Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread David Roberson
If that is true, then it follows that the Earth is doing work on I think that the remainder of your sentence was cut off here Harry. Harry On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:41 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: If you are referring to my statement about the magnet and steel, I am

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 2:01 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: If that is true, then it follows that the Earth is doing work on I think that the remainder of your sentence was cut off here Harry. By analogy with your steel/magnet analysis the Earth is doing work on a falling

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread John Berry
Is earths gravity getting weaker by an apple falling It is now earth plus an apple, and if enough apples fell, the gravity would increase further, eventually measurably increasing earths gravity, and creating an apple sauce layer of course. And ultimately an very appley black hole. On Mon,

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 2:01 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:41 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: If you are referring to my statement about the magnet and steel, I am not confusing them. The force being applied to the steel is attempting to

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread David Roberson
That is a good thought Harry. It would be true if gravity behaved the same way as magnetism. In the case of gravity additional matter that is allowed to become attached to the initial body behaves in exactly the same way as the original matter. The larger net body generates a larger gravity

Re: [Vo]:resurrection of Rossi?

2013-04-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
I do not believe that Rossi would hand over a reactor for testing to professors unless they have agreed when they will report their results. I do not believe he has had no contact with these professors. This is silly. Rossi micromanages all access to his technology. He would not even let me use

RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
The magnetization energy of neo magnets is small, hardly worth considering as a power source. I think it's about the energy recovered from just one traverse of a magnetic material from infinity to contact. It's related to the area inside the hysteresis curve. I have the figures somewhere,

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread James Bowery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_energy On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.netwrote: The magnetization energy of neo magnets is small, hardly worth considering as a power source. ** ** I think it's about the energy recovered from just one

Re: [Vo]:Re: Superheated Bose-Einstein condensate exists above critical temperature

2013-04-15 Thread Kevin O'Malley
In a personal correspondence, Y.E. Kim confirms that this BEC development gives his theory yet another leg up. Yes, high temperature BEC (HT-BEC) is possible with interacting Bosons which is capable of forming a BEC cluster. The arguments for requiring the very low T to form a BEC are

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net wrote: The magnetization energy of neo magnets is small, hardly worth considering as a power source. This means the energy needed to make the domains line up, right? - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Yes. From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 2:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net wrote: The magnetization energy of neo magnets is

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread James Bowery
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/indeng.html That gives the formula for a magnetic field's energy density (energy per volume) as: ½B^2/μ If, as our expert claims, the energy is basically in the noise, one should be able to come up with a simple calculation of an upper bounds

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread David Roberson
I was thinking about the energy that can be extracted by allowing many pieces of steel to slowly come into contact with a magnet which most likely would not demagnetize the original magnet. I think it is actually a way to redirect the external field. I had an interesting thought. Take two

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread James Bowery
If you trust wikipedia on stuff like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet#Description Therefore, as the maximum energy density is proportional to Js2, this magnetic phase has the potential for storing large amounts of magnetic energy (BHmax ~ 512 kJ/m3 or 64 MG·Oe), considerably

[Vo]:Some info from Steorn's research

2013-04-15 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD6gT3QIlpY http://www.steorn.com/orbo/papers/jm-rice-report-28april-2008.pdf http://www.steorn.com/orbo/papers/Exploration_of_BH_Time_Effects_STRN-TR-APR -0001-0001.pdf http://www.steorn.com/orbo/papers/asymmetry-and-energy-in-magnetic-systems-r

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread David Roberson
A cubic centimeter would have 512 kj/m^3 /100 m^3 = .516 joules. This equates to .516 newton-meters for a magnet 1 cm cube. It appears that the force would be rather intense if most of this energy was concentrated within the closest centimeter from the magnet. Obviously Yildiz does not

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread Harry Veeder
CoE would still apply in this case the total energy before = total energy after energy the substance = energy of substance + energy of escaping neutrinos. A cooling substance that violated CoE wouldn't be producing enough particles or radiation to balance the equation. Harry On Sat, Apr 13,

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:24 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: That means he has a whopping 512kJ to run down during his 5 hours. This calculates out to: 512kJ;5hour?W (512 * [kilo*joule]) * (5 * hour)^-1 ? watt = 28.44 W That's just about enough to run a little fan.

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread David Roberson
Good point Eric. I saw a short video and the fan blade was tiny. About the size of a large model plane prop. I would guess a couple of watts, but it is difficult to determine. We need good data to evaluate the Yildiz device. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 7:10:00 PM Good point Eric. I saw a short video and the fan blade was tiny. About the size of a large model plane prop. I would guess a couple of watts, but it is difficult to determine. We need good data to evaluate

Re: [Vo]:Particle size of photon

2013-04-15 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:37:33 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] I have always been suspicious of why a photon of light interacts with only one electron when the wavelength of the light is many times larger than the atom that contains that electron in orbit. Why is

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:49:20 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] I am having a difficult time judging the amount of energy stored in these magnets. I recall almost having a finger removed when holding a piece of steel near a powerful rare earth magnet. The force

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:56:56 -0400: Hi, [snip] CoE would still apply in this case the total energy before = total energy after energy the substance = energy of substance + energy of escaping neutrinos. A cooling substance that violated CoE wouldn't be

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-15 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:51 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:56:56 -0400: Hi, [snip] CoE would still apply in this case the total energy before = total energy after energy the substance = energy of substance + energy of escaping

[SPAM] Re: [Vo]:Particle size of photon

2013-04-15 Thread David Roberson
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:37:33 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] I have always been suspicious of why a photon of light interacts with only one electron when the wavelength of the light is many times larger than the atom that contains that electron in orbit. Why is