RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

Not interested in folding keyboard, usually that means keys are misplaced 
slightly and, I never did well with the Microsoft split keyboards, tried them a 
few time, productivity was horrible.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Would you believe I have a full size 102 key bluetooth keyboard with terraced 
rows of keys with quite a long clicky travel.  Love 
the feel of it, but dubious portability, though it does fold in half TG and 
goes in a cloth pouch.

BobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" <richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 3:25 AM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


Another reason not to have a Macbook, or to have to use a USB keyboard, which 
defeats the idea of having the portability.  Isn't 
technology fun?

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Well someone on another list just told me that you cannot turn off the touchpad 
on a MacBook. That is disgusting.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 6:39 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Rose,
> Try Function F5.  That is how both my Work Del and my home Toshiba now turn 
> off the touch pad.
> I find I often have to turn it off again after rebooting, but at least I can 
> turn it off.
>
> I hope that works.  I hate touchpads.
>
> Richard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rose Combs
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>
> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
> wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an 
> option and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
> Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard 
> is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
> palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
> old, I could turn that off with function key 9, 
> can't seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control 
> panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.
>
> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
> spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
> wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have 
> typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or 
> less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
> especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to 
> this instead of other things to make it work for me, I 
> use the Focus minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, 
> transitioning to a new company not by my choice, then 
> ill, was terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.
>
> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at
> roseco...@q.com
>
> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
> years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
> see what is happening is the reason I was asked about 
> a laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
> cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
> taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought 
> me a mini after that and just before new 
> announcements were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't 
> going anywhere and his was donated to a friend who 
> spent months on a ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  
> I helped set it up so it could talk for him after my 
> husband passed a year ago in the spring.
> So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
> Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
> carry.
> My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, 
> and if I could get it to connect to my home network so 
> I could load it easier

RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

Where does them?  Never heard of this.  
Provide a website please?  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Ps:  you can get small footprint usb keyboards too, with quality mechanisms 
like the original IBM and Mackintosh keyboards of old.
Cherry and Matias still do them.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made this 
off topic.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option 
and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is 
back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed 
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.  I 
once was very fast but now am not, especially on 
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a 
new company not by my choice, then ill, was 
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a 
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought me 
a mini after that and just before new announcements 
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and 
his was donated to a friend who spent months on a 
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up 
so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
carry.
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I 
could load it easier it would be my choice.

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard 
anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would 
not open the documents I will be sent.
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with 
complete confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 
9, choosing among apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I 
could borrow my husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with 
which I am not that familiar, and use something like text at it. Neither

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[christopher hallsworth]

Actually that is true. The VoiceOver cursor ignores the mouse pointer by 
default.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 15:01, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That's true, it does disable trackpad commander. If VoiceOver is
> running though, and trackpad commander is turned off, I don't think
> that anything would happen with the focus of the VoiceOver cursor. I
> may be wrong. I am a fairly new Mac user but in my limited experience,
> if trackpad commander was off then my focus did not jump around if I
> touch the trackpad while typing.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 9/22/15, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wayne,
>> Doesn't that disable trackpad commander, a voice over feature? Not the
>> trackpad itself.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 6:24 AM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> For what it's worth, you can disable the trackpad on a MacBook by
>>> holding the VO keys (Control and Option) and then turning two fingers
>>> in the rodar gesture toward the left on the trackpad or counter
>>> clockwise. This will disable the trackpad and prevent your focus from
>>> jumping around if you touch the touchpad. The first few times I used
>>> Text Edit on my MacBook Pro, I turned off the trackpad using this
>>> gesture. I ran into the same issue you had with the trackpad. I
>>> haven't had to type for a long period on the MacBook yet, but I do
>>> like its keyboard and can see myself using it several hours at a
>>> stretch.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
>>>> On 9/22/15, Sherrie <nanagoose4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I think if I had to take notes I would record the meeting and then
>>>> transcribe it later at home.  I have List Recorder and like it.
>>>> Just a thought.
>>>> Sherrie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:02 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>>>> 
>>>> This is my point, a regular usb keyboard, and it is still on about the
>>>> most
>>>> 
>>>> efficient way to type freely as secretary at a meeting.
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made
>>>> this off topic.
>>>> 
>>>> Neal
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Rose Combs
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>>>> 
>>>> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they
>>>> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a
>>>> wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an
>>>> option and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a
>>>> Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the
>>>> keyboard
>>>> 
>>>> is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the
>>>> palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had,
>>>> very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't
>>>> seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control
>>>> panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn
>>>> the
>>>> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last
>>>> spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get
>>>> me
>>>> wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed
>>>> 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or
>>>> less.
>>>> 
>>>> I once was very fast but now am not, especially on
>>>> tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead
>>>

RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

Wishful thinking, all I see are cordless which is great but long, not able to 
put in case, and most Bluetooth keyboards I have seen are scrunched with small 
keys, impossible to type on for long.  The keyboard that came with my iPad 
which my husband thoughtfully bought was horrible, he eventually took that one 
but again, I think it got misplaced when they moved him from regular room to 
ICU in 2014 because it never came home, along with a phone charger and a 
netbook charger.  When I called no one had a clue, not that I would use that 
particular keyboard if I found it.  Typing in passwords were a challenge and 
typing anything longer than a password drove me crazy because keys were off 
where they should have been.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Ps:  you can get small footprint usb keyboards too, with quality mechanisms 
like the original IBM and Mackintosh keyboards of old.
Cherry and Matias still do them.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made this 
off topic.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option 
and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is 
back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed 
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.  I 
once was very fast but now am not, especially on 
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a 
new company not by my choice, then ill, was 
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a 
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought me 
a mini after that and just before new announcements 
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and 
his was donated to a friend who spent months on a 
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up 
so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
carry.
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I 
could load it easier it would be my choice.

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard 
anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would 
not open the documents I will be sent.
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 201

RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

Yes, but it does not fit into a laptop case, or at least none in mine.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

This is my point, a regular usb keyboard, and it is still on about the most 
efficient way to type freely as secretary at a meeting.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made this 
off topic.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option 
and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is 
back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed 
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.  I 
once was very fast but now am not, especially on 
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a 
new company not by my choice, then ill, was 
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a 
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought me 
a mini after that and just before new announcements 
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and 
his was donated to a friend who spent months on a 
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up 
so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
carry.
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I 
could load it easier it would be my choice.

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard 
anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would 
not open the documents I will be sent.
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with 
complete confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 
9, choosing among apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I 
could borrow my husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with 
which I am not that familiar, and use something like text at it. Neither 
prospect is exciting. I'm

RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

I have my husband's netbook, however, much of it is not working right now, and 
when he passed the hospital forgot battery charger.  Have had a time trying to 
find new one for that particular computer as I bought it for him in 2009, so 
far no real luck, bought one that did not fit.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 12:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Blessedly, you can use bluetooth or usb keyboards on netbooks.  The last one I 
had, I always plugged a usb keyboard into it as I 
hate netbook keyboards from the start. Not such a portable option, but one good 
bag can manage it, used to carry more than that to 
Uni some years ago.

I'm sure I saw an option to run a usb keyboard on a Windows tablet, though 
didn't get to try it.

BobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rose Combs" <roseco...@q.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option 
and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is 
back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed 
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.  I 
once was very fast but now am not, especially on 
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a 
new company not by my choice, then ill, was 
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a 
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought me 
a mini after that and just before new announcements 
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and 
his was donated to a friend who spent months on a 
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up 
so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
carry.
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I 
could load it easier it would be my choice.

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard 
anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would 
not open the documents I will be sent.
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with 
complete confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 
9, choosing among apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I 
could borrow my husban

RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

Is there an accessible player that one could load that would allow the use of a 
foot pedal for start/stop.  Had one about 10 years ago, unable to find after 
husband passed last year and everybody seemed to decide that I did not need or 
did need said products.  That program was in his desk so it was probably tossed 
or sold without asking me.  Thought the program was on old laptop but it isn't. 
 I won't record if I have to keep reaching over with a hand to stop and start 
the machine, more than 39 years of having the ability to control without taking 
hands off the keyboard is too ingrained, only time I will do that is if it is a 
phone number or something about that same length.  
I know, I am a curmudgeon on some issues, but I won't waste my time being 
frustrated trying to do something that I should be able to do in a timely 
fashion.  
I have two foot pedals just not the software to do what I would need.  Cost 
should be moderate since it would be for my personal use, not a company.  Even 
my old cassette machine seems to be lost or has been removed.  Not that I 
currently have a tape player that would record.  
Frustrated, because a few years ago this would have been a piece of cake, no 
anticipated problems then.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sherrie
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 5:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I think if I had to take notes I would record the meeting and then 
transcribe it later at home.  I have List Recorder and like it.
Just a thought.
Sherrie


-Original Message- 
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

This is my point, a regular usb keyboard, and it is still on about the most 
efficient way to type freely as secretary at a meeting.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made 
this off topic.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an 
option and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard 
is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, 
very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control 
panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less. 
I once was very fast but now am not, especially on
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning 
to a new company not by my choice, then ill, was
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought 
me a mini after that and just before new announcements
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere 
and his was donated to a friend who spent months on a
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it 
up so it could talk for him after my husband passed a
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which 

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[christopher hallsworth]

Probably because you can actually use the touchpad or trackpad in Apple 
terminology to interact with the Mac using VoiceOver with gestures familiar to 
those on iOS with a few exclusive ones.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 03:22, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well someone on another list just told me that you cannot turn off the 
> touchpad on a MacBook. That is disgusting.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 6:39 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Rose,
>> Try Function F5.  That is how both my Work Del and my home Toshiba now turn 
>> off the touch pad.
>> I find I often have to turn it off again after rebooting, but at least I can 
>> turn it off.
>> 
>> I hope that works.  I hate touchpads.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Rose Combs
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>> 
>> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
>> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  
>> However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am 
>> constantly hitting the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who 
>> knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and 
>> I keep resting the palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba 
>> my husband had, very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
>> seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control 
>> panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.  
>> 
>> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
>> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought 
>> the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in the 
>> past nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe 
>> a couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
>> especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to 
>> this instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
>> minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning 
>> to a new company not by my choice, then ill, was terminated and am now 
>> retired earlier than I wished to be.  
>> 
>> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
>> roseco...@q.com 
>> 
>> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
>> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it but, 
>> probably will need something I can use where others can see what is 
>> happening is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is 
>> wifi only and bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 as 
>> a present after I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him 
>> not me.  He bought me a mini after that and just before new announcements 
>> were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere 
>> and his was donated to a friend who spent months on a ventilator unable to 
>> talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up so it could talk 
>> for him after my husband passed a year ago in the spring.  
>> So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
>> Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to carry.  
>> My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, 
>> and if I could get it to connect to my home network so I could load it 
>> easier it would be my choice.  
>> 
>> I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
>> card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard anyway.  However, 
>> makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would not open the 
>> documents I will be sent.  
>> Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
>> longer friendly.  
>> 
>> Rose Combs
>> roseco...@q.com
>> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
>> memory!
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar

RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

It is a Lenovo, so far we have tried about every key combo we can think of with 
no go.  Typing on it is difficult because of position also.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Rose,
Try Function F5.  That is how both my Work Del and my home Toshiba now turn off 
the touch pad.
I find I often have to turn it off again after rebooting, but at least I can 
turn it off.

I hope that works.  I hate touchpads.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  However, 
if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am constantly hitting 
the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how 
far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the palm of 
either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very old, I 
could turn that off with function key 9, can't seem to do it on the Lenovo with 
any key, not even through the control panel, maybe it can be done, but so far 
not by me.  

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought the 
device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in the past 
nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a 
couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this 
instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus minimally thus 
far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a new company 
not by my choice, then ill, was terminated and am now retired earlier than I 
wished to be.  

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com 

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it but, 
probably will need something I can use where others can see what is happening 
is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and 
bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 as a present after 
I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought 
me a mini after that and just before new announcements were made.  First gen so 
although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and his was donated to a 
friend who spent months on a ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally 
with it.  I helped set it up so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.  
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to carry.  
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I could load it easier it 
would be my choice.  

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard anyway.  However, 
makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would not open the 
documents I will be sent.  
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.  

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete confidence and 
competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among apps 
such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my husbands 
11 inch MacBook air, with which I am not that familiar, and use something like 
text at it. Neither prospect is exciting. I'm looking for something that is 
going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool and screwing up

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Ps:  you can get small footprint usb keyboards too, with quality mechanisms 
like the original IBM and Mackintosh keyboards of old.
Cherry and Matias still do them.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made this 
off topic.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option 
and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is 
back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed 
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.  I 
once was very fast but now am not, especially on 
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a 
new company not by my choice, then ill, was 
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a 
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought me 
a mini after that and just before new announcements 
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and 
his was donated to a friend who spent months on a 
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up 
so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
carry.
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I 
could load it easier it would be my choice.

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard 
anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would 
not open the documents I will be sent.
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with 
complete confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 
9, choosing among apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I 
could borrow my husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with 
which I am not that familiar, and use something like text at it. Neither 
prospect is exciting. I'm looking for something that is 
going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool and screwing up their 
minutes. What do people think would be the easiest 
thing to do the most foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the 
Bluetooth bug that wipes out my iPad? Most about using the 
MacBook is hitting that darned oversized touchpad and ending up somewhere

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Blessedly, you can use bluetooth or usb keyboards on netbooks.  The last one I 
had, I always plugged a usb keyboard into it as I 
hate netbook keyboards from the start. Not such a portable option, but one good 
bag can manage it, used to carry more than that to 
Uni some years ago.

I'm sure I saw an option to run a usb keyboard on a Windows tablet, though 
didn't get to try it.

BobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rose Combs" <roseco...@q.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option 
and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is 
back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed 
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.  I 
once was very fast but now am not, especially on 
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a 
new company not by my choice, then ill, was 
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a 
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought me 
a mini after that and just before new announcements 
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and 
his was donated to a friend who spent months on a 
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up 
so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
carry.
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I 
could load it easier it would be my choice.

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard 
anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would 
not open the documents I will be sent.
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with 
complete confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 
9, choosing among apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I 
could borrow my husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with 
which I am not that familiar, and use something like text at it. Neither 
prospect is exciting. I'm looking for something that is 
going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool and screwing up their 
minutes. What do people think would be the easiest 
thing to do the most foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the 
Bluetooth bug that wipes out my iPad? Most about using the 
MacBook is hitting that darned oversized touchpad and ending up somewhere where 
I really don't want to be and not having a clue how 
to get back where I need to be in the text writing app.
Mar

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

This is my point, a regular usb keyboard, and it is still on about the most 
efficient way to type freely as secretary at a meeting.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made this 
off topic.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option 
and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is 
back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed 
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.  I 
once was very fast but now am not, especially on 
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a 
new company not by my choice, then ill, was 
terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a 
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought me 
a mini after that and just before new announcements 
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and 
his was donated to a friend who spent months on a 
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up 
so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
carry.
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I 
could load it easier it would be my choice.

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard 
anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would 
not open the documents I will be sent.
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with 
complete confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 
9, choosing among apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I 
could borrow my husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with 
which I am not that familiar, and use something like text at it. Neither 
prospect is exciting. I'm looking for something that is 
going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool and screwing up their 
minutes. What do people think would be the easiest 
thing to do the most foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the 
Bluetooth bug that wipes out my iPad? Most about using the 
MacBook is hitting that darned oversized touchpad and ending up somewhere where 
I really don't wan

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Would you believe I have a full size 102 key bluetooth keyboard with terraced 
rows of keys with quite a long clicky travel.  Love 
the feel of it, but dubious portability, though it does fold in half TG and 
goes in a cloth pouch.

BobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" <richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 3:25 AM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


Another reason not to have a Macbook, or to have to use a USB keyboard, which 
defeats the idea of having the portability.  Isn't 
technology fun?

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Well someone on another list just told me that you cannot turn off the touchpad 
on a MacBook. That is disgusting.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 6:39 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Rose,
> Try Function F5.  That is how both my Work Del and my home Toshiba now turn 
> off the touch pad.
> I find I often have to turn it off again after rebooting, but at least I can 
> turn it off.
>
> I hope that works.  I hate touchpads.
>
> Richard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rose Combs
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>
> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a 
> wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an 
> option and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a 
> Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard 
> is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the 
> palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very 
> old, I could turn that off with function key 9, 
> can't seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control 
> panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.
>
> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last 
> spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
> wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have 
> typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or 
> less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
> especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to 
> this instead of other things to make it work for me, I 
> use the Focus minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, 
> transitioning to a new company not by my choice, then 
> ill, was terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.
>
> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at
> roseco...@q.com
>
> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for 
> years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
> see what is happening is the reason I was asked about 
> a laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
> cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I 
> taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought 
> me a mini after that and just before new 
> announcements were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't 
> going anywhere and his was donated to a friend who 
> spent months on a ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  
> I helped set it up so it could talk for him after my 
> husband passed a year ago in the spring.
> So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
> Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to 
> carry.
> My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, 
> and if I could get it to connect to my home network so 
> I could load it easier it would be my choice.
>
> I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
> card these days.  Never truly worked well in that 
> regard anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and 
> probably would not open the documents I will be sent.
> Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
> longer friendly.
>
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
>

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Wayne Merritt]

For what it's worth, you can disable the trackpad on a MacBook by
holding the VO keys (Control and Option) and then turning two fingers
in the rodar gesture toward the left on the trackpad or counter
clockwise. This will disable the trackpad and prevent your focus from
jumping around if you touch the touchpad. The first few times I used
Text Edit on my MacBook Pro, I turned off the trackpad using this
gesture. I ran into the same issue you had with the trackpad. I
haven't had to type for a long period on the MacBook yet, but I do
like its keyboard and can see myself using it several hours at a
stretch.

Wayne

On 9/22/15, Sherrie <nanagoose4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think if I had to take notes I would record the meeting and then
> transcribe it later at home.  I have List Recorder and like it.
> Just a thought.
> Sherrie
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>
> This is my point, a regular usb keyboard, and it is still on about the most
>
> efficient way to type freely as secretary at a meeting.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>
>
> What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made
> this off topic.
>
> Neal
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Rose Combs
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>
> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they
> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a
> wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an
> option and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a
> Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard
>
> is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the
> palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had,
> very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't
> seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control
> panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.
>
> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the
> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last
> spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me
> wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed
> 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.
>
> I once was very fast but now am not, especially on
> tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of
>
> other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus
> minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning
> to a new company not by my choice, then ill, was
> terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.
>
> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at
> roseco...@q.com
>
> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys
> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for
> years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can
>
> see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a
> laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its
>
> cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I
> taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought
>
> me a mini after that and just before new announcements
> were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere
>
> and his was donated to a friend who spent months on a
> ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it
> up so it could talk for him after my husband passed a
> year ago in the spring.
> So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via
> Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to
> carry.
> My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing,
>
> and if I could get it to connect to my home network so I
> could load it easier it would be my choice.
>
> I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network
>
> card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard
> anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably
> would not open the documents I will be sent.
> Long story as to why I

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Mary Otten]

Wayne,
Doesn't that disable trackpad commander, a voice over feature? Not the trackpad 
itself.
Mary 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 6:24 AM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For what it's worth, you can disable the trackpad on a MacBook by
> holding the VO keys (Control and Option) and then turning two fingers
> in the rodar gesture toward the left on the trackpad or counter
> clockwise. This will disable the trackpad and prevent your focus from
> jumping around if you touch the touchpad. The first few times I used
> Text Edit on my MacBook Pro, I turned off the trackpad using this
> gesture. I ran into the same issue you had with the trackpad. I
> haven't had to type for a long period on the MacBook yet, but I do
> like its keyboard and can see myself using it several hours at a
> stretch.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 9/22/15, Sherrie <nanagoose4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think if I had to take notes I would record the meeting and then
>> transcribe it later at home.  I have List Recorder and like it.
>> Just a thought.
>> Sherrie
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:02 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>> 
>> This is my point, a regular usb keyboard, and it is still on about the most
>> 
>> efficient way to type freely as secretary at a meeting.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
>> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>> 
>> 
>> What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made
>> this off topic.
>> 
>> Neal
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Rose Combs
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>> 
>> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they
>> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a
>> wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an
>> option and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a
>> Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard
>> 
>> is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the
>> palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had,
>> very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't
>> seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control
>> panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.
>> 
>> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the
>> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last
>> spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me
>> wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed
>> 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less.
>> 
>> I once was very fast but now am not, especially on
>> tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of
>> 
>> other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus
>> minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning
>> to a new company not by my choice, then ill, was
>> terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.
>> 
>> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at
>> roseco...@q.com
>> 
>> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys
>> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for
>> years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can
>> 
>> see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a
>> laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its
>> 
>> cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I
>> taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought
>> 
>> me a mini after that and just before new announcements
>> were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere
>> 
>> and his was donated to a friend who spent months on a
>> ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it
>> up so it could talk for him after my husband passed a
>> year ago in the spring.
>> So choice no

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Mary Otten]

If you connect a mouse or magic trackpad, you can turn the touchpad off. But if 
you just want to get rid of the damn thing, no joy.
Mary

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 11:19 PM, christopher hallsworth 
> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Probably because you can actually use the touchpad or trackpad in Apple 
> terminology to interact with the Mac using VoiceOver with gestures familiar 
> to those on iOS with a few exclusive ones.
>> On 22 Sep 2015, at 03:22, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well someone on another list just told me that you cannot turn off the 
>> touchpad on a MacBook. That is disgusting.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 6:39 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Rose,
>>> Try Function F5.  That is how both my Work Del and my home Toshiba now turn 
>>> off the touch pad.
>>> I find I often have to turn it off again after rebooting, but at least I 
>>> can turn it off.
>>> 
>>> I hope that works.  I hate touchpads.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Rose Combs
>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:22 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>>> 
>>> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
>>> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  
>>> However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am 
>>> constantly hitting the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who 
>>> knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and 
>>> I keep resting the palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba 
>>> my husband had, very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
>>> seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control 
>>> panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.  
>>> 
>>> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
>>> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought 
>>> the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in 
>>> the past nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just 
>>> maybe a couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am 
>>> not, especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote 
>>> time to this instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the 
>>> Focus minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, 
>>> transitioning to a new company not by my choice, then ill, was terminated 
>>> and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.  
>>> 
>>> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
>>> roseco...@q.com 
>>> 
>>> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
>>> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it 
>>> but, probably will need something I can use where others can see what is 
>>> happening is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is 
>>> wifi only and bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 
>>> as a present after I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for 
>>> him not me.  He bought me a mini after that and just before new 
>>> announcements were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't 
>>> going anywhere and his was donated to a friend who spent months on a 
>>> ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it 
>>> up so it could talk for him after my husband passed a year ago in the 
>>> spring.  
>>> So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
>>> Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to carry.  
>>> My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, 
>>> and if I could get it to connect to my home network so I could load it 
>>> easier it would be my choice.  
>>> 
>>> I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
>>> card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard anyway.  However, 
>>> makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably wo

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Mary Otten]

Well, I guess I'll have to borrow my husband's MacBook and see. That would 
certainly be different from the behavior I experience on my Mac Mini if I touch 
my trackpad, a magic trackpad, with voiceover running. Focus can move all over 
the place.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 7:01 AM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That's true, it does disable trackpad commander. If VoiceOver is
> running though, and trackpad commander is turned off, I don't think
> that anything would happen with the focus of the VoiceOver cursor. I
> may be wrong. I am a fairly new Mac user but in my limited experience,
> if trackpad commander was off then my focus did not jump around if I
> touch the trackpad while typing.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 9/22/15, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wayne,
>> Doesn't that disable trackpad commander, a voice over feature? Not the
>> trackpad itself.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 6:24 AM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> For what it's worth, you can disable the trackpad on a MacBook by
>>> holding the VO keys (Control and Option) and then turning two fingers
>>> in the rodar gesture toward the left on the trackpad or counter
>>> clockwise. This will disable the trackpad and prevent your focus from
>>> jumping around if you touch the touchpad. The first few times I used
>>> Text Edit on my MacBook Pro, I turned off the trackpad using this
>>> gesture. I ran into the same issue you had with the trackpad. I
>>> haven't had to type for a long period on the MacBook yet, but I do
>>> like its keyboard and can see myself using it several hours at a
>>> stretch.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
>>>> On 9/22/15, Sherrie <nanagoose4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I think if I had to take notes I would record the meeting and then
>>>> transcribe it later at home.  I have List Recorder and like it.
>>>> Just a thought.
>>>> Sherrie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:02 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>>>> 
>>>> This is my point, a regular usb keyboard, and it is still on about the
>>>> most
>>>> 
>>>> efficient way to type freely as secretary at a meeting.
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made
>>>> this off topic.
>>>> 
>>>> Neal
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Rose Combs
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>>>> 
>>>> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they
>>>> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a
>>>> wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an
>>>> option and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a
>>>> Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the
>>>> keyboard
>>>> 
>>>> is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the
>>>> palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had,
>>>> very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't
>>>> seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control
>>>> panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn
>>>> the
>>>> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last
>>>> spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get
>>>> me
>>>> wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed
>>>> 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or
>&

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Wayne Merritt]

That's true, it does disable trackpad commander. If VoiceOver is
running though, and trackpad commander is turned off, I don't think
that anything would happen with the focus of the VoiceOver cursor. I
may be wrong. I am a fairly new Mac user but in my limited experience,
if trackpad commander was off then my focus did not jump around if I
touch the trackpad while typing.

Wayne

On 9/22/15, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wayne,
> Doesn't that disable trackpad commander, a voice over feature? Not the
> trackpad itself.
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 6:24 AM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> For what it's worth, you can disable the trackpad on a MacBook by
>> holding the VO keys (Control and Option) and then turning two fingers
>> in the rodar gesture toward the left on the trackpad or counter
>> clockwise. This will disable the trackpad and prevent your focus from
>> jumping around if you touch the touchpad. The first few times I used
>> Text Edit on my MacBook Pro, I turned off the trackpad using this
>> gesture. I ran into the same issue you had with the trackpad. I
>> haven't had to type for a long period on the MacBook yet, but I do
>> like its keyboard and can see myself using it several hours at a
>> stretch.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>> On 9/22/15, Sherrie <nanagoose4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think if I had to take notes I would record the meeting and then
>>> transcribe it later at home.  I have List Recorder and like it.
>>> Just a thought.
>>> Sherrie
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:02 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>>>
>>> This is my point, a regular usb keyboard, and it is still on about the
>>> most
>>>
>>> efficient way to type freely as secretary at a meeting.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>>>
>>>
>>> What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made
>>> this off topic.
>>>
>>> Neal
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Rose Combs
>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>>>
>>> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they
>>> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a
>>> wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an
>>> option and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a
>>> Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the
>>> keyboard
>>>
>>> is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the
>>> palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had,
>>> very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't
>>> seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control
>>> panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.
>>>
>>> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn
>>> the
>>> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last
>>> spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get
>>> me
>>> wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed
>>> 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or
>>> less.
>>>
>>> I once was very fast but now am not, especially on
>>> tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead
>>> of
>>>
>>> other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus
>>> minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring,
>>> transitioning
>>> to a new company not by my choice, then ill, was
>>> terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.
>>>
>>> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at
>>> roseco...@q.com
>>>
>>> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little
>>> keys
>>> are 

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Sherrie]

I think if I had to take notes I would record the meeting and then 
transcribe it later at home.  I have List Recorder and like it.

Just a thought.
Sherrie


-Original Message- 
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone

Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

This is my point, a regular usb keyboard, and it is still on about the most 
efficient way to type freely as secretary at a meeting.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made 
this off topic.


Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Rose Combs

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a
wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an 
option and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a
Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the keyboard 
is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the
palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, 
very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't
seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control 
panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.


I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last
spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me 
wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed
8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or less. 
I once was very fast but now am not, especially on
tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead of 
other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus
minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning 
to a new company not by my choice, then ill, was

terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com


I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for
years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others can 
see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a
laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of its 
cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I
taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought 
me a mini after that and just before new announcements
were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere 
and his was donated to a friend who spent months on a
ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it 
up so it could talk for him after my husband passed a

year ago in the spring.
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to

carry.
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, 
and if I could get it to connect to my home network so I

could load it easier it would be my choice.

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard
anyway.  However, makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably 
would not open the documents I will be sent.
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
memory!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming 
meeting. I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with
complete confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone 
and buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard 
and pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS
9, choosing among apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I 
could borrow my husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with
which I am not that familiar, and use something like text at it. Neither 
prospect is exciting. I'm looking for something that is
going to be reliable and foolproof.

RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Richard Turner]

Rose,
Try Function F5.  That is how both my Work Del and my home Toshiba now turn off 
the touch pad.
I find I often have to turn it off again after rebooting, but at least I can 
turn it off.

I hope that works.  I hate touchpads.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  However, 
if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am constantly hitting 
the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how 
far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the palm of 
either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very old, I 
could turn that off with function key 9, can't seem to do it on the Lenovo with 
any key, not even through the control panel, maybe it can be done, but so far 
not by me.  

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought the 
device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in the past 
nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a 
couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this 
instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus minimally thus 
far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a new company 
not by my choice, then ill, was terminated and am now retired earlier than I 
wished to be.  

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com 

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it but, 
probably will need something I can use where others can see what is happening 
is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and 
bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 as a present after 
I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought 
me a mini after that and just before new announcements were made.  First gen so 
although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and his was donated to a 
friend who spent months on a ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally 
with it.  I helped set it up so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.  
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to carry.  
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I could load it easier it 
would be my choice.  

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard anyway.  However, 
makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would not open the 
documents I will be sent.  
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.  

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete confidence and 
competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among apps 
such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my husbands 
11 inch MacBook air, with which I am not that familiar, and use something like 
text at it. Neither prospect is exciting. I'm looking for something that is 
going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool and screwing up their 
minutes. What do people think would be the easiest thing to do the most 
foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the Bluetooth bug that wipes out 
my iPad? Most about using the MacBook is hitting that darned oversized touchpad 
and ending up somewhere where I really don't want to be and not having a clue 
how to get back where I need to be in the text writing app.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

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The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list.

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Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Mary Otten]

Well someone on another list just told me that you cannot turn off the touchpad 
on a MacBook. That is disgusting.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 6:39 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Rose,
> Try Function F5.  That is how both my Work Del and my home Toshiba now turn 
> off the touch pad.
> I find I often have to turn it off again after rebooting, but at least I can 
> turn it off.
> 
> I hope that works.  I hate touchpads.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rose Combs
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
> 
> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  
> However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am 
> constantly hitting the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who 
> knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and I 
> keep resting the palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my 
> husband had, very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't seem 
> to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
> maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.  
> 
> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought the 
> device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in the past 
> nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a 
> couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
> especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to 
> this instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
> minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to 
> a new company not by my choice, then ill, was terminated and am now retired 
> earlier than I wished to be.  
> 
> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
> roseco...@q.com 
> 
> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it but, 
> probably will need something I can use where others can see what is happening 
> is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only 
> and bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 as a present 
> after I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He 
> bought me a mini after that and just before new announcements were made.  
> First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and his was 
> donated to a friend who spent months on a ventilator unable to talk but very 
> much mentally with it.  I helped set it up so it could talk for him after my 
> husband passed a year ago in the spring.  
> So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
> Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to carry.  
> My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, 
> and if I could get it to connect to my home network so I could load it easier 
> it would be my choice.  
> 
> I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
> card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard anyway.  However, 
> makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would not open the 
> documents I will be sent.  
> Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
> longer friendly.  
> 
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
> 
> I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming 
> meeting. I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete confidence 
> and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and buried.
> At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
> pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among apps 
> such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my 
> husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with which I am not that familiar,

RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

I have a fairly new Perkins as my old one finally stopped working and my late 
husband did not want to send it for repairs so bought another.  Can't believe 
how hard I have to punch the keys on the new one to get letters to show up on 
paper.  Since he passed I can't even find the older one to send for repair, 
besides last time it was cleaned and repaired it never worked quite right 
again.  Still I dislike feeling like I need hammers to write braille.  
The Focus 14 has such small keys that I am even slower than slow when I manage 
to get it where I can actually write with it.  
Considering I have spent my life doing secretarial work, taking minutes, typing 
reports it is driving me crazy now that I am forced into retirement that I 
can't find an easy fast way to do something everyone including me thinks should 
be a snap for me.  
I'd use to mPower if I could get it to connect to anything.  Stupid codes with 
loads of numbers etc. are impossible for me to enter, remember or ever get 
right.  Besides, some of what I need to do is PDF and the mPower does not do 
that either.  It is wonderful for putting books on, writing account numbers and 
such on, but it is a nightmare to connect to anything at all these days.  I am 
not even sure of the network card I have works, last time I tried to connect it 
at the hospital where it had connected in the past it refused to work.  

I don't want a notetaker with a qwerty keyboard, however, since the ones I have 
seen are off a little and for a touch typist that is not nice.  
I truly need regular size keys with a bit of travel to be comfortable typing 
after 35 years or so of computer work.  
 

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I appreciate all the feedback. I just got more info on this little job they 
want me to do, and it may be something I can do. They look like they're using 
some kind of template that they have already formatted in the DOC X format. I 
have never felt particularly comfortable with templates. And I don't think Doc 
X and text edit like each other in that I don't think you can actually type a 
DOC X thing in TextEdit, can you? So they may be looking for another person. I 
used to just take minutes free hand so to speak, with no template. Just format 
it nicely afterwards. Oh well. And Rose, I feel your pain about the braille. I 
love the Perkins Brailer writer. But I am a much better typist than braillist 
these days.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
> 
> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  
> However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am 
> constantly hitting the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who 
> knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and I 
> keep resting the palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my 
> husband had, very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't seem 
> to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
> maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.  
> 
> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought the 
> device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in the past 
> nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a 
> couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
> especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to 
> this instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
> minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to 
> a new company not by my choice, then ill, was terminated and am now retired 
> earlier than I wished to be.  
> 
> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
> roseco...@q.com 
> 
> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it but, 
> probably will need something I can use where others can see what is happening 
> is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only 
> and bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 as a present 
> after I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He 
> bought me a mini after that and just before new announcements were mad

RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

Well Word would be fine with me but, input into any iDevice without a real 
keyboard with keys of the right size is my huge problem.  Even the Apple 
keyboard I have, Bluetooth, was difficult for me to build up speed on because 
the keys were flat, very little travel.  I spent an inordinate amount of time 
on the 4S making corrections or totally retyping.  One reason I dislike any 
laptop lately is the keyboard is too flat, too far away and the mouse pad is in 
the way of a touch typist who normally can type with speed.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Hunt
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Simply use Microsoft Word for IOS. It's accessible and works well.

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I appreciate all the feedback. I just got more info on this little job they 
> want me to do, and it may be something I can do. They look like they're using 
> some kind of template that they have already formatted in the DOC X format. I 
> have never felt particularly comfortable with templates. And I don't think 
> Doc X and text edit like each other in that I don't think you can actually 
> type a DOC X thing in TextEdit, can you? So they may be looking for another 
> person. I used to just take minutes free hand so to speak, with no template. 
> Just format it nicely afterwards. Oh well. And Rose, I feel your pain about 
> the braille. I love the Perkins Brailer writer. But I am a much better typist 
> than braillist these days.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
>> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  
>> However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am 
>> constantly hitting the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who 
>> knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and 
>> I keep resting the palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba 
>> my husband had, very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
>> seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control 
>> panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.  
>> 
>> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
>> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought 
>> the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in the 
>> past nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe 
>> a couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
>> especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to 
>> this instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
>> minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning 
>> to a new company not by my choice, then ill, was terminated and am now 
>> retired earlier than I wished to be.  
>> 
>> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
>> roseco...@q.com 
>> 
>> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
>> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it but, 
>> probably will need something I can use where others can see what is 
>> happening is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is 
>> wifi only and bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 as 
>> a present after I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him 
>> not me.  He bought me a mini after that and just before new announcements 
>> were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere 
>> and his was donated to a friend who spent months on a ventilator unable to 
>> talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up so it could talk 
>> for him after my husband passed a year ago in the spring.  
>> So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
>> Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to carry.  
>> My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, 
>> and if I could get it to connect to my home network so I could load it 
>> easier it would be my choice.  
>> 
>> I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 

RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Richard Turner]

Another reason not to have a Macbook, or to have to use a USB keyboard, which 
defeats the idea of having the portability.  Isn't technology fun?

Richard
 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

Well someone on another list just told me that you cannot turn off the touchpad 
on a MacBook. That is disgusting.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 6:39 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Rose,
> Try Function F5.  That is how both my Work Del and my home Toshiba now turn 
> off the touch pad.
> I find I often have to turn it off again after rebooting, but at least I can 
> turn it off.
> 
> I hope that works.  I hate touchpads.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rose Combs
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
> 
> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  
> However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am 
> constantly hitting the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who 
> knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and I 
> keep resting the palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my 
> husband had, very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't seem 
> to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
> maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.  
> 
> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought the 
> device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in the past 
> nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a 
> couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
> especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to 
> this instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
> minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to 
> a new company not by my choice, then ill, was terminated and am now retired 
> earlier than I wished to be.  
> 
> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
> roseco...@q.com 
> 
> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it but, 
> probably will need something I can use where others can see what is happening 
> is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only 
> and bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 as a present 
> after I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He 
> bought me a mini after that and just before new announcements were made.  
> First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and his was 
> donated to a friend who spent months on a ventilator unable to talk but very 
> much mentally with it.  I helped set it up so it could talk for him after my 
> husband passed a year ago in the spring.  
> So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
> Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to carry.  
> My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, 
> and if I could get it to connect to my home network so I could load it easier 
> it would be my choice.  
> 
> I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
> card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard anyway.  However, 
> makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would not open the 
> documents I will be sent.  
> Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
> longer friendly.  
> 
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
> 
> I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming 
> meeting. I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete 

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Paul Hunt]

Simply use Microsoft Word for IOS. It's accessible and works well.

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I appreciate all the feedback. I just got more info on this little job they 
> want me to do, and it may be something I can do. They look like they're using 
> some kind of template that they have already formatted in the DOC X format. I 
> have never felt particularly comfortable with templates. And I don't think 
> Doc X and text edit like each other in that I don't think you can actually 
> type a DOC X thing in TextEdit, can you? So they may be looking for another 
> person. I used to just take minutes free hand so to speak, with no template. 
> Just format it nicely afterwards. Oh well. And Rose, I feel your pain about 
> the braille. I love the Perkins Brailer writer. But I am a much better typist 
> than braillist these days.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:
>> 
>> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
>> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  
>> However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am 
>> constantly hitting the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who 
>> knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and 
>> I keep resting the palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba 
>> my husband had, very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
>> seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control 
>> panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.  
>> 
>> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
>> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought 
>> the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in the 
>> past nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe 
>> a couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
>> especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to 
>> this instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
>> minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning 
>> to a new company not by my choice, then ill, was terminated and am now 
>> retired earlier than I wished to be.  
>> 
>> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
>> roseco...@q.com 
>> 
>> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
>> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it but, 
>> probably will need something I can use where others can see what is 
>> happening is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is 
>> wifi only and bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 as 
>> a present after I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him 
>> not me.  He bought me a mini after that and just before new announcements 
>> were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere 
>> and his was donated to a friend who spent months on a ventilator unable to 
>> talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up so it could talk 
>> for him after my husband passed a year ago in the spring.  
>> So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
>> Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to carry.  
>> My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, 
>> and if I could get it to connect to my home network so I could load it 
>> easier it would be my choice.  
>> 
>> I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
>> card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard anyway.  However, 
>> makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would not open the 
>> documents I will be sent.  
>> Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
>> longer friendly.  
>> 
>> Rose Combs
>> roseco...@q.com
>> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
>> memory!
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>> 
>> I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming 
>> meeting. I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete 
>> confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
>> buried.
>> At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard 
>> and pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among 
>> apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my 
>> husbands 11 inch MacBook 

Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Me:  I would get another cheap Windows netbook and use Notepad like I've done 
for years.

Tarting up the text inMS apps after if needed, but Notepad does the basic,  
record what you write and so easy to click a button to 
save your effort so far.  The old ways used to be pretty efficient like this.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 
To: ; 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:06 PM
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?


I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with 
complete confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 
9, choosing among apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I 
could borrow my husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with 
which I am not that familiar, and use something like text at it. Neither 
prospect is exciting. I'm looking for something that is 
going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool and screwing up their 
minutes. What do people think would be the easiest 
thing to do the most foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the 
Bluetooth bug that wipes out my iPad? Most about using the 
MacBook is hitting that darned oversized touchpad and ending up somewhere where 
I really don't want to be and not having a clue how 
to get back where I need to be in the text writing app.
Mary

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Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Richard Turner]

mary,
If you find the bluetooth keyboard is working, I'd use Voice Dream Writer since 
once you start, the text is automatically saved, so if you mess up, you can 
hopefully fix it later, since it won't just disappear on you.
This all depends on being comfortable with the app and keyboard within that app.
The next best option to me is borrowing the Mac air and finding out how to turn 
off the touchpad.
I can't remember the command, but I think it is rather easy.
In fact, if you can turn it off, that might be the first choice.
Richard


> On Sep 21, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming 
> meeting. I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete confidence 
> and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and buried.
> At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
> pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among apps 
> such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my 
> husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with which I am not that familiar, and use 
> something like text at it. Neither prospect is exciting. I'm looking for 
> something that is going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool 
> and screwing up their minutes. What do people think would be the easiest 
> thing to do the most foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the 
> Bluetooth bug that wipes out my iPad? Most about using the MacBook is hitting 
> that darned oversized touchpad and ending up somewhere where I really don't 
> want to be and not having a clue how to get back where I need to be in the 
> text writing app.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Neal Ewers]

What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made this 
off topic.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  However, 
if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am constantly hitting 
the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how 
far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the palm of 
either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very old, I 
could turn that off with function key 9, can't seem to do it on the Lenovo with 
any key, not even through the control panel, maybe it can be done, but so far 
not by me.  

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought the 
device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in the past 
nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a 
couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this 
instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus minimally thus 
far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a new company 
not by my choice, then ill, was terminated and am now retired earlier than I 
wished to be.  

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com 

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it but, 
probably will need something I can use where others can see what is happening 
is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and 
bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 as a present after 
I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought 
me a mini after that and just before new announcements were made.  First gen so 
although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and his was donated to a 
friend who spent months on a ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally 
with it.  I helped set it up so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.  
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to carry.  
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I could load it easier it 
would be my choice.  

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard anyway.  However, 
makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would not open the 
documents I will be sent.  
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.  

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete confidence and 
competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among apps 
such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my husbands 
11 inch MacBook air, with which I am not that familiar, and use something like 
text at it. Neither prospect is exciting. I'm looking for something that is 
going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool and screwing up their 
minutes. What do people think would be the easiest thing to do the most 
foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the Bluetooth bug that wipes out 
my iPad? Most about using the MacBook is hitting that darned oversized touchpad 
and ending up somewhere where I really don't want to be and not having a clue 
how to get back where I need to be in the text writing app.
Mary

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RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Rose Combs]

I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they asked 
if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  However, 
if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am constantly hitting 
the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how 
far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the palm of 
either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had, very old, I 
could turn that off with function key 9, can't seem to do it on the Lenovo with 
any key, not even through the control panel, maybe it can be done, but so far 
not by me.  

I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought the 
device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in the past 
nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a 
couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this 
instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus minimally thus 
far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to a new company 
not by my choice, then ill, was terminated and am now retired earlier than I 
wished to be.  

Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
roseco...@q.com 

I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys are 
going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it but, 
probably will need something I can use where others can see what is happening 
is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and 
bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 as a present after 
I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He bought 
me a mini after that and just before new announcements were made.  First gen so 
although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and his was donated to a 
friend who spent months on a ventilator unable to talk but very much mentally 
with it.  I helped set it up so it could talk for him after my husband passed a 
year ago in the spring.  
So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via Bluetooth, 
if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to carry.  
My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, and 
if I could get it to connect to my home network so I could load it easier it 
would be my choice.  

I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard anyway.  However, 
makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would not open the 
documents I will be sent.  
Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
longer friendly.  

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming meeting. 
I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete confidence and 
competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and buried.
At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among apps 
such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my husbands 
11 inch MacBook air, with which I am not that familiar, and use something like 
text at it. Neither prospect is exciting. I'm looking for something that is 
going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool and screwing up their 
minutes. What do people think would be the easiest thing to do the most 
foolproof thing? This is, assuming I don't get the Bluetooth bug that wipes out 
my iPad? Most about using the MacBook is hitting that darned oversized touchpad 
and ending up somewhere where I really don't want to be and not having a clue 
how to get back where I need to be in the text writing app.
Mary

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Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[Mary Otten]

I appreciate all the feedback. I just got more info on this little job they 
want me to do, and it may be something I can do. They look like they're using 
some kind of template that they have already formatted in the DOC X format. I 
have never felt particularly comfortable with templates. And I don't think Doc 
X and text edit like each other in that I don't think you can actually type a 
DOC X thing in TextEdit, can you? So they may be looking for another person. I 
used to just take minutes free hand so to speak, with no template. Just format 
it nicely afterwards. Oh well. And Rose, I feel your pain about the braille. I 
love the Perkins Brailer writer. But I am a much better typist than braillist 
these days.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:
> 
> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  
> However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am 
> constantly hitting the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who 
> knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and I 
> keep resting the palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my 
> husband had, very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't seem 
> to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control panel, 
> maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.  
> 
> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought the 
> device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in the past 
> nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a 
> couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
> especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to 
> this instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
> minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning to 
> a new company not by my choice, then ill, was terminated and am now retired 
> earlier than I wished to be.  
> 
> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
> roseco...@q.com 
> 
> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it but, 
> probably will need something I can use where others can see what is happening 
> is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only 
> and bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 as a present 
> after I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He 
> bought me a mini after that and just before new announcements were made.  
> First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere and his was 
> donated to a friend who spent months on a ventilator unable to talk but very 
> much mentally with it.  I helped set it up so it could talk for him after my 
> husband passed a year ago in the spring.  
> So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
> Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to carry.  
> My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, 
> and if I could get it to connect to my home network so I could load it easier 
> it would be my choice.  
> 
> I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
> card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard anyway.  However, 
> makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would not open the 
> documents I will be sent.  
> Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
> longer friendly.  
> 
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
> 
> I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming 
> meeting. I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete confidence 
> and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and buried.
> At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
> pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among apps 
> such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my 
> husbands 11 inch MacBook air, with which I am not that familiar, and use 
> something like text at it. Neither prospect is exciting. I'm looking for 
> something that is going to be reliable and foolproof. As in me being a fool 
> and screwing up their minutes. What