Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote:
More than 10 companies with at least 50 employees and that Rossi has no
ownership of, each publicly acknowledge the satisfactory use of E-Cat for
at least 3 months
Not good. He sold 13 to the mystery client. That may be a large fraction of
his
visitable by the qualified public
who qualifies?
harry
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Andrea Rossi
November 28th, 2011 at 6:48 PM November 28th, 2011 at 6:48 PM
Dear Herb Gills:
Today we sold in the USA a 1 MW plant which will go to a normal Customer.
I'm fine with 10, makes it more challenging.
And I'd be happy to lose on such a small technicality. Would still prove my
point. And the money goes to charity.
So, Mary Yugo, what do you say?
I do have one condition though, that the challenger reveals their true
identity.
Regards,
Patrick
On
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
visitable by the qualified public
who qualifies?
My guess is: people who feel at home in equipment rooms with 1 MW reactors.
That would not include me.
Seriously, as I have often said, engineers and HVAC professionals are who
we should depend upon to
How about:
Three independent companies, each with more than 20 employees, gross
revenues exceeding $50 M/year, and having been in existence for 5
years or more, should acknowledge the use of at least 500 MJ per liter
of e-Cat. (In other words, if they have a 50 l e-Cat, they should
report the
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:
I do have one condition though, that the challenger reveals their true
identity.
Well, that's a problem. I have no intention of discussing anything about
my identity.
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
visitable by the qualified public
who qualifies?
My guess is: people who feel at home in equipment rooms with 1 MW
reactors. That would not include me.
My guess is nobody
My guess is you are very wrong.
AG
On 11/29/2011 1:05 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com
wrote:
visitable by the
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
My guess is: people who feel at home in equipment rooms with 1 MW reactors.
That would not include me.
Seriously, as I have often said, engineers and HVAC professionals are who we
should depend upon to evaluate this
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
My guess is: people who feel at home in equipment rooms with 1 MW
reactors. That would not include me.
My guess is nobody who can test it properly and my second guess is that it
won't ever happen anyway.
Everyone who has tested it so far has been
Perhaps it is better to keep it simple: 'By December 2013 there will
be commercially available cold fusion reactor that can produce thermal
energy in competitive price.'
–Jouni
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
My guess is: people who feel at home in equipment rooms with 1 MW
reactors. That would not include me.
My guess is nobody who can test it properly and my second guess is that
But you could argue there is one now -- all you have to do is place an
order with *ah hem!* Rossi.
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote:
Perhaps it is better to keep it simple: 'By December 2013 there will
be commercially available cold fusion reactor
Mary Yugo,
Yep that is a problem.
Certainly says something about your convictions if you are not able to back
them up with your real identity.
Is there anyone else who is game enough to put his real identity behind
this?
Regards,
Patrick Ellul
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Mary Yugo
Don't you think this challenge is too simple? If the ecat is true, a nobel
prize is one of the smallest achievements.
2011/11/29 Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com
I'm fine with 10, makes it more challenging.
And I'd be happy to lose on such a small technicality. Would still prove
my
Hello Stephen A. Lawrence,
By any chance, do you as an older brother often find yourself in
friendly exasperation rebuking a younger brother for impetuous,
intemperate outbursts, not based on sober prudent consideration of
much detailed evidence? Anyway, I admit being charmed by your
rebukes.
I
This is just a novel way of giving some money to charity, while showing
your conviction right now.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't you think this challenge is too simple? If the ecat is true, a nobel
prize is one of the smallest achievements.
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, you see, the problem is that there are many possible errors in their
determinations and they did not do what was need to rule them out.
No, there are not. This is your imagination. If they had said there is no
heat you would insist this was a
No, what I mean is the challenge set by the charity campaign. 5 or 10
companies is insignificant. If this is true, I expect no less than a nobel
prize by 11/30/2013.
2011/11/29 Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com
This is just a novel way of giving some money to charity, while showing
your
Agree Daniel.
Yet some skeptics are not willing to put their true identity behind their
skepticism, even for such a simple challenge.
Regards,
Patrick
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
No, what I mean is the challenge set by the charity campaign. 5 or
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
No, what I mean is the challenge set by the charity campaign. 5 or 10
companies is insignificant. If this is true, I expect no less than a nobel
prize by 11/30/2013.
There is not a chance in hell the Nobel prize will ever go to anyone
associated with
Alright, so, at least 20 companies with at least 2 thousand employees will
happily announce they are using e-cats
2011/11/29 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
No, what I mean is the challenge set by the charity campaign. 5 or 10
companies is
There are not so many companies with 2000 employees. For the sake of the
prediction, it doesnt matter if they have 50 employees or 2,000. It would
still prove the technology is accepted.
Daniel, would you be willing to challenge the prediction?
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Daniel Rocha
The only way I would accept that the technology is true without testing it
is that at least 3 companies with an annual revenue of 200 million say they
are happily using it for at least 3 months. I am not able to accept the
biggest technological breakthrough of the history of mankind so easily.
Institutions don't like to become irrelevant. They would reverse their policy
and eat crow before that. They would claim they believed in its possibility all
along, but were waiting for conclusive evidence. But they wouldn't fade into
obscurity without making an attempt.
On Nov 28, 2011, at
This guy was interested in buying a E-Cat:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=32#comment-118944
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=32#comment-118944
Wonder if he is Rossi’s newest customer?
AG
On 11/29/2011 11:03 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
Andrea Rossi
Patrick Ellul asks:
Is there anyone else who is game enough to put his real identity behind
this?
I think what would include most anyone on this list, except Mary, and
perhaps Cude.
To hide behind the veil of anonymity on a discussion group such as this is
cowardly.
I have
Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
This guy was interested in buying a E-Cat: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**
physics.com/?p=510cpage=32#**comment-118944http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=32#comment-118944
http://www.journal-of-**nuclear-physics.com/?p=510**
NE is like 25% of the US. As you have said, sometime Rossi does mislead.
The guy sure seemed interested to get involved at an early stage of the
development and I would suggest, from researching Charlie Sutherland,
that he would be a good and knowledgeable early adopter. Just what Rossi
and
Being the sensitive, compassionate person that I am, how about we all
contribute to Mary's share, so this costs her no $, after all, these are
financially trying times. I'll contribute $20 to the possibility of Mary
Yugo whoever she really is losing her anonymity. Any takers?
-mark
From:
Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
NE is like 25% of the US.
But North Carolina is definitely not part of it. This company does not
appear to have facilities anywhere else. One source says:
Sutherland Products Inc in Mayodan, NC is a private company categorized
under Cleaning or
Wouldn't that be a hoot if it was good ol Dr. Mills.
I hear BLP had to cut back on space heating to save money, and their
technology is a little behind schedule, and over budget!
:-)
-Mark
Wait a minute...
Hey, AussieGuy, is Aussie your first or last name?
:-)
Can't remember if you've identified yourself to the Vort Collective or not!!
Come on, what's good for the goose is good for the gander! Or
vice-a-versa...
-Mark
Yep ok,
The long bet system accepts one name. It checks it against a credit card
number to make sure of true identity.
Glad to see that many would be up for this challenge :)
Regards,
Patrick
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Patrick Ellul
Following best practice in the CSP (Concentrating Solar Power) industry,
where every watt is important and the heat is lower than what can be
generated in a conventional thermal plant's boiler, we will be building
a 1 MW E-Cat plant based on this system. We are working with Rossi to
make this
Thanks for your appreciation -- here's more on the topic:
self-organizing networks can develop simple test kits for metal
isotope anomalies in 'water tree' corrosion of thin polyethylene
films, re T Kumazawa 2005 -- 2008 Japan: Rich Murray 2011.06.03
Did anyone try the Water Tree experiment?
AG
On 11/29/2011 3:25 PM, Rich Murray wrote:
Thanks for your appreciation -- here's more on the topic:
self-organizing networks can develop simple test kits for metal
isotope anomalies in 'water tree' corrosion of thin polyethylene
films, re T
You describe a scenario that we would all love to see unfold. It would be tough
to pull a Rossi and have such a demonstration remain ambiguous.
Best of luck in thermoelectric conversion, and thanks for keeping us in the
loop.
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:15:04 +1030
From:
The closest technology out there at present is what has been developed
for CSP plants. I don't have the time nor like to re-invent the wheel if
it can be avoided. There are several companies developing CSP plants in
Australia and we can tag along on their coat tails. Many thermal power
plant
This is the most recent water tree corrosion transmutation report I've
located so far...
the full report is in here:
http://www.iscmns.org/iccf14/ProcICCF14b.pdf 12 MB
Proceedings of the
14th International Conference on
Condensed Matter Nuclear Science
and the
14th International Conference on
We have access to what is happening in the CSP world and believe their
solutions, minus the heat storage, are currently the best fit for a 400
deg C E-Cat thermal plant, especially for a demo plant.
AG
On 11/29/2011 3:36 PM, Robert Leguillon wrote:
You describe a scenario that we would all
I have redrawn the plant diagram. We do not know what the E-Cat's
primary fluid is nor what temperature it exits the E-Cat at. As Rossi
says this is still RD. What we do know is Rossi has generated steam at
450 deg C as indicated here:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
It is true that the tests witnessed by EK were somewhat sloppy. They
could have used better instrumentation. However, EK are good scientists
and they understand that no experiment
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Wait a minute...
Hey, AussieGuy, is Aussie your first or last name?
:-)
Can't remember if you've identified yourself to the Vort Collective or
not!!
Come on, what's good for the goose is good for the
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:
Mary Yugo,
Yep that is a problem.
Certainly says something about your convictions if you are not able to
back them up with your real identity.
No. It says that when I did reveal my identity in the past, I abused
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
To hide behind the veil of anonymity on a discussion group such as this is
cowardly.
I have followed vortex-l since the 90s, and can’t remember any dispute
between contributors which might have caused one
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
wrote:
SNIP
Good luck ever seeing an E-cat much less getting one to test. I do hope
you do but I very much doubt you ever will.
I was curious about JC's claims about the temperature profile during
the warm-up period. Since no one seems to be doing that (or did I
miss something?) I have started analyzing the Oct. 28th temperature
data in more detail.
I believe the data shows that initially the reactors are off, contain
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