Adesse? I may still have their old yellow newsletters in the attic.
Anybody know who bought them?
Thanks,
Bob
why would IBM want to alienate the traditional VM customer and upset the
VM community as a whole?
Umm ... because they've done it before?
Regards,
Bill Stephens
Sr. Technology Analyst, High Availability
SunGard Availability Services
10th floor
401 North Broad Street
Philadelphia, PA 19108
Phone:
Being an ex-IBMer, and perhaps my opinions are part of the reason that I'm
ex, here are some ideas or opinions. First of all, there is no single,
monolithic IBM. There are many little, relatively independent
fiefdoms. The VSAM development shop in Germany (?) almost certainly has no
Hi,
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:51:54 -0600 McKown, John said:
I guess that I'm wondering if the community could come up with a
functional replacement for VM/VSAM. That would be a nice FOSS project.
TymVSAM. Last owned by Adesse Corporation, I believe. Supports KSDS, ESDS
and RRDS(?) datasets via
Yes, it's a tradition now, don't you know;-)
DJ
Bill Stephens wrote:
why would IBM want to alienate the traditional VM customer and upset the
VM community as a whole?
Umm ... because they've done it before?
Regards,
Bill Stephens
Sr. Technology Analyst, High Availability
SunGard
... First of all, there is no single, monolithic IBM. There are
many little, relatively independent fiefdoms. The VSAM
development shop in Germany (?) almost certainly has no
reporting line to VM development. The org chart would show a
very high and unrelated connection. ...
Jim:
Actually,
We don't run z/VM any more due to ... nevermind. But I do have a
curiousity question. I am wondering how many need VM/VSAM simply for the
VSAM API to a keyed file. And how many really need the VSE/VSAM
interoperability? VSAM, at its base, is a fairly simple API. Duplicating
IDCAMS might be a bit
and z/VM cc
Discussions
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NetMaster/VM! Wow! I have not worked with that product in twelve
years.
At another shop we were heavily into that.
Is it still supported out of Australia?
Jim
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We use CA's TPX, and CONNECT:Direct from Sterling Commerce. Both use
VSAM for their system data files
Regards
Ian
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From: Fran Hensler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 December 2005 13:10
Subject: Re: end of VSAM product on VM?
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:28:02 -0600 Bob
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On
Behalf Of Bob Heerdink
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:28 PM
To: VMESA-L@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: end of VSAM product on VM?
According to IBM: VSE/VSAM for VM (5686-081) has been withdrawn
from
marketing concurrently with VSE/ESA 2.7, i.e. it cannot be ordered
anymore,
effective September
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Subject: Re: end of VSAM product on VM?
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:28:02 -0600 Bob Heerdink said:
Isn't anyone else running VSAM applications on VM?
Yes, we do a lot of work with VSE/VSAM. We don't have VSAM
files in CMS but we access VSE VSAM files
Yes, we use VSE/VSAM too.
This is very worrying news.
Shimon
My customer also uses Connect:Direct and NC Access, both require VSAM.
From IBM they've got Netview and NPM (Netview Performance Manager) that
use VSAM.
Kris,
IBM Belgium, VM customer support
VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions VMESA-L@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on
2005-12-05 15:10:10:
We use CA's
We too are very heavy users of VSE/VSAM. Not only for CONNECT:Direct
but also for IBM's NetView/VM product as well as many CMS applications.
Since one cannot order VSE/VSAM anymore, by implication, IBM is not going
to sell any more licenses of NetView/VM either.
If only it was a requirement to
See http://www.vm.ibm.com/related/vsevsam/
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Same here, we use it for Connect:Direct.
Salvador
Shimon Lebowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, we use VSE/VSAM too.
This is very worrying news.
Shimon
Reed Mullen, z/VM Platform Management suggests we all contact
Gerhard Zierl ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) -- Gerhard has ownership
responsibilities for VSE/VSAM.
By the way, Gerhard tells me that the VM/VSAM code has not received an APAR
since 1999.
.
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From: VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Fran Hensler
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 5:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [VMESA-L] end of VSAM product on VM?
Nancy -
What product are you referring to?
/Fran Hensler
Quoting Bob Heerdink [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
By the way, Gerhard tells me that the VM/VSAM code has not received an APAR
since 1999.
Is that meant to prove the product is not really being used by anyone???
Shimon
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Subject: Re: end of VSAM product on VM? suggested IBM contact
Quoting Bob Heerdink [EMAIL PROTECTED
Subject: Re: end of VSAM product on VM?
I think you need to ask a few questions first.
1) What functions have been added to VSE/VSAM that were not added to
VM/VSAM?
2) What functions are planned to be added to VSE/VSAM that would make
the current VM/VSAM incompatible with VSE/VSAM catalogs
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Sent: Monday December 05 2005 12:38
Right. Simple logic.
No APARS implies perfect code. But perfect code cannot not exist.
Therefore VM/VSAM cannot not exist. That which
We use it for Netmaster/VM
Ivica Brodaric
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Tabcorp Technical Services
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:28:02 -0600 Bob Heerdink said:
Isn't anyone else running VSAM applications on VM?
Yes, we do a lot of work with VSE/VSAM. We don't have VSAM
files in CMS but we access VSE VSAM files with the PIPE NASHVSAM
stage and with REXXVSAM as well as copying VSAM files from/to VSE
Nancy -
What product are you referring to?
/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:24:14 -0600 Marcy Cortes said:
Only because we have your product
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:31:18 -0600 Bruce Nunn said:
Isn't anyone else running VSAM applications on VM?
{snip} and put a tiny-tiny VSE 2.7 system on Flex-ES until the cobol
programers retire or the third-party vendor drops support.
Bruce -
Are you aware of IBM ESL OTC pricing for 8 MIP FLEX-ES
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