Tom,
Thank you.
I think the amessage was for all vorticians not just me! So I reply back to
the list.
I was looking for a comparison of heat transfer fluids specs, do you know if
there is any?
What is the Max operating temperature in particular?
I understand that if you want to keep liquid phase
-Original Message-
From: ecat builder [mailto:ecatbuil...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:36 PM
A few quick comments:
Hoyt: Are you sure the electric company will want unsynchronized AC?
That might make the meter run backwards, but it seems
counter-intuitive. Also,
Supercritical CO2 is very interesting in MW sizes, but it doesn't scale down
well to 50kW machines due to high fluid density that makes the compressors
and turbines unfeasably tiny, and very high pressures that make the bearing,
seal and heat exchanger very difficult or impossible to do cheaply.
Hello group,
NyTeknik and Focus.it today published several additional analyses on the
September 6th E-Cat Test.
- NyTeknik (in English)
By Horace Heffner, David Roberson, Robert J. Higgins
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3295411.ece
- Focus.it (in Italian)
By prof.
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:36 PM, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.comwrote:
Hoyt: Are you sure the electric company will want unsynchronized AC?
I predict that home generators will produce direct current, not AC. DC is
safer because it is less prone to cause electrocution. Electric power
Horace made the news. Its about time.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 2:39 am
Subject: [Vo]:New articles on the September 6th E-Cat test
Hello group,
NyTeknik and Focus.it today
I am afraid household electricity is just not going to get much cheaper -
maybe 20-30% drop, but it probably will drop far more for industry.
The cost of ownership and maintainence of in-house LENR based electrical
power generation will still make it marginal as to whether it is worth
doing.
Most DC appliances use from 5 to 48VDC. Going from one DC voltage to
another is difficult. A friend of mine has a pure solar/battery house
wired for 12VDC, 24VDC, and 120VAC. It is complex and a little
daunting for the average visitor.
A simple low-voltage 48VDC source (like POE 802.3af) would be
All devices will be self contained with E-ORBO's, M-ORBO's, HephaHeat
heaters or as yet uninvented devices-- no connection to any external power
sources will be needed at all. They'll be AA batteries that last forever
etc.
Induction generators are for the near term -- a couple of years, helping
Nearly 1/3 of energy consumption is spent in transporting energy itself. It
just doesn't make any sense to keep spending money on expensive
infrastructure when it is cheaper to generate your own energy.
For many energy-intensive industries adopting the new technology will be
mandatory. Energy is
My PV system uses a 5kW grid tie DC-AC inverter that is all solid state,
no moving parts (not even a fan), and is 96% efficient. It has been
working beautifully for the last 3 years.
Note that unless you make a provision to throttle the E-cat, you will
have to at least provide a sacrificial
Am 21.10.2011 18:32, schrieb Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.:
All devices will be self contained with E-ORBO's, M-ORBO's, HephaHeat
heaters or as yet uninvented devices-- no connection to any external
power sources will be needed at all. They'll be AA batteries that last
forever etc.
Dont forget the
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Bruno Santos besantos1...@gmail.com wrote:
Nearly 1/3 of energy consumption is spent in transporting energy itself.
That figure is a little high. Legacy Transmission and Distribution
systems have a loss factor of about 15%. Today's modernized systems
suffer
Good for the eye and for the health: http://goo.gl/L56Hg
mic
Power companies will fade away and all those ugly high-tension lines will
dissappear :-) .
Hoyt Stearns
Scottsdale, Arizona
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
... err Well, let's hope that this is not the one time in a billion
(consecutive false predictions) where the unrecognized prophet finally got
it right :-)
Most of us made it:
http://youtu.be/1LXuNpF6NVg
T
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
I am afraid household electricity is just not going to get much cheaper -
maybe 20-30% drop, but it probably will drop far more for industry.
I disagree.
As I described in my book cost will drop by 60% at first and later by more
than 100%.
Sorry, I couldn't make myself clear enough. 1/3 accounts for all energy
transportation, not only electric power. One must transport coal from mines
to thermoelectric generators, and then electricity to houses and
industries.
How much energy does it take to transport all that coal? Oil? And energy
At 10:04 AM 10/21/2011, Higgins Bob-CBH003 wrote:
The
cool new product category is the concept of CHP cogeneration of heat
and power. There is already an industry forming around this for
producing power from concentrated solar or some other high grade heat,
producing electricity for the home,
Bruno Santos besantos1...@gmail.com wrote:
It is very unlikely that those countries with large surplus in oil and/or
coal production would just abandon these energies sources in a short time.
It'll be both available and cheaper. Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Canada,
Norway, Australia, China, Iran,
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Heat-to-cooling is also fairly efficient (I grew up with kerosine-fired
refrigerators).
Ah, but it would not matter if it was terribly inefficient, because the heat
will cost nothing. As long as your refrigerator does not make the rest of
the house
This year we witnessed the first observation of the dynamic Casimir effect
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/26813/ where the requisite motion
of the Casimir plates relative to each other must approach a certain percentage
of C such that virtual particle pairs become separated and are
If you want to know how much energy it takes to generate and transmit
electricity, and how much energy is used in transportation versus industry
or residential, please see:
NREL, *Energy Overview from NREL*. 2006, NREL.
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/NRELenergyover.pdf
The only thing this does
At 10:54 AM 10/21/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
This is like suggesting that a nation that happens to have a lot of
silicon to make glass will go on using vacuum tube computers long
after transistors are invented.
Bad analogy : excepting Galium Arsenide, most chips are made up of
Silicon,
Alan J Fletcher wrote:
This is like suggesting that a nation that happens to have a lot of
silicon to make glass will go on using vacuum tube computers long
after transistors are invented.
Bad analogy : excepting Galium Arsenide, most chips are made up of
Silicon, Oxygen and Aluminum ...
On 11-10-21 02:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Here is a containership engine:
http://www.emma-maersk.com/engine/Wartsila_Sulzer_RTA96-C.htm
Very cool!
It appears to be an internal combustion engine, which seems bizarre. I
thought super high scale power was all generated with external
Well, my scenario was thought from a perspective of e-cat technology, not
deuterium-based cold fusion.
And I do agree with almost everything you say about costs. The point is: how
long does it take? Not every family, company nor country is wealth enough to
just give it up on old technology and
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Any idea where the beast is actually
made?
Would you believe Finland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%A4rtsil%C3%A4
T
Bruno Santos besantos1...@gmail.com wrote:
And I do agree with almost everything you say about costs. The point is:
how long does it take?
That's easy to estimate. It takes 10 years for automobiles, and 20 years for
heating and cooling equipment (HVAC -- heating ventilation and air
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Any idea where the beast is actually
made?
Would you believe Finland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%A4rtsil%C3%A4
Designed in Finland;
On 11-10-21 03:39 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote:
Any idea where the beast is actually
made?
Would you believe Finland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%A4rtsil%C3%A4
No way! That's a surprise, all right!
And the
On 11-10-21 03:45 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Terry Blantonhohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote:
Any idea where the beast is actually
made?
Would you believe Finland?
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Looks to me like yet another Japanese manufacturer which has farmed
manufacturing out to someplace overseas.
Good eye, Stephen. The History Channel says that the engine was
manufactured in Korea:
I wrote:
And I do agree with almost everything you say about costs. The point is:
how long does it take?
That's easy to estimate. It takes 10 years for automobiles, and 20 years
for heating and cooling equipment (HVAC -- heating ventilation and air
conditioning).
Naturally, some cars
I am afraid household electricity is just not going to get much cheaper -
maybe 20-30% drop, but it probably will drop far more for industry.
I disagree.
As I described in my book cost will drop by 60% at first and later by more
than 100%. That is to say, the overall cost of equipment
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Akira Shirakawa
shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello group,
NyTeknik and Focus.it today published several additional analyses on the
September 6th E-Cat Test.
I'm not sure if this update was present when you first viewed the
NyTeknik article:
UPDATE (Oct
The ECAT measurements conducted on October 6, 2011 have several discrepancies
that have made it extremely difficult for us to understand. I would like to
offer the following possible mechanism for consideration to the group of
experts assembled on the edge of the vortex.
As I think about
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
We'll I've worked and researched in the utility electricity, and micro CHP
(combined heat and power) industry off and on over the last 20 years, so if
you want to argue the point you are going to need to justify your
disagreement a whole lot
This is what I call an engine! Now, how can I get it into my hot rod?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steam engines
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Terry Blanton
I wrote:
What do you think it would cost to build a 2 TB hard disk in 1979? It
couldn't be done but if someone did it would cost tens of millions of
dollars. Now it costs $100.
Correction, it would have cost roughly $400 million, in 1979 dollars. That
is based on the cheapest hard disks
A car running on 10kW electric from a cold fusion device connected to
a 5% efficient heat to electric converter (steam or bismut or
whatever) would spit out 200kW of waste heat, that is equivalent to 15
strong patio heaters. Are you really sure, Jed, we don't have to
worry?
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011
Bastiaan Bergman bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com wrote:
A car running on 10kW electric from a cold fusion device connected to
a 5% efficient heat to electric converter (steam or bismut or
whatever) would spit out 200kW of waste heat . . .
That would be a Rube Goldberg machine! Why would you do it
Childhood (and fatherhood) memories...
http://boingboing.net/2011/10/21/expired-patent-of-the-day-lego.html
Now anyone can make those bricks like the real stuff not just cheap
imitations! ;-)
mic
Why would you do it that way?
However you do it, it's hard to beat the 5-10%.
The point is that efficiency does matter.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Bastiaan Bergman bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com wrote:
A car running on 10kW electric from a cold
Hi,
On 22-10-2011 0:33, Michele Comitini wrote:
Childhood (and fatherhood) memories...
http://boingboing.net/2011/10/21/expired-patent-of-the-day-lego.html
Now anyone can make those bricks like the real stuff not just cheap
imitations! ;-)
mic
As an AFOL I can only say: you are wrong ;-) !
Very interesting, thanks!
And a reason more to use a simple steam water mixing device (valve) to
condensate steam in the place of this finicky heat exchanger- as I have
suggested
months ago, Rossi has ignored this idea, complexity is part of his game.
Peter
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