RE: [Vo]:Obama visiting MIT to discuss energy

2009-10-22 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
I was visiting a lab in Cambridge and met a senior, well-respected, and highly intelligent researcher who had at MIT unsuccessfully tried to replicate the original CF experiments. He was now quite dismissive of the possibility of CF advances and clearly wanted to keep distance between himself and

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:The Strange World of “Cold Fusion”

2009-10-22 Thread Michel Jullian
Thanks for this very interesting report Steven. Summary (correct me if I misunderstood) : - Dardik's SuperWaves are a scam, their application to CF is entirely PR stuff based on concepts stolen from the Widom Larsen theory for CF. - McKubre and Fleishmann support Dardik and SuperWaves because

Re: [Vo]:Obama visiting MIT to discuss energy

2009-10-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lawrence de Bivort wrote: I was visiting a lab in Cambridge and met a senior, well-respected, and highly intelligent researcher who had at MIT unsuccessfully tried to replicate the original CF experiments. He was now quite dismissive of the possibility of CF advances and clearly wanted to

Re: [Vo]:Obama visiting MIT to discuss energy

2009-10-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: If he reads carefully he will probably learn why his own experiment failed. If he is not willing to do this, he is not a scientist. I am not being flippant. It is understandable that a person ranks his own experiment highly, but it irks me when a researcher holds his own work to be

RE: [Vo]:Obama visiting MIT to discuss energy

2009-10-22 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
Like it or not, he IS a scientist, and quite prominently respected as one. And more than that, he is an influential scientist. And, yes, he reached the point where he doesn't want to hear anything new about CF. Specifically, he pointed out that he doesn't have a lot of free time and must put

Re: [Vo]:Vu1 ESL lighting technology

2009-10-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: The heavy hydrogen in the seas can drive all our machines, heat all our cities, for as far ahead as we can imagine. If, as is perfectly possible, we are short of energy two generations from now, it will be through our own incompetence. We will be like If my invention

[Vo]:Gravity role in fusion

2009-10-22 Thread Horace Heffner
This is to examine the feasibility that gravity has a role in fusion at some distance. The Coulomb force between two particles is: Fc = Cc * q1 * q2 / r^2 where Cc is the Coulomb constant 8.99x10^9 m/F, the charge q1 or q2 of a particle is typically +-1.602x10^-19 C, and r is the

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:The Strange World of “Cold Fusion”

2009-10-22 Thread Steven Krivit
Michel, Your summary is yours, I really can't and don't wish to comment on that. Thank you for alerting me to the typo. Steve At 11:58 PM 10/21/2009, you wrote: Thanks for this very interesting report Steven. Summary (correct me if I misunderstood) : - Dardik's SuperWaves are a scam,

RE: [Vo]:Obama visiting MIT to discuss energy

2009-10-22 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
Jed, and others, thanks for your responses. I wasn't clear. My apologies. This person does not rank his own early research as being either superior or definitive or adequate. Indeed, he agreed that his effort had been tentative and sandwiched in among other research, that it may well have been

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:The Strange World of “Cold Fusion”

2009-10-22 Thread Steven Krivit
At 07:08 AM 10/22/2009, you wrote: Steven, The summary of your article provided by Michel Jullian (below) shows the impression your style creates. You are not helping yourself or the field by this approach. First of all, some of your facts are wrong. Mckubre is not on the nominating committee

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:The Strange World of “Cold F usion”

2009-10-22 Thread Steven Krivit
Hi Ed, With all due respects, you do not seem to understand the fact that, as a journalist, I posted my writing publicly and openly and that, as I journalist - serving the broader public - I expect to keep things public and open. Please do not fail to distinguish your communications with

RE: [Vo]:Obama visiting MIT to discuss energy

2009-10-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lawrence de Bivort wrote: Like it or not, he IS a scientist, and quite prominently respected as one. And more than that, he is an influential scientist. No. As I shall show below, when the subject of cold fusion comes up, this person suddenly stops being a scientist. And, yes, he reached

[Vo]:The Strange World of “Cold Fusion”

2009-10-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Krivit wrote: With all due respects, you do not seem to understand the fact that, as a journalist, I posted my writing publicly and openly and that, as I journalist - serving the broader public - I expect to keep things public and open. Krivit's report is made-up nonsense plus some

Re: [Vo]:The Strange World of “Cold Fusion”

2009-10-22 Thread Steven Krivit
Jed, You wish it was made-up. Fact is, I suck at nonfiction. Almost failed my creative writing classes in high school. Have a real nice day. Steve At 10:37 AM 10/22/2009, you wrote: Steven Krivit wrote: With all due respects, you do not seem to understand the fact that, as a journalist,

Re: [Vo]:The Strange World of “Cold Fusion”

2009-10-22 Thread Steven Krivit
Uhh..no, that was supposed to say fiction not nonfiction. Where's Michel Julian to proof my posts when I need him? ;) Jed, You wish it was made-up. Fact is, I suck at fiction. Almost failed my creative writing classes in high school. Have a real nice day. Steve At 10:37 AM 10/22/2009,

RE: [Vo]:Obama visiting MIT to discuss energy

2009-10-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
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Re: [Vo]:The Strange World of “Cold Fusion”

2009-10-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Krivit wrote: You wish it was made-up. Fact is, I suck at fiction. Almost failed my creative writing classes in high school. This is probably not a serious comment . . . But in any case, an inability to write fiction is no indication that you are good at writing non-fiction. On the

RE: [Vo]:Obama visiting MIT to discuss energy

2009-10-22 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
Jed, I will leave you to your certainties regarding the person I have been apparently unsuccessfully trying to describe. As you say, sometimes it is just not possible to change a person's mind. I have not read Ed's book, but have Beaudette's and yours. I don't think books will do I what I

RE: [Vo]:Obama visiting MIT to discuss energy

2009-10-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lawrence de Bivort wrote: Jed, I will leave you to your certainties regarding the person I have been apparently unsuccessfully trying to describe. Of course I am merely speculating about this person. I am describing other people I have encountered who are similar: good, smart and credible

Re: [Vo]:Obama visiting MIT to discuss energy

2009-10-22 Thread FZNIDARSIC
October 21, 2009 TO: President Barrack Obama 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW Washington DC20500 FROM: Frank I was pleased to hear that you visited MIT to discuss new energy. I hope you meet with Professor Peter Hegelstein and discussed his work with “low level nuclear reactions“. A

Re: [Vo]:Obama visiting MIT to discuss energy

2009-10-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Aya's blog describing the visit: http://ayarothwell.blogspot.com/search/label/Also%20no%20one%20can%20get%20into%20the%20building%20for%20most%20of%20Friday Full text: I was wondering why there were groups of men in black suits walking around the hallways, earlier this week. And now I know.

Re: [Vo]:The Strange World of “Cold Fusion”

2009-10-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:37 PM 10/22/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: Steven Krivit wrote: With all due respects, you do not seem to understand the fact that, as a journalist, I posted my writing publicly and openly and that, as I journalist - serving the broader public - I expect to keep things public and open.

Re: [Vo]:The Strange World of “Cold Fusion”

2009-10-22 Thread Steven Krivit
Jed, For made-up nonsense that is irrelevant and unimportant, you seem to be reacting quite strongly. I presented the facts; you didn't like them -- you attacked the messenger -- with your speculations. If you can prove my facts to be wrong, then go ahead... Otherwise, I will file your

Re: [Vo]:The Strange World of “Cold Fusion”

2009-10-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:06 PM 10/22/2009, Steven Krivit wrote: Uhh..no, that was supposed to say fiction not nonfiction. Where's Michel Julian to proof my posts when I need him? ;) Krivit needs an editor more than he needs a proofreader.

Re: [Vo]:The Strange World of “Cold Fusion”

2009-10-22 Thread Steven Krivit
Jed, For made-up nonsense that is irrelevant and unimportant, you seem to be reacting quite strongly. I presented the facts; you didn't like them -- you attacked the messenger -- with your speculations. If you can prove my facts to be wrong, then go ahead... Otherwise, I will file your

Re: [Vo]:The Strange World of “Cold Fusion”

2009-10-22 Thread Steven Krivit
Dear Dennis Abd ul-Rahman Lomax, If you can discuss something factual about my work, please do so. I'm more than happy to discuss and debate facts. If not, what you have written here amounts to nothing but a personal attack and an expression of hatred. Anybody who knows me and my work can

RE: [Vo]:Obama visiting MIT to discuss energy

2009-10-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:40 PM 10/22/2009, Lawrence de Bivort wrote: I don't think books will do I what I believe needs to be done, no matter how well written -- because the book FORMAT will not get the job I envisage done. The problem is not with the content but with the format. The books do a good job at doing

RE: [Vo]:Obama visiting MIT to discuss energy

2009-10-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:03 AM 10/22/2009, Lawrence de Bivort wrote: What do you think? Does this make sense? Do you want me to say more about 'out-framing'? Or does the above give you an adequate sense of what I am talking about? I think I know what you mean. It would be a piece of writing that

Re: [Vo]:The Strange World of “Cold Fusion”

2009-10-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:02 AM 10/23/2009, Steven Krivit wrote: I have found that when I expose or report truths that people don't want exposed - or truths which some people just cannot face - if they can't disprove my facts then they react just like you have done - with invective and hostility, and attack the