Re: [Vo]: Russ George challenges Branson on ABC

2007-03-04 Thread Wesley Bruce
David Thomson wrote: Hi Wesley, There are good arguments that some of the dating is wrong for most deposits and fossils. I don't dispute the dating process may be flawed, but what does that have to do with the quantity and variety of fauna and flora? Either the fossils exist or

Re: [Vo]: To Paul Lowrance

2007-03-04 Thread Philip Winestone
Sorry for barging into someone else's letter... A quick question: We all seem to be fixated on excess energy. What if one of the many innovative (or potentially innovative) ideas were to result in an engine (a fairly simple engine) of some sort that ***didn't*** produce excess energy, but

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-03-04 Thread Nick Palmer
Steven A Lawrence wrote:- Actually we're supposed to exercise a bit of restraint on this list and not shoot too many holes in theories even if they look like easy targets. At least, that's my understanding of the Vortex rules -- it's supposed to be a safe place to air ideas which are not fully

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-04 Thread John Berry
On 3/4/07, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip OK so far? (Note that we didn't need gamma for anything here -- I just used the metric to find the proper distances.) I think we can stick to thought experiments and dump equations. Einstein said he didn't understand his theory

RE: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-04 Thread Stiffler Scientific
You enjoy the MIB part don't you? In all reality I don't believe they pay any attention to some one making claims unless there is a device or their expert University advisors get nervous. For the most part they sit back drink coffee and Red Bull, each donuts and get a big chuckle from all the

[Vo]: H2O2 Stability

2007-03-04 Thread Stiffler Scientific
This is right up the Jones alley :-) Jones; you mention in the last post H2O2 again and I know that is your preferred fuel? :-) Is there, I have looked, a commercial method to produce peroxide via a water electrolysis cell? What I see is that it is for the most part mass produced by reaction?

[Vo]: Re: Loop closed?

2007-03-04 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Michel Jullian Say we have an insulated hot water reservoir, pre-heated by a joule heater (used only to start the process), as the hot source, and ambient air as the cold source. An average efficiency Sterling engine (efficiency=40% conservatively, say 1000W

Re: [Vo]: To Paul Lowrance

2007-03-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nick Palmer wrote: Steven A Lawrence wrote:- Actually we're supposed to exercise a bit of restraint on this list and not shoot too many holes in theories even if they look like easy targets. At least, that's my understanding of the Vortex rules -- it's supposed to be a safe place to air

Re: [Vo]: H2O2 Stability

2007-03-04 Thread Jones Beene
Ron, Because of the unstable nature of H2O2 does not the yield have to be very high in a water cell in order to gain a significant amount? I have been getting some flak from associates for posting too much detail on this already. Our process is intended to go into the public domain soon -

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed?

2007-03-04 Thread Jones Beene
oops... sorry for all the typos. My technical editor doesn't work on the weekends g In other words, the starting premise is so incorrect in reality, as to slant the whole argument - but curiously I will say this - if anyone can provide me with a Stirling engine which does, in fact, have a

RE: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-04 Thread David Thomson
Hi Stephen, I have some issues with some of the things you say about relativity here. Einstein published more than one paper in 1905. The one which is generally considered to be the seminal paper on SR was On The Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies and it covers a great deal more than the

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-04 Thread Harry Veeder
What happens when you begin to use the hot water? Harry Stiffler Scientific wrote: You enjoy the MIB part don't you? In all reality I don't believe they pay any attention to some one making claims unless there is a device or their expert University advisors get nervous. For the most part

Re: [Vo]: To Paul Lowrance

2007-03-04 Thread Harry Veeder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can show you proof that it's possible to capture energy from ambient temperature. I'll post this information in a new thread titled Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy. You know how to get ice cubes to melt at room temperature?! Harry

[Vo]: Free Energy NOW!!

2007-03-04 Thread Jones Beene
Jed will appreciate the new Steve Jones warm fusion invention. http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Steven_E._Jones_Solar_Funnel_for_Cooking Hey - it IS fusion powered, no?

Re: [Vo]: Hysteria over Window Motor

2007-03-04 Thread Terry Blanton
On 2/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One in this industry cannot help think this is a fraud. Let's hope it's the smoking gun. Unfortunately, it turns out that Mike hid a battery in his SSR. Busted! Terry

[Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, This email will describe the simplest (as far as I know) method of capturing and storing ambient temperature energy. Hopefully those wanting to reply could first read the entire email since I'll address various possible questions later in this email. I was hoping at least someone would

[Vo]: Oil and Wind Mix

2007-03-04 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/03/02/two_oil_giants_plunge_into_the_wind_business/ http://snipurl.com/1bzxu Two oil giants plunge into the wind business By John Donnelly, Globe Staff | March 2, 2007 WASHINGTON -- Two of the world's leading oil producers have

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-04 Thread Jones Beene
Lets consider photovoltaic cells. Even at room temperature in complete darkness (no solar) there are visible light photons striking the cell. I calculate a 10 cm x 10 cm common solar cell would generate roughly 1E-30 volts. Not much voltage, lol, but still something nonetheless. Well

Re: [Vo]: To Paul Lowrance

2007-03-04 Thread thomas malloy
Philip Winestone wrote: A quick question: We all seem to be fixated on excess energy. What if one of the many innovative (or potentially innovative) ideas were to result in an engine (a fairly simple engine) of some sort that ***didn't*** produce excess energy, but did have an overall

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jones Beene wrote: Lets consider photovoltaic cells. Even at room temperature in complete darkness (no solar) there are visible light photons striking the cell. I calculate a 10 cm x 10 cm common solar cell would generate roughly 1E-30 volts. Not much voltage, lol, but still something

[Vo]: Re: Loop closed?

2007-03-04 Thread norman horwood
Harry Veeder wrote: What happens when you begin to use the hot water? Harry It may be of interest to the proponents of heat pumps to hear of my experience of using a system in my 1st house in 1956! The system was built by Ferranti - a major electrical manufacturer in England - marketed

Re: [Vo]: Hysteria over Window Motor

2007-03-04 Thread Terry Blanton
I should point out that it is John Bendini's lab that demonstrated how the battery might have been used. Noone can reach Mike to verify he was hoaxing the motor. Terry On 3/4/07, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One in this

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed?

2007-03-04 Thread Jones Beene
norman horwood wrote: The lesson here as I see it is to forget trying to balance out the hot/cold heat flows with a simple thermostat set-up, and rely on the inherent COP of heat pumps utilising a large enough source of heat to remove any possibility of imbalance. Ha! ... but had they

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-04 Thread Harry Veeder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was hoping at least someone would have answered my previously posted question to nail down their stance if they believe it's possible to capture and store energy taken from ambient temperature. Since nobody posted his or her stance I'll just go ahead and post

[Vo]: RE: H2O2 Stability

2007-03-04 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Jones; That more or less answers what I was looking for, I guess the concentrations are so low and the species does not exist long enough that an Iodide Test offers great enough sensitivity? One last question, at what point in your process are you able to detect the product, right after

Re: [Vo]: H2O2 Stability

2007-03-04 Thread Jones Beene
Ron, The starch iodide strip will work, but the problem is that colloid is itself so dark in color it distorts the apparent concentration. IOW it would would stain the strip even if there was nothing there but greener rather than bluer, so that it gives the impression of a higher

Re: [Vo]: H2O2 Stability

2007-03-04 Thread Jones Beene
Meant to say all the colloid stays in the reactor Since little colloid stays in the reactor

[Vo]: Re: Loop closed?

2007-03-04 Thread norman horwood
Jones wrote Ha! ... but had they only known about the miracle Stirling engine, the one which is supposedly 40% efficient with that kind of heat, then they could have diverted the hot water flow in the summer months to the Stirling, and used the power generated from it to offset the normal grid

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-04 Thread Michel Jullian
When you begin to use the heat from the hot reservoir (launch the Sterling) it would tend to cool down from the thermal watts you draw from it, but since simultaneously you pour more thermal watts into it than you draw from it it heats up instead, with the extra heat coming from ambient air.

[Vo]: the Aether

2007-03-04 Thread thomas malloy
I forwarded the email below, along with this comment to Hal Puthoff, who is interested in reading what David Thomsom or Steven has published on the Aether. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email raises some good questions about the Aether. Richard Hoagland of Enterprise

Re: [Vo]: Hysteria over Window Motor

2007-03-04 Thread leaking pen
i cant get the video to play. how long does he discharge? electrolytic caps have a discharge cycle, if its a quick flash, theres still some juice in there. On 2/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: On 2/17/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time

Re: [Vo]: Hysteria over Window Motor

2007-03-04 Thread John Berry
For several seconds On 3/5/07, leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i cant get the video to play. how long does he discharge? electrolytic caps have a discharge cycle, if its a quick flash, theres still some juice in there. On 2/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Blanton

[Vo]: Diode array 070304

2007-03-04 Thread Charles M. Brown
The Johnson noise produced in resistors is A.C. which will have an average voltage of zero. A group of resistors will have act like one equivalent resistor. Diodes in consistent alignment parallel will conduct more Johnson noise current and less voltage when the internal electrons move from

RE: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-04 Thread StifflerScientific
For some simple examples of man on the street units, take a loog at the following. http://tristate.apogee.net/et/evthcop.asp http://www.heatpumpcentre.org/About_heat_pumps/HP_performance.asp http://tva.apogee.net/res/rehcop.asp -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-04 Thread Harry Veeder
I mean besides keeping the same water warm. e.g. what happens when you begin to use the hot water for washing? Harry Michel Jullian wrote: When you begin to use the heat from the hot reservoir (launch the Sterling) it would tend to cool down from the thermal watts you draw from it, but since

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-04 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
John Berry wrote: On 3/4/07, *Stephen A. Lawrence* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip OK so far? (Note that we didn't need gamma for anything here -- I just used the metric to find the proper distances.) I think we can stick to thought experiments

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-04 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
David Thomson wrote: Hi Stephen, I have some issues with some of the things you say about relativity here. Einstein published more than one paper in 1905. The one which is generally considered to be the seminal paper on SR was On The Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies and it covers a

[Vo]: Re: Steorn Public Demonstration

2007-03-04 Thread Michel Jullian
Maybe they haven't raised enough millions from investors yet? :) http://steorntracker.blogspot.com/2007/03/busy-day-in-forums.html Michel - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: [Vo]: Steorn