RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone?
Hello Char, Yes, my comments were based on iTunes 12.4. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cher Bosch Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 2:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Mark- Are you speaking of something available only in 12.4? I do not have 'view as' only view options. Cher -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 1:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Alan, I'm running the latest version of Zoomtext on my Windows 7 PC. iTunes 12.4 has not locked up on me--not once. Your description of the layout reflects my own experience. I don't know about you but, as a low-vision user of Zoomtext, the first thing I do is to disable the album artwork column that is the default music Playlist view. Simply stated, when I select a playlist, I only want to see the list of songs in that list, without any artwork. To have a playlist be displayed without album artwork: 1. Select a playlist. 2. >From the View Menu, select View As. 3. >From the resulting submenu, select songs. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Sieghard and others, I know others have commented about accessibility issues with the new iTunes 12.4 for Windows but my comments below reflect my using it with ZoomText and my remaining vision. Music appears to be the default media selected at the top of the sidebar. This control is actually a drop-down box that when entered, opens to present Movies, TV Shows, Podcasts, Apps, Books, and Tones which were simply listed in the old sidebar. ZoomText announces these after pressing enter and arrowing down the list but it is slow and inconsistent in doing so and I wonder if the other screen readers might be having some accessibility issues with this. When your iDevice is connected via USB cable to your computer, a control for it will appear just to the right of the media drop-down box. When it has focus, below it in a stacked list will be Summary, Apps, Movies, Music, etc. which in iTunes 11.4 were presented as tabs or buttons much like column headings across the top of the screen. I'm still playing with the easiest way to access these items since the arrow keys seem extremely sluggish on my system. The mouse appears the quickest way for those with vision and the tab key I think eventually gets to all the controls but it takes a good deal of tabbing. The only other thing I'm noticing with version 12.4 for Windows on my Windows 7 computer is that iTunes often stops responding and I have to go into task manager and close it in order to thaw out this freeze. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 3:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? I agree, not that I really miss the sidebar, but this sidebar seems to refer only to music, it's not like I see Apps, Movies and so on there, they are still the usual radio buttons and I find this diebar more of a pain in the neck than anything else. I actually think that with the exception of file transfer and syncing apps to your phone the versions of iTunes 12 before this one worked just fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. Best regards, Rick Alfaro -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone?
Mark- Are you speaking of something available only in 12.4? I do not have 'view as' only view options. Cher -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 1:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Alan, I'm running the latest version of Zoomtext on my Windows 7 PC. iTunes 12.4 has not locked up on me--not once. Your description of the layout reflects my own experience. I don't know about you but, as a low-vision user of Zoomtext, the first thing I do is to disable the album artwork column that is the default music Playlist view. Simply stated, when I select a playlist, I only want to see the list of songs in that list, without any artwork. To have a playlist be displayed without album artwork: 1. Select a playlist. 2. >From the View Menu, select View As. 3. >From the resulting submenu, select songs. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Sieghard and others, I know others have commented about accessibility issues with the new iTunes 12.4 for Windows but my comments below reflect my using it with ZoomText and my remaining vision. Music appears to be the default media selected at the top of the sidebar. This control is actually a drop-down box that when entered, opens to present Movies, TV Shows, Podcasts, Apps, Books, and Tones which were simply listed in the old sidebar. ZoomText announces these after pressing enter and arrowing down the list but it is slow and inconsistent in doing so and I wonder if the other screen readers might be having some accessibility issues with this. When your iDevice is connected via USB cable to your computer, a control for it will appear just to the right of the media drop-down box. When it has focus, below it in a stacked list will be Summary, Apps, Movies, Music, etc. which in iTunes 11.4 were presented as tabs or buttons much like column headings across the top of the screen. I'm still playing with the easiest way to access these items since the arrow keys seem extremely sluggish on my system. The mouse appears the quickest way for those with vision and the tab key I think eventually gets to all the controls but it takes a good deal of tabbing. The only other thing I'm noticing with version 12.4 for Windows on my Windows 7 computer is that iTunes often stops responding and I have to go into task manager and close it in order to thaw out this freeze. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 3:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? I agree, not that I really miss the sidebar, but this sidebar seems to refer only to music, it's not like I see Apps, Movies and so on there, they are still the usual radio buttons and I find this diebar more of a pain in the neck than anything else. I actually think that with the exception of file transfer and syncing apps to your phone the versions of iTunes 12 before this one worked just fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. Best regards, Rick Alfaro -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this li
RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone?
Hello Rose, Your response to my post seems quite hostile and speaking both as a member of this list and as its moderator, your hostility is greatly not appreciated. I do not recall ever having posted that anything is perfect. Perhaps you may not realize that I function both as a low vision user and as a totally blind user. This is to say that I use Jaws on my Windows laptops and I use Zoomtext on my Windows Desktops. Just as an aside, Braille is my preferred medium for reading hardcopy text. I believe I posted to this thread regarding my general disappointment with the current accessibility of iTunes for Windows 12.4 with regard to Jaws. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 8:04 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? If you are seeing the screen quit telling those of us who are having problems that it is perfect. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:48 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Alan, I'm running the latest version of Zoomtext on my Windows 7 PC. iTunes 12.4 has not locked up on me--not once. Your description of the layout reflects my own experience. I don't know about you but, as a low-vision user of Zoomtext, the first thing I do is to disable the album artwork column that is the default music Playlist view. Simply stated, when I select a playlist, I only want to see the list of songs in that list, without any artwork. To have a playlist be displayed without album artwork: 1. Select a playlist. 2. >From the View Menu, select View As. 3. >From the resulting submenu, select songs. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Sieghard and others, I know others have commented about accessibility issues with the new iTunes 12.4 for Windows but my comments below reflect my using it with ZoomText and my remaining vision. Music appears to be the default media selected at the top of the sidebar. This control is actually a drop-down box that when entered, opens to present Movies, TV Shows, Podcasts, Apps, Books, and Tones which were simply listed in the old sidebar. ZoomText announces these after pressing enter and arrowing down the list but it is slow and inconsistent in doing so and I wonder if the other screen readers might be having some accessibility issues with this. When your iDevice is connected via USB cable to your computer, a control for it will appear just to the right of the media drop-down box. When it has focus, below it in a stacked list will be Summary, Apps, Movies, Music, etc. which in iTunes 11.4 were presented as tabs or buttons much like column headings across the top of the screen. I'm still playing with the easiest way to access these items since the arrow keys seem extremely sluggish on my system. The mouse appears the quickest way for those with vision and the tab key I think eventually gets to all the controls but it takes a good deal of tabbing. The only other thing I'm noticing with version 12.4 for Windows on my Windows 7 computer is that iTunes often stops responding and I have to go into task manager and close it in order to thaw out this freeze. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 3:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? I agree, not that I really miss the sidebar, but this sidebar seems to refer only to music, it's not like I see Apps, Movies and so on there, they are still the usual radio buttons and I find this diebar more of a pain in the neck than anything else. I actually think that with the exception of file transfer and syncing apps to your phone the versions of iTunes 12 before this one worked just fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. Best regards, Rick Alfaro -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylo
Re: iTunes SideBar, Anyone?
I see your point, but it seems like Apple is not calling good guidelines for making their product as accessible as possible, so that screeners don't have to do the lifting. Anyhow, your point about screen readers and web browser's makes sense. I mean, I Think that the functionality we have between the screen readers and my brothers is just screaming trying to level the playing field. I mean, a sighted person doesn't need a screen reader to be able to go down a page heading by heading, they just scroll down a page with the mouse, and look for different looking text that's bolded or in a different font or something, or otherwise different from surrounding text, and they know immediately that it's a heading. And I know that links are blue and underlined, so that is another visually distinguishing feature for sighted people. I guess my point is that while Scripps are great, Apple should be making iTunes actually accessible, not that they haven't done a good job in the past, so that the Scripps just provide extra functionality, or functionality that's more desirable for some. I guess that the scripts should be icing on the cake, not the cake itself. Am I making sense? Thanks, Ari. > On May 21, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > Hi Ari, > > I beg to differ a bit on this, yes, I think it is of course the > responsibility of Apple to make sure iTunes has accessibility, but it is also > the job of screenreader makers to make sure the experience is the best it can > be especially with such a popular piece of software. Without scripts for > screenreaders the experience we have with many popular software packages > would not be what it is if we only relied on what the makers of said software > are doing. Can you imagine web browsers without the functionality in place > for navigating by headings, finding buttons, edit fields, links etc. These > elements are there and part of HTML, but the ability to access them with > quick navigation keys or being able to pull them into a simple list is > exclusively because of the work done by Jaws and other screenreaders and not > because Microsoft or Firefox has done this. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > englishride...@gmail.com > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 3:04 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Sorry, but it's not the job of the screen reader manufacturers to make iTunes > accessible, it's Apple's; from what I've been hearing about the latest iTunes > update, they've failed rather spectacularly regarding accessibility. Doing > anything with apps has been a problem in iTunes 12 from the beginning. > Ringtones still work like they used to, and I wish apps would go back to > being checkboxes that you could check or uncheck, and then hit the apply > button to sync or remove them from your device. Also, file sharing in iTunes > 12 has gotten really, really crappy! > > > Thanks, > Ari > >> On May 20, 2016, at 10:27 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >> >> Hello Rick, >> >> I spent quite some time using iTunes 12.4 on my Windows 10 laptop with the >> latest version of Jaws. I must say that, while some aspects of iTunes >> remain somewhat accessible, my experience was definitely disappointing. >> >> Now I say this realizing that one's mileage may vary depending upon how they >> use iTunes. >> >> I was certainly able to obtain and manage various resources from within >> iTunes but the overall experience was, somehow deflating, to say the least. >> >> Having said this, I have full confidence in the developers of both Jaws and >> Window Eyes to step up to the proverbial plate on this and smooth out the >> rough-edges. >> >> I am sadden, however, at the fact that those of us who use Windows >> screen-readers can so easily lose access to what has become a vital tool >> even with all of this so-called marvelous technology around us. >> >> I am not going to get on my soapbox, here, but this kind of thing is exactly >> what motivated me to purchase my first Mac 7 years ago. >> >> I am not trying to convert anyone, I'm just saying. >> >> Mark >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Rick Alfaro >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? >> >> Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a >> screen reader's pers
RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone?
Hi Rose, I agree completely, in an ideal world Apple would do all they can to provide the screenreader companies with the tools to make iTunes beautifully accessible and they would work with them well in advance so that once a version is released this is all done, tested and functioning. Microsoft more or less does this since for some time now Jaws had an updated version available when a new version of Windows was released on or before the release. Of course in the past these Windows updates came once every several years and were in the works for a long time unlike iTunes which may release a major update, i.e. version 10, 11, 12 etc. But iTunes has these in between updates which sometimes seem to be changing the look and feel as in this 12.4 version. Anyhow, all we can do is write to Apple Accessibility and tell them about the issues, ask them to deal with them and let them know (in a constructive way) that they really need to address these things before and not after. I do say "in a constructive way" because simply expressing your frustration won't help and they are less likely to take such messages seriously. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 8:12 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? If you are correct then Apple should inform FS about new changes and give them time to make it accessible the day it is offered to the public, we should not have to wait, wait and wait for a solution. We are productive people also, and if something breaks our ability to do what we need we become less productive! Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 7:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Ari, I beg to differ a bit on this, yes, I think it is of course the responsibility of Apple to make sure iTunes has accessibility, but it is also the job of screenreader makers to make sure the experience is the best it can be especially with such a popular piece of software. Without scripts for screenreaders the experience we have with many popular software packages would not be what it is if we only relied on what the makers of said software are doing. Can you imagine web browsers without the functionality in place for navigating by headings, finding buttons, edit fields, links etc. These elements are there and part of HTML, but the ability to access them with quick navigation keys or being able to pull them into a simple list is exclusively because of the work done by Jaws and other screenreaders and not because Microsoft or Firefox has done this. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of englishride...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 3:04 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Sorry, but it's not the job of the screen reader manufacturers to make iTunes accessible, it's Apple's; from what I've been hearing about the latest iTunes update, they've failed rather spectacularly regarding accessibility. Doing anything with apps has been a problem in iTunes 12 from the beginning. Ringtones still work like they used to, and I wish apps would go back to being checkboxes that you could check or uncheck, and then hit the apply button to sync or remove them from your device. Also, file sharing in iTunes 12 has gotten really, really crappy! Thanks, Ari > On May 20, 2016, at 10:27 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > > Hello Rick, > > I spent quite some time using iTunes 12.4 on my Windows 10 laptop with the > latest version of Jaws. I must say that, while some aspects of iTunes remain > somewhat accessible, my experience was definitely disappointing. > > Now I say this realizing that one's mileage may vary depending upon how they > use iTunes. > > I was certainly able to obtain and manage various resources from within > iTunes but the overall experience was, somehow deflating, to say the least. > > Having said this, I have full confidence in the developers of both Jaws and > Window Eyes to step up to the proverbial plate on this and smooth out the > rough-edges. > > I am sadden, however, at the fact that those of us who use Windows > screen-readers can so easily lose access to what has become a vital tool even > with all of this so-called marvelous technology around us. > > I am not going to get on my soapbox, here, but this kind of thing is exactly > what motivated me to purchase my first Mac 7 years ago. > > I am not trying to convert anyone, I'm just saying. > > Mark > > -Original Message- >
RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone?
If you are correct then Apple should inform FS about new changes and give them time to make it accessible the day it is offered to the public, we should not have to wait, wait and wait for a solution. We are productive people also, and if something breaks our ability to do what we need we become less productive! Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 7:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Ari, I beg to differ a bit on this, yes, I think it is of course the responsibility of Apple to make sure iTunes has accessibility, but it is also the job of screenreader makers to make sure the experience is the best it can be especially with such a popular piece of software. Without scripts for screenreaders the experience we have with many popular software packages would not be what it is if we only relied on what the makers of said software are doing. Can you imagine web browsers without the functionality in place for navigating by headings, finding buttons, edit fields, links etc. These elements are there and part of HTML, but the ability to access them with quick navigation keys or being able to pull them into a simple list is exclusively because of the work done by Jaws and other screenreaders and not because Microsoft or Firefox has done this. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of englishride...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 3:04 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Sorry, but it's not the job of the screen reader manufacturers to make iTunes accessible, it's Apple's; from what I've been hearing about the latest iTunes update, they've failed rather spectacularly regarding accessibility. Doing anything with apps has been a problem in iTunes 12 from the beginning. Ringtones still work like they used to, and I wish apps would go back to being checkboxes that you could check or uncheck, and then hit the apply button to sync or remove them from your device. Also, file sharing in iTunes 12 has gotten really, really crappy! Thanks, Ari > On May 20, 2016, at 10:27 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > > Hello Rick, > > I spent quite some time using iTunes 12.4 on my Windows 10 laptop with the > latest version of Jaws. I must say that, while some aspects of iTunes remain > somewhat accessible, my experience was definitely disappointing. > > Now I say this realizing that one's mileage may vary depending upon how they > use iTunes. > > I was certainly able to obtain and manage various resources from within > iTunes but the overall experience was, somehow deflating, to say the least. > > Having said this, I have full confidence in the developers of both Jaws and > Window Eyes to step up to the proverbial plate on this and smooth out the > rough-edges. > > I am sadden, however, at the fact that those of us who use Windows > screen-readers can so easily lose access to what has become a vital tool even > with all of this so-called marvelous technology around us. > > I am not going to get on my soapbox, here, but this kind of thing is exactly > what motivated me to purchase my first Mac 7 years ago. > > I am not trying to convert anyone, I'm just saying. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Rick Alfaro > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen > reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the > old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled > but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused > isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. > > > > Best regards, > > Rick Alfaro > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hello Everyone, > > I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. > > I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar > in iTunes 12.4. (smile) > > If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 > and earlier. > > Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. > > Enjoy, > > Mark > > -- > The following information
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I have to agree with you. iTunes 12 for me has been one headache after another. Using JAWS, no eyes here to see screens. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of englishride...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 3:04 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Sorry, but it's not the job of the screen reader manufacturers to make iTunes accessible, it's Apple's; from what I've been hearing about the latest iTunes update, they've failed rather spectacularly regarding accessibility. Doing anything with apps has been a problem in iTunes 12 from the beginning. Ringtones still work like they used to, and I wish apps would go back to being checkboxes that you could check or uncheck, and then hit the apply button to sync or remove them from your device. Also, file sharing in iTunes 12 has gotten really, really crappy! Thanks, Ari > On May 20, 2016, at 10:27 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > > Hello Rick, > > I spent quite some time using iTunes 12.4 on my Windows 10 laptop with the > latest version of Jaws. I must say that, while some aspects of iTunes remain > somewhat accessible, my experience was definitely disappointing. > > Now I say this realizing that one's mileage may vary depending upon how they > use iTunes. > > I was certainly able to obtain and manage various resources from within > iTunes but the overall experience was, somehow deflating, to say the least. > > Having said this, I have full confidence in the developers of both Jaws and > Window Eyes to step up to the proverbial plate on this and smooth out the > rough-edges. > > I am sadden, however, at the fact that those of us who use Windows > screen-readers can so easily lose access to what has become a vital tool even > with all of this so-called marvelous technology around us. > > I am not going to get on my soapbox, here, but this kind of thing is exactly > what motivated me to purchase my first Mac 7 years ago. > > I am not trying to convert anyone, I'm just saying. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Rick Alfaro > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen > reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the > old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled > but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused > isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. > > > > Best regards, > > Rick Alfaro > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hello Everyone, > > I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. > > I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar > in iTunes 12.4. (smile) > > If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 > and earlier. > > Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. > > Enjoy, > > Mark > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the l
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If you are seeing the screen quit telling those of us who are having problems that it is perfect. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:48 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Alan, I'm running the latest version of Zoomtext on my Windows 7 PC. iTunes 12.4 has not locked up on me--not once. Your description of the layout reflects my own experience. I don't know about you but, as a low-vision user of Zoomtext, the first thing I do is to disable the album artwork column that is the default music Playlist view. Simply stated, when I select a playlist, I only want to see the list of songs in that list, without any artwork. To have a playlist be displayed without album artwork: 1. Select a playlist. 2. >From the View Menu, select View As. 3. >From the resulting submenu, select songs. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Sieghard and others, I know others have commented about accessibility issues with the new iTunes 12.4 for Windows but my comments below reflect my using it with ZoomText and my remaining vision. Music appears to be the default media selected at the top of the sidebar. This control is actually a drop-down box that when entered, opens to present Movies, TV Shows, Podcasts, Apps, Books, and Tones which were simply listed in the old sidebar. ZoomText announces these after pressing enter and arrowing down the list but it is slow and inconsistent in doing so and I wonder if the other screen readers might be having some accessibility issues with this. When your iDevice is connected via USB cable to your computer, a control for it will appear just to the right of the media drop-down box. When it has focus, below it in a stacked list will be Summary, Apps, Movies, Music, etc. which in iTunes 11.4 were presented as tabs or buttons much like column headings across the top of the screen. I'm still playing with the easiest way to access these items since the arrow keys seem extremely sluggish on my system. The mouse appears the quickest way for those with vision and the tab key I think eventually gets to all the controls but it takes a good deal of tabbing. The only other thing I'm noticing with version 12.4 for Windows on my Windows 7 computer is that iTunes often stops responding and I have to go into task manager and close it in order to thaw out this freeze. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 3:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? I agree, not that I really miss the sidebar, but this sidebar seems to refer only to music, it's not like I see Apps, Movies and so on there, they are still the usual radio buttons and I find this diebar more of a pain in the neck than anything else. I actually think that with the exception of file transfer and syncing apps to your phone the versions of iTunes 12 before this one worked just fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. Best regards, Rick Alfaro -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The ar
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Glad you are having no problems! So far, it is horrible on my computer. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jewel Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? What version of Jaws you are using seems to be the linchpin. The latest version of Jaws seems to handle the update without any trouble. I believe that the problem even is affecting NVDA which can, usually, step in when jaws is finding the going too difficult Jewel -- From: "Richard Turner" <richardturne...@outlook.com> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 3:11 AM To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? I've not updated yet because several people who have updated and turned on the side bar report that many lists still do not work with any screen reader. So, I'd stick with what works. Richard “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.” Elizabeth Taylor (Sent from my iPhone 5S) > On May 20, 2016, at 6:51 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Let me ask, when I turn on the Sidebar in itunes 12, will itunes 12.4, work > just like itunes 11? > I'm still using itunes 11 because it's much easier to use when using file > sharing. > > -Original Message- From: M. Taylor > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:14 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hello Rose, > > The option to either show or hide the SideBar is only available when not in > the phone view. Or, > more simply stated, make certain you do not have your phone connected to > iTunes when you attempt > to hide or show the SideBar. > > I know this sounds ridiculously confusing but, nevertheless, it's true. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Rose Combs > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 4:14 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Not in mine, says unavailable. > > > Rose Combs > roseco...@q.com > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hello Everyone, > > I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. > > I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar > in iTunes 12.4. > (smile) > > If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 > and earlier. > > Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. > > Enjoy, > > Mark > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than > posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than > posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.c
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Hi Ari, I beg to differ a bit on this, yes, I think it is of course the responsibility of Apple to make sure iTunes has accessibility, but it is also the job of screenreader makers to make sure the experience is the best it can be especially with such a popular piece of software. Without scripts for screenreaders the experience we have with many popular software packages would not be what it is if we only relied on what the makers of said software are doing. Can you imagine web browsers without the functionality in place for navigating by headings, finding buttons, edit fields, links etc. These elements are there and part of HTML, but the ability to access them with quick navigation keys or being able to pull them into a simple list is exclusively because of the work done by Jaws and other screenreaders and not because Microsoft or Firefox has done this. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of englishride...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 3:04 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Sorry, but it's not the job of the screen reader manufacturers to make iTunes accessible, it's Apple's; from what I've been hearing about the latest iTunes update, they've failed rather spectacularly regarding accessibility. Doing anything with apps has been a problem in iTunes 12 from the beginning. Ringtones still work like they used to, and I wish apps would go back to being checkboxes that you could check or uncheck, and then hit the apply button to sync or remove them from your device. Also, file sharing in iTunes 12 has gotten really, really crappy! Thanks, Ari > On May 20, 2016, at 10:27 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > > Hello Rick, > > I spent quite some time using iTunes 12.4 on my Windows 10 laptop with the > latest version of Jaws. I must say that, while some aspects of iTunes remain > somewhat accessible, my experience was definitely disappointing. > > Now I say this realizing that one's mileage may vary depending upon how they > use iTunes. > > I was certainly able to obtain and manage various resources from within > iTunes but the overall experience was, somehow deflating, to say the least. > > Having said this, I have full confidence in the developers of both Jaws and > Window Eyes to step up to the proverbial plate on this and smooth out the > rough-edges. > > I am sadden, however, at the fact that those of us who use Windows > screen-readers can so easily lose access to what has become a vital tool even > with all of this so-called marvelous technology around us. > > I am not going to get on my soapbox, here, but this kind of thing is exactly > what motivated me to purchase my first Mac 7 years ago. > > I am not trying to convert anyone, I'm just saying. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Rick Alfaro > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen > reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the > old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled > but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused > isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. > > > > Best regards, > > Rick Alfaro > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hello Everyone, > > I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. > > I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar > in iTunes 12.4. (smile) > > If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 > and earlier. > > Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. > > Enjoy, > > Mark > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this mess
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I agree, I just wished someone could write a itunes replacement program that would make it very easy to transfer content to your ios device! -Original Message- From: englishride...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 3:04 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Sorry, but it's not the job of the screen reader manufacturers to make iTunes accessible, it's Apple's; from what I've been hearing about the latest iTunes update, they've failed rather spectacularly regarding accessibility. Doing anything with apps has been a problem in iTunes 12 from the beginning. Ringtones still work like they used to, and I wish apps would go back to being checkboxes that you could check or uncheck, and then hit the apply button to sync or remove them from your device. Also, file sharing in iTunes 12 has gotten really, really crappy! Thanks, Ari On May 20, 2016, at 10:27 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: Hello Rick, I spent quite some time using iTunes 12.4 on my Windows 10 laptop with the latest version of Jaws. I must say that, while some aspects of iTunes remain somewhat accessible, my experience was definitely disappointing. Now I say this realizing that one's mileage may vary depending upon how they use iTunes. I was certainly able to obtain and manage various resources from within iTunes but the overall experience was, somehow deflating, to say the least. Having said this, I have full confidence in the developers of both Jaws and Window Eyes to step up to the proverbial plate on this and smooth out the rough-edges. I am sadden, however, at the fact that those of us who use Windows screen-readers can so easily lose access to what has become a vital tool even with all of this so-called marvelous technology around us. I am not going to get on my soapbox, here, but this kind of thing is exactly what motivated me to purchase my first Mac 7 years ago. I am not trying to convert anyone, I'm just saying. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. Best regards, Rick Alfaro -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://group
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Sorry, but it's not the job of the screen reader manufacturers to make iTunes accessible, it's Apple's; from what I've been hearing about the latest iTunes update, they've failed rather spectacularly regarding accessibility. Doing anything with apps has been a problem in iTunes 12 from the beginning. Ringtones still work like they used to, and I wish apps would go back to being checkboxes that you could check or uncheck, and then hit the apply button to sync or remove them from your device. Also, file sharing in iTunes 12 has gotten really, really crappy! Thanks, Ari > On May 20, 2016, at 10:27 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > > Hello Rick, > > I spent quite some time using iTunes 12.4 on my Windows 10 laptop with the > latest version of Jaws. I must say that, while some aspects of iTunes remain > somewhat accessible, my experience was definitely disappointing. > > Now I say this realizing that one's mileage may vary depending upon how they > use iTunes. > > I was certainly able to obtain and manage various resources from within > iTunes but the overall experience was, somehow deflating, to say the least. > > Having said this, I have full confidence in the developers of both Jaws and > Window Eyes to step up to the proverbial plate on this and smooth out the > rough-edges. > > I am sadden, however, at the fact that those of us who use Windows > screen-readers can so easily lose access to what has become a vital tool even > with all of this so-called marvelous technology around us. > > I am not going to get on my soapbox, here, but this kind of thing is exactly > what motivated me to purchase my first Mac 7 years ago. > > I am not trying to convert anyone, I'm just saying. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Rick Alfaro > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen > reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the > old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled > but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused > isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. > > > > Best regards, > > Rick Alfaro > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hello Everyone, > > I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. > > I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar > in iTunes 12.4. (smile) > > If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 > and earlier. > > Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. > > Enjoy, > > Mark > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. >
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Mark, I'm glad iTunes 12.4 hasn't locked up on you. Maybe it's just my bad luck and it doesn't happen so often that I can't live with it. I agree about getting lists as lists and thanks for the instructions on how to lose the album art. Alan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 12:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Alan, I'm running the latest version of Zoomtext on my Windows 7 PC. iTunes 12.4 has not locked up on me--not once. Your description of the layout reflects my own experience. I don't know about you but, as a low-vision user of Zoomtext, the first thing I do is to disable the album artwork column that is the default music Playlist view. Simply stated, when I select a playlist, I only want to see the list of songs in that list, without any artwork. To have a playlist be displayed without album artwork: 1. Select a playlist. 2. >From the View Menu, select View As. 3. >From the resulting submenu, select songs. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Sieghard and others, I know others have commented about accessibility issues with the new iTunes 12.4 for Windows but my comments below reflect my using it with ZoomText and my remaining vision. Music appears to be the default media selected at the top of the sidebar. This control is actually a drop-down box that when entered, opens to present Movies, TV Shows, Podcasts, Apps, Books, and Tones which were simply listed in the old sidebar. ZoomText announces these after pressing enter and arrowing down the list but it is slow and inconsistent in doing so and I wonder if the other screen readers might be having some accessibility issues with this. When your iDevice is connected via USB cable to your computer, a control for it will appear just to the right of the media drop-down box. When it has focus, below it in a stacked list will be Summary, Apps, Movies, Music, etc. which in iTunes 11.4 were presented as tabs or buttons much like column headings across the top of the screen. I'm still playing with the easiest way to access these items since the arrow keys seem extremely sluggish on my system. The mouse appears the quickest way for those with vision and the tab key I think eventually gets to all the controls but it takes a good deal of tabbing. The only other thing I'm noticing with version 12.4 for Windows on my Windows 7 computer is that iTunes often stops responding and I have to go into task manager and close it in order to thaw out this freeze. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 3:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? I agree, not that I really miss the sidebar, but this sidebar seems to refer only to music, it's not like I see Apps, Movies and so on there, they are still the usual radio buttons and I find this diebar more of a pain in the neck than anything else. I actually think that with the exception of file transfer and syncing apps to your phone the versions of iTunes 12 before this one worked just fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. Best regards, Rick Alfaro -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhon
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Hello Alan, I'm running the latest version of Zoomtext on my Windows 7 PC. iTunes 12.4 has not locked up on me--not once. Your description of the layout reflects my own experience. I don't know about you but, as a low-vision user of Zoomtext, the first thing I do is to disable the album artwork column that is the default music Playlist view. Simply stated, when I select a playlist, I only want to see the list of songs in that list, without any artwork. To have a playlist be displayed without album artwork: 1. Select a playlist. 2. >From the View Menu, select View As. 3. >From the resulting submenu, select songs. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Sieghard and others, I know others have commented about accessibility issues with the new iTunes 12.4 for Windows but my comments below reflect my using it with ZoomText and my remaining vision. Music appears to be the default media selected at the top of the sidebar. This control is actually a drop-down box that when entered, opens to present Movies, TV Shows, Podcasts, Apps, Books, and Tones which were simply listed in the old sidebar. ZoomText announces these after pressing enter and arrowing down the list but it is slow and inconsistent in doing so and I wonder if the other screen readers might be having some accessibility issues with this. When your iDevice is connected via USB cable to your computer, a control for it will appear just to the right of the media drop-down box. When it has focus, below it in a stacked list will be Summary, Apps, Movies, Music, etc. which in iTunes 11.4 were presented as tabs or buttons much like column headings across the top of the screen. I'm still playing with the easiest way to access these items since the arrow keys seem extremely sluggish on my system. The mouse appears the quickest way for those with vision and the tab key I think eventually gets to all the controls but it takes a good deal of tabbing. The only other thing I'm noticing with version 12.4 for Windows on my Windows 7 computer is that iTunes often stops responding and I have to go into task manager and close it in order to thaw out this freeze. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 3:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? I agree, not that I really miss the sidebar, but this sidebar seems to refer only to music, it's not like I see Apps, Movies and so on there, they are still the usual radio buttons and I find this diebar more of a pain in the neck than anything else. I actually think that with the exception of file transfer and syncing apps to your phone the versions of iTunes 12 before this one worked just fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. Best regards, Rick Alfaro -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send
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Hello Rick, I spent quite some time using iTunes 12.4 on my Windows 10 laptop with the latest version of Jaws. I must say that, while some aspects of iTunes remain somewhat accessible, my experience was definitely disappointing. Now I say this realizing that one's mileage may vary depending upon how they use iTunes. I was certainly able to obtain and manage various resources from within iTunes but the overall experience was, somehow deflating, to say the least. Having said this, I have full confidence in the developers of both Jaws and Window Eyes to step up to the proverbial plate on this and smooth out the rough-edges. I am sadden, however, at the fact that those of us who use Windows screen-readers can so easily lose access to what has become a vital tool even with all of this so-called marvelous technology around us. I am not going to get on my soapbox, here, but this kind of thing is exactly what motivated me to purchase my first Mac 7 years ago. I am not trying to convert anyone, I'm just saying. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. Best regards, Rick Alfaro -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone?
Hi Sieghard and others, I know others have commented about accessibility issues with the new iTunes 12.4 for Windows but my comments below reflect my using it with ZoomText and my remaining vision. Music appears to be the default media selected at the top of the sidebar. This control is actually a drop-down box that when entered, opens to present Movies, TV Shows, Podcasts, Apps, Books, and Tones which were simply listed in the old sidebar. ZoomText announces these after pressing enter and arrowing down the list but it is slow and inconsistent in doing so and I wonder if the other screen readers might be having some accessibility issues with this. When your iDevice is connected via USB cable to your computer, a control for it will appear just to the right of the media drop-down box. When it has focus, below it in a stacked list will be Summary, Apps, Movies, Music, etc. which in iTunes 11.4 were presented as tabs or buttons much like column headings across the top of the screen. I'm still playing with the easiest way to access these items since the arrow keys seem extremely sluggish on my system. The mouse appears the quickest way for those with vision and the tab key I think eventually gets to all the controls but it takes a good deal of tabbing. The only other thing I'm noticing with version 12.4 for Windows on my Windows 7 computer is that iTunes often stops responding and I have to go into task manager and close it in order to thaw out this freeze. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 3:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? I agree, not that I really miss the sidebar, but this sidebar seems to refer only to music, it's not like I see Apps, Movies and so on there, they are still the usual radio buttons and I find this diebar more of a pain in the neck than anything else. I actually think that with the exception of file transfer and syncing apps to your phone the versions of iTunes 12 before this one worked just fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. Best regards, Rick Alfaro -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
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Hello Russ, To answer your question, "no." The SideBar in v12.4 is not the same as it is in v11.x. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Let me ask, when I turn on the Sidebar in itunes 12, will itunes 12.4, work just like itunes 11? I'm still using itunes 11 because it's much easier to use when using file sharing. -Original Message- From: M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Rose, The option to either show or hide the SideBar is only available when not in the phone view. Or, more simply stated, make certain you do not have your phone connected to iTunes when you attempt to hide or show the SideBar. I know this sounds ridiculously confusing but, nevertheless, it's true. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 4:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Not in mine, says unavailable. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and y
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What version of Jaws you are using seems to be the linchpin. The latest version of Jaws seems to handle the update without any trouble. I believe that the problem even is affecting NVDA which can, usually, step in when jaws is finding the going too difficult Jewel -- From: "Richard Turner" <richardturne...@outlook.com> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 3:11 AM To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? I've not updated yet because several people who have updated and turned on the side bar report that many lists still do not work with any screen reader. So, I'd stick with what works. Richard “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.” Elizabeth Taylor (Sent from my iPhone 5S) > On May 20, 2016, at 6:51 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Let me ask, when I turn on the Sidebar in itunes 12, will itunes 12.4, work > just like itunes 11? > I'm still using itunes 11 because it's much easier to use when using file > sharing. > > -Original Message- From: M. Taylor > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:14 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hello Rose, > > The option to either show or hide the SideBar is only available when not in > the phone view. Or, > more simply stated, make certain you do not have your phone connected to > iTunes when you attempt > to hide or show the SideBar. > > I know this sounds ridiculously confusing but, nevertheless, it's true. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Rose Combs > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 4:14 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Not in mine, says unavailable. > > > Rose Combs > roseco...@q.com > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hello Everyone, > > I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. > > I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar > in iTunes 12.4. > (smile) > > If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 > and earlier. > > Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. > > Enjoy, > > Mark > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than > posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than > posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you
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I agree, not that I really miss the sidebar, but this sidebar seems to refer only to music, it's not like I see Apps, Movies and so on there, they are still the usual radio buttons and I find this diebar more of a pain in the neck than anything else. I actually think that with the exception of file transfer and syncing apps to your phone the versions of iTunes 12 before this one worked just fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. Best regards, Rick Alfaro -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Thanks, and how weird, because in 11 one of the things I liked was being able to keep the sidebar set on summary so I could see things about the phone when it was plugged in! Apple and iTunes creators could and should have to discover more than albums using a screen reader, and the other day mine said hide this and I did not hide it, did not see it either. I sure do miss my late husband's partial vision, well him took but his eyes did me a lot of favors even when he was very ill. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Rose, The option to either show or hide the SideBar is only available when not in the phone view. Or, more simply stated, make certain you do not have your phone connected to iTunes when you attempt to hide or show the SideBar. I know this sounds ridiculously confusing but, nevertheless, it's true. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 4:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Not in mine, says unavailable. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather t
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Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. Best regards, Rick Alfaro -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I've not updated yet because several people who have updated and turned on the side bar report that many lists still do not work with any screen reader. So, I'd stick with what works. Richard “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.” Elizabeth Taylor (Sent from my iPhone 5S) > On May 20, 2016, at 6:51 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Let me ask, when I turn on the Sidebar in itunes 12, will itunes 12.4, work > just like itunes 11? I'm still using itunes 11 because it's much easier to > use when using file sharing. > > -Original Message- From: M. Taylor > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:14 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hello Rose, > > The option to either show or hide the SideBar is only available when not in > the phone view. Or, more simply stated, make certain you do not have your > phone connected to iTunes when you attempt to hide or show the SideBar. > > I know this sounds ridiculously confusing but, nevertheless, it's true. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Rose Combs > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 4:14 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Not in mine, says unavailable. > > > Rose Combs > roseco...@q.com > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hello Everyone, > > I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. > > I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar > in iTunes 12.4. (smile) > > If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 > and earlier. > > Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. > > Enjoy, > > Mark > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
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Let me ask, when I turn on the Sidebar in itunes 12, will itunes 12.4, work just like itunes 11? I'm still using itunes 11 because it's much easier to use when using file sharing. -Original Message- From: M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Rose, The option to either show or hide the SideBar is only available when not in the phone view. Or, more simply stated, make certain you do not have your phone connected to iTunes when you attempt to hide or show the SideBar. I know this sounds ridiculously confusing but, nevertheless, it's true. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 4:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Not in mine, says unavailable. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone?
Hello Rose, The option to either show or hide the SideBar is only available when not in the phone view. Or, more simply stated, make certain you do not have your phone connected to iTunes when you attempt to hide or show the SideBar. I know this sounds ridiculously confusing but, nevertheless, it's true. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 4:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Not in mine, says unavailable. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone?
Not in mine, says unavailable. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone?
Piece of gets worse as we progress in the 12 cycle. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
iTunes SideBar, Anyone?
Hello Everyone, I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar in iTunes 12.4. (smile) If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 and earlier. Yep, it's true. From the View menu, select Show SideBar. Enjoy, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
