural area. Connection problems have persisted since I moved. Therefore, for me, assuming they bring 5G to my area, I think it would help with connection issues that I’m having. I have lots of dropouts when they really shouldn’t happen. This was related to my use of the my eyes. Anyway, I will investigate all options as soon as I know what they are. Thanks for the assist. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:39:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions Hi Les, Well, if the + type SE actually comes out, I think that would be extremely tempting. I do not care about 5G. I really don’t at this point. I think it’s a lot of hype. And I get decent LTE out here on T-Mobile. I am right around 100 Mbps download. I’ll take that. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi Mary, It’s nice to hear from you. I hope you are doing well. Yes, that’s what I suspected. I’ll have to make a decision but I’d like to get a phone with 5G capability. We shall see when the time comes. The SC is tempting, I must say. I’ve heard so many good things about that phone, I am tempted to get one of those. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:54:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions Hi Les, I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe somewhere on AppleVis. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > Hi Mark and Aul, > > Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be > purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am > not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. > Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. > Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I > prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any > assistance. > Best regards, > Les > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello Family, >> >> 1. >> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. >> >> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. >> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a >> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This feature drove me >> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost >> all the time when viewing items in a list. It took me what seemed like >> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS. I found the >> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity. I turned the feature to off but doing so >> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device. >> >> 2. >> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the scene >> descriptions w
Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
Thanks for the services you provide, richard. I had forgotten about your handout. And congratulations on the retirement. If we ever get past the virus and the fires, enjoy traveling if that’s what you like. Lots to see and do here in the Northwest. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > As Mary said, it is mostly the few new gestures. > I cover those in the handout I put together on VoiceOver gestures, freely > available at www.turner42.com > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward > Herbert > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Les > Kriegler > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:29 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions > > Hi Mark and Aul, > > Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be > purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am > not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. > Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. > Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I > prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any > assistance. > Best regards, > Les > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello Family, >> >> 1. >> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. >> >> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. >> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit >> a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This feature >> drove me crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or >> diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a list. It took >> me what seemed like forever to find where this feature was located in >> the OS. I found the setting under VoiceOver Verbosity. I turned the >> feature to off but doing so did not disable the feature until after a >> restart of the device. >> >> 2. >> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the scene >> descriptions were set to off, by default. >> >> 3. >> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been on >> the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or >> later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness >> of the phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until >> after hearing from various people on this list, that doing so will not >> cause my 8 Plus to slow down. I am also not going to install 14 on my >> 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is >> released; assuming that it ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly >> suspect that it will. If the iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID >> sensor, then I will try to hold out for another year in hopes that >> Apple will bring the hardware feature back on a later model. >> >> 4. >> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID >> sensor / Home button. I am hoping that Apple will include the same or >> similar feature on iPhone 12. However, given the way that they have >> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets >> are off. Just have to wait and see. >> >> 5. >> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we >> can talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and >> devices. >> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning. >> >> I hope you are all doing well. >> >> Mark >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for t
Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
Hi Les, Well, from what I have heard, for somebody in your situation in a more rural area, 5G is a loser specially if you’re on Verizon. From what I’ve read, it sounds like the best 5G rural area coverage is T-Mobile. They don’t use millimeterwave. That’s the really fast stuff. But it also doesn’t go anywhere and isn’t available anywhere except for major metro areas. So I wonder if getting a new phone with a better modem and it would solve your problem. What phone do you have now? Seven or an eight? Can’t remember. Good luck in any case. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > > Hi Mary, > > Well, the problem here is that we moved a little over a year ago. I am now > living in a more rural area. Connection problems have persisted since I > moved. Therefore, for me, assuming they bring 5G to my area, I think it would > help with connection issues that I’m having. I have lots of dropouts when > they really shouldn’t happen. This was related to my use of the my eyes. > Anyway, I will investigate all options as soon as I know what they are. > Thanks for the assist. > > Get Outlook for iOS > From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Mary > Otten > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:39:28 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions > > Hi Les, > Well, if the + type SE actually comes out, I think that would be extremely > tempting. I do not care about 5G. I really don’t at this point. I think it’s > a lot of hype. And I get decent LTE out here on T-Mobile. I am right around > 100 Mbps download. I’ll take that. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: >>> >> >> Hi Mary, >> >> It’s nice to hear from you. I hope you are doing well. Yes, that’s what I >> suspected. I’ll have to make a decision but I’d like to get a phone with 5G >> capability. We shall see when the time comes. The SC is tempting, I must >> say. I’ve heard so many good things about that phone, I am tempted to get >> one of those. >> >> Get Outlook for iOS >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Mary >> Otten >> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:54:10 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions >> >> Hi Les, >> I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with >> face ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE >> plus comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better >> battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to >> recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home >> button. And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even >> describe somewhere on AppleVis. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: >> > >> > Hi Mark and Aul, >> > >> > Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be >> > purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am >> > not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, >> > however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I >> > would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can >> > recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in >> > advance for any assistance. >> > Best regards, >> > Les >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> >> >> Hello Family, >> >> >> >> 1. >> >> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. >> >> >> >> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. >> >> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a >> >> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This feature drove me >> >> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost >> >> all the time when viewing items in a list. It took me what seemed like >> >> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS. I found the >> >> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity. I turned the feature to off but doing >> >> so >> >> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device. >> >> >> >
Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
Hi Richard, Thanks as usual for the excellent service you provide. Also, much congratulations on your retirement. Take it from someone who’s been retired for a while, you will enjoy it. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:24:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions As Mary said, it is mostly the few new gestures. I cover those in the handout I put together on VoiceOver gestures, freely available at www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com> Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions Hi Mark and Aul, Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Best regards, Les Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Family, > > 1. > I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. > > Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. > However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit > a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This feature > drove me crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or > diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a list. It took > me what seemed like forever to find where this feature was located in > the OS. I found the setting under VoiceOver Verbosity. I turned the > feature to off but doing so did not disable the feature until after a restart > of the device. > > 2. > I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the scene > descriptions were set to off, by default. > > 3. > My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been on > the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or > later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness > of the phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until > after hearing from various people on this list, that doing so will not > cause my 8 Plus to slow down. I am also not going to install 14 on my > 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is > released; assuming that it ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly > suspect that it will. If the iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID > sensor, then I will try to hold out for another year in hopes that > Apple will bring the hardware feature back on a later model. > > 4. > Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID > sensor / Home button. I am hoping that Apple will include the same or > similar feature on iPhone 12. However, given the way that they have > implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets > are off. Just have to wait and see. > > 5. > I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we > can talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and > devices. > If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning. > > I hope you are all doing well. > > Mark > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m > ail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C > a788eefbf7354215ca2e08d85bf857a2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C > 1%7C0%7C637360469459010917sdata=YZAXq81%2BNc85gDha74c5g%2
RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
As Mary said, it is mostly the few new gestures. I cover those in the handout I put together on VoiceOver gestures, freely available at www.turner42.com Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions Hi Mark and Aul, Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Best regards, Les Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Family, > > 1. > I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. > > Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. > However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit > a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This feature > drove me crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or > diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a list. It took > me what seemed like forever to find where this feature was located in > the OS. I found the setting under VoiceOver Verbosity. I turned the > feature to off but doing so did not disable the feature until after a restart > of the device. > > 2. > I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the scene > descriptions were set to off, by default. > > 3. > My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been on > the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or > later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness > of the phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until > after hearing from various people on this list, that doing so will not > cause my 8 Plus to slow down. I am also not going to install 14 on my > 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is > released; assuming that it ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly > suspect that it will. If the iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID > sensor, then I will try to hold out for another year in hopes that > Apple will bring the hardware feature back on a later model. > > 4. > Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID > sensor / Home button. I am hoping that Apple will include the same or > similar feature on iPhone 12. However, given the way that they have > implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets > are off. Just have to wait and see. > > 5. > I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we > can talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and > devices. > If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning. > > I hope you are all doing well. > > Mark > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m > ail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C > a788eefbf7354215ca2e08d85bf857a2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C > 1%7C0%7C637360469459010917sdata=YZAXq81%2BNc85gDha74c5g%2BCbrr9wQ > bYhPA7nu4Rjkwo%3Dreserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F0006
Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
Hi Mary, Well, the problem here is that we moved a little over a year ago. I am now living in a more rural area. Connection problems have persisted since I moved. Therefore, for me, assuming they bring 5G to my area, I think it would help with connection issues that I’m having. I have lots of dropouts when they really shouldn’t happen. This was related to my use of the my eyes. Anyway, I will investigate all options as soon as I know what they are. Thanks for the assist. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:39:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions Hi Les, Well, if the + type SE actually comes out, I think that would be extremely tempting. I do not care about 5G. I really don’t at this point. I think it’s a lot of hype. And I get decent LTE out here on T-Mobile. I am right around 100 Mbps download. I’ll take that. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi Mary, It’s nice to hear from you. I hope you are doing well. Yes, that’s what I suspected. I’ll have to make a decision but I’d like to get a phone with 5G capability. We shall see when the time comes. The SC is tempting, I must say. I’ve heard so many good things about that phone, I am tempted to get one of those. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:54:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions Hi Les, I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe somewhere on AppleVis. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > Hi Mark and Aul, > > Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be > purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am > not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. > Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. > Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I > prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any > assistance. > Best regards, > Les > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello Family, >> >> 1. >> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. >> >> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. >> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a >> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This feature drove me >> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost >> all the time when viewing items in a list. It took me what seemed like >> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS. I found the >> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity. I turned the feature to off but doing so >> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device. >> >> 2. >> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the scene >> descriptions were set to off, by default. >> >> 3. >> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been on the >> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later, >> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the >> phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing >> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to >> slow down. I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am >> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it >> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will. If the >> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out >> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on >> a later model. >> >> 4. >> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID >> sensor / Home button. I am hoping that Apple will include the same or >> similar feature on iPhone 12. However, given the way
Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
Hi Les, Well, if the + type SE actually comes out, I think that would be extremely tempting. I do not care about 5G. I really don’t at this point. I think it’s a lot of hype. And I get decent LTE out here on T-Mobile. I am right around 100 Mbps download. I’ll take that. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > > Hi Mary, > > It’s nice to hear from you. I hope you are doing well. Yes, that’s what I > suspected. I’ll have to make a decision but I’d like to get a phone with 5G > capability. We shall see when the time comes. The SC is tempting, I must say. > I’ve heard so many good things about that phone, I am tempted to get one of > those. > > Get Outlook for iOS > From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Mary > Otten > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:54:10 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions > > Hi Les, > I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face > ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus > comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better > battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to > recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. > And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe > somewhere on AppleVis. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > > > Hi Mark and Aul, > > > > Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be > > purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am > > not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, > > however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I > > would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can > > recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in > > advance for any assistance. > > Best regards, > > Les > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > >> > >> Hello Family, > >> > >> 1. > >> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. > >> > >> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. > >> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a > >> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This feature drove me > >> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost > >> all the time when viewing items in a list. It took me what seemed like > >> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS. I found the > >> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity. I turned the feature to off but doing > >> so > >> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device. > >> > >> 2. > >> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the scene > >> descriptions were set to off, by default. > >> > >> 3. > >> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been on the > >> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later, > >> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the > >> phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after > >> hearing > >> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to > >> slow down. I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am > >> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it > >> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will. If the > >> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out > >> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back > >> on > >> a later model. > >> > >> 4. > >> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID > >> sensor / Home button. I am hoping that Apple will include the same or > >> similar feature on iPhone 12. However, given the way that they have > >> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are > >> off. Just have to wait and see. > >> > >> 5. > >> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can > >> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and de
Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
You can use a passcode on all of them. And yes, the SC has the home button and the touch ID. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Shirley Baker wrote: > > With the SE phone, can you use a passcode or touch ID instead of face > recognition? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Mary Otten wrote: >> >> Hi Les, >> I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with >> face ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE >> plus comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better >> battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to >> recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home >> button. And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even >> describe somewhere on AppleVis. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mark and Aul, >>> >>> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be >>> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am >>> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, >>> however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I >>> would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can >>> recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in >>> advance for any assistance. >>> Best regards, >>> Les >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> > On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Family, 1. I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This feature drove me crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a list. It took me what seemed like forever to find where this feature was located in the OS. I found the setting under VoiceOver Verbosity. I turned the feature to off but doing so did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device. 2. I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the scene descriptions were set to off, by default. 3. My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been on the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to slow down. I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will. If the iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on a later model. 4. Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID sensor / Home button. I am hoping that Apple will include the same or similar feature on iPhone 12. However, given the way that they have implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are off. Just have to wait and see. 5. I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices. If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning. I hope you are all doing well. Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000601d68dd4%24ecfaa240%24c6efe6c0%24%40edu. >>>
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With the SE phone, can you use a passcode or touch ID instead of face recognition? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Hi Les, > I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face > ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus > comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better > battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to > recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. > And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe > somewhere on AppleVis. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: >> >> Hi Mark and Aul, >> >> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be >> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am >> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, >> however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I >> would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can >> recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance >> for any assistance. >> Best regards, >> Les >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>> >>> Hello Family, >>> >>> 1. >>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. >>> >>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. >>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a >>> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This feature drove me >>> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost >>> all the time when viewing items in a list. It took me what seemed like >>> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS. I found the >>> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity. I turned the feature to off but doing so >>> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device. >>> >>> 2. >>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the scene >>> descriptions were set to off, by default. >>> >>> 3. >>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been on the >>> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later, >>> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the >>> phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing >>> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to >>> slow down. I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am >>> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it >>> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will. If the >>> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out >>> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on >>> a later model. >>> >>> 4. >>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID >>> sensor / Home button. I am hoping that Apple will include the same or >>> similar feature on iPhone 12. However, given the way that they have >>> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are >>> off. Just have to wait and see. >>> >>> 5. >>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can >>> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices. >>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning. >>> >>> I hope you are all doing well. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000601d68dd4%24ecfaa240%24c6efe6c0%24%40edu. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list
Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
Hi Mary, It’s nice to hear from you. I hope you are doing well. Yes, that’s what I suspected. I’ll have to make a decision but I’d like to get a phone with 5G capability. We shall see when the time comes. The SC is tempting, I must say. I’ve heard so many good things about that phone, I am tempted to get one of those. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:54:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions Hi Les, I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe somewhere on AppleVis. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > Hi Mark and Aul, > > Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be > purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am > not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. > Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. > Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I > prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any > assistance. > Best regards, > Les > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello Family, >> >> 1. >> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. >> >> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. >> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a >> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This feature drove me >> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost >> all the time when viewing items in a list. It took me what seemed like >> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS. I found the >> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity. I turned the feature to off but doing so >> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device. >> >> 2. >> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the scene >> descriptions were set to off, by default. >> >> 3. >> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been on the >> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later, >> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the >> phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing >> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to >> slow down. I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am >> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it >> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will. If the >> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out >> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on >> a later model. >> >> 4. >> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID >> sensor / Home button. I am hoping that Apple will include the same or >> similar feature on iPhone 12. However, given the way that they have >> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are >> off. Just have to wait and see. >> >> 5. >> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can >> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices. >> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning. >> >> I hope you are all doing well. >> >> Mark >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be
Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
Hi Les, I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe somewhere on AppleVis. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > Hi Mark and Aul, > > Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be > purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am > not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. > Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. > Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I > prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any > assistance. > Best regards, > Les > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello Family, >> >> 1. >> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. >> >> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. >> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a >> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This feature drove me >> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost >> all the time when viewing items in a list. It took me what seemed like >> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS. I found the >> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity. I turned the feature to off but doing so >> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device. >> >> 2. >> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the scene >> descriptions were set to off, by default. >> >> 3. >> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been on the >> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later, >> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the >> phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing >> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to >> slow down. I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am >> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it >> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will. If the >> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out >> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on >> a later model. >> >> 4. >> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID >> sensor / Home button. I am hoping that Apple will include the same or >> similar feature on iPhone 12. However, given the way that they have >> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are >> off. Just have to wait and see. >> >> 5. >> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can >> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices. >> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning. >> >> I hope you are all doing well. >> >> Mark >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000601d68dd4%24ecfaa240%24c6efe6c0%24%40edu. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: >
Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
Hi Mark and Aul, Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Best regards, Les Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Family, > > 1. > I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. > > Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. > However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a > scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This feature drove me > crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost > all the time when viewing items in a list. It took me what seemed like > forever to find where this feature was located in the OS. I found the > setting under VoiceOver Verbosity. I turned the feature to off but doing so > did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device. > > 2. > I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the scene > descriptions were set to off, by default. > > 3. > My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been on the > market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later, > installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the > phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing > from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to > slow down. I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am > planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it > ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will. If the > iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out > for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on > a later model. > > 4. > Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID > sensor / Home button. I am hoping that Apple will include the same or > similar feature on iPhone 12. However, given the way that they have > implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are > off. Just have to wait and see. > > 5. > I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can > talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices. > If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning. > > I hope you are all doing well. > > Mark > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000601d68dd4%24ecfaa240%24c6efe6c0%24%40edu. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/20C114AE-1041-44E7-B733-8C4BFFE0BC83%40gmail.com.
Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
Hi Mark, I have Ios 14 on iphone 8, and it’s working just fine. About zoom, can we do it not to late for Israel? Afik Sent from my Iphone > On 18 Sep 2020, at 19:01, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Family, > > 1. > I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet. > > Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model. > However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a > scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default. This feature drove me > crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost > all the time when viewing items in a list. It took me what seemed like > forever to find where this feature was located in the OS. I found the > setting under VoiceOver Verbosity. I turned the feature to off but doing so > did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device. > > 2. > I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11. Strangely enough, all of the scene > descriptions were set to off, by default. > > 3. > My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus. The 8 Plus has been on the > market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later, > installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the > phone. So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing > from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to > slow down. I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am > planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it > ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will. If the > iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out > for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on > a later model. > > 4. > Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID > sensor / Home button. I am hoping that Apple will include the same or > similar feature on iPhone 12. However, given the way that they have > implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are > off. Just have to wait and see. > > 5. > I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can > talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices. > If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning. > > I hope you are all doing well. > > Mark > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cd3818d5c75f94f25ceae08d85bec2960%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637360417140767281sdata=42RUqxsNDw8EbHF5UIBVdNkuSC2TLATjG9HkRddUNuU%3Dreserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F000601d68dd4%2524ecfaa240%2524c6efe6c0%2524%2540edudata=02%7C01%7C%7Cd3818d5c75f94f25ceae08d85bec2960%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637360417140777274sdata=6YSULzUr5fnmniHoxkYmgw2QkDtYqw%2FQMglndGyd9Ek%3Dreserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BYAPR06MB49192A78DC3666AF9358C221853F0%40BYAPR06MB4919.namprd06.prod.outlook.com.
