Re: Limitless hydrogen?

2005-03-08 Thread Horace Heffner
At 2:14 PM 3/7/5, Jones Beene wrote: Horace, In the US the cost of litigation and medical care also push inflation, as will the falling dollar due to debt financing and trade deficits. I was surprised to find out, when you do the breakdown, that the major cost component (except for new

Health care costs

2005-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
It may be that malpractice insurance and unnecessary tests are inflating medical costs, but the largest cause of skyrocketing costs is quite clear: medicine is much more effective than it used to be. Countless diseases and conditions that could not be treated in the past can now be cured or

RE: Roomba as monster

2005-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
John Steck wrote: I agree with Horace. Why give basic creativity the advantage of years of experience or implantation knowledge. There is such a thing as planting a seed. While there is little doubt to the sincere altruism of the regular contributors, the same can not be said for all the

RE: Roomba as monster

2005-03-08 Thread Horace Heffner
At 10:23 AM 3/8/5, Jed Rothwell wrote: I disagree. Perhaps it does not mean much, but I can dream up countermeasures as easily as I invented the problem in the first place. Of course the countermeasures would not be perfect, anymore than our defenses against conventional crime are. Some people

Re: Limitless hydrogen?

2005-03-08 Thread Jones Beene
Horace I think it starts with government creating or printing money it doesn't have... On that even more basic level of inflation, we both agree... ... and probably you too understand why a warped but updated version of the Wizard of Oz has a little more than passing relevance to the current

RE: Roomba as monster

2005-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: I'll just say it again. You haven't thought this through far enough. I do not see how a world government would be any better at dealing with terrorist threats than national governments are. On the contrary, if a world government resembles the emerging E.U. government, it

RE: Roomba as monster

2005-03-08 Thread Keith Nagel
Hi John, Yet that is precisely what is being suggested, planting the seed. Jed loves his historical ref's; in this case one giant glaring one comes to mind. It was pretty well understand by the beginning of WWII that atomic energy was possible, although whether it could be made into a practical

Re: Roomba as monster

2005-03-08 Thread Terry Blanton
There are many who believe this is already underway. Google 'implant' and 'milab' for returns like this one: http://www.alienjigsaw.com/yk2/milab.html One other point, nationalism is a dinosaur which must ultimately succumb to a unified world. If there *is* a Galactic Federation, we will never

RE: Roomba as monster

2005-03-08 Thread Keith Nagel
Well just about all experts agree the global warming is real, yet it too doesn't exist. I'm beginning to see a theme developing here... When the US government started down the path to Hiroshima, all the books about atomic energy were pulled from the public libraries. I suspect the official

Re: Health care costs

2005-03-08 Thread leaking pen
its true that there is more treatment available, but heres the thing. its NOT that expensive. an average 10k dollar surgery actually costs, in terms of materials and salarya and other overhead, maybe 1500. there is a MASSIVE price increase, because, well, pay or die. and as medical care as we

Re: Roomba as monster

2005-03-08 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - From: Terry Blanton There are many who believe this is already underway. Google 'implant' and 'milab' for returns like this one: http://www.alienjigsaw.com/yk2/milab.html Also, note the steady advance (and hot stock picks) in the field called RFID. Applying

Re: Roomba as monster

2005-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Under the guise of anti-terrorism, and/or anti-crime, within a short time (shorter than you can imagine) we will be implanted, starting with children (via painless injection at birth) with a nano-computer/transmitter/controller. What parent would not want the perfect solution

Re: Roomba as monster

2005-03-08 Thread Terry Blanton
Dunno, I took the blue pill long ago. I agree with you with one exception: the SSN will be displaced by an imbedded IP address in the RFID. Read 'Neuromancer' by Gibson.Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, at least its better than the tank-containmentsituation, seen at the beginning of

Re: Health care costs

2005-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
leaking pen wrote: its true that there is more treatment available, but heres the thing. its NOT that expensive. an average 10k dollar surgery actually costs, in terms of materials and salarya and other overhead, maybe 1500. there is a MASSIVE price increase, because, well, pay or die. and as

Re: Health care costs

2005-03-08 Thread leaking pen
its not just that. the hospitals themselves inflate costs. ambulance services, they charge outrageous rates, such as 50 dollars for a 1.50 triangular bandage. why? becuase the INSUREANCE companies are going to pay for it. they know theyll get their money. On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:48:16 -0500,

Re: Health care costs

2005-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
leaking pen wrote: its not just that. the hospitals themselves inflate costs. ambulance services, they charge outrageous rates, such as 50 dollars for a 1.50 triangular bandage. why? becuase the INSUREANCE companies are going to pay for it. they know theyll get their money. Right, of course. But

Re: Bethe Dead at 98

2005-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: He said the sun is powered by fusion: He was probably right, too. I was going to comment on this. It is astounding to think that the person who first figured out how the Sun works was still alive in 2005. This shows how short the history of science has been. The most

Re: Health care costs - outsourcing is working

2005-03-08 Thread leaking pen
the funny part is, thats not actually a joke. there IS a lot of outsourcing going on, and people here in the us making scads of cash, the ones that could actually afford the treatment here find it cheaper to fly overseas, where they can also get procedures done that arent yet fda approved, thus

FW: The Alchemist Newsletter from ChemWeb.com

2005-03-08 Thread Akira Kawasaki
Title: The Alchemist - March 2005 Akira Kawasaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink Revolves Around You. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Akira Kawasaki Sent: 3/8/2005 1:28:58 PM Subject: The Alchemist Newsletter from ChemWeb.com Mar 8, 2005 In The

Re: Bethe Dead at 98

2005-03-08 Thread Steven Krivit
Horgan say we have reached the end of science already, and they are doing their level best to fulfill this prophesy. Fleischmann thinks they will win. I hope not, but I don't know. Yes, Martin sure does. Posted last night: http://newenergytimes.com/Conversations/FleischmannByLietz.htm s

Re: Health care costs - outsourcing is working

2005-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
leaking pen wrote: the funny part is, thats not actually a joke. Not a joke at all. It is becoming quite common, and people who have been to India recommend it. . . . there IS a lot of outsourcing going on, and people here in the us making scads of cash, the ones that could actually afford the

Progress in brain implants

2005-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: This is very serious... and expected. We all have distinct brain waves that are well-correlated with such things a pain, fear, self-assurance, deep meditation, love, hate, and so on... one can suspect that with future advances in EM transmitters, that these brain-waves can be

Re: Health care costs - outsourcing is working

2005-03-08 Thread leaking pen
for those that can afford even that. most are simply going without, or with what they can get through medicare/ medicaid. On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 16:27:19 -0500, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: leaking pen wrote: the funny part is, thats not actually a joke. Not a joke at all. It is

Re: Progress in brain implants

2005-03-08 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell Oh come now. That's a huge stretch! There is no proof that you can control minds with this method, and even if you could it might take centuries to achieve such results. Au contraire, not only good evidence, but old good evidence form

RE: Roomba as monster

2005-03-08 Thread John Steck
Bet you that same grandfathering logic won't help you when you are pulled over for speeding "but officer, I've been speeding through here for years without getting pulled over!". Just because some nut ball hasn't taken the idea and run with it yet does not meanno oneever will. How bad

Re: Limitless hydrogen?

2005-03-08 Thread thomas malloy
Jones Beene posted; G On a lighter note, does writing about silicides mean that one has a silly-side, and/or does a silicide-joke cause one to laugh to death? Who says that scientists don't have a sense of humor? Given what it costs to drill such a well, $5 gas equivalent seems about right. I