Re: [Vo]:does classical mechanics always fail to predict or retrodict for 3 or more Newtonian gravity bodies? Rich Murray 2011.02.18

2011-02-19 Thread Charles Hope
Yes, the Devil is in the details. It pays to know just how much Devil is in there, and in old school 8 bit BASIC, there is much. Classical Mechanics gives results that are reversible. So if the model isn't, it's just a numerical flaw, and not a profound fact about physics. Sent from my

Re: [Vo]:OT (But Not Entirely) - Wisconsin Public Employees Continue Protesting. State Senators AWOL

2011-02-19 Thread peatbog
Why don't you send this stuff to vortex-b which is the forum for OT subjects?

RE: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-02-19 Thread francis
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:06 in response to Terry Blanton, Jones Beene wrote [snip]Based on what is admittedly too little evidence my feeling is that first you want densify or convert molecules to pycno or the inverse Rydberg state which is even denser. For some strange reason the molecule does

RE: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-02-19 Thread Jones Beene
No, not relativistic. This is an interpretation of Miley, with respect to Lawandy. It is a dimensional thing. Dense hydrogen only accumulates in two dimensions. After it accumulates, it may move in 3-space as a bound unit, but the effect would be similar to the way Mills' describes the

RE: [Vo]:OT (But Not Entirely) - Wisconsin Public Employees Continue Protesting. State Senators AWOL

2011-02-19 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
PeatBog, The subject thread of my posts clearly state OT Off Topic. You are free to view OT posts or not. Incidentally, this is not entirely off-topic. These political protests, what is currently happening in Wisconsin, just like what's happening in the Mid East are the result of the fact that

Re: [Vo]:OT (But Not Entirely) - Wisconsin Public Employees Continue Protesting. State Senators AWOL

2011-02-19 Thread peatbog
PeatBog, The subject thread of my posts clearly state OT Off Topic. You are free to view OT posts or not. I skimmed a few but have largely skipped them. The point is, though, that vortex-b was created for ot posts. Why not use it?

RE: [Vo]:OT (But Not Entirely) - Wisconsin Public Employees Continue Protesting. State Senators AWOL

2011-02-19 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From PeatBog, The subject thread of my posts clearly state OT Off Topic. You are free to view OT posts or not. I skimmed a few but have largely skipped them. The point is, though, that vortex-b was created for ot posts. Why not use it? You ask a reasonable question. My answer: As you

Re: [Vo]:OT (But Not Entirely) - Wisconsin Public Employees Continue Protesting. State Senators AWOL

2011-02-19 Thread peatbog
Your reasons for posting in vortex-b are clear, but I have to disagree with what you are doing. If you want to post ot stuff, and you want to play by the vortex rules, I suggest that you announce in vortex-l that you have a bunch of stuff that is dear to your heart that you want to post, but that

[Vo]:Heavy Electron Metals/ Heusler

2011-02-19 Thread Jones Beene
Interesting 24 year old paper http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.ms.17.080187.000305 It has been known for some time that the effective mass of electrons can appear to have a value much greater than free or valence electrons. This can be a factor of 10,000:1 in some

[Vo]:test test 1

2011-02-19 Thread DonEMitchell
This test is to see if I am subscribed by donemitch...@groupkos.com (personal), or d...@groupkos.com (forums) Sent from donemitch...@groupkos.com I made some early mistake and somehow the list deletes me from one and seems to switch me from the other. All attempts to unsubscribe are

Re: [Vo]:does classical mechanics always fail to predict or retrodict for 3 or more Newtonian gravity bodies? Rich Murray 2011.02.18

2011-02-19 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/18/2011 10:17 PM, Rich Murray wrote: does classical mechanics always fail to predict or retrodict for 3 or more Newtonian gravity bodies? Rich Murray 2011.02.18 [ ... ] In fall, 1982, I wrote a 200-line program in Basic for the Timex-Sinclair $100 computer with 20KB RAM that would

Re: [Vo]:OT (But Not Entirely) - Wisconsin Public Employees Continue Protesting. State Senators AWOL

2011-02-19 Thread Terry Blanton
Most of us don't mind OT posting as long as it is so labeled. Some of us enjoy OT posts. Virtually everyone is guilty on occasion. I see that Peaty is posting from a site called teksavvy.com. One would think that he would know how to create a filter which will direct [OT] posts to a particular

Re: [Vo]:Heavy Electron Metals/ Heusler

2011-02-19 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:43:01 -0800: Hi, [snip] Interesting 24 year old paper http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.ms.17.080187.000305 It has been known for some time that the effective mass of electrons can appear to have a value much greater

Re: [Vo]:OT (But Not Entirely) - Wisconsin Public Employees Continue Protesting. State Senators AWOL

2011-02-19 Thread peatbog
Most of us don't mind OT posting as long as it is so labeled. Some of us enjoy OT posts. Virtually everyone is guilty on occasion. Sure. Maybe I'll block the subject, but I want to wait a bit to see if Bill Beatty weighs in: I enjoyed his hammering of the ot posters the last time.

Re: [Vo]:OT (But Not Entirely) - Wisconsin Public Employees Continue Protesting. State Senators AWOL

2011-02-19 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/19/2011 10:57 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: PeatBog, The subject thread of my posts clearly state OT Off Topic. You are free to view OT posts or not. Don't sweat it, Steve. I don't know what's got Peaty in a huff about it, but this series of posts has been

RE: [Vo]:Heavy Electron Metals/ Heusler

2011-02-19 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com If my understanding is correct, then I don't see how this would make it more effective in nucleating condensation of protons, because the extra mass is not collocated with the original electron, so it's not as though it's actually a heavy

[Vo]:54 Goldilocks

2011-02-19 Thread Terry Blanton
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/19/scientists-pleasantly-surprised-by-number-of-earth-sized-distant-planets/?hpt=C2 Scientists pleasantly surprised by number of Earth-size, distant planets The planet Kepler-10b orbits a star similar to our own Sun in its temperature, mass and size. February

[Vo]:Efficacy of Al Brainshields

2011-02-19 Thread Terry Blanton
http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/ Abstract Among a fringe community of paranoids, aluminum helmets serve as the protective measure of choice against invasive radio signals. We investigate the efficacy of three aluminum helmet designs on a sample group of four individuals. Using

Re: [Vo]:Heavy Electron Metals/ Heusler

2011-02-19 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 19, 2011, at 12:19 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:43:01 -0800: Hi, [snip] Interesting 24 year old paper http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.ms. 17.080187.000305 It has been known for some time that the

Re: [Vo]:does classical mechanics always fail to predict or retrodict for 3 or more Newtonian gravity bodies? Rich Murray 2011.02.18

2011-02-19 Thread Rich Murray
Hello Stephen A. Lawrence, Thanks for the informative answer. It'd be impressive if the most accurate methods since this review in 1987 agree with each other far into the future and past -- how can we find out the details about results for the 3-body problem, in commonsense terms? Is this

RE: [Vo]:Efficacy of Al Brainshields

2011-02-19 Thread Jones Beene
Hmm ... if true that our beloved gov (or elements within) is behind some kind of weird and contorted effort to control the conduct of the more susceptible, within the known population of crazies, then why waste the effort on helmets? ... just set out a few hundred unattended boom boxes in the

Re: [Vo]:Heavy Electron Metals/ Heusler

2011-02-19 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com If my understanding is correct, then I don't see how this would make it more effective in nucleating condensation of protons, because the extra mass is not collocated with the original

RE: [Vo]:Efficacy of Al Brainshields

2011-02-19 Thread Jones Beene
BTW - for anyone who wants to join the fun, we set this up as kind of an American Voices (The Onion) type of interview format, but on another level of sophistication... -Original Message- From: Jones Beene Hmm ... if true that our beloved gov (or elements within) is behind some kind

RE: [Vo]:does classical mechanics always fail to predict or retrodict for 3 or more Newtonian gravity bodies? Rich Murray 2011.02.18

2011-02-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:12 PM 2/18/2011, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Congratulations on your Sinclair project. I started on a TRS-80. Heh! Well, *I* -- the word is drawn out -- started on an Altair 8800. Pthtpthhh!

RE: [Vo]:does classical mechanics always fail to predict or retrodict for 3 or more Newtonian gravity bodies? Rich Murray 2011.02.18

2011-02-19 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jacques Laskar and his colleague Mickal Gastineau in 2009 took a more thorough approach by directly simulating 2500 possible futures. Each of the 2500 cases has slightly different initial conditions: Mercury's position varies by about 1 metre between one simulation and the next.[13] In 20