RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Richard, did  you get Waltr2 or Waltr Pro? They still list Waltr2 which is what 
I used for a bit years ago, I think Waltr Pro maybe a bit more recent and it's 
definitely an improvement. I don't transfer music to my iPhone or books or 
other stuff, but I guess it would be just as easy as ringtones since the 
program basically decides by whatever the file type is where on the iPhone it 
needs to go.
I sent my support email this morning, but no reply yet so far.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
apps

Also, if I hadn't gotten in on the great deal for a lifetime purchase, I would 
not be using it.




Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 9:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
apps

I have never found their support very helpful and the program has never 
improved on accessibility.  It takes a lot of tedium to get used to it...

Good luck,



Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
apps

I just downloaded Waltr Pro and tried it with 2 ringtones which can be done 
with the trial license and since you can now download the required drivers as 
part of the Waltr Pro download it is certainly a lot better than many years ago 
when iTunes had to be installed.
However, I purchased a 1-months universal license which is of course a money 
grab since there is no individiual license for Waltr Pro and you have to get 
the universal license which is also good for all their other product. So far I 
have not been able to activate Waltr Pro however, I clicked on the link to 
activate it in the email I received and it seemed like it went around in 
circles asking me to enter my email so I would get some "magic link" by email 
to sign in, eventually I saw a little one-line message near the bottom of the 
page which said activation could not be completed and to contact support. I 
have done that now and we'll see what happens. There is a place in Waltr Pro 
where it says "I have a license key" and I wonder why they don't just send me 
the license key to paste in there and that would be the end of it. As I said, 
it seems simple enough and hopefully support can enlighten me as to how I can 
activate this, then I'll transfer all my ringtones and alert tones and that 
will be it. It's definitely not worthwhile for me to maintain an annual 
subscription year after year for something I may use once a year for one or two 
tones. I do have a few dozen custom ringtones and text/alert tones so once I 
have them back on my iPhone I won't need the application any more and if in a 
year or two I want to add some more tones I can always buy another 1-months 
subscription. Also, hopefully Apple will add the ability to transfer ringtones 
to the Apple Devices app for Windows, you can do just about anything else what 
one could do in iTunes except transfer ringtones.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kliph
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
apps

No you do not, all you need is a license to WALTRPro, your phone, and the files 
you want to import. It does more than just ring tones. You can import music 
directly into Apple Music, kindle books, iBooks, even keynote presentations. 
Ring tones are just what it is most popular for.


> On Jan 28, 2024, at 7:51 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> But in order to use Waltr2 you still need to have iTunes installed on the 
> computer, don't you?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kliph
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2024 9:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and 
> Garage Band apps
> 
> I second this
> Great program
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2024, at 9:32 AM, Kelly 

RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Richard Turner]

Also, if I hadn't gotten in on the great deal for a lifetime purchase, I would 
not be using it.




Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 
JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 9:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
apps

I have never found their support very helpful and the program has never 
improved on accessibility.  It takes a lot of tedium to get used to it...

Good luck,



Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
apps

I just downloaded Waltr Pro and tried it with 2 ringtones which can be done 
with the trial license and since you can now download the required drivers as 
part of the Waltr Pro download it is certainly a lot better than many years ago 
when iTunes had to be installed.
However, I purchased a 1-months universal license which is of course a money 
grab since there is no individiual license for Waltr Pro and you have to get 
the universal license which is also good for all their other product. So far I 
have not been able to activate Waltr Pro however, I clicked on the link to 
activate it in the email I received and it seemed like it went around in 
circles asking me to enter my email so I would get some "magic link" by email 
to sign in, eventually I saw a little one-line message near the bottom of the 
page which said activation could not be completed and to contact support. I 
have done that now and we'll see what happens. There is a place in Waltr Pro 
where it says "I have a license key" and I wonder why they don't just send me 
the license key to paste in there and that would be the end of it. As I said, 
it seems simple enough and hopefully support can enlighten me as to how I can 
activate this, then I'll transfer all my ringtones and alert tones and that 
will be it. It's definitely not worthwhile for me to maintain an annual 
subscription year after year for something I may use once a year for one or two 
tones. I do have a few dozen custom ringtones and text/alert tones so once I 
have them back on my iPhone I won't need the application any more and if in a 
year or two I want to add some more tones I can always buy another 1-months 
subscription. Also, hopefully Apple will add the ability to transfer ringtones 
to the Apple Devices app for Windows, you can do just about anything else what 
one could do in iTunes except transfer ringtones.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kliph
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
apps

No you do not, all you need is a license to WALTRPro, your phone, and the files 
you want to import. It does more than just ring tones. You can import music 
directly into Apple Music, kindle books, iBooks, even keynote presentations. 
Ring tones are just what it is most popular for.


> On Jan 28, 2024, at 7:51 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> But in order to use Waltr2 you still need to have iTunes installed on the 
> computer, don't you?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kliph
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2024 9:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and 
> Garage Band apps
> 
> I second this
> Great program
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2024, at 9:32 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>> 
>> To transfer music and ringtones to my iPhone, I use a program called 
>> Waltr Pro, which has an annual subscription fee of $35.  Nicely 
>> accessible, more so than iTunes, and none of the headaches and 
>> hassles.  For making ringtones, I slice an MP3 file down with MP3 
>> Direct Cut, which also has fade in and fade out functionality.  I 
>> then use an online file converter to turn it into an M4R file.  I 
>> like heavy metal music and have turned a number of classic heavy 
>> metal songs into ringtones.  When my phone rings, a heavy guitar rift 
>> plays from Metallica, Judas Priest, the Scorpions, guns and Roses, 
>> and many others. I am told my ring tones turn heads. 

RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Richard Turner]

I have never found their support very helpful and the program has never 
improved on accessibility.  It takes a lot of tedium to get used to it...

Good luck,



Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 
JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
apps

I just downloaded Waltr Pro and tried it with 2 ringtones which can be done 
with the trial license and since you can now download the required drivers as 
part of the Waltr Pro download it is certainly a lot better than many years ago 
when iTunes had to be installed.
However, I purchased a 1-months universal license which is of course a money 
grab since there is no individiual license for Waltr Pro and you have to get 
the universal license which is also good for all their other product. So far I 
have not been able to activate Waltr Pro however, I clicked on the link to 
activate it in the email I received and it seemed like it went around in 
circles asking me to enter my email so I would get some "magic link" by email 
to sign in, eventually I saw a little one-line message near the bottom of the 
page which said activation could not be completed and to contact support. I 
have done that now and we'll see what happens. There is a place in Waltr Pro 
where it says "I have a license key" and I wonder why they don't just send me 
the license key to paste in there and that would be the end of it. As I said, 
it seems simple enough and hopefully support can enlighten me as to how I can 
activate this, then I'll transfer all my ringtones and alert tones and that 
will be it. It's definitely not worthwhile for me to maintain an annual 
subscription year after year for something I may use once a year for one or two 
tones. I do have a few dozen custom ringtones and text/alert tones so once I 
have them back on my iPhone I won't need the application any more and if in a 
year or two I want to add some more tones I can always buy another 1-months 
subscription. Also, hopefully Apple will add the ability to transfer ringtones 
to the Apple Devices app for Windows, you can do just about anything else what 
one could do in iTunes except transfer ringtones.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kliph
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
apps

No you do not, all you need is a license to WALTRPro, your phone, and the files 
you want to import. It does more than just ring tones. You can import music 
directly into Apple Music, kindle books, iBooks, even keynote presentations. 
Ring tones are just what it is most popular for.


> On Jan 28, 2024, at 7:51 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> But in order to use Waltr2 you still need to have iTunes installed on the 
> computer, don't you?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kliph
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2024 9:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and 
> Garage Band apps
> 
> I second this
> Great program
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2024, at 9:32 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>> 
>> To transfer music and ringtones to my iPhone, I use a program called 
>> Waltr Pro, which has an annual subscription fee of $35.  Nicely 
>> accessible, more so than iTunes, and none of the headaches and 
>> hassles.  For making ringtones, I slice an MP3 file down with MP3 
>> Direct Cut, which also has fade in and fade out functionality.  I 
>> then use an online file converter to turn it into an M4R file.  I 
>> like heavy metal music and have turned a number of classic heavy 
>> metal songs into ringtones.  When my phone rings, a heavy guitar rift 
>> plays from Metallica, Judas Priest, the Scorpions, guns and Roses, 
>> and many others. I am told my ring tones turn heads. They are great 
>> conversation starters.
>> 
>> In highly professional environments, I have the Grateful Dead, Miles 
>> Davis, count Basie bill Evans, and Maynard Ferguson.
>> 
>> 
>> I have found that custom ringtones are backed up to iCloud so when my 
>> phone is restored, the ringtones come back before I need to transfer 
>> them from my PC.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/26/24, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>>> As long as I can still share files and get them on to my iPhone, 
>>> I'll continue to use iTunes.  If there were another way to share 
>>> files and get them on to my phone, I'd use it.  Glad you can make 
>>> ringtones from songs.  That is very 

RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I just downloaded Waltr Pro and tried it with 2 ringtones which can be done 
with the trial license and since you can now download the required drivers as 
part of the Waltr Pro download it is certainly a lot better than many years ago 
when iTunes had to be installed.
However, I purchased a 1-months universal license which is of course a money 
grab since there is no individiual license for Waltr Pro and you have to get 
the universal license which is also good for all their other product. So far I 
have not been able to activate Waltr Pro however, I clicked on the link to 
activate it in the email I received and it seemed like it went around in 
circles asking me to enter my email so I would get some "magic link" by email 
to sign in, eventually I saw a little one-line message near the bottom of the 
page which said activation could not be completed and to contact support. I 
have done that now and we'll see what happens. There is a place in Waltr Pro 
where it says "I have a license key" and I wonder why they don't just send me 
the license key to paste in there and that would be the end of it. As I said, 
it seems simple enough and hopefully support can enlighten me as to how I can 
activate this, then I'll transfer all my ringtones and alert tones and that 
will be it. It's definitely not worthwhile for me to maintain an annual 
subscription year after year for something I may use once a year for one or two 
tones. I do have a few dozen custom ringtones and text/alert tones so once I 
have them back on my iPhone I won't need the application any more and if in a 
year or two I want to add some more tones I can always buy another 1-months 
subscription. Also, hopefully Apple will add the ability to transfer ringtones 
to the Apple Devices app for Windows, you can do just about anything else what 
one could do in iTunes except transfer ringtones.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kliph
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
apps

No you do not, all you need is a license to WALTRPro, your phone, and the files 
you want to import. It does more than just ring tones. You can import music 
directly into Apple Music, kindle books, iBooks, even keynote presentations. 
Ring tones are just what it is most popular for.


> On Jan 28, 2024, at 7:51 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> But in order to use Waltr2 you still need to have iTunes installed on the 
> computer, don't you?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kliph
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2024 9:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and 
> Garage Band apps
> 
> I second this
> Great program
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2024, at 9:32 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>> 
>> To transfer music and ringtones to my iPhone, I use a program called 
>> Waltr Pro, which has an annual subscription fee of $35.  Nicely 
>> accessible, more so than iTunes, and none of the headaches and 
>> hassles.  For making ringtones, I slice an MP3 file down with MP3 
>> Direct Cut, which also has fade in and fade out functionality.  I 
>> then use an online file converter to turn it into an M4R file.  I 
>> like heavy metal music and have turned a number of classic heavy 
>> metal songs into ringtones.  When my phone rings, a heavy guitar rift 
>> plays from Metallica, Judas Priest, the Scorpions, guns and Roses, 
>> and many others. I am told my ring tones turn heads. They are great 
>> conversation starters.
>> 
>> In highly professional environments, I have the Grateful Dead, Miles 
>> Davis, count Basie bill Evans, and Maynard Ferguson.
>> 
>> 
>> I have found that custom ringtones are backed up to iCloud so when my 
>> phone is restored, the ringtones come back before I need to transfer 
>> them from my PC.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/26/24, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>>> As long as I can still share files and get them on to my iPhone, 
>>> I'll continue to use iTunes.  If there were another way to share 
>>> files and get them on to my phone, I'd use it.  Glad you can make 
>>> ringtones from songs.  That is very nice.
>>> 
>>> On 1/26/24, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
 While I find Apple Music to be a wonderful service I’ve been a user 
 since
 2015 it does have its drawbacks.  Fortunately data is not too 
 expensive here in the UK so whether streaming via WiFi or mobile 
 data it’s not too bad.
 However, unless you regularly explore new music you run the risk of 
 paying for albums over and over again.  Then there is the issue 
 when or if you discontinue your subscription you lose access to all 
 your music whereas buying physical media or downloaded content you 
 will still have access to your library.
 Malcolm Parfitt
 
> On 26 Jan 2024, at 14:54, Richard Turner 
> 
> wrote:

Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Kliph]

No you do not, all you need is a license to WALTRPro, your phone, and the files 
you want to import. It does more than just ring tones. You can import music 
directly into Apple Music, kindle books, iBooks, even keynote presentations. 
Ring tones are just what it is most popular for.


> On Jan 28, 2024, at 7:51 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> But in order to use Waltr2 you still need to have iTunes installed on the 
> computer, don't you?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kliph
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2024 9:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
> apps
> 
> I second this
> Great program 
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2024, at 9:32 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>> 
>> To transfer music and ringtones to my iPhone, I use a program called 
>> Waltr Pro, which has an annual subscription fee of $35.  Nicely 
>> accessible, more so than iTunes, and none of the headaches and 
>> hassles.  For making ringtones, I slice an MP3 file down with MP3 
>> Direct Cut, which also has fade in and fade out functionality.  I then 
>> use an online file converter to turn it into an M4R file.  I like 
>> heavy metal music and have turned a number of classic heavy metal 
>> songs into ringtones.  When my phone rings, a heavy guitar rift plays 
>> from Metallica, Judas Priest, the Scorpions, guns and Roses, and many 
>> others. I am told my ring tones turn heads. They are great 
>> conversation starters.
>> 
>> In highly professional environments, I have the Grateful Dead, Miles 
>> Davis, count Basie bill Evans, and Maynard Ferguson.
>> 
>> 
>> I have found that custom ringtones are backed up to iCloud so when my 
>> phone is restored, the ringtones come back before I need to transfer 
>> them from my PC.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/26/24, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>>> As long as I can still share files and get them on to my iPhone, I'll 
>>> continue to use iTunes.  If there were another way to share files and 
>>> get them on to my phone, I'd use it.  Glad you can make ringtones 
>>> from songs.  That is very nice.
>>> 
>>> On 1/26/24, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
 While I find Apple Music to be a wonderful service I’ve been a user 
 since
 2015 it does have its drawbacks.  Fortunately data is not too 
 expensive here in the UK so whether streaming via WiFi or mobile 
 data it’s not too bad.
 However, unless you regularly explore new music you run the risk of 
 paying for albums over and over again.  Then there is the issue when 
 or if you discontinue your subscription you lose access to all your 
 music whereas buying physical media or downloaded content you will 
 still have access to your library.
 Malcolm Parfitt
 
> On 26 Jan 2024, at 14:54, Richard Turner 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> I suspect Sieghard is right on here.
> However, the timing is rather vague.  I found tons of articles from 
> January of 2023 talking about this, but no articles in a year.
> 
> I don't want to risk messing up what is working currently by 
> downloading any of the previews, but I won't be surprised if the 
> switch happens with very little notice or fanfair.
> 
> So, be ready with good backups...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. 
> God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go 
> through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS 
> version 2024.2310.70.400
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 12:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and 
> Garage Band apps
> 
> Then enjoy it while it lasts which most likely won't be too much 
> longer now that the Apple Music, Apple TV and Apple Devices apps 
> are on the Microsoft Store.
> There are plenty of articles which confirm that it is likely Apple 
> will replace iTunes with these apps, maybe this year, maybe next, 
> but once Apple released these separate apps for the Mac, iTunes for 
> the Mac went away pretty quick. Of course at this point you can't 
> do Books or Podcasts with any of these 3 apps so most likely such 
> apps will be coming for Windows first before iTunes goes away.
> There is of course also the fact that you and others who transfer 
> huge amounts of media whether MP3, M4A or Daisy format are a very 
> small minority considering how easy it is to access this stuff via 
> the web and as I read in one article, Apple used to make a huge 
> amount of money from the sale of 

Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Kelly Pierce]

Waltr Pro requires the use of Apple drivers to access Apple devices,
such as iPhones and iPads.  These drivers would be installed if the
end user were to download and install iTunes.  However, these drivers
can also be installed in the setup of Waltr Pro if itunes is not on a
Windows computer.  Here’s a question and answer from the developer’s
website:

“I'm a Windows user. Do I need to install iTunes in order to use WALTR PRO?

No. You don’t need to have iTunes installed on your PC. You may choose
one of these ways to make WALTR PRO work properly on Windows PCs:
•   Install the latest Apple iTunes version on your PC;
•   Download Apple drivers during the WALTR PRO installation process.
Any Windows app that has to access your iPhone (notwithstanding the
model) needs to use Apple Mobile Support drivers. They are usually
installed on your computer together with iTunes. Naturally, WALTR PRO
for Windows has to use these iTunes drivers as well.”


People can find out more at:

http://tinyurl.com/3ewxfj9u



On 1/29/24, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> Yes you do and they state that it does not work with the version of iTunes
> available from the Microsoft store.
> Malcolm Parfitt
>
>> On 29 Jan 2024, at 01:51, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> But in order to use Waltr2 you still need to have iTunes installed on the
>> computer, don't you?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Kliph
>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2024 9:50 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage
>> Band apps
>>
>> I second this
>> Great program
>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2024, at 9:32 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>>>
>>> To transfer music and ringtones to my iPhone, I use a program called
>>> Waltr Pro, which has an annual subscription fee of $35.  Nicely
>>> accessible, more so than iTunes, and none of the headaches and
>>> hassles.  For making ringtones, I slice an MP3 file down with MP3
>>> Direct Cut, which also has fade in and fade out functionality.  I then
>>> use an online file converter to turn it into an M4R file.  I like
>>> heavy metal music and have turned a number of classic heavy metal
>>> songs into ringtones.  When my phone rings, a heavy guitar rift plays
>>> from Metallica, Judas Priest, the Scorpions, guns and Roses, and many
>>> others. I am told my ring tones turn heads. They are great
>>> conversation starters.
>>>
>>> In highly professional environments, I have the Grateful Dead, Miles
>>> Davis, count Basie bill Evans, and Maynard Ferguson.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have found that custom ringtones are backed up to iCloud so when my
>>> phone is restored, the ringtones come back before I need to transfer
>>> them from my PC.
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On 1/26/24, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
 As long as I can still share files and get them on to my iPhone, I'll
 continue to use iTunes.  If there were another way to share files and
 get them on to my phone, I'd use it.  Glad you can make ringtones
 from songs.  That is very nice.

 On 1/26/24, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> While I find Apple Music to be a wonderful service I’ve been a user
> since
> 2015 it does have its drawbacks.  Fortunately data is not too
> expensive here in the UK so whether streaming via WiFi or mobile
> data it’s not too bad.
> However, unless you regularly explore new music you run the risk of
> paying for albums over and over again.  Then there is the issue when
> or if you discontinue your subscription you lose access to all your
> music whereas buying physical media or downloaded content you will
> still have access to your library.
> Malcolm Parfitt
>
>> On 26 Jan 2024, at 14:54, Richard Turner
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I suspect Sieghard is right on here.
>> However, the timing is rather vague.  I found tons of articles from
>> January of 2023 talking about this, but no articles in a year.
>>
>> I don't want to risk messing up what is working currently by
>> downloading any of the previews, but I won't be surprised if the
>> switch happens with very little notice or fanfair.
>>
>> So, be ready with good backups...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA
>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience.
>> God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go
>> through Hell to get it.”
>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>>
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>>
>> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS
>> version 2024.2310.70.400
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 12:18 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and
>> Garage Band apps

Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Yes you do and they state that it does not work with the version of iTunes 
available from the Microsoft store.
Malcolm Parfitt

> On 29 Jan 2024, at 01:51, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> But in order to use Waltr2 you still need to have iTunes installed on the 
> computer, don't you?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kliph
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2024 9:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
> apps
> 
> I second this
> Great program
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2024, at 9:32 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>> 
>> To transfer music and ringtones to my iPhone, I use a program called
>> Waltr Pro, which has an annual subscription fee of $35.  Nicely
>> accessible, more so than iTunes, and none of the headaches and
>> hassles.  For making ringtones, I slice an MP3 file down with MP3
>> Direct Cut, which also has fade in and fade out functionality.  I then
>> use an online file converter to turn it into an M4R file.  I like
>> heavy metal music and have turned a number of classic heavy metal
>> songs into ringtones.  When my phone rings, a heavy guitar rift plays
>> from Metallica, Judas Priest, the Scorpions, guns and Roses, and many
>> others. I am told my ring tones turn heads. They are great
>> conversation starters.
>> 
>> In highly professional environments, I have the Grateful Dead, Miles
>> Davis, count Basie bill Evans, and Maynard Ferguson.
>> 
>> 
>> I have found that custom ringtones are backed up to iCloud so when my
>> phone is restored, the ringtones come back before I need to transfer
>> them from my PC.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1/26/24, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>>> As long as I can still share files and get them on to my iPhone, I'll
>>> continue to use iTunes.  If there were another way to share files and
>>> get them on to my phone, I'd use it.  Glad you can make ringtones
>>> from songs.  That is very nice.
>>> 
>>> On 1/26/24, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
 While I find Apple Music to be a wonderful service I’ve been a user
 since
 2015 it does have its drawbacks.  Fortunately data is not too
 expensive here in the UK so whether streaming via WiFi or mobile
 data it’s not too bad.
 However, unless you regularly explore new music you run the risk of
 paying for albums over and over again.  Then there is the issue when
 or if you discontinue your subscription you lose access to all your
 music whereas buying physical media or downloaded content you will
 still have access to your library.
 Malcolm Parfitt
 
> On 26 Jan 2024, at 14:54, Richard Turner
> 
> wrote:
> 
> I suspect Sieghard is right on here.
> However, the timing is rather vague.  I found tons of articles from
> January of 2023 talking about this, but no articles in a year.
> 
> I don't want to risk messing up what is working currently by
> downloading any of the previews, but I won't be surprised if the
> switch happens with very little notice or fanfair.
> 
> So, be ready with good backups...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience.
> God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go
> through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS
> version 2024.2310.70.400
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 12:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and
> Garage Band apps
> 
> Then enjoy it while it lasts which most likely won't be too much
> longer now that the Apple Music, Apple TV and Apple Devices apps
> are on the Microsoft Store.
> There are plenty of articles which confirm that it is likely Apple
> will replace iTunes with these apps, maybe this year, maybe next,
> but once Apple released these separate apps for the Mac, iTunes for
> the Mac went away pretty quick. Of course at this point you can't
> do Books or Podcasts with any of these 3 apps so most likely such
> apps will be coming for Windows first before iTunes goes away.
> There is of course also the fact that you and others who transfer
> huge amounts of media whether MP3, M4A or Daisy format are a very
> small minority considering how easy it is to access this stuff via
> the web and as I read in one article, Apple used to make a huge
> amount of money from the sale of downloadable music on iTunes, but
> now service revenue which means streaming revenue and revenue from
> services such as iCloud, News etc. is hugely bigger than what
> people still spend on 

RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

But in order to use Waltr2 you still need to have iTunes installed on the 
computer, don't you?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kliph
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2024 9:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
apps

I second this
Great program 

> On Jan 28, 2024, at 9:32 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> To transfer music and ringtones to my iPhone, I use a program called 
> Waltr Pro, which has an annual subscription fee of $35.  Nicely 
> accessible, more so than iTunes, and none of the headaches and 
> hassles.  For making ringtones, I slice an MP3 file down with MP3 
> Direct Cut, which also has fade in and fade out functionality.  I then 
> use an online file converter to turn it into an M4R file.  I like 
> heavy metal music and have turned a number of classic heavy metal 
> songs into ringtones.  When my phone rings, a heavy guitar rift plays 
> from Metallica, Judas Priest, the Scorpions, guns and Roses, and many 
> others. I am told my ring tones turn heads. They are great 
> conversation starters.
> 
> In highly professional environments, I have the Grateful Dead, Miles 
> Davis, count Basie bill Evans, and Maynard Ferguson.
> 
> 
> I have found that custom ringtones are backed up to iCloud so when my 
> phone is restored, the ringtones come back before I need to transfer 
> them from my PC.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/26/24, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> As long as I can still share files and get them on to my iPhone, I'll 
>> continue to use iTunes.  If there were another way to share files and 
>> get them on to my phone, I'd use it.  Glad you can make ringtones 
>> from songs.  That is very nice.
>> 
>> On 1/26/24, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>> While I find Apple Music to be a wonderful service I’ve been a user 
>>> since
>>> 2015 it does have its drawbacks.  Fortunately data is not too 
>>> expensive here in the UK so whether streaming via WiFi or mobile 
>>> data it’s not too bad.
>>> However, unless you regularly explore new music you run the risk of 
>>> paying for albums over and over again.  Then there is the issue when 
>>> or if you discontinue your subscription you lose access to all your 
>>> music whereas buying physical media or downloaded content you will 
>>> still have access to your library.
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>> 
 On 26 Jan 2024, at 14:54, Richard Turner 
 
 wrote:
 
 I suspect Sieghard is right on here.
 However, the timing is rather vague.  I found tons of articles from 
 January of 2023 talking about this, but no articles in a year.
 
 I don't want to risk messing up what is working currently by 
 downloading any of the previews, but I won't be surprised if the 
 switch happens with very little notice or fanfair.
 
 So, be ready with good backups...
 
 
 
 
 
 Richard, USA
 “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. 
 God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go 
 through Hell to get it.”
 -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
 My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 
 Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS 
 version 2024.2310.70.400
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 12:18 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and 
 Garage Band apps
 
 Then enjoy it while it lasts which most likely won't be too much 
 longer now that the Apple Music, Apple TV and Apple Devices apps 
 are on the Microsoft Store.
 There are plenty of articles which confirm that it is likely Apple 
 will replace iTunes with these apps, maybe this year, maybe next, 
 but once Apple released these separate apps for the Mac, iTunes for 
 the Mac went away pretty quick. Of course at this point you can't 
 do Books or Podcasts with any of these 3 apps so most likely such 
 apps will be coming for Windows first before iTunes goes away.
 There is of course also the fact that you and others who transfer 
 huge amounts of media whether MP3, M4A or Daisy format are a very 
 small minority considering how easy it is to access this stuff via 
 the web and as I read in one article, Apple used to make a huge 
 amount of money from the sale of downloadable music on iTunes, but 
 now service revenue which means streaming revenue and revenue from 
 services such as iCloud, News etc. is hugely bigger than what 
 people still spend on actually buying music. I am very much part of 
 that demographic, I used to spend hours in music stores back in 
 Germany in the mid and late 80's listening to vinyl and later CD's 
 and buying them, still very much so here in Canada throughout the 
 

Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Kliph]

I second this
Great program 

> On Jan 28, 2024, at 9:32 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> To transfer music and ringtones to my iPhone, I use a program called
> Waltr Pro, which has an annual subscription fee of $35.  Nicely
> accessible, more so than iTunes, and none of the headaches and
> hassles.  For making ringtones, I slice an MP3 file down with MP3
> Direct Cut, which also has fade in and fade out functionality.  I then
> use an online file converter to turn it into an M4R file.  I like
> heavy metal music and have turned a number of classic heavy metal
> songs into ringtones.  When my phone rings, a heavy guitar rift plays
> from Metallica, Judas Priest, the Scorpions, guns and Roses, and many
> others. I am told my ring tones turn heads. They are great
> conversation starters.
> 
> In highly professional environments, I have the Grateful Dead, Miles
> Davis, count Basie bill Evans, and Maynard Ferguson.
> 
> 
> I have found that custom ringtones are backed up to iCloud so when my
> phone is restored, the ringtones come back before I need to transfer
> them from my PC.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/26/24, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> As long as I can still share files and get them on to my iPhone, I'll
>> continue to use iTunes.  If there were another way to share files and
>> get them on to my phone, I'd use it.  Glad you can make ringtones from
>> songs.  That is very nice.
>> 
>> On 1/26/24, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>> While I find Apple Music to be a wonderful service I’ve been a user since
>>> 2015 it does have its drawbacks.  Fortunately data is not too expensive
>>> here
>>> in the UK so whether streaming via WiFi or mobile data it’s not too bad.
>>> However, unless you regularly explore new music you run the risk of
>>> paying
>>> for albums over and over again.  Then there is the issue when or if you
>>> discontinue your subscription you lose access to all your music whereas
>>> buying physical media or downloaded content you will still have access to
>>> your library.
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>> 
 On 26 Jan 2024, at 14:54, Richard Turner 
 wrote:
 
 I suspect Sieghard is right on here.
 However, the timing is rather vague.  I found tons of articles from
 January of 2023 talking about this, but no articles in a year.
 
 I don't want to risk messing up what is working currently by downloading
 any of the previews, but I won't be surprised if the switch happens with
 very little notice or fanfair.
 
 So, be ready with good backups...
 
 
 
 
 
 Richard, USA
 “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God
 stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell
 to get it.”
 -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
 My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 
 Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715),
 JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
 Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 12:18 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage
 Band apps
 
 Then enjoy it while it lasts which most likely won't be too much longer
 now that the Apple Music, Apple TV and Apple Devices apps are on the
 Microsoft Store.
 There are plenty of articles which confirm that it is likely Apple will
 replace iTunes with these apps, maybe this year, maybe next, but once
 Apple released these separate apps for the Mac, iTunes for the Mac went
 away pretty quick. Of course at this point you can't do Books or
 Podcasts
 with any of these 3 apps so most likely such apps will be coming for
 Windows first before iTunes goes away.
 There is of course also the fact that you and others who transfer huge
 amounts of media whether MP3, M4A or Daisy format are a very small
 minority considering how easy it is to access this stuff via the web and
 as I read in one article, Apple used to make a huge amount of money from
 the sale of downloadable music on iTunes, but now service revenue which
 means streaming revenue and revenue from services such as iCloud, News
 etc. is hugely bigger than what people still spend on actually buying
 music. I am very much part of that demographic, I used to spend hours in
 music stores back in Germany in the mid and late 80's listening to vinyl
 and later CD's and buying them, still very much so here in Canada
 throughout the 90's, but already starting in the early 2000's I started
 downloading music and of course now I have my Apple Music subscription
 which gives me access to just about any music ever made unless it is of
 course some small, locally produced artist. For more or less half of
 what
 a CD cost 30 years ago I can pay my monthly Apple Music subscription and
 

Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Kelly Pierce]

To transfer music and ringtones to my iPhone, I use a program called
Waltr Pro, which has an annual subscription fee of $35.  Nicely
accessible, more so than iTunes, and none of the headaches and
hassles.  For making ringtones, I slice an MP3 file down with MP3
Direct Cut, which also has fade in and fade out functionality.  I then
use an online file converter to turn it into an M4R file.  I like
heavy metal music and have turned a number of classic heavy metal
songs into ringtones.  When my phone rings, a heavy guitar rift plays
from Metallica, Judas Priest, the Scorpions, guns and Roses, and many
others. I am told my ring tones turn heads. They are great
conversation starters.

In highly professional environments, I have the Grateful Dead, Miles
Davis, count Basie bill Evans, and Maynard Ferguson.


I have found that custom ringtones are backed up to iCloud so when my
phone is restored, the ringtones come back before I need to transfer
them from my PC.

Kelly




On 1/26/24, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> As long as I can still share files and get them on to my iPhone, I'll
> continue to use iTunes.  If there were another way to share files and
> get them on to my phone, I'd use it.  Glad you can make ringtones from
> songs.  That is very nice.
>
> On 1/26/24, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>> While I find Apple Music to be a wonderful service I’ve been a user since
>> 2015 it does have its drawbacks.  Fortunately data is not too expensive
>> here
>> in the UK so whether streaming via WiFi or mobile data it’s not too bad.
>> However, unless you regularly explore new music you run the risk of
>> paying
>> for albums over and over again.  Then there is the issue when or if you
>> discontinue your subscription you lose access to all your music whereas
>> buying physical media or downloaded content you will still have access to
>> your library.
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>
>>> On 26 Jan 2024, at 14:54, Richard Turner 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I suspect Sieghard is right on here.
>>> However, the timing is rather vague.  I found tons of articles from
>>> January of 2023 talking about this, but no articles in a year.
>>>
>>> I don't want to risk messing up what is working currently by downloading
>>> any of the previews, but I won't be surprised if the switch happens with
>>> very little notice or fanfair.
>>>
>>> So, be ready with good backups...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard, USA
>>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God
>>> stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell
>>> to get it.”
>>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>>>
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>>>
>>> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715),
>>> JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 12:18 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage
>>> Band apps
>>>
>>> Then enjoy it while it lasts which most likely won't be too much longer
>>> now that the Apple Music, Apple TV and Apple Devices apps are on the
>>> Microsoft Store.
>>> There are plenty of articles which confirm that it is likely Apple will
>>> replace iTunes with these apps, maybe this year, maybe next, but once
>>> Apple released these separate apps for the Mac, iTunes for the Mac went
>>> away pretty quick. Of course at this point you can't do Books or
>>> Podcasts
>>> with any of these 3 apps so most likely such apps will be coming for
>>> Windows first before iTunes goes away.
>>> There is of course also the fact that you and others who transfer huge
>>> amounts of media whether MP3, M4A or Daisy format are a very small
>>> minority considering how easy it is to access this stuff via the web and
>>> as I read in one article, Apple used to make a huge amount of money from
>>> the sale of downloadable music on iTunes, but now service revenue which
>>> means streaming revenue and revenue from services such as iCloud, News
>>> etc. is hugely bigger than what people still spend on actually buying
>>> music. I am very much part of that demographic, I used to spend hours in
>>> music stores back in Germany in the mid and late 80's listening to vinyl
>>> and later CD's and buying them, still very much so here in Canada
>>> throughout the 90's, but already starting in the early 2000's I started
>>> downloading music and of course now I have my Apple Music subscription
>>> which gives me access to just about any music ever made unless it is of
>>> course some small, locally produced artist. For more or less half of
>>> what
>>> a CD cost 30 years ago I can pay my monthly Apple Music subscription and
>>> listen to anything I want wherever I am.
>>>
>>> In any case, the point o fthis post was more about how with this free
>>> app
>>> it is very easy to make ringtones from songs and add them to your
>>> ringtones library right on the iPhone 

Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Joshua Hendrickson]

As long as I can still share files and get them on to my iPhone, I'll
continue to use iTunes.  If there were another way to share files and
get them on to my phone, I'd use it.  Glad you can make ringtones from
songs.  That is very nice.

On 1/26/24, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> While I find Apple Music to be a wonderful service I’ve been a user since
> 2015 it does have its drawbacks.  Fortunately data is not too expensive here
> in the UK so whether streaming via WiFi or mobile data it’s not too bad.
> However, unless you regularly explore new music you run the risk of paying
> for albums over and over again.  Then there is the issue when or if you
> discontinue your subscription you lose access to all your music whereas
> buying physical media or downloaded content you will still have access to
> your library.
> Malcolm Parfitt
>
>> On 26 Jan 2024, at 14:54, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I suspect Sieghard is right on here.
>> However, the timing is rather vague.  I found tons of articles from
>> January of 2023 talking about this, but no articles in a year.
>>
>> I don't want to risk messing up what is working currently by downloading
>> any of the previews, but I won't be surprised if the switch happens with
>> very little notice or fanfair.
>>
>> So, be ready with good backups...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA
>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God
>> stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell
>> to get it.”
>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>>
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>>
>> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715),
>> JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 12:18 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage
>> Band apps
>>
>> Then enjoy it while it lasts which most likely won't be too much longer
>> now that the Apple Music, Apple TV and Apple Devices apps are on the
>> Microsoft Store.
>> There are plenty of articles which confirm that it is likely Apple will
>> replace iTunes with these apps, maybe this year, maybe next, but once
>> Apple released these separate apps for the Mac, iTunes for the Mac went
>> away pretty quick. Of course at this point you can't do Books or Podcasts
>> with any of these 3 apps so most likely such apps will be coming for
>> Windows first before iTunes goes away.
>> There is of course also the fact that you and others who transfer huge
>> amounts of media whether MP3, M4A or Daisy format are a very small
>> minority considering how easy it is to access this stuff via the web and
>> as I read in one article, Apple used to make a huge amount of money from
>> the sale of downloadable music on iTunes, but now service revenue which
>> means streaming revenue and revenue from services such as iCloud, News
>> etc. is hugely bigger than what people still spend on actually buying
>> music. I am very much part of that demographic, I used to spend hours in
>> music stores back in Germany in the mid and late 80's listening to vinyl
>> and later CD's and buying them, still very much so here in Canada
>> throughout the 90's, but already starting in the early 2000's I started
>> downloading music and of course now I have my Apple Music subscription
>> which gives me access to just about any music ever made unless it is of
>> course some small, locally produced artist. For more or less half of what
>> a CD cost 30 years ago I can pay my monthly Apple Music subscription and
>> listen to anything I want wherever I am.
>>
>> In any case, the point o fthis post was more about how with this free app
>> it is very easy to make ringtones from songs and add them to your
>> ringtones library right on the iPhone without ever touching any other
>> device and I find this quite cool and it is certainly something I will do
>> from now on. Many years ago I wrote a tutorial on how to make ringtones in
>> iTunes and boy was it complicated compared to using this Ringtone Maker
>> app and Garage Band.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 5:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage
>> Band apps
>>
>> I'll stick with iTunes.  I use it all the time to get audio books and
>> audio dramas on to my iPhone.  I use the file sharing option in iTunes.
>>
>>> On 1/25/24, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Sorry, forgot to include the link for the app, here it is:
>>>
>>> Ringtones Maker - the ring
>>> app>> 07315> The app is free to use, there is a “Remove Ads” button and for
>>> $2.99 US or
>>> $3.99 Canadian you can support the developer and get rid of ads.
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 

Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Malcolm Parfitt]

While I find Apple Music to be a wonderful service I’ve been a user since 2015 
it does have its drawbacks.  Fortunately data is not too expensive here in the 
UK so whether streaming via WiFi or mobile data it’s not too bad.  However, 
unless you regularly explore new music you run the risk of paying for albums 
over and over again.  Then there is the issue when or if you discontinue your 
subscription you lose access to all your music whereas buying physical media or 
downloaded content you will still have access to your library.
Malcolm Parfitt

> On 26 Jan 2024, at 14:54, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> I suspect Sieghard is right on here.
> However, the timing is rather vague.  I found tons of articles from January 
> of 2023 talking about this, but no articles in a year.
> 
> I don't want to risk messing up what is working currently by downloading any 
> of the previews, but I won't be surprised if the switch happens with very 
> little notice or fanfair.
> 
> So, be ready with good backups...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715),
> JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 12:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
> apps
> 
> Then enjoy it while it lasts which most likely won't be too much longer now 
> that the Apple Music, Apple TV and Apple Devices apps are on the Microsoft 
> Store.
> There are plenty of articles which confirm that it is likely Apple will 
> replace iTunes with these apps, maybe this year, maybe next, but once Apple 
> released these separate apps for the Mac, iTunes for the Mac went away pretty 
> quick. Of course at this point you can't do Books or Podcasts with any of 
> these 3 apps so most likely such apps will be coming for Windows first before 
> iTunes goes away.
> There is of course also the fact that you and others who transfer huge 
> amounts of media whether MP3, M4A or Daisy format are a very small minority 
> considering how easy it is to access this stuff via the web and as I read in 
> one article, Apple used to make a huge amount of money from the sale of 
> downloadable music on iTunes, but now service revenue which means streaming 
> revenue and revenue from services such as iCloud, News etc. is hugely bigger 
> than what people still spend on actually buying music. I am very much part of 
> that demographic, I used to spend hours in music stores back in Germany in 
> the mid and late 80's listening to vinyl and later CD's and buying them, 
> still very much so here in Canada throughout the 90's, but already starting 
> in the early 2000's I started downloading music and of course now I have my 
> Apple Music subscription which gives me access to just about any music ever 
> made unless it is of course some small, locally produced artist. For more or 
> less half of what a CD cost 30 years ago I can pay my monthly Apple Music 
> subscription and listen to anything I want wherever I am.
> 
> In any case, the point o fthis post was more about how with this free app it 
> is very easy to make ringtones from songs and add them to your ringtones 
> library right on the iPhone without ever touching any other device and I find 
> this quite cool and it is certainly something I will do from now on. Many 
> years ago I wrote a tutorial on how to make ringtones in iTunes and boy was 
> it complicated compared to using this Ringtone Maker app and Garage Band.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 5:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
> apps
> 
> I'll stick with iTunes.  I use it all the time to get audio books and audio 
> dramas on to my iPhone.  I use the file sharing option in iTunes.
> 
>> On 1/25/24, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Sorry, forgot to include the link for the app, here it is:
>> 
>> Ringtones Maker - the ring
>> app> 07315> The app is free to use, there is a “Remove Ads” button and for
>> $2.99 US or
>> $3.99 Canadian you can support the developer and get rid of ads.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 1:11 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage
>> Band apps
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I haven’t used iTunes for a long time and on my laptop I have been
>> playing around a little with the new Windows app 

RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Richard Turner]

I suspect Sieghard is right on here.
However, the timing is rather vague.  I found tons of articles from January of 
2023 talking about this, but no articles in a year.

I don't want to risk messing up what is working currently by downloading any of 
the previews, but I won't be surprised if the switch happens with very little 
notice or fanfair.

So, be ready with good backups...





Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 
JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 12:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
apps

Then enjoy it while it lasts which most likely won't be too much longer now 
that the Apple Music, Apple TV and Apple Devices apps are on the Microsoft 
Store.
There are plenty of articles which confirm that it is likely Apple will replace 
iTunes with these apps, maybe this year, maybe next, but once Apple released 
these separate apps for the Mac, iTunes for the Mac went away pretty quick. Of 
course at this point you can't do Books or Podcasts with any of these 3 apps so 
most likely such apps will be coming for Windows first before iTunes goes away.
There is of course also the fact that you and others who transfer huge amounts 
of media whether MP3, M4A or Daisy format are a very small minority considering 
how easy it is to access this stuff via the web and as I read in one article, 
Apple used to make a huge amount of money from the sale of downloadable music 
on iTunes, but now service revenue which means streaming revenue and revenue 
from services such as iCloud, News etc. is hugely bigger than what people still 
spend on actually buying music. I am very much part of that demographic, I used 
to spend hours in music stores back in Germany in the mid and late 80's 
listening to vinyl and later CD's and buying them, still very much so here in 
Canada throughout the 90's, but already starting in the early 2000's I started 
downloading music and of course now I have my Apple Music subscription which 
gives me access to just about any music ever made unless it is of course some 
small, locally produced artist. For more or less half of what a CD cost 30 
years ago I can pay my monthly Apple Music subscription and listen to anything 
I want wherever I am.

In any case, the point o fthis post was more about how with this free app it is 
very easy to make ringtones from songs and add them to your ringtones library 
right on the iPhone without ever touching any other device and I find this 
quite cool and it is certainly something I will do from now on. Many years ago 
I wrote a tutorial on how to make ringtones in iTunes and boy was it 
complicated compared to using this Ringtone Maker app and Garage Band.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 5:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
apps

I'll stick with iTunes.  I use it all the time to get audio books and audio 
dramas on to my iPhone.  I use the file sharing option in iTunes.

On 1/25/24, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Sorry, forgot to include the link for the app, here it is:
>
> Ringtones Maker - the ring
> app 07315> The app is free to use, there is a “Remove Ads” button and for
> $2.99 US or
> $3.99 Canadian you can support the developer and get rid of ads.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 1:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage 
> Band apps
>
> Hello,
>
> I haven’t used iTunes for a long time and on my laptop I have been 
> playing around a little with the new Windows app which eventually will 
> replace iTunes, Apple Music, Apple TV and Apple Devices. Basically the 
> functionality of iTunes which allows you to manage and listen to the 
> various media types as well as provide a device section where you 
> could update/restore your iPhone or add ringtones to be synced to your 
> connected iPhone is now divided up among these apps similar to how it is on a 
> Mac.
> Unfortunately at this stage the Apple Devices app which is accessible 
> for things like updating/restoring your phone, making encrypted 
> backups, turn Voiceover on/off etc. does not include an option to sync 
> ringtones to your device. Maybe it does not yet include this feature 
> as the app is still in Beta testing phase, but either way since I did 
> a complete reset of my 

RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Then enjoy it while it lasts which most likely won't be too much longer now 
that the Apple Music, Apple TV and Apple Devices apps are on the Microsoft 
Store.
There are plenty of articles which confirm that it is likely Apple will replace 
iTunes with these apps, maybe this year, maybe next, but once Apple released 
these separate apps for the Mac, iTunes for the Mac went away pretty quick. Of 
course at this point you can't do Books or Podcasts with any of these 3 apps so 
most likely such apps will be coming for Windows first before iTunes goes away.
There is of course also the fact that you and others who transfer huge amounts 
of media whether MP3, M4A or Daisy format are a very small minority considering 
how easy it is to access this stuff via the web and as I read in one article, 
Apple used to make a huge amount of money from the sale of downloadable music 
on iTunes, but now service revenue which means streaming revenue and revenue 
from services such as iCloud, News etc. is hugely bigger than what people still 
spend on actually buying music. I am very much part of that demographic, I used 
to spend hours in music stores back in Germany in the mid and late 80's 
listening to vinyl and later CD's and buying them, still very much so here in 
Canada throughout the 90's, but already starting in the early 2000's I started 
downloading music and of course now I have my Apple Music subscription which 
gives me access to just about any music ever made unless it is of course some 
small, locally produced artist. For more or less half of what a CD cost 30 
years ago I can pay my monthly Apple Music subscription and listen to anything 
I want wherever I am.

In any case, the point o fthis post was more about how with this free app it is 
very easy to make ringtones from songs and add them to your ringtones library 
right on the iPhone without ever touching any other device and I find this 
quite cool and it is certainly something I will do from now on. Many years ago 
I wrote a tutorial on how to make ringtones in iTunes and boy was it 
complicated compared to using this Ringtone Maker app and Garage Band.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 5:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band 
apps

I'll stick with iTunes.  I use it all the time to get audio books and audio 
dramas on to my iPhone.  I use the file sharing option in iTunes.

On 1/25/24, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Sorry, forgot to include the link for the app, here it is:
>
> Ringtones Maker - the ring
> app 07315> The app is free to use, there is a “Remove Ads” button and for 
> $2.99 US or
> $3.99 Canadian you can support the developer and get rid of ads.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 1:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage 
> Band apps
>
> Hello,
>
> I haven’t used iTunes for a long time and on my laptop I have been 
> playing around a little with the new Windows app which eventually will 
> replace iTunes, Apple Music, Apple TV and Apple Devices. Basically the 
> functionality of iTunes which allows you to manage and listen to the 
> various media types as well as provide a device section where you 
> could update/restore your iPhone or add ringtones to be synced to your 
> connected iPhone is now divided up among these apps similar to how it is on a 
> Mac.
> Unfortunately at this stage the Apple Devices app which is accessible 
> for things like updating/restoring your phone, making encrypted 
> backups, turn Voiceover on/off etc. does not include an option to sync 
> ringtones to your device. Maybe it does not yet include this feature 
> as the app is still in Beta testing phase, but either way since I did 
> a complete reset of my iPhonelast night I was looking for a way to at 
> least get some of my favourite songs back as ringtones.
> After listening to a YouTube video, I downloaded the app the guy was 
> using and found that it is a pretty simple app and it is accessible. I 
> am including a link later. Basically when I opened the app I was able 
> to import a song from my computer into the app which is achieved by 
> entering an IP address into a browser, this takes you to a simple 
> website where you can browse to your song and import it. This worked 
> well and the song was then in the app.
> Here I was able to clip the song so it’s only 30 seconds long and 
> setting start time and end time as well as enabling a fade in and fade 
> out effect was easy to do. Then I tapped the “Make” button which 
> created the ringtone with the correct M4R extension.
> After that I I found a “Share” option under “More” and I was able to 
> select Garage Band which I also installed 

Re: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I'll stick with iTunes.  I use it all the time to get audio books and
audio dramas on to my iPhone.  I use the file sharing option in
iTunes.

On 1/25/24, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Sorry, forgot to include the link for the app, here it is:
>
> Ringtones Maker - the ring
> app
> The app is free to use, there is a “Remove Ads” button and for $2.99 US or
> $3.99 Canadian you can support the developer and get rid of ads.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 1:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band
> apps
>
> Hello,
>
> I haven’t used iTunes for a long time and on my laptop I have been playing
> around a little with the new Windows app which eventually will replace
> iTunes, Apple Music, Apple TV and Apple Devices. Basically the functionality
> of iTunes which allows you to manage and listen to the various media types
> as well as provide a device section where you could update/restore your
> iPhone or add ringtones to be synced to your connected iPhone is now divided
> up among these apps similar to how it is on a Mac.
> Unfortunately at this stage the Apple Devices app which is accessible for
> things like updating/restoring your phone, making encrypted backups, turn
> Voiceover on/off etc. does not include an option to sync ringtones to your
> device. Maybe it does not yet include this feature as the app is still in
> Beta testing phase, but either way since I did a complete reset of my
> iPhonelast night I was looking for a way to at least get some of my
> favourite songs back as ringtones.
> After listening to a YouTube video, I downloaded the app the guy was using
> and found that it is a pretty simple app and it is accessible. I am
> including a link later. Basically when I opened the app I was able to import
> a song from my computer into the app which is achieved by entering an IP
> address into a browser, this takes you to a simple website where you can
> browse to your song and import it. This worked well and the song was then in
> the app.
> Here I was able to clip the song so it’s only 30 seconds long and setting
> start time and end time as well as enabling a fade in and fade out effect
> was easy to do. Then I tapped the “Make” button which created the ringtone
> with the correct M4R extension.
> After that I I found a “Share” option under “More” and I was able to select
> Garage Band which I also installed on my iPhone before, for those who don’t
> know it, this app is a free app from Apple which allows you to create and
> work with all sorts of audio. After I shared it, I opened Garage Band,
> tapped on “My songs” and my ringtone was there.
> Flicking down on the song gave me a bunch of options and again one of them
> was “Share”. After tapping it, I had several options including “Ringtone”.
> When I tapped it I was told the length of the song had to be adjusted, It
> said “Your ringtone needs to be 30 seconds or less and will be automatically
> shortened to the appropriate length”.
> I tapped continue and then had only two options, “Cancel” and “Export”. I
> tapped on export and then when I went to Settings > Sounds and Haptics >
> Ringtones it was right there and I was able to select it.
>
> This method is not as easy and quick as copying a bunch of already existing
> ringtones and simply pasting them into the appropriate section in iTunes,
> but it is not very difficult and one can certainly make some ringtones based
> on songs this way.
> There is also an option where you can select a video from yoru photo library
> on the iPhone if you have one which includes audio. The audio is then
> extracted and you can make a ringtone from this.
> Lastly, you do of course have options in Garage Band to create your own
> music or record yourself if you are a musician, but that is one thing I am
> not.
>
> I will once again leave feedback for Apple in the next little while asking
> them to hopefully add the ability to sync ringtones via the Apple Devices
> app or even better would be if they allows for some other way to simply
> import them from a place like Dropbox or other cloud storage service. You
> can do just about anything nowadays from the iPhone and I am sure iTunes
> will probably be a thing of the past sooner rather than later and this is
> one area where Apple should give customers an option to do this just using a
> phone.
>
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RE: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sorry, forgot to include the link for the app, here it is:

Ringtones Maker - the ring 
app
The app is free to use, there is a “Remove Ads” button and for $2.99 US or 
$3.99 Canadian you can support the developer and get rid of ads.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 1:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Creating ringtones on iPhone with Ringtone Maker and Garage Band apps

Hello,

I haven’t used iTunes for a long time and on my laptop I have been playing 
around a little with the new Windows app which eventually will replace iTunes, 
Apple Music, Apple TV and Apple Devices. Basically the functionality of iTunes 
which allows you to manage and listen to the various media types as well as 
provide a device section where you could update/restore your iPhone or add 
ringtones to be synced to your connected iPhone is now divided up among these 
apps similar to how it is on a Mac.
Unfortunately at this stage the Apple Devices app which is accessible for 
things like updating/restoring your phone, making encrypted backups, turn 
Voiceover on/off etc. does not include an option to sync ringtones to your 
device. Maybe it does not yet include this feature as the app is still in Beta 
testing phase, but either way since I did a complete reset of my iPhonelast 
night I was looking for a way to at least get some of my favourite songs back 
as ringtones.
After listening to a YouTube video, I downloaded the app the guy was using and 
found that it is a pretty simple app and it is accessible. I am including a 
link later. Basically when I opened the app I was able to import a song from my 
computer into the app which is achieved by entering an IP address into a 
browser, this takes you to a simple website where you can browse to your song 
and import it. This worked well and the song was then in the app.
Here I was able to clip the song so it’s only 30 seconds long and setting start 
time and end time as well as enabling a fade in and fade out effect was easy to 
do. Then I tapped the “Make” button which created the ringtone with the correct 
M4R extension.
After that I I found a “Share” option under “More” and I was able to select 
Garage Band which I also installed on my iPhone before, for those who don’t 
know it, this app is a free app from Apple which allows you to create and work 
with all sorts of audio. After I shared it, I opened Garage Band, tapped on “My 
songs” and my ringtone was there.
Flicking down on the song gave me a bunch of options and again one of them was 
“Share”. After tapping it, I had several options including “Ringtone”.
When I tapped it I was told the length of the song had to be adjusted, It said 
“Your ringtone needs to be 30 seconds or less and will be automatically 
shortened to the appropriate length”.
I tapped continue and then had only two options, “Cancel” and “Export”. I 
tapped on export and then when I went to Settings > Sounds and Haptics > 
Ringtones it was right there and I was able to select it.

This method is not as easy and quick as copying a bunch of already existing 
ringtones and simply pasting them into the appropriate section in iTunes, but 
it is not very difficult and one can certainly make some ringtones based on 
songs this way.
There is also an option where you can select a video from yoru photo library on 
the iPhone if you have one which includes audio. The audio is then extracted 
and you can make a ringtone from this.
Lastly, you do of course have options in Garage Band to create your own music 
or record yourself if you are a musician, but that is one thing I am not.

I will once again leave feedback for Apple in the next little while asking them 
to hopefully add the ability to sync ringtones via the Apple Devices app or 
even better would be if they allows for some other way to simply import them 
from a place like Dropbox or other cloud storage service. You can do just about 
anything nowadays from the iPhone and I am sure iTunes will probably be a thing 
of the past sooner rather than later and this is one area where Apple should 
give customers an option to do this just using a phone.

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Hello,

I haven't used iTunes for a long time and on my laptop I have been playing 
around a little with the new Windows app which eventually will replace iTunes, 
Apple Music, Apple TV and Apple Devices. Basically the functionality of iTunes 
which allows you to manage and listen to the various media types as well as 
provide a device section where you could update/restore your iPhone or add 
ringtones to be synced to your connected iPhone is now divided up among these 
apps similar to how it is on a Mac.
Unfortunately at this stage the Apple Devices app which is accessible for 
things like updating/restoring your phone, making encrypted backups, turn 
Voiceover on/off etc. does not include an option to sync ringtones to your 
device. Maybe it does not yet include this feature as the app is still in Beta 
testing phase, but either way since I did a complete reset of my iPhonelast 
night I was looking for a way to at least get some of my favourite songs back 
as ringtones.
After listening to a YouTube video, I downloaded the app the guy was using and 
found that it is a pretty simple app and it is accessible. I am including a 
link later. Basically when I opened the app I was able to import a song from my 
computer into the app which is achieved by entering an IP address into a 
browser, this takes you to a simple website where you can browse to your song 
and import it. This worked well and the song was then in the app.
Here I was able to clip the song so it's only 30 seconds long and setting start 
time and end time as well as enabling a fade in and fade out effect was easy to 
do. Then I tapped the "Make" button which created the ringtone with the correct 
M4R extension.
After that I I found a "Share" option under "More" and I was able to select 
Garage Band which I also installed on my iPhone before, for those who don't 
know it, this app is a free app from Apple which allows you to create and work 
with all sorts of audio. After I shared it, I opened Garage Band, tapped on "My 
songs" and my ringtone was there.
Flicking down on the song gave me a bunch of options and again one of them was 
"Share". After tapping it, I had several options including "Ringtone".
When I tapped it I was told the length of the song had to be adjusted, It said 
"Your ringtone needs to be 30 seconds or less and will be automatically 
shortened to the appropriate length".
I tapped continue and then had only two options, "Cancel" and "Export". I 
tapped on export and then when I went to Settings > Sounds and Haptics > 
Ringtones it was right there and I was able to select it.

This method is not as easy and quick as copying a bunch of already existing 
ringtones and simply pasting them into the appropriate section in iTunes, but 
it is not very difficult and one can certainly make some ringtones based on 
songs this way.
There is also an option where you can select a video from yoru photo library on 
the iPhone if you have one which includes audio. The audio is then extracted 
and you can make a ringtone from this.
Lastly, you do of course have options in Garage Band to create your own music 
or record yourself if you are a musician, but that is one thing I am not.

I will once again leave feedback for Apple in the next little while asking them 
to hopefully add the ability to sync ringtones via the Apple Devices app or 
even better would be if they allows for some other way to simply import them 
from a place like Dropbox or other cloud storage service. You can do just about 
anything nowadays from the iPhone and I am sure iTunes will probably be a thing 
of the past sooner rather than later and this is one area where Apple should 
give customers an option to do this just using a phone.

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