Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
huh, I am still using the old voiceover voice as far as I can tell. -Original Message- From: BBS Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 6:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates Actually, I like the new Voiceover features, including the fact that it now uses the Vocalizer Expressive voices that are found in NVDA. I even like the new Siri voices too. -- Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Using SamNet -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
If I remember correctly, the old IPod touch you did have to set up accessibility with ITunes. Call me lazy but I like that apple devices already come with accessibility, but I see your point, sighted people might not like it. - Original Message - From: Kevin Minor kmi...@windstream.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:42 AM Subject: RE: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates I personally don't have a problem with what Apple is doing, but I'm going to play devil's advocate. I think Apple shouldn't include accessibility as a standard feature with their iOs, because it takes up space that I could use for other items. If you want accessibility, you could hook up your iDevice to your computer and use iTunes to get it that way. I think it's wrong for Apple forcing us to get accessibility as a standard feature with our iDevices. As I said, I don't agree with the above logic, but I could see a sighted individual thinking this way. Oh, and while we're at it, Siri could also be seen as a feature that Apple shouldn't include because not everybody will want it or use it. I'm not sending this out to change minds, it's just a different way to look at things. I hope Apple always keeps accessibility as part of the iOs. Have a great day, and don't work too hard. GO CATS and GO BENGALS! Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY kmi...@windstream.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
Yes, those were the days my friend. The first iOs Device I had, the iPod Touch 4th generation, required setup via iTunes as it was running iOS 4.2 back then. Future iOS devices I owned, including the iPhoen 4 and now iPhone 4s, came with iOS 5, updated to 7, and iOS 7 respectively. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 22/10/2013 21:01, Troy Sullivan wrote: If I remember correctly, the old IPod touch you did have to set up accessibility with ITunes. Call me lazy but I like that apple devices already come with accessibility, but I see your point, sighted people might not like it. - Original Message - From: Kevin Minor kmi...@windstream.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:42 AM Subject: RE: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates I personally don't have a problem with what Apple is doing, but I'm going to play devil's advocate. I think Apple shouldn't include accessibility as a standard feature with their iOs, because it takes up space that I could use for other items. If you want accessibility, you could hook up your iDevice to your computer and use iTunes to get it that way. I think it's wrong for Apple forcing us to get accessibility as a standard feature with our iDevices. As I said, I don't agree with the above logic, but I could see a sighted individual thinking this way. Oh, and while we're at it, Siri could also be seen as a feature that Apple shouldn't include because not everybody will want it or use it. I'm not sending this out to change minds, it's just a different way to look at things. I hope Apple always keeps accessibility as part of the iOs. Have a great day, and don't work too hard. GO CATS and GO BENGALS! Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY kmi...@windstream.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
Hi gang, Maybe I'm missing something but, what does this have to do with Tim Cook being sued? Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sullivan Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates If I remember correctly, the old IPod touch you did have to set up accessibility with ITunes. Call me lazy but I like that apple devices already come with accessibility, but I see your point, sighted people might not like it. - Original Message - From: Kevin Minor kmi...@windstream.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:42 AM Subject: RE: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates I personally don't have a problem with what Apple is doing, but I'm going to play devil's advocate. I think Apple shouldn't include accessibility as a standard feature with their iOs, because it takes up space that I could use for other items. If you want accessibility, you could hook up your iDevice to your computer and use iTunes to get it that way. I think it's wrong for Apple forcing us to get accessibility as a standard feature with our iDevices. As I said, I don't agree with the above logic, but I could see a sighted individual thinking this way. Oh, and while we're at it, Siri could also be seen as a feature that Apple shouldn't include because not everybody will want it or use it. I'm not sending this out to change minds, it's just a different way to look at things. I hope Apple always keeps accessibility as part of the iOs. Have a great day, and don't work too hard. GO CATS and GO BENGALS! Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY kmi...@windstream.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
If you read down through the thread, you'll see that someone points out that accessibility takes up space, so they're making an analogy between that and the suit brought against Tim cook and Apple over the IOS 7 update taking up space on people's phone. don't trust my paraphrase, just read through the thread yourself to get a better understanding. On 10/22/2013 04:39 PM, Ron Pelletier wrote: Hi gang, Maybe I'm missing something but, what does this have to do with Tim Cook being sued? Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sullivan Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates If I remember correctly, the old IPod touch you did have to set up accessibility with ITunes. Call me lazy but I like that apple devices already come with accessibility, but I see your point, sighted people might not like it. - Original Message - From: Kevin Minor kmi...@windstream.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:42 AM Subject: RE: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates I personally don't have a problem with what Apple is doing, but I'm going to play devil's advocate. I think Apple shouldn't include accessibility as a standard feature with their iOs, because it takes up space that I could use for other items. If you want accessibility, you could hook up your iDevice to your computer and use iTunes to get it that way. I think it's wrong for Apple forcing us to get accessibility as a standard feature with our iDevices. As I said, I don't agree with the above logic, but I could see a sighted individual thinking this way. Oh, and while we're at it, Siri could also be seen as a feature that Apple shouldn't include because not everybody will want it or use it. I'm not sending this out to change minds, it's just a different way to look at things. I hope Apple always keeps accessibility as part of the iOs. Have a great day, and don't work too hard. GO CATS and GO BENGALS! Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY kmi...@windstream.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
If you read down through the thread, you'll see that someone points out that accessibility takes up space, so they're making an analogy between that and the suit brought against Tim cook and Apple over the IOS 7 update taking up space on people's phone. don't trust my paraphrase, just read through the thread yourself to get a better understanding. On 10/22/2013 04:39 PM, Ron Pelletier wrote: Hi gang, Maybe I'm missing something but, what does this have to do with Tim Cook being sued? Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sullivan Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates If I remember correctly, the old IPod touch you did have to set up accessibility with ITunes. Call me lazy but I like that apple devices already come with accessibility, but I see your point, sighted people might not like it. - Original Message - From: Kevin Minor kmi...@windstream.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:42 AM Subject: RE: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates I personally don't have a problem with what Apple is doing, but I'm going to play devil's advocate. I think Apple shouldn't include accessibility as a standard feature with their iOs, because it takes up space that I could use for other items. If you want accessibility, you could hook up your iDevice to your computer and use iTunes to get it that way. I think it's wrong for Apple forcing us to get accessibility as a standard feature with our iDevices. As I said, I don't agree with the above logic, but I could see a sighted individual thinking this way. Oh, and while we're at it, Siri could also be seen as a feature that Apple shouldn't include because not everybody will want it or use it. I'm not sending this out to change minds, it's just a different way to look at things. I hope Apple always keeps accessibility as part of the iOs. Have a great day, and don't work too hard. GO CATS and GO BENGALS! Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY kmi...@windstream.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
If you read down through the thread, you'll see that someone points out that accessibility takes up space, so they're making an analogy between that and the suit brought against Tim cook and Apple over the IOS 7 update taking up space on people's phone. don't trust my paraphrase, just read through the thread yourself to get a better understanding. On 10/22/2013 04:39 PM, Ron Pelletier wrote: Hi gang, Maybe I'm missing something but, what does this have to do with Tim Cook being sued? Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Sullivan Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates If I remember correctly, the old IPod touch you did have to set up accessibility with ITunes. Call me lazy but I like that apple devices already come with accessibility, but I see your point, sighted people might not like it. - Original Message - From: Kevin Minor kmi...@windstream.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:42 AM Subject: RE: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates I personally don't have a problem with what Apple is doing, but I'm going to play devil's advocate. I think Apple shouldn't include accessibility as a standard feature with their iOs, because it takes up space that I could use for other items. If you want accessibility, you could hook up your iDevice to your computer and use iTunes to get it that way. I think it's wrong for Apple forcing us to get accessibility as a standard feature with our iDevices. As I said, I don't agree with the above logic, but I could see a sighted individual thinking this way. Oh, and while we're at it, Siri could also be seen as a feature that Apple shouldn't include because not everybody will want it or use it. I'm not sending this out to change minds, it's just a different way to look at things. I hope Apple always keeps accessibility as part of the iOs. Have a great day, and don't work too hard. GO CATS and GO BENGALS! Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY kmi...@windstream.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
Chris!! The arguments You make are also very valid and make perfect sense! Thank you. I think I agree with you. Tim Cooks is in the clear! Vest wishes many blessings! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
Wow. I don't read the terms but it's sure common sense. And wow that's not very good about the Youtube app on Android using features without your explicit permission. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 21/10/2013 04:52, Paul Henrichsen wrote: If you read the agreement, you will notice that you agree that apple can download updates to your phone whenever they need to. And why is it you don't seem to mind microsoft downloading updates to your computer whether you want them or not? Isn't that a double standard? How many of you didn't ask for internet explorer nine or ten, but got it anyway? It amazes me the people who have nothing else in their lives to do other than to whine about something they agreed to. Thank goodness you don'w own an android and have the youtube app. In the agreement, you agree that they can turn on your camera or microphone any time they wish without your permission or consent. Perhaps instead of pressing the agree button, you should actually read the agreement. After all, why would anyone want the new voiceover features in IOS 7 anyway? On Oct 19, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chris. Well, I don't think that the only who has right to feel this issue of download the IOs without agreement is a violation is the people with iPhones or iDevices of 8 or 16 GB. What could happen if you use the property of Bill Gates to store your things, without his agreement? What could happen to you, if you place a car in the Bill gates parking lot, in his little home in Washington State? For sure he has a big parking lot, for sure he has a lot of properties. Now, because of that he should feel that you did is not a illegal action? For sure he will take legal actions against you. In the laws of United States, the property right is one of the fundamentals right in our constitution, and it is a right in the most countries on the world. What apple is doing, is using the resources of our devices, downloading bunches of data, storing it in the memory of our devices, without our agreement. No body can use your property without your agreement. More over, is no way to remove the data that apple stored in our devices, unless we install the operated system. Try to place a car in the Bill Gate parking lot, and keep it there until Bill Gates buy your car. Tell Bill Gates that you will not remove your car of his parking lot, until he pay you for that car, and tell me what happen. The law should be apply for every body, not just with the people who is not rich. The law is also for the people who is braking rights, not matter if they are apple, Bill Gates or Chris. So, the problem here is not if our iDevices are of 8 or 64Gb. The point here is that apple is violating a right of property, and not providing a solution for the people who doesn't want to install IOs what ever version they release. When I say it, I mean, not providing a way to remove the data stored in the iDevices. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:09 AM Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates Hope this goes well, but I still believe in the notion that one is not actually forced into the update; they are just forced to have it downloaded to their device and take, to some, a considerable amount of space on their device. I can understand this being an issue for 8 GB and 16 GB devices, but for the rest of you, deal with it and maybe you will install it in your own time. Remember, the update is only downloaded, not installed, to one's device, since one have to agree to the terms of conditions not once, but twice. If the update got installed automatically, then yes I would support the man suing Tim Cook. But not sure on this case. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 19/10/2013 06:57, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news outlets are reporting that a California man is taking Tim Cook to Small Claims Court over this issue. He's asking for $50 in compensation and for Apple to address the issue, so he's obviously not doing this to get rich. It will be very interesting to see where this goes. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com
Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates I think there are several issues with this. First, you're thinking of your iPhone as property. That may be true assuming you remove IOS from it and don't sign up for any other services on it. When you buy an iPhone you get IOS, you agree to it's terms and conditions and you participate in all of the services that come with the Apple ecosystem. Go into Settings - General - About - Legal - License and you'll see that you're licensing IOS and not buying it. You'll also see that IOS software includes updates and that it includes space taken up on all media. You'll also see that you have the right to return your iPhone within a certain period if you don't agree with the terms and conditions of this license. You say that Apple is using your resources and your property without your permission. I think by agreeing to the license when you installed IOS 7 or when you purchased your iPhone you are indeed giving Apple permission to use your iPhone for IOS, it's updates and associated services. I don't get your analogy about Bill Gates and his parking lot, but I see things a bit differently. Sure, when I buy a house, I'm buying property. When I sign up for services from my municipality, I don't sue the city for running pipes or electric lines to my house, hanging meters off the side of my house or putting a transformer box in the corner of my lot. I don't see anything in this issue that implies there's a class war going on here between the wealthy and the rest of us. I see it as an issue of definitions. Apple thinks you're licensing the right to use their software and all that that applies, while others think of their iPhone as a piece of property. I guess if people are going to bring law suits over this, the courts will determine where these lines are drawn, but I think this notion of property doesn't take into account the services that are bundled with a device. On 10/19/2013 03:09 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Hi Chris. Well, I don't think that the only who has right to feel this issue of download the IOs without agreement is a violation is the people with iPhones or iDevices of 8 or 16 GB. What could happen if you use the property of Bill Gates to store your things, without his agreement? What could happen to you, if you place a car in the Bill gates parking lot, in his little home in Washington State? For sure he has a big parking lot, for sure he has a lot of properties. Now, because of that he should feel that you did is not a illegal action? For sure he will take legal actions against you. In the laws of United States, the property right is one of the fundamentals right in our constitution, and it is a right in the most countries on the world. What apple is doing, is using the resources of our devices, downloading bunches of data, storing it in the memory of our devices, without our agreement. No body can use your property without your agreement. More over, is no way to remove the data that apple stored in our devices, unless we install the operated system. Try to place a car in the Bill Gate parking lot, and keep it there until Bill Gates buy your car. Tell Bill Gates that you will not remove your car of his parking lot, until he pay you for that car, and tell me what happen. The law should be apply for every body, not just with the people who is not rich. The law is also for the people who is braking rights, not matter if they are apple, Bill Gates or Chris. So, the problem here is not if our iDevices are of 8 or 64Gb. The point here is that apple is violating a right of property, and not providing a solution for the people who doesn't want to install IOs what ever version they release. When I say it, I mean, not providing a way to remove the data stored in the iDevices. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:09 AM Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates Hope this goes well, but I still believe in the notion that one is not actually forced into the update; they are just forced to have it downloaded to their device and take, to some, a considerable amount of space on their device. I can understand this being an issue for 8 GB and 16 GB devices, but for the rest of you, deal with it and maybe you will install it in your own time. Remember, the update is only downloaded, not installed, to one's device, since one have to agree to the terms of conditions not once, but twice. If the update got installed automatically, then yes I would support the man suing Tim Cook. But not sure on this case. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 19/10/2013 06:57, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news
Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
Jonathan, Or anyone for that matter, can someone explain what on Earth is wrong here? You can turn off auto updates in Settings/iTunes App Store, so what exactly is all the fuss about? Am I missing something? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 19 Oct 2013, at 06:57, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news outlets are reporting that a California man is taking Tim Cook to Small Claims Court over this issue. He's asking for $50 in compensation and for Apple to address the issue, so he's obviously not doing this to get rich. It will be very interesting to see where this goes. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
Yes Chris. we are not going to agree on this. We have different views, and is not easy to change our positions. Even though, I glad that your way to write, is respectful, and honest. Also we, both are trying to improve the customers situation, and of course, the blind situation as customers. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates Well, Pablo, we're not going to agree on this. I do not belive and cannot be convinced that my iPhone is property in the same way that my house, drive way, or shoe box is property. When I buy an iPhone, I buy into the Apple ecosystem, I license software from Apple and other parties and I sign up for services provided by Apple, ATT and so on. For example, if it were totally unencumbered property then I should be able to install any software on it that I want to, but I can't. I can only install software on it from Appl's App Store. This is the agreement I'm entering into when I purchase my iPhone. It's not exactly like a set top box or even a Kindle (which Amazon markets as a means to provide content and not a piece of property), but it's closer to that than it is to this flower vase I have on my desk. You say that you agreed to the terms and conditions of IOS 6, which don't include updates to IOS 7, but the way I read the license agreement for IOS 6, it definitely includes updates and clearly defines IOS software as including updates and even talks about software residing on media storage. If you'll forgive the formatting, here's the pertinent section from the IOS 6 license agreement: 1. General. (a) The software (including Boot ROM code and other embedded software), documentation, interfaces, content, fonts and any data that came with your iOS Device (Original iOS Software), as may be updated or replaced by feature enhancements, software updates or system restore software provided by Apple (iOS Software Updates), whether in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (the Original iOS Software and iOS Software Updates are collectively referred to as the “iOS Software) are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple Inc. (Apple) for use only under the terms of this License. Apple and its licensors retain ownership of the iOS Software itself and reserve all rights not expressly granted to you. (b) Apple, at its discretion, may make available future iOS Software Updates for your iOS Device I'm not sure what updates Apple would be referring to if they didn't include updates to IOS including updates to IOS 7. Like I said, I don't think we'll be able to change each other's mind. I'm perfectly OK with two intelligent people coming to two different conclusions. You view your iPhone as property and that's going to effect you're interpretation of the license you agreed to. I view my iPhone as an entry into the Apple ecosystem and it's associated services, and I realize that to provide those services, Apple may update my software and may take up more space on my media. I'm responding to your email not to try to change your mind, but just let you know that I have a different opinion and a different view of my Iphone and the license I agreed to when I bought my iPhone and powered it up for the first time. I respect your opinion, and hopefully you can respect mine. On 10/20/2013 07:02 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: No Chris. It is not maybe true. It is true. Period. I paid for that iPhone, or for that iPad, or for that iDevice, or for that home, or for that parking lot. When you are talking about the city authority, who wants to install electric wires to my home, and this wires are for improve my life, is a good example. Even though it doesn't match the case of apple. Let me explain you why. 1. An electric wire that will be crossing my property, to share electricity with the community, it is something that will help the community, and the government, has specific laws for this kind of situations, when a property has to be affected in case of constructions of improvements to the community. In all these cases, the government, local, state, or federal, has to pay something to the owner of that property. Now, if the electric installation, is only for me. I have the right to say, No, I don't want it. Take your wires, transformer , and trucks and get out of my property. Of course, in this case I will be living like the in the stone age. With out electricity, with out air condition, refrigerator, TV an internet. Fatal. But I have my choice, I am able to say, NO. 2. If the decision of say no will affect me, it is a risk that I have to run. for example, if I like to live like in the stone age, ok, for me is cool live like this. I do not have to let the city install wires on my home, if I don't want. 3. In all cases, the installation of electric wires is with the intention of improve life, life quality. Now, what
Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
Yes. The fuss is Apple automatically downloads iOS updates to one's device. Some just do not like that for some reason and feel it invades their properties to use the device, which I don't agree with. Nothing is being invaded at all. After all you did agree to Apple's ecosystem so I say deal with it or go for an Android or something else. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 21/10/2013 09:49, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Jonathan, Or anyone for that matter, can someone explain what on Earth is wrong here? You can turn off auto updates in Settings/iTunes App Store, so what exactly is all the fuss about? Am I missing something? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 19 Oct 2013, at 06:57, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news outlets are reporting that a California man is taking Tim Cook to Small Claims Court over this issue. He's asking for $50 in compensation and for Apple to address the issue, so he's obviously not doing this to get rich. It will be very interesting to see where this goes. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Actually, I like the new Voiceover features, including the fact that it now uses the Vocalizer Expressive voices that are found in NVDA. I even like the new Siri voices too. -- Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Using SamNet -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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? In the case of an iPhone 4s, or 5s, the improvement will be good, or maybe the effects will not be so bad. But in the case of an iPhone 4, the effects would be worse. Again, with the case of the wires and trucks and transformer in your back yard. If the effects of install a transformater in your back yard, will be that you will miss your flowers, that they will cut your apple trees, and you will miss the space to place your motorcycle, then the effect will not be so good. Again, how much I have to pay for the electric wires on my home? I really need it? Now, and ending. In the license agreement, anywhere says something about download data without agreement. Every time, when you press the agree button, you are accepting the conditions for that IOs version. But in this case, the download is not for the IOs that you agreed, it is for the next IOs, that you didn't agree yet. Here is the issue. Apple downloaded it to our devices, without our agreement. When we didn't agree the license agreement of that download. We accepted, the conditions of the previous IOs, but not for the IOs that apple downloaded without our agreement. Let me be a little bit more graphic. When we installed Ios 6.x, we accepted the conditions and license of IOs 6, not for IOs 7, or IOs 8, or IOs 2000. Our agreement was only for IOs 6. Even though, anywhere in the license agreement, say anything about download software, of the following IOs version, IOs that we didn't agree yet, download that we never authorized. Again. Anywhere in the license agreement, says anything related with the following IOs updates, anywhere says that we are accepting that they can download data of the following IOs, IOs that we didn't agree yet. It is their first mistake. Their second mistake, is that they do not provide any way to remove the IOs, that we never agree, we agreed the version of IOs that we were using, for example 6.x. But we didn't agree the IOs 7 yet, any way, they downloaded without our authorization. Apple should provide a way to remove the IOs that we do not want to use, IOs that we do not want to agree the license agreement. I want to use the IOs that I like,no the IOs that apple wants, the IOs that I feel me conftable, and I signed and agreed it. But When I bought the iPhone, anywhere says anything about that is mandatory use the IOs that they want. No, it doesn't say anywhere. Also in the license agreement of each IOs, we accept and agree the license of that IOs, not of the following IOs updates. In the United States, no body can create contracts that cover future modifications without agreement. Every time, when somebody wants to change the rules of a contract, they have to participate it for all parts. An Apple didn't this at any time. Apple never asked us about download an IOs that can not be remove of the memory. It can not be deleted, until we, mandatory, install it in our iDevice. Apple didn't asked me about IOs updates mandatory, they didn't ask me about downloads without agreement, apple never asked about download data that is not possible to remove, until we update the IOs. So are many mistakes here. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates I think there are several issues with this. First, you're thinking of your iPhone as property. That may be true assuming you remove IOS from it and don't sign up for any other services on it. When you buy an iPhone you get IOS, you agree to it's terms and conditions and you participate in all of the services that come with the Apple ecosystem. Go into Settings - General - About - Legal - License and you'll see that you're licensing IOS and not buying it. You'll also see that IOS software includes updates and that it includes space taken up on all media. You'll also see that you have the right to return your iPhone within a certain period if you don't agree with the terms and conditions of this license. You say that Apple is using your resources and your property without your permission. I think by agreeing to the license when you installed IOS 7 or when you purchased your iPhone you are indeed giving Apple permission to use your iPhone for IOS, it's updates and associated services. I don't get your analogy about Bill Gates and his parking lot, but I see things a bit differently. Sure, when I buy a house, I'm buying property. When I sign up for services from my municipality, I don't sue the city for running pipes or electric lines to my house, hanging meters off the side of my house or putting a transformer box in the corner of my lot. I don't see anything in this issue that implies there's a class war going on here between the wealthy and the rest of us. I see it as an issue of definitions. Apple thinks you're licensing the right
Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
I don't think the issue is with apps. The issue is that the iphone automatically downloads IOS updates without asking. It does not automatically install them, but it does download them and that space is taken on the device until it's installed. I do think this should be a user's choice, but is it worth sueing over? I don't think so, there are much more important things in the world to worry about. Original message: Jonathan, Or anyone for that matter, can someone explain what on Earth is wrong here? You can turn off auto updates in Settings/iTunes App Store, so what exactly is all the fuss about? Am I missing something? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com mailto:serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 19 Oct 2013, at 06:57, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news outlets are reporting that a California man is taking Tim Cook to Small Claims Court over this issue. He's asking for $50 in compensation and for Apple to address the issue, so he's obviously not doing this to get rich. It will be very interesting to see where this goes. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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property, to share electricity with the community, it is something that will help the community, and the government, has specific laws for this kind of situations, when a property has to be affected in case of constructions of improvements to the community. In all these cases, the government, local, state, or federal, has to pay something to the owner of that property. Now, if the electric installation, is only for me. I have the right to say, No, I don't want it. Take your wires, transformer , and trucks and get out of my property. Of course, in this case I will be living like the in the stone age. With out electricity, with out air condition, refrigerator, TV an internet. Fatal. But I have my choice, I am able to say, NO. 2. If the decision of say no will affect me, it is a risk that I have to run. for example, if I like to live like in the stone age, ok, for me is cool live like this. I do not have to let the city install wires on my home, if I don't want. 3. In all cases, the installation of electric wires is with the intention of improve life, life quality. Now, what is the price that I have to pay for that improvement? How much will be that improvement? Really the improvement worth the effort? In the case of an iPhone 4s, or 5s, the improvement will be good, or maybe the effects will not be so bad. But in the case of an iPhone 4, the effects would be worse. Again, with the case of the wires and trucks and transformer in your back yard. If the effects of install a transformater in your back yard, will be that you will miss your flowers, that they will cut your apple trees, and you will miss the space to place your motorcycle, then the effect will not be so good. Again, how much I have to pay for the electric wires on my home? I really need it? Now, and ending. In the license agreement, anywhere says something about download data without agreement. Every time, when you press the agree button, you are accepting the conditions for that IOs version. But in this case, the download is not for the IOs that you agreed, it is for the next IOs, that you didn't agree yet. Here is the issue. Apple downloaded it to our devices, without our agreement. When we didn't agree the license agreement of that download. We accepted, the conditions of the previous IOs, but not for the IOs that apple downloaded without our agreement. Let me be a little bit more graphic. When we installed Ios 6.x, we accepted the conditions and license of IOs 6, not for IOs 7, or IOs 8, or IOs 2000. Our agreement was only for IOs 6. Even though, anywhere in the license agreement, say anything about download software, of the following IOs version, IOs that we didn't agree yet, download that we never authorized. Again. Anywhere in the license agreement, says anything related with the following IOs updates, anywhere says that we are accepting that they can download data of the following IOs, IOs that we didn't agree yet. It is their first mistake. Their second mistake, is that they do not provide any way to remove the IOs, that we never agree, we agreed the version of IOs that we were using, for example 6.x. But we didn't agree the IOs 7 yet, any way, they downloaded without our authorization. Apple should provide a way to remove the IOs that we do not want to use, IOs that we do not want to agree the license agreement. I want to use the IOs that I like,no the IOs that apple wants, the IOs that I feel me conftable, and I signed and agreed it. But When I bought the iPhone, anywhere says anything about that is mandatory use the IOs that they want. No, it doesn't say anywhere. Also in the license agreement of each IOs, we accept and agree the license of that IOs, not of the following IOs updates. In the United States, no body can create contracts that cover future modifications without agreement. Every time, when somebody wants to change the rules of a contract, they have to participate it for all parts. An Apple didn't this at any time. Apple never asked us about download an IOs that can not be remove of the memory. It can not be deleted, until we, mandatory, install it in our iDevice. Apple didn't asked me about IOs updates mandatory, they didn't ask me about downloads without agreement, apple never asked about download data that is not possible to remove, until we update the IOs. So are many mistakes here. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates I think there are several issues with this. First, you're thinking of your iPhone as property. That may be true assuming you remove IOS from it and don't sign up for any other services on it. When you buy an iPhone you get IOS, you agree to it's terms and conditions and you participate in all of the services that come with the Apple ecosystem
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I personally don't have a problem with what Apple is doing, but I'm going to play devil's advocate. I think Apple shouldn't include accessibility as a standard feature with their iOs, because it takes up space that I could use for other items. If you want accessibility, you could hook up your iDevice to your computer and use iTunes to get it that way. I think it's wrong for Apple forcing us to get accessibility as a standard feature with our iDevices. As I said, I don't agree with the above logic, but I could see a sighted individual thinking this way. Oh, and while we're at it, Siri could also be seen as a feature that Apple shouldn't include because not everybody will want it or use it. I'm not sending this out to change minds, it's just a different way to look at things. I hope Apple always keeps accessibility as part of the iOs. Have a great day, and don't work too hard. GO CATS and GO BENGALS! Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY kmi...@windstream.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Kevin: I like your argument. On 10/21/13, Kevin Minor kmi...@windstream.net wrote: I personally don't have a problem with what Apple is doing, but I'm going to play devil's advocate. I think Apple shouldn't include accessibility as a standard feature with their iOs, because it takes up space that I could use for other items. If you want accessibility, you could hook up your iDevice to your computer and use iTunes to get it that way. I think it's wrong for Apple forcing us to get accessibility as a standard feature with our iDevices. As I said, I don't agree with the above logic, but I could see a sighted individual thinking this way. Oh, and while we're at it, Siri could also be seen as a feature that Apple shouldn't include because not everybody will want it or use it. I'm not sending this out to change minds, it's just a different way to look at things. I hope Apple always keeps accessibility as part of the iOs. Have a great day, and don't work too hard. GO CATS and GO BENGALS! Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY kmi...@windstream.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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The issue is that there are those who do not want to move up to IOS 7, for example, people have reported that the iPhone 4 can run sluggishly with IOS 7, but even though they have no intention of installing or moving up to IOS 7, the IOS 7 update is downloaded to their device and takes up over 1G of space. This is over 10% of an 8G iPhone. There is no setting where you can tell IOS not to download this update and take up this space. Since the storage you get on an iPhone is fixed, and since you pay good money for this storage when you buy an iPhone, some people don't think Apple should take up this space without your knowledge or permission and even think it's illegal. I don't necessarily agree with this, but I can definitely understand people's frustration with this situation. On 10/21/2013 06:25 AM, Chris H wrote: Yes. The fuss is Apple automatically downloads iOS updates to one's device. Some just do not like that for some reason and feel it invades their properties to use the device, which I don't agree with. Nothing is being invaded at all. After all you did agree to Apple's ecosystem so I say deal with it or go for an Android or something else. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 21/10/2013 09:49, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Jonathan, Or anyone for that matter, can someone explain what on Earth is wrong here? You can turn off auto updates in Settings/iTunes App Store, so what exactly is all the fuss about? Am I missing something? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 19 Oct 2013, at 06:57, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news outlets are reporting that a California man is taking Tim Cook to Small Claims Court over this issue. He's asking for $50 in compensation and for Apple to address the issue, so he's obviously not doing this to get rich. It will be very interesting to see where this goes. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates I think there are several issues with this. First, you're thinking of your iPhone as property. That may be true assuming you remove IOS from it and don't sign up for any other services on it. When you buy an iPhone you get IOS, you agree to it's terms and conditions and you participate in all of the services that come with the Apple ecosystem. Go into Settings - General - About - Legal - License and you'll see that you're licensing IOS and not buying it. You'll also see that IOS software includes updates and that it includes space taken up on all media. You'll also see that you have the right to return your iPhone within a certain period if you don't agree with the terms and conditions of this license. You say that Apple is using your resources and your property without your permission. I think by agreeing to the license when you installed IOS 7 or when you purchased your iPhone you are indeed giving Apple permission to use your iPhone for IOS, it's updates and associated services. I don't get your analogy about Bill Gates and his parking lot, but I see things a bit differently. Sure, when I buy a house, I'm buying property. When I sign up for services from my municipality, I don't sue the city for running pipes or electric lines to my house, hanging meters off the side of my house or putting a transformer box in the corner of my lot. I don't see anything in this issue that implies there's a class war going on here between the wealthy and the rest of us. I see it as an issue of definitions. Apple thinks you're licensing the right to use their software and all that that applies, while others think of their iPhone as a piece of property. I guess if people are going to bring law suits over this, the courts will determine where these lines are drawn, but I think this notion of property doesn't take into account the services that are bundled with a device. On 10/19/2013 03:09 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Hi Chris. Well, I don't think that the only who has right to feel this issue of download the IOs without agreement is a violation is the people with iPhones or iDevices of 8 or 16 GB. What could happen if you use the property of Bill Gates to store your things, without his agreement? What could happen to you, if you place a car in the Bill gates parking lot, in his little home in Washington State? For sure he has a big parking lot, for sure he has a lot of properties. Now, because of that he should feel that you did is not a illegal action? For sure he will take legal actions against you. In the laws of United States, the property right is one of the fundamentals right in our constitution, and it is a right in the most countries on the world. What apple is doing, is using the resources of our devices, downloading bunches of data, storing it in the memory of our devices, without our agreement. No body can use your property without your agreement. More over, is no way to remove the data that apple stored in our devices, unless we install the operated system. Try to place a car in the Bill Gate parking lot, and keep it there until Bill Gates buy your car. Tell Bill Gates that you will not remove your car of his parking lot, until he pay you for that car, and tell me what happen. The law should be apply for every body, not just with the people who is not rich. The law is also for the people who is braking rights, not matter if they are apple, Bill Gates or Chris. So, the problem here is not if our iDevices are of 8 or 64Gb. The point here is that apple is violating a right of property, and not providing a solution for the people who doesn't want to install IOs what ever version they release. When I say it, I mean, not providing a way to remove the data stored in the iDevices. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:09 AM Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates Hope this goes well, but I still believe in the notion that one is not actually forced into the update; they are just forced to have it downloaded to their device and take, to some, a considerable amount of space on their device. I can understand this being an issue for 8 GB and 16 GB devices, but for the rest of you, deal with it and maybe you will install it in your own time. Remember, the update is only downloaded, not installed, to one's device, since one have to agree to the terms of conditions not once, but twice. If the update got installed automatically, then yes I would support the man suing Tim Cook. But not sure on this case. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 19/10/2013 06:57, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news outlets are reporting that a California man is taking Tim Cook
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flowers, that they will cut your apple trees, and you will miss the space to place your motorcycle, then the effect will not be so good. Again, how much I have to pay for the electric wires on my home? I really need it? Now, and ending. In the license agreement, anywhere says something about download data without agreement. Every time, when you press the agree button, you are accepting the conditions for that IOs version. But in this case, the download is not for the IOs that you agreed, it is for the next IOs, that you didn't agree yet. Here is the issue. Apple downloaded it to our devices, without our agreement. When we didn't agree the license agreement of that download. We accepted, the conditions of the previous IOs, but not for the IOs that apple downloaded without our agreement. Let me be a little bit more graphic. When we installed Ios 6.x, we accepted the conditions and license of IOs 6, not for IOs 7, or IOs 8, or IOs 2000. Our agreement was only for IOs 6. Even though, anywhere in the license agreement, say anything about download software, of the following IOs version, IOs that we didn't agree yet, download that we never authorized. Again. Anywhere in the license agreement, says anything related with the following IOs updates, anywhere says that we are accepting that they can download data of the following IOs, IOs that we didn't agree yet. It is their first mistake. Their second mistake, is that they do not provide any way to remove the IOs, that we never agree, we agreed the version of IOs that we were using, for example 6.x. But we didn't agree the IOs 7 yet, any way, they downloaded without our authorization. Apple should provide a way to remove the IOs that we do not want to use, IOs that we do not want to agree the license agreement. I want to use the IOs that I like,no the IOs that apple wants, the IOs that I feel me conftable, and I signed and agreed it. But When I bought the iPhone, anywhere says anything about that is mandatory use the IOs that they want. No, it doesn't say anywhere. Also in the license agreement of each IOs, we accept and agree the license of that IOs, not of the following IOs updates. In the United States, no body can create contracts that cover future modifications without agreement. Every time, when somebody wants to change the rules of a contract, they have to participate it for all parts. An Apple didn't this at any time. Apple never asked us about download an IOs that can not be remove of the memory. It can not be deleted, until we, mandatory, install it in our iDevice. Apple didn't asked me about IOs updates mandatory, they didn't ask me about downloads without agreement, apple never asked about download data that is not possible to remove, until we update the IOs. So are many mistakes here. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates I think there are several issues with this. First, you're thinking of your iPhone as property. That may be true assuming you remove IOS from it and don't sign up for any other services on it. When you buy an iPhone you get IOS, you agree to it's terms and conditions and you participate in all of the services that come with the Apple ecosystem. Go into Settings - General - About - Legal - License and you'll see that you're licensing IOS and not buying it. You'll also see that IOS software includes updates and that it includes space taken up on all media. You'll also see that you have the right to return your iPhone within a certain period if you don't agree with the terms and conditions of this license. You say that Apple is using your resources and your property without your permission. I think by agreeing to the license when you installed IOS 7 or when you purchased your iPhone you are indeed giving Apple permission to use your iPhone for IOS, it's updates and associated services. I don't get your analogy about Bill Gates and his parking lot, but I see things a bit differently. Sure, when I buy a house, I'm buying property. When I sign up for services from my municipality, I don't sue the city for running pipes or electric lines to my house, hanging meters off the side of my house or putting a transformer box in the corner of my lot. I don't see anything in this issue that implies there's a class war going on here between the wealthy and the rest of us. I see it as an issue of definitions. Apple thinks you're licensing the right to use their software and all that that applies, while others think of their iPhone as a piece of property. I guess if people are going to bring law suits over this, the courts will determine where these lines are drawn, but I think this notion of property doesn't take into account the services that are bundled with a device. On 10/19/2013 03:09 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Hi Chris. Well, I don't think that the only who has right
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would be worse. Again, with the case of the wires and trucks and transformer in your back yard. If the effects of install a transformater in your back yard, will be that you will miss your flowers, that they will cut your apple trees, and you will miss the space to place your motorcycle, then the effect will not be so good. Again, how much I have to pay for the electric wires on my home? I really need it? Now, and ending. In the license agreement, anywhere says something about download data without agreement. Every time, when you press the agree button, you are accepting the conditions for that IOs version. But in this case, the download is not for the IOs that you agreed, it is for the next IOs, that you didn't agree yet. Here is the issue. Apple downloaded it to our devices, without our agreement. When we didn't agree the license agreement of that download. We accepted, the conditions of the previous IOs, but not for the IOs that apple downloaded without our agreement. Let me be a little bit more graphic. When we installed Ios 6.x, we accepted the conditions and license of IOs 6, not for IOs 7, or IOs 8, or IOs 2000. Our agreement was only for IOs 6. Even though, anywhere in the license agreement, say anything about download software, of the following IOs version, IOs that we didn't agree yet, download that we never authorized. Again. Anywhere in the license agreement, says anything related with the following IOs updates, anywhere says that we are accepting that they can download data of the following IOs, IOs that we didn't agree yet. It is their first mistake. Their second mistake, is that they do not provide any way to remove the IOs, that we never agree, we agreed the version of IOs that we were using, for example 6.x. But we didn't agree the IOs 7 yet, any way, they downloaded without our authorization. Apple should provide a way to remove the IOs that we do not want to use, IOs that we do not want to agree the license agreement. I want to use the IOs that I like,no the IOs that apple wants, the IOs that I feel me conftable, and I signed and agreed it. But When I bought the iPhone, anywhere says anything about that is mandatory use the IOs that they want. No, it doesn't say anywhere. Also in the license agreement of each IOs, we accept and agree the license of that IOs, not of the following IOs updates. In the United States, no body can create contracts that cover future modifications without agreement. Every time, when somebody wants to change the rules of a contract, they have to participate it for all parts. An Apple didn't this at any time. Apple never asked us about download an IOs that can not be remove of the memory. It can not be deleted, until we, mandatory, install it in our iDevice. Apple didn't asked me about IOs updates mandatory, they didn't ask me about downloads without agreement, apple never asked about download data that is not possible to remove, until we update the IOs. So are many mistakes here. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates I think there are several issues with this. First, you're thinking of your iPhone as property. That may be true assuming you remove IOS from it and don't sign up for any other services on it. When you buy an iPhone you get IOS, you agree to it's terms and conditions and you participate in all of the services that come with the Apple ecosystem. Go into Settings - General - About - Legal - License and you'll see that you're licensing IOS and not buying it. You'll also see that IOS software includes updates and that it includes space taken up on all media. You'll also see that you have the right to return your iPhone within a certain period if you don't agree with the terms and conditions of this license. You say that Apple is using your resources and your property without your permission. I think by agreeing to the license when you installed IOS 7 or when you purchased your iPhone you are indeed giving Apple permission to use your iPhone for IOS, it's updates and associated services. I don't get your analogy about Bill Gates and his parking lot, but I see things a bit differently. Sure, when I buy a house, I'm buying property. When I sign up for services from my municipality, I don't sue the city for running pipes or electric lines to my house, hanging meters off the side of my house or putting a transformer box in the corner of my lot. I don't see anything in this issue that implies there's a class war going on here between the wealthy and the rest of us. I see it as an issue of definitions. Apple thinks you're licensing the right to use their software and all that that applies, while others think of their iPhone as a piece of property. I guess if people are going to bring law suits over
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OK, so just agree to disagree, Pablo is right in his own way and the guy in California who went to small claims court over this most definitely has his own logic and reasoning. I used to agree, Chris, but Pablo does have a point even though I don't think it's a big deal. Pablo, I think you should go to Small Claims Court where you live and join up with that guy in California since you are so passionate about this. I don't means this sarcasticly, I really just say it without irony because as I said, your argument has validity. As a list member I hope we can move on from this, both Christopher and you clearly stated how you feel, most others on the list agree with one or the other and some don't care, but while I am not a moderator and don't want this to come across as an attempt to moderate (I do know where the delete key is) there is at this point no solution or any way to make this more clear. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates Well, Pablo, we're not going to agree on this. I do not belive and cannot be convinced that my iPhone is property in the same way that my house, drive way, or shoe box is property. When I buy an iPhone, I buy into the Apple ecosystem, I license software from Apple and other parties and I sign up for services provided by Apple, ATT and so on. For example, if it were totally unencumbered property then I should be able to install any software on it that I want to, but I can't. I can only install software on it from Appl's App Store. This is the agreement I'm entering into when I purchase my iPhone. It's not exactly like a set top box or even a Kindle (which Amazon markets as a means to provide content and not a piece of property), but it's closer to that than it is to this flower vase I have on my desk. You say that you agreed to the terms and conditions of IOS 6, which don't include updates to IOS 7, but the way I read the license agreement for IOS 6, it definitely includes updates and clearly defines IOS software as including updates and even talks about software residing on media storage. If you'll forgive the formatting, here's the pertinent section from the IOS 6 license agreement: 1. General. (a) The software (including Boot ROM code and other embedded software), documentation, interfaces, content, fonts and any data that came with your iOS Device (Original iOS Software), as may be updated or replaced by feature enhancements, software updates or system restore software provided by Apple (iOS Software Updates), whether in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (the Original iOS Software and iOS Software Updates are collectively referred to as the iOS Software) are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple Inc. (Apple) for use only under the terms of this License. Apple and its licensors retain ownership of the iOS Software itself and reserve all rights not expressly granted to you. (b) Apple, at its discretion, may make available future iOS Software Updates for your iOS Device I'm not sure what updates Apple would be referring to if they didn't include updates to IOS including updates to IOS 7. Like I said, I don't think we'll be able to change each other's mind. I'm perfectly OK with two intelligent people coming to two different conclusions. You view your iPhone as property and that's going to effect you're interpretation of the license you agreed to. I view my iPhone as an entry into the Apple ecosystem and it's associated services, and I realize that to provide those services, Apple may update my software and may take up more space on my media. I'm responding to your email not to try to change your mind, but just let you know that I have a different opinion and a different view of my Iphone and the license I agreed to when I bought my iPhone and powered it up for the first time. I respect your opinion, and hopefully you can respect mine. On 10/20/2013 07:02 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: No Chris. It is not maybe true. It is true. Period. I paid for that iPhone, or for that iPad, or for that iDevice, or for that home, or for that parking lot. When you are talking about the city authority, who wants to install electric wires to my home, and this wires are for improve my life, is a good example. Even though it doesn't match the case of apple. Let me explain you why. 1. An electric wire that will be crossing my property, to share electricity with the community, it is something that will help the community, and the government, has specific laws for this kind of situations, when a property has to be affected in case of constructions of improvements to the community. In all these cases, the government, local, state, or federal, has to pay something to the owner
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If you read the agreement, you will notice that you agree that apple can download updates to your phone whenever they need to. And why is it you don't seem to mind microsoft downloading updates to your computer whether you want them or not? Isn't that a double standard? How many of you didn't ask for internet explorer nine or ten, but got it anyway? It amazes me the people who have nothing else in their lives to do other than to whine about something they agreed to. Thank goodness you don'w own an android and have the youtube app. In the agreement, you agree that they can turn on your camera or microphone any time they wish without your permission or consent. Perhaps instead of pressing the agree button, you should actually read the agreement. After all, why would anyone want the new voiceover features in IOS 7 anyway? On Oct 19, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chris. Well, I don't think that the only who has right to feel this issue of download the IOs without agreement is a violation is the people with iPhones or iDevices of 8 or 16 GB. What could happen if you use the property of Bill Gates to store your things, without his agreement? What could happen to you, if you place a car in the Bill gates parking lot, in his little home in Washington State? For sure he has a big parking lot, for sure he has a lot of properties. Now, because of that he should feel that you did is not a illegal action? For sure he will take legal actions against you. In the laws of United States, the property right is one of the fundamentals right in our constitution, and it is a right in the most countries on the world. What apple is doing, is using the resources of our devices, downloading bunches of data, storing it in the memory of our devices, without our agreement. No body can use your property without your agreement. More over, is no way to remove the data that apple stored in our devices, unless we install the operated system. Try to place a car in the Bill Gate parking lot, and keep it there until Bill Gates buy your car. Tell Bill Gates that you will not remove your car of his parking lot, until he pay you for that car, and tell me what happen. The law should be apply for every body, not just with the people who is not rich. The law is also for the people who is braking rights, not matter if they are apple, Bill Gates or Chris. So, the problem here is not if our iDevices are of 8 or 64Gb. The point here is that apple is violating a right of property, and not providing a solution for the people who doesn't want to install IOs what ever version they release. When I say it, I mean, not providing a way to remove the data stored in the iDevices. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:09 AM Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates Hope this goes well, but I still believe in the notion that one is not actually forced into the update; they are just forced to have it downloaded to their device and take, to some, a considerable amount of space on their device. I can understand this being an issue for 8 GB and 16 GB devices, but for the rest of you, deal with it and maybe you will install it in your own time. Remember, the update is only downloaded, not installed, to one's device, since one have to agree to the terms of conditions not once, but twice. If the update got installed automatically, then yes I would support the man suing Tim Cook. But not sure on this case. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 19/10/2013 06:57, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news outlets are reporting that a California man is taking Tim Cook to Small Claims Court over this issue. He's asking for $50 in compensation and for Apple to address the issue, so he's obviously not doing this to get rich. It will be very interesting to see where this goes. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
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Hope this goes well, but I still believe in the notion that one is not actually forced into the update; they are just forced to have it downloaded to their device and take, to some, a considerable amount of space on their device. I can understand this being an issue for 8 GB and 16 GB devices, but for the rest of you, deal with it and maybe you will install it in your own time. Remember, the update is only downloaded, not installed, to one's device, since one have to agree to the terms of conditions not once, but twice. If the update got installed automatically, then yes I would support the man suing Tim Cook. But not sure on this case. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 19/10/2013 06:57, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news outlets are reporting that a California man is taking Tim Cook to Small Claims Court over this issue. He's asking for $50 in compensation and for Apple to address the issue, so he's obviously not doing this to get rich. It will be very interesting to see where this goes. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi Chris. Well, I don't think that the only who has right to feel this issue of download the IOs without agreement is a violation is the people with iPhones or iDevices of 8 or 16 GB. What could happen if you use the property of Bill Gates to store your things, without his agreement? What could happen to you, if you place a car in the Bill gates parking lot, in his little home in Washington State? For sure he has a big parking lot, for sure he has a lot of properties. Now, because of that he should feel that you did is not a illegal action? For sure he will take legal actions against you. In the laws of United States, the property right is one of the fundamentals right in our constitution, and it is a right in the most countries on the world. What apple is doing, is using the resources of our devices, downloading bunches of data, storing it in the memory of our devices, without our agreement. No body can use your property without your agreement. More over, is no way to remove the data that apple stored in our devices, unless we install the operated system. Try to place a car in the Bill Gate parking lot, and keep it there until Bill Gates buy your car. Tell Bill Gates that you will not remove your car of his parking lot, until he pay you for that car, and tell me what happen. The law should be apply for every body, not just with the people who is not rich. The law is also for the people who is braking rights, not matter if they are apple, Bill Gates or Chris. So, the problem here is not if our iDevices are of 8 or 64Gb. The point here is that apple is violating a right of property, and not providing a solution for the people who doesn't want to install IOs what ever version they release. When I say it, I mean, not providing a way to remove the data stored in the iDevices. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:09 AM Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates Hope this goes well, but I still believe in the notion that one is not actually forced into the update; they are just forced to have it downloaded to their device and take, to some, a considerable amount of space on their device. I can understand this being an issue for 8 GB and 16 GB devices, but for the rest of you, deal with it and maybe you will install it in your own time. Remember, the update is only downloaded, not installed, to one's device, since one have to agree to the terms of conditions not once, but twice. If the update got installed automatically, then yes I would support the man suing Tim Cook. But not sure on this case. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 19/10/2013 06:57, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news outlets are reporting that a California man is taking Tim Cook to Small Claims Court over this issue. He's asking for $50 in compensation and for Apple to address the issue, so he's obviously not doing this to get rich. It will be very interesting to see where this goes. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Here hear! Very very good Pablo I agree with you entirely! You should've been a lawyer. Your logic is faultless . Tim Cooks will lose the case and his nose!! Just keep it up! Vest wishes many blessings! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I think there are several issues with this. First, you're thinking of your iPhone as property. That may be true assuming you remove IOS from it and don't sign up for any other services on it. When you buy an iPhone you get IOS, you agree to it's terms and conditions and you participate in all of the services that come with the Apple ecosystem. Go into Settings - General - About - Legal - License and you'll see that you're licensing IOS and not buying it. You'll also see that IOS software includes updates and that it includes space taken up on all media. You'll also see that you have the right to return your iPhone within a certain period if you don't agree with the terms and conditions of this license. You say that Apple is using your resources and your property without your permission. I think by agreeing to the license when you installed IOS 7 or when you purchased your iPhone you are indeed giving Apple permission to use your iPhone for IOS, it's updates and associated services. I don't get your analogy about Bill Gates and his parking lot, but I see things a bit differently. Sure, when I buy a house, I'm buying property. When I sign up for services from my municipality, I don't sue the city for running pipes or electric lines to my house, hanging meters off the side of my house or putting a transformer box in the corner of my lot. I don't see anything in this issue that implies there's a class war going on here between the wealthy and the rest of us. I see it as an issue of definitions. Apple thinks you're licensing the right to use their software and all that that applies, while others think of their iPhone as a piece of property. I guess if people are going to bring law suits over this, the courts will determine where these lines are drawn, but I think this notion of property doesn't take into account the services that are bundled with a device. On 10/19/2013 03:09 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Hi Chris. Well, I don't think that the only who has right to feel this issue of download the IOs without agreement is a violation is the people with iPhones or iDevices of 8 or 16 GB. What could happen if you use the property of Bill Gates to store your things, without his agreement? What could happen to you, if you place a car in the Bill gates parking lot, in his little home in Washington State? For sure he has a big parking lot, for sure he has a lot of properties. Now, because of that he should feel that you did is not a illegal action? For sure he will take legal actions against you. In the laws of United States, the property right is one of the fundamentals right in our constitution, and it is a right in the most countries on the world. What apple is doing, is using the resources of our devices, downloading bunches of data, storing it in the memory of our devices, without our agreement. No body can use your property without your agreement. More over, is no way to remove the data that apple stored in our devices, unless we install the operated system. Try to place a car in the Bill Gate parking lot, and keep it there until Bill Gates buy your car. Tell Bill Gates that you will not remove your car of his parking lot, until he pay you for that car, and tell me what happen. The law should be apply for every body, not just with the people who is not rich. The law is also for the people who is braking rights, not matter if they are apple, Bill Gates or Chris. So, the problem here is not if our iDevices are of 8 or 64Gb. The point here is that apple is violating a right of property, and not providing a solution for the people who doesn't want to install IOs what ever version they release. When I say it, I mean, not providing a way to remove the data stored in the iDevices. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:09 AM Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates Hope this goes well, but I still believe in the notion that one is not actually forced into the update; they are just forced to have it downloaded to their device and take, to some, a considerable amount of space on their device. I can understand this being an issue for 8 GB and 16 GB devices, but for the rest of you, deal with it and maybe you will install it in your own time. Remember, the update is only downloaded, not installed, to one's device, since one have to agree to the terms of conditions not once, but twice. If the update got installed automatically, then yes I would support the man suing Tim Cook. But not sure on this case. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 19/10/2013 06:57, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news outlets are reporting that a California man is taking Tim Cook to Small Claims Court over this issue. He's asking for $50
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Hi, I fully support this guy. I just paid $100 more for my phone to get 32 gig rather than the 16. I paid for the full extra 16 gig and it should be mine do do what I want with. Ron Danvers That Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris H Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates Hope this goes well, but I still believe in the notion that one is not actually forced into the update; they are just forced to have it downloaded to their device and take, to some, a considerable amount of space on their device. I can understand this being an issue for 8 GB and 16 GB devices, but for the rest of you, deal with it and maybe you will install it in your own time. Remember, the update is only downloaded, not installed, to one's device, since one have to agree to the terms of conditions not once, but twice. If the update got installed automatically, then yes I would support the man suing Tim Cook. But not sure on this case. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 19/10/2013 06:57, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news outlets are reporting that a California man is taking Tim Cook to Small Claims Court over this issue. He's asking for $50 in compensation and for Apple to address the issue, so he's obviously not doing this to get rich. It will be very interesting to see where this goes. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
That's what I'm saying. we actually don't own the iPhoen as property; instead we have a right, or license, to use the iPhone as a device and deal with the Apple Ecosystem. Each may agree to disagree but that's what it is. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 19/10/2013 17:39, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I think there are several issues with this. First, you're thinking of your iPhone as property. That may be true assuming you remove IOS from it and don't sign up for any other services on it. When you buy an iPhone you get IOS, you agree to it's terms and conditions and you participate in all of the services that come with the Apple ecosystem. Go into Settings - General - About - Legal - License and you'll see that you're licensing IOS and not buying it. You'll also see that IOS software includes updates and that it includes space taken up on all media. You'll also see that you have the right to return your iPhone within a certain period if you don't agree with the terms and conditions of this license. You say that Apple is using your resources and your property without your permission. I think by agreeing to the license when you installed IOS 7 or when you purchased your iPhone you are indeed giving Apple permission to use your iPhone for IOS, it's updates and associated services. I don't get your analogy about Bill Gates and his parking lot, but I see things a bit differently. Sure, when I buy a house, I'm buying property. When I sign up for services from my municipality, I don't sue the city for running pipes or electric lines to my house, hanging meters off the side of my house or putting a transformer box in the corner of my lot. I don't see anything in this issue that implies there's a class war going on here between the wealthy and the rest of us. I see it as an issue of definitions. Apple thinks you're licensing the right to use their software and all that that applies, while others think of their iPhone as a piece of property. I guess if people are going to bring law suits over this, the courts will determine where these lines are drawn, but I think this notion of property doesn't take into account the services that are bundled with a device. On 10/19/2013 03:09 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Hi Chris. Well, I don't think that the only who has right to feel this issue of download the IOs without agreement is a violation is the people with iPhones or iDevices of 8 or 16 GB. What could happen if you use the property of Bill Gates to store your things, without his agreement? What could happen to you, if you place a car in the Bill gates parking lot, in his little home in Washington State? For sure he has a big parking lot, for sure he has a lot of properties. Now, because of that he should feel that you did is not a illegal action? For sure he will take legal actions against you. In the laws of United States, the property right is one of the fundamentals right in our constitution, and it is a right in the most countries on the world. What apple is doing, is using the resources of our devices, downloading bunches of data, storing it in the memory of our devices, without our agreement. No body can use your property without your agreement. More over, is no way to remove the data that apple stored in our devices, unless we install the operated system. Try to place a car in the Bill Gate parking lot, and keep it there until Bill Gates buy your car. Tell Bill Gates that you will not remove your car of his parking lot, until he pay you for that car, and tell me what happen. The law should be apply for every body, not just with the people who is not rich. The law is also for the people who is braking rights, not matter if they are apple, Bill Gates or Chris. So, the problem here is not if our iDevices are of 8 or 64Gb. The point here is that apple is violating a right of property, and not providing a solution for the people who doesn't want to install IOs what ever version they release. When I say it, I mean, not providing a way to remove the data stored in the iDevices. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:09 AM Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates Hope this goes well, but I still believe in the notion that one is not actually forced into the update; they are just forced to have it downloaded to their device and take, to some, a considerable amount of space on their device. I can understand this being an issue for 8 GB and 16 GB devices, but for the rest of you, deal with it and maybe you will install it in your own time. Remember, the update is only downloaded, not installed, to one's device, since one have to agree to the terms of conditions not once, but twice. If the update got installed automatically, then yes I would support the man suing Tim Cook. But not sure on this case. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 19/10/2013 06:57
Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
is that apple is violating a right of property, and not providing a solution for the people who doesn't want to install IOs what ever version they release. When I say it, I mean, not providing a way to remove the data stored in the iDevices. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:09 AM Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates Hope this goes well, but I still believe in the notion that one is not actually forced into the update; they are just forced to have it downloaded to their device and take, to some, a considerable amount of space on their device. I can understand this being an issue for 8 GB and 16 GB devices, but for the rest of you, deal with it and maybe you will install it in your own time. Remember, the update is only downloaded, not installed, to one's device, since one have to agree to the terms of conditions not once, but twice. If the update got installed automatically, then yes I would support the man suing Tim Cook. But not sure on this case. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 19/10/2013 06:57, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news outlets are reporting that a California man is taking Tim Cook to Small Claims Court over this issue. He's asking for $50 in compensation and for Apple to address the issue, so he's obviously not doing this to get rich. It will be very interesting to see where this goes. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
