[Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Global negative income tax There would be radical sounding, but very plausible solution for all war and absolute poverty related social problems. That is ca. $1000 annual negative income tax for each adult citizens of Earth indifferently on their past history or current wealth. This may sound

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Cats at zero-gravity in 1947

2011-08-06 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Terry sez: Relatives of the survivors received full benefits. All survivors died. No bones were ever recovered. It's a big desert out there. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Craig Haynie
Global negative income tax It's not just a coincidence that the world's largest democracies have the most catastrophic wars, the most debt, the most regulations, and the highest taxes. The power seekers of the world seek power, and the most power is at the top. The freest countries offer the

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/6 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com: You propose to end war with a global democracy, but wars will never end as long as we give the power seekers the ability to wage war. I have not seen a war in 66 years, because I live in civilized and rich country. Believe me, war is something

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Charles Hope
It's not reserved for poor countries, but weak countries. Thus, poor Libya, having given up its nuclear ambitions, gets smacked around with a large trout, whereas poor DPRK is allowed to fire missiles randomly around its region, and it receives a finger wag. Craig, truly brilliant post.

Re: [Vo]:Professors often fail to publish results

2011-08-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:52 PM 8/5/2011, Harry Veeder wrote: From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com No, I'm trying to *not* draw conclusions from unpublished results. Are you trying to remain indifferent about unpublished results? No. Impossible. However, unpublished results here is more drastic

[Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion have parted ways?

2011-08-06 Thread vorl bek
Maybe I missed it, but I have not seen any citation for Jones Beene's statement. Any evidence for it?

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
I think we will need to do something like this when robots and computers eliminate most human labor. We need a gradual transition so a system along these lines. See: http://www.thelightsinthetunnel.com/ - Jed

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-08-06 11:04 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: 2011/8/6 Craig Hayniecchayniepub...@gmail.com: You propose to end war with a global democracy, but wars will never end as long as we give the power seekers the ability to wage war. I have not seen a war in 66 years, because I live in civilized and

[Vo]:Republican Welfare Better Possibilities

2011-08-06 Thread Wm. Scott Smith
I am not suggesting that there is any merit or particular lack of merit by these things; they are merely accurate observations. Most jobs in our economy really do not serve most people, except that most us have such jobs. Let's take a look at Government waste first. Government is the biggest

RE: [Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion have parted ways?

2011-08-06 Thread Jones Beene
There is no official announcement that I am aware of from Rossi, but I have not checked the blogs today. There has been circulating to potential investors what claims to be a Press Release, and which appears to have been issued by ANDREA ROSSI AND EFA S.R.L. I have not posted this document,

Re: [Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion have parted ways?

2011-08-06 Thread vorl bek
Thanks

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/6 Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com: On 11-08-06 11:04 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: 2011/8/6 Craig Hayniecchayniepub...@gmail.com: You propose to end war with a global democracy, but wars will never end as long as we give the power seekers the ability to wage war. I have not seen a

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 1:44:02 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax     Since WWII ended, the only wars I can think of in which at least one party was

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/6 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: I think we will need to do something like this when robots and computers eliminate most human labor. We need a gradual transition so a system along these lines. See: http://www.thelightsinthetunnel.com/ - Jed I think that according synopsis,

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
WHOOPS -- I just re-read my original note. Mea culpa; Harry, you parsed it right, I said it wrong. I said it backwards: I meant to say: Since WWII ended, in every war I can think of, at least one party was *not* nuclear armed, except the conflict between India and Pakistan... I should avoid

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Harry Veeder
  - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 3:36:36 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax On 11-08-06 02:56 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: - Original Message -

RE: [Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion have parted ways?

2011-08-06 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jones: ... The apparent rationale for the split between the two parties - if there is one- is the apparent failure of Defkalion to meet certain monetary obligations. This sounds logical, given the shape of the Greek economy. However, for that reason, one could also suspect that the

[Vo]:John Hutchison Elopes

2011-08-06 Thread Terry Blanton
Gotta love the pirate hat, harr harr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y80UJCoxkCM

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The Whipmag All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:22:34 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] This reminds me of a pre 17th century argument that the Earth cannot be turning. As everyone knows if the Earth was turning then the ground would move away from you whenever you jumped in the air. However 

RE: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
An excerpt from Jouni: ... Technology is the real measure of wealth, money is just mediator what can be utilized into exchanging and distributing technology. Generally speaking, I tend to agree with this assessment. I suspect books like The Lights in the Tunnel which Mr.

RE: [Vo]:Re: [e-cat] Engineer from delta ohm confirms that galantini instrument is useless

2011-08-06 Thread Michele Comitini
Abd, The answer to the question why there aren't any isothermal curves in the phase change area? is exactly the consequence of your experiments with the steam calculator: at constant pressure the temperature does not change. So if you change one the other follows linearly. If you look on

RE: [Vo]:John Hutchison Elopes

2011-08-06 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Terry sez: Gotta love the pirate hat, harr harr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y80UJCoxkCM Looks like John has more eye makeup on than his spunky bride. They do seem to enjoy each other's company. Congratulations! God sez you can now apply for family health insurance. That's what we did

Re: [Vo]:John Hutchison Elopes

2011-08-06 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 7:25 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: May they live happily ever after. They should have waited to 9/19/11: http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html T

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-08-06 04:09 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: You said AT LEAST one party which was not nuclear armed, which I took to mean one or both parties which were not nuclear armed. Right you were. My comment was scrambled; mine was the error. Sorry!

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Charles Hope
Sent from my iPhone. On Aug 6, 2011, at 18:54, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: ... They don't want to hear about the fact that when government employees spend their money it boosts the economy in exactly the same manner as what would be spent from

[Vo]:Calculating the real heating power of E-Cat demonstrations

2011-08-06 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Here is some private conversation that I think, deserves to see the daylight at the Vortex. Although I still disagree wit Abd ul-Rahman, about the definition of very wet steam and it is more or less impossible to produce very wet steam in low pressures, such as are present in E-Cat, but of course

RE: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Charles Hope OrionWorks sez: ... They don't want to hear about the fact that when government employees spend their money it boosts the economy in exactly the same manner as what would be spent from individuals who work and earn income out in the free market. Money is money. It

[Vo]:magnetic non-newtonian fluid

2011-08-06 Thread Harry Veeder
a magnetic non-newtonian fluid http://www.youtube.com/wat​ch?v=ZXJuJQVrgbI   Harry

[Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion Split Up RUMORMONGERING - You got evidence, post it!

2011-08-06 Thread noone noone
There are rumors that Rossi and Defkalion have split up. However, no evidence has been presented. If you have evidence, present it. Otherwise, this is just rumor mongering.