Re: How do I go back to my previous version?

[Mary Otten]

Interesting. I have used thread view for a long time, so I didn't realize that 
turning off wouldn't affect this particular bug.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 8:07 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary, that second bug, it doesn't matter if you have thread view on or 
> not, voice over will still die after sending, regardless.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Mary Otten  <motte...@gmail.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:42 pm
> Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version?
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Kathy,
>> I certainly have said something about it, more than once, sigh. I have also 
>> reported it along with sending examples to Apple. Unfortunately, or 
>> fortunately, if you are one of the lucky people, this bug at least as it 
>> applies to mail, does not seem to be affecting everyone who uses voice over. 
>> I have no idea why. I did some chatting off list with another user including 
>> sending him examples, and going through settings and comparing. He doesn't 
>> have a problem. I do. I have it on more than one device. He does not have it 
>> on his devices. It is especially bad in mail, where I get plenty of emails 
>> which are laid out as though they were tables. Course they're not really 
>> tables, not in the sense that you need to know row and column for data 
>> presentation. It's all for show and lay out. And reading those emails is, 
>> frankly painful. I can only hope that Apple will eventually sooner rather 
>> than later, fix this. I hope it isn't like the thread send mail bug, where 
>> VoiceOver goes away and your remedy is to either wait it out, or turn it off 
>> and on when this happens. That was present through all of iOS 9 and still in 
>> iOS 10.. Of course, not everybody has that one either. Some of us are just 
>> lucky.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Kathy Brandt <katya20...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I sure hope that they fix how elements are red in Safari and messages, that 
>>> you would be able to turn off all the verbiage; it is really annoying to 
>>> me. I'm surprised no one has said anything about this here.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Difficult is relative. You need to find the correct download file for iOS 
>>>> 9 and your particular device. An iPhone will have a different download 
>>>> file than an iPad and there are even different files for different phone 
>>>> versions. One website where these are usually available is 
>>>> http://ipswdownloader.com/
>>>> Once you have downloaded the file you may have to change the extension 
>>>> from .zip to .ipsw
>>>> Once that is done you have to connect your device to iTunes, go to your 
>>>> device area and after tabbing to the "Update" button activate it with 
>>>> Shift+Enter.
>>>> A standard Windows open file dialogue will appear, browse to the folder 
>>>> where your IPSW file is saved, select it and press "Open".
>>>> Your phone will then "upgrade" or in this case "downgrade".
>>>> Keep in mind that Apple only signs previous iOS versions for a fairly 
>>>> short time so you probably have to do this in the next few days, it may 
>>>> still work middle or late next week, but nobody knows.
>>>> Besides all that I recommend against downgrading since you only postpone 
>>>> the inevitable. It is better to learn the new OS and deal with the few 
>>>> challenges which may exist than to go back and then in a year or two when 
>>>> you may need a new device you get kicked from iOS 9 to iOS 11 or iOS 12 
>>>> where things maybe even more different.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Sieghard
>>>> 
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Terri Stimmel
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:27 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version?
>>>> 
>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>> 
>>>> I was wondering, how do I go back to the previous version of nine that I 
>>>> had?
>>>> I didn't even know this was possible.
>>>> 
>>&

Re: How do I go back to my previous version?

[Rajmund]

Hi Mary, that second bug, it doesn't matter if you have thread view on or not, 
voice over will still die after sending, regardless.



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Mary Otten  <motte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version?

>
>
> Hi Kathy,
> I certainly have said something about it, more than once, sigh. I have also 
> reported it along with sending examples to Apple. Unfortunately, or 
> fortunately, if you are one of the lucky people, this bug at least as it 
> applies to mail, does not seem to be affecting everyone who uses voice over. 
> I have no idea why. I did some chatting off list with another user including 
> sending him examples, and going through settings and comparing. He doesn't 
> have a problem. I do. I have it on more than one device. He does not have it 
> on his devices. It is especially bad in mail, where I get plenty of emails 
> which are laid out as though they were tables. Course they're not really 
> tables, not in the sense that you need to know row and column for data 
> presentation. It's all for show and lay out. And reading those emails is, 
> frankly painful. I can only hope that Apple will eventually sooner rather 
> than later, fix this. I hope it isn't like the thread send mail bug, where 
> VoiceOver goes away and your remedy is to either wait it out, or turn it off 
> and on when this happens. That was present through all of iOS 9 and still in 
> iOS 10.. Of course, not everybody has that one either. Some of us are just 
> lucky.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Kathy Brandt <katya20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I sure hope that they fix how elements are red in Safari and messages, that 
> > you would be able to turn off all the verbiage; it is really annoying to 
> > me. I'm surprised no one has said anything about this here.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Difficult is relative. You need to find the correct download file for iOS 
> >> 9 and your particular device. An iPhone will have a different download 
> >> file than an iPad and there are even different files for different phone 
> >> versions. One website where these are usually available is 
> >> http://ipswdownloader.com/
> >> Once you have downloaded the file you may have to change the extension 
> >> from .zip to .ipsw
> >> Once that is done you have to connect your device to iTunes, go to your 
> >> device area and after tabbing to the "Update" button activate it with 
> >> Shift+Enter.
> >> A standard Windows open file dialogue will appear, browse to the folder 
> >> where your IPSW file is saved, select it and press "Open".
> >> Your phone will then "upgrade" or in this case "downgrade".
> >> Keep in mind that Apple only signs previous iOS versions for a fairly 
> >> short time so you probably have to do this in the next few days, it may 
> >> still work middle or late next week, but nobody knows.
> >> Besides all that I recommend against downgrading since you only postpone 
> >> the inevitable. It is better to learn the new OS and deal with the few 
> >> challenges which may exist than to go back and then in a year or two when 
> >> you may need a new device you get kicked from iOS 9 to iOS 11 or iOS 12 
> >> where things maybe even more different.
> >>  
> >> Regards,
> >> Sieghard
> >>  
> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> >> Of Terri Stimmel
> >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:27 AM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version?
> >>  
> >> Hello everybody,
> >> 
> >> I was wondering, how do I go back to the previous version of nine that I 
> >> had?
> >> I didn't even know this was possible.
> >> 
> >> Is it difficult to do? Thank you,
> >> 
> >> Terri
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:20 AM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone 
> >> <viph...@googlegroups..com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I went back to iOS9. I did not like the new iOS much.
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> 
> >> wrote:
> &

Re: How do I go back to my previous version?

[Mary Otten]

Hi Kathy,
I certainly have said something about it, more than once, sigh. I have also 
reported it along with sending examples to Apple. Unfortunately, or 
fortunately, if you are one of the lucky people, this bug at least as it 
applies to mail, does not seem to be affecting everyone who uses voice over. I 
have no idea why. I did some chatting off list with another user including 
sending him examples, and going through settings and comparing. He doesn't have 
a problem. I do. I have it on more than one device. He does not have it on his 
devices. It is especially bad in mail, where I get plenty of emails which are 
laid out as though they were tables. Course they're not really tables, not in 
the sense that you need to know row and column for data presentation. It's all 
for show and lay out. And reading those emails is, frankly painful. I can only 
hope that Apple will eventually sooner rather than later, fix this. I hope it 
isn't like the thread send mail bug, where VoiceOver goes away and your remedy 
is to either wait it out, or turn it off and on when this happens. That was 
present through all of iOS 9 and still in iOS 10. Of course, not everybody has 
that one either. Some of us are just lucky.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Kathy Brandt <katya20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I sure hope that they fix how elements are red in Safari and messages, that 
> you would be able to turn off all the verbiage; it is really annoying to me. 
> I'm surprised no one has said anything about this here.
> 
>  
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Difficult is relative. You need to find the correct download file for iOS 9 
>> and your particular device. An iPhone will have a different download file 
>> than an iPad and there are even different files for different phone 
>> versions. One website where these are usually available is 
>> http://ipswdownloader.com/
>> Once you have downloaded the file you may have to change the extension from 
>> .zip to .ipsw
>> Once that is done you have to connect your device to iTunes, go to your 
>> device area and after tabbing to the "Update" button activate it with 
>> Shift+Enter.
>> A standard Windows open file dialogue will appear, browse to the folder 
>> where your IPSW file is saved, select it and press "Open".
>> Your phone will then "upgrade" or in this case "downgrade".
>> Keep in mind that Apple only signs previous iOS versions for a fairly short 
>> time so you probably have to do this in the next few days, it may still work 
>> middle or late next week, but nobody knows.
>> Besides all that I recommend against downgrading since you only postpone the 
>> inevitable. It is better to learn the new OS and deal with the few 
>> challenges which may exist than to go back and then in a year or two when 
>> you may need a new device you get kicked from iOS 9 to iOS 11 or iOS 12 
>> where things maybe even more different.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Terri Stimmel
>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:27 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version?
>>  
>> Hello everybody,
>> 
>> I was wondering, how do I go back to the previous version of nine that I had?
>> I didn't even know this was possible.
>> 
>> Is it difficult to do? Thank you,
>> 
>> Terri
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:20 AM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone 
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I went back to iOS9. I did not like the new iOS much.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hello everybody,
>>  
>> I was just wondering something. I don't know if anyone will have an answer 
>> for me. I have two accounts set up on my phone. One is my Gmail account, 
>> which I don't use as much anymore. The other one is my Outlook account, 
>> which are used regularly.
>> I've noticed that if I write a message from my Gmail account, from my 
>> laptop, using the web, it shows up on my phone that I have replied to the 
>> message. However, it does it do the same thing with my Outlook account. If I 
>> write a message on my laptop, using Thunderbird, when I look back at my 
>> phone, it says though I never replied to the message. This gives me a bit 
>> confused, because then I'm not sure if I replied to somebody

Re: How do I go back to my previous version?

[Kathy Brandt]

I sure hope that they fix how elements are red in Safari and messages, that you 
would be able to turn off all the verbiage; it is really annoying to me. I'm 
surprised no one has said anything about this here.

 

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Difficult is relative. You need to find the correct download file for iOS 9 
> and your particular device. An iPhone will have a different download file 
> than an iPad and there are even different files for different phone versions. 
> One website where these are usually available is http://ipswdownloader.com/
> Once you have downloaded the file you may have to change the extension from 
> .zip to .ipsw
> Once that is done you have to connect your device to iTunes, go to your 
> device area and after tabbing to the "Update" button activate it with 
> Shift+Enter.
> A standard Windows open file dialogue will appear, browse to the folder where 
> your IPSW file is saved, select it and press "Open".
> Your phone will then "upgrade" or in this case "downgrade".
> Keep in mind that Apple only signs previous iOS versions for a fairly short 
> time so you probably have to do this in the next few days, it may still work 
> middle or late next week, but nobody knows.
> Besides all that I recommend against downgrading since you only postpone the 
> inevitable. It is better to learn the new OS and deal with the few challenges 
> which may exist than to go back and then in a year or two when you may need a 
> new device you get kicked from iOS 9 to iOS 11 or iOS 12 where things maybe 
> even more different.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Terri Stimmel
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version?
>  
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I was wondering, how do I go back to the previous version of nine that I had?
> I didn't even know this was possible.
> 
> Is it difficult to do? Thank you,
> 
> Terri
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:20 AM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I went back to iOS9. I did not like the new iOS much.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hello everybody,
>  
> I was just wondering something. I don't know if anyone will have an answer 
> for me. I have two accounts set up on my phone. One is my Gmail account, 
> which I don't use as much anymore. The other one is my Outlook account, which 
> are used regularly.
> I've noticed that if I write a message from my Gmail account, from my laptop, 
> using the web, it shows up on my phone that I have replied to the message. 
> However, it does it do the same thing with my Outlook account. If I write a 
> message on my laptop, using Thunderbird, when I look back at my phone, it 
> says though I never replied to the message. This gives me a bit confused, 
> because then I'm not sure if I replied to somebody or not.
>  
> Then yesterday, someone told me that when I replied to a message using my 
> iPhone, they got all of the messages we ever wrote.Why in the world would 
> that happen? Is there a way to fix that?
> I don't want to lose any of the messages though.
>  
> Any help, or thoughts, would be very much appreciated. I still don't think I 
> like this new Mail app. But I'm trying to except it.
> Thank you,
>  
> rTei
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: How do I go back to my previous version?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Difficult is relative. You need to find the correct download file for iOS 9 and 
your particular device. An iPhone will have a different download file than an 
iPad and there are even different files for different phone versions. One 
website where these are usually available is http://ipswdownloader.com/
Once you have downloaded the file you may have to change the extension from 
.zip to .ipsw
Once that is done you have to connect your device to iTunes, go to your device 
area and after tabbing to the "Update" button activate it with Shift+Enter.
A standard Windows open file dialogue will appear, browse to the folder where 
your IPSW file is saved, select it and press "Open".
Your phone will then "upgrade" or in this case "downgrade".
Keep in mind that Apple only signs previous iOS versions for a fairly short 
time so you probably have to do this in the next few days, it may still work 
middle or late next week, but nobody knows.
Besides all that I recommend against downgrading since you only postpone the 
inevitable. It is better to learn the new OS and deal with the few challenges 
which may exist than to go back and then in a year or two when you may need a 
new device you get kicked from iOS 9 to iOS 11 or iOS 12 where things maybe 
even more different.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Terri Stimmel
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version?

Hello everybody,

I was wondering, how do I go back to the previous version of nine that I had?
I didn't even know this was possible.

Is it difficult to do? Thank you,

Terri

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:20 AM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
I went back to iOS9. I did not like the new iOS much.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Terri Stimmel 
<icecreamlove...@outlook.com<mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hello everybody,

I was just wondering something. I don't know if anyone will have an answer for 
me. I have two accounts set up on my phone. One is my Gmail account, which I 
don't use as much anymore. The other one is my Outlook account, which are used 
regularly.
I've noticed that if I write a message from my Gmail account, from my laptop, 
using the web, it shows up on my phone that I have replied to the message. 
However, it does it do the same thing with my Outlook account. If I write a 
message on my laptop, using Thunderbird, when I look back at my phone, it says 
though I never replied to the message. This gives me a bit confused, because 
then I'm not sure if I replied to somebody or not.

Then yesterday, someone told me that when I replied to a message using my 
iPhone, they got all of the messages we ever wrote.Why in the world would that 
happen? Is there a way to fix that?
I don't want to lose any of the messages though.

Any help, or thoughts, would be very much appreciated. I still don't think I 
like this new Mail app. But I'm trying to except it.
Thank you,

rTei

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: How do I go back to my previous version?

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everybody,

I was wondering, how do I go back to the previous version of nine that I had?
I didn't even know this was possible.

Is it difficult to do? Thank you,

Terri

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:20 AM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone 
> wrote:

I went back to iOS9. I did not like the new iOS much.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Terri Stimmel 
> wrote:

Hello everybody,

I was just wondering something. I don't know if anyone will have an answer for 
me. I have two accounts set up on my phone. One is my Gmail account, which I 
don't use as much anymore. The other one is my Outlook account, which are used 
regularly.
I've noticed that if I write a message from my Gmail account, from my laptop, 
using the web, it shows up on my phone that I have replied to the message. 
However, it does it do the same thing with my Outlook account. If I write a 
message on my laptop, using Thunderbird, when I look back at my phone, it says 
though I never replied to the message. This gives me a bit confused, because 
then I'm not sure if I replied to somebody or not.

Then yesterday, someone told me that when I replied to a message using my 
iPhone, they got all of the messages we ever wrote.Why in the world would that 
happen? Is there a way to fix that?
I don't want to lose any of the messages though.

Any help, or thoughts, would be very much appreciated. I still don't think I 
like this new Mail app. But I'm trying to except it.
Thank you,

rTei

Sent from my iPhone

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