On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
The battery is puzzling, but they do not hide it, so I do not see how
it could be part of a scam.
Buy lots of Magniwork kits. After all, they promise a refund, and that
proves it cannot be a scam! :)
But seriously, if scammers can find a way to make
On 12/15/2009 09:26 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote:
As a Steorn Non Disclosure Agreement signatory and knowledgeable insider, I
have a few comments:
The energy in the battery does not go to the kinetic energy of the rotor, it
is used as an easy way to modify some
parameters of the device.
William Beaty wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
The battery is puzzling, but they do not hide it, so I do not see how
it could be part of a scam.
Buy lots of Magniwork kits. After all, they promise a refund, and that
proves it cannot be a scam! :)
But seriously, if
I wrote:
. . . [T]his is a variation of the non-falsifiable claim that the
more credible a claim appears to be, the more likely it is a scam.
In that case, as a real claim and a scam approach perfection, it
becomes impossible to tell them apart. That can't be!
What I mean is, strictly
On 12/16/2009 09:33 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 12/15/2009 09:26 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote:
As a Steorn Non Disclosure Agreement signatory and knowledgeable
insider, I
have a few comments:
The energy in the battery does not go to the kinetic energy of the
rotor, it
is used as an
At 09:26 PM 12/15/2009, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote:
As a Steorn Non Disclosure Agreement signatory and knowledgeable insider, I
have a few comments:
The energy in the battery does not go to the kinetic energy of the rotor, it
is used as an easy way to modify some
parameters of the device.
On 12/16/2009 10:09 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I wrote:
. . . [T]his is a variation of the non-falsifiable claim that the more
credible a claim appears to be, the more likely it is a scam. In that
case, as a real claim and a scam approach perfection, it becomes
impossible to tell them apart.
At 08:16 PM 12/15/2009, Terry Blanton wrote:
We built a Bedini motor, specifically, the bicycle wheel type known as
the school girl motor and measured the efficiency with a torque
meter. We found the efficiency to be around 30%.
The truth is that pulse charging of a battery removes the
rick friedrich likens steorn to bedini on bedini_monopole_3.
(im fairly sure its steorn being talked about, since the whole thing
was launched yesterday)
:
:
:
Subject: Every so often someone copies Bedini at the right time
Posted by: rickfriedrich rickfriedr...@yahoo.com rickfriedrich
Wed Dec
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
If they are claiming to have working all-permanent-magnet motors,
then either they're lying, or it's the Dawn of a New Era. You can't
be confused about whether you have something or not, and a motor
with *no* internal power source is not something you can sort of
On 12/16/2009 10:45 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 08:16 PM 12/15/2009, Terry Blanton wrote:
We built a Bedini motor, specifically, the bicycle wheel type known as
the school girl motor and measured the efficiency with a torque
meter. We found the efficiency to be around 30%.
The truth is
At 04:21 PM 12/15/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
[Jed Rothwell wrote]:
If Steorn is a scam, it is an inept one.
Sez who? They've got investors. Ergo it's good enough for them,
whether or not you think it's inept.
What's more, by the very crude bumbling naivete of their public
On 12/16/2009 11:06 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
That's my conclusion as well. I've come to the conclusion that the
weakness of the demo is part of their design. They will start taking the
covers off, so to speak, having aroused a host of obvious objections.
They will address these
Hoyt,
Can you help us (me) out here... without violating the principals of the NDA.
Can it be conclusively proven (at least beyond a reasonable amount of
doubt) that the battery is in no way connected to the actual running
of the ORBO device?
This HAS to be dealt with. This HAS to be clarified.
At 11:00 AM 12/16/2009, Esa Ruoho wrote:
I was running the system on smaller used batteries for days and they
remained charged even though a good number of amps were constantly
being drawn and the meter was showing 1/3rd of the amps going back
into the secondary.
Take a hint. Fine to set it up
Hoyt (the Insider) Stearns wrote, :-)
The energy in the battery does not go to the kinetic energy of the rotor, it
is used as an easy way
to modify some parameters of the device.
In watching the Launch 2009 video where some closeups and animations are shown,
they show what looks
like a small
At 11:08 AM 12/16/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
If they are claiming to have working all-permanent-magnet motors,
then either they're lying, or it's the Dawn of a New Era. You
can't be confused about whether you have something or not, and a
motor with *no* internal
On 12/16/2009 12:07 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 11:00 AM 12/16/2009, Esa Ruoho wrote:
No he didn't. Esa Ruoho quoted rickfriedrich from the
bedini_monopole_3 forum. It was Rick who was experimenting with the
Bedini motor described here, not Esa, and AFAIK Rick isn't on Vortex.
On 12/16/2009 12:35 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Hoyt (the Insider) Stearns wrote, :-)
The energy in the battery does not go to the kinetic energy of the rotor, it
is used as an easy way
to modify some parameters of the device.
In watching the Launch 2009 video where some closeups and animations
Regarding recent comments made by Hoyt Stearns:
...
Their strategy is rather bizarre, but in a way I think it is
ingenious for many reasons (speculative):
They must prove that their techniques are not obvious to anyone
skilled in the art for patentability, even though they are
extremely
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:01 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
I hope Steorn has done their homework when it comes to running covert
operations. ;-)
Obviously not. They are swapping out units every few hours. The
Village of the Banned are tracking the swap
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Look, the demonstration device seems pretty simple.
Many things seem simple but are not.
They don't want to bother making a fully self-sustaining one after
you have established they can do that, because by making partially
self-sustaining prototypes they make
On 12/16/2009 02:23 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
So, not only are the batteries running down (obvious from the slowing
of the motors discussed in another thread) but the units seem to be
failing. The cameras also go off line at convenient times. What in
heck are they up to? Too much Irish
On 12/16/2009 02:23 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
What in
heck are they up to? Too much Irish whiskey?
Does anyone here have any idea what Sean McCarthy's management style is
like?
Is it possible that he's an autocrat who won't take no for an answer,
and only listens to people who (pretend
I'm on thin ice with that question, so all I can say is it is connected, but
not in the normal way. All the battery energy is dissipated as heat, not
KE.
Hoyt
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com]
Can it be conclusively proven (at
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Didn't someone have a theory that they were doing all this just to show how
good they are at running a PR campaign?
Maybe that's it; otherwise, I can't figure them out.
Why would they risk another failed demo after
Terry sez:
Didn't someone have a theory that they were doing all this just to show how
good they are at running a PR campaign?
Maybe that's it; otherwise, I can't figure them out.
Why would they risk another failed demo after 2007?
I don't admit to having an answer, but I do know this
On 12/16/2009 03:37 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote:
I'm on thin ice with that question, so all I can say is it is connected, but
not in the normal way. All the battery energy is dissipated as heat, not
KE.
Two things, neither one a question (I realize you're standing on thin
ice with an
Steven V Johnson wrote:
What's the payoff? ...That Steorn is really good at manipulating PR?
No. On the contrary, they seem really, really bad at PR!
...That they they can pull a fast one on everyone?
Heck, I would be surprised if they can pull a fast one on anyone,
never mind everyone.
Only Steorn's people know what the plans are, but many of us think that
their activities are carefully orchestrated and they're keeping to the plan,
as bizarre as it seems ( but I sure wish it had been a whole helluva lot
faster ).
Steorn is definitely keeping a low, sometimes misleading
On 12/16/2009 04:30 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote:
Only Steorn's people know what the plans are, but many of us think that
their activities are carefully orchestrated and they're keeping to the plan,
as bizarre as it seems ( but I sure wish it had been a whole helluva lot
faster ).
Steorn
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:06:28 -0800:
Hi Jones,
[snip]
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Matching lattice spacings may be at least one reason why CF is so
temperamental One of the lattice
Forget snake-oil in Dublin, there is a major, major reality science news
story brewing, with implications of biblical proportions
(catch-22: truth
is stranger than fiction).
Here is the story of the discovery of a large water planet, in Ophiuchus. It
is the closest planet discovered to what
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Forget snake-oil in Dublin, there is a major, major “reality” science news
story brewing, with implications of biblical proportions … (catch-22: truth
is stranger than fiction).
How could something 40 l.y. away be
On 12/16/2009 05:43 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
Forget snake-oil in Dublin, there is a major, major “reality” science
news story brewing, with implications of biblical proportions …
(catch-22: truth is stranger than fiction).
Here is the story of the discovery of a large water planet, in
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence
A *prophecy* in Gen 3:15 ??
That verse is in the *middle* of the curse God laid on the snake for
having talked Eve into eating the apple, and on Eve for eating it, and on
Adam for going along with the whole deal (that's 3:14 - 3:19). If
As long as the Executive Director of the AIP and people like him accuse
you of fraud, you will make no progress. I do not think you will convince
people that cold fusion is legitimate when the Director of the AIP goes
around saying this sort of thing, and cites Wikipedia instead of your
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
How could something 40 l.y. away be relative?
... I hear lingering lyrics from an old song - compared to what?
Les is Moore?
You wrote:
You do realize, of course, that your good buddy Kirk Shannahan is so
obsessed with cold fusion that he reads this list?
Yes! I saw once that he quoted a message I uploaded to Vortex. It is a laugh
and a half.
Did you see his comment at Dylla's article? He is losing it!
Abd made an
You wrote:
You do realize, of course, that your good buddy Kirk Shannahan is so
obsessed with cold fusion that he reads this list?
Yes! I saw once that he quoted a message I uploaded to Vortex. It is a laugh
and a half.
Did you see his comment at Dylla's article? He is losing it!!
That was a partial message in response to a private e-mail. I meant to copy
it to Vortex but it is supposed to include more text, as follows --
A friend wrote to me:
You do realize, of course, that your good buddy Kirk Shannahan is so
obsessed with cold fusion that he reads this list?
Yes! I
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Thanks for the link, Harry.
While watching one of the trailers I saw images that reminded me of a
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http://orionworks.com/artgal/svj/path_m.htm
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Thanks for the link, Harry.
While watching one of the trailers I saw images that reminded me of a
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The missing honesty phenomenon
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I would like to caution readers that this argument by Stephen A. Lawrence is
logically invalid:
Looking like a scammer is not good when you're trying to lure investors.
Really talented con men show you everything,
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
If it can be shown conclusively that the battery is connected only to
the control electronics,
Why mess with such complexity? Just put a stupid frikn supercap in
there, and measure the voltage. Here, I have five different kinds in a
box here. Two
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
In fact they claimed this back before their earlier demo, which was
supposed to show just such a motor, if I recall correctly; however, it
didn't.
We expected them to finally at long last prove in a simple manner that the
device is real. We
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
They are charging for getting a look at the technology, and, I'm
sure, this comes with heavy NDAs,
Hey. Is charging to get a look at technology a dead givaway for an FE
con game? In other words, what other companies let individuals get a look
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
It reminds me a little of the situation with airplanes from 1905 to
1908.
Was flying machine plagued constantly by con artists taking money from
enormous numbers of people? I.e. was it akin to lead-into-gold alchemist
research, or known-shady used car
Jed,
I'm sure Shanahan is finding immeasurable entertainment in these messages.
Particularly your comment about certified fruitcake.
It is the season, though, isn't it?
Steve
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