RE: [Vo]:Rossi will become a destroyer of nations.

2014-06-09 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Axil, Stay on point. Who would be held responsible for bringing Russia down? Whose fault is it? Putin or Rossi? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
1: There is no such things as probability, things either happen or they don't. Rossi either IS real, or he is NOT real.. There is no such thing as probability in reality. I see.. On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 5:12 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze's ego is astounding, thinking that

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
I guess what your'e really saying is that God Does Not Play Dice. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 5:36 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: 1: There is no such things as probability, things either happen or they don't. Rossi either IS real, or he is NOT real.. There is no such thing as

RE: [Vo]:Rossi will become a destroyer of nations.

2014-06-09 Thread Mike Carrell
The game changer is not Rossi but Black Light Power’s SunCell technology which is now taking shape. Readers of Vo have been put off by seemingly wild exaggerations in BLP’s press release and a studied reluctance to understand BLP because the technology is so different from ’cold fusion’ or

Re: [Vo]:Rossi will become a destroyer of nations.

2014-06-09 Thread James Bowery
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote: The game changer is not Rossi but Black Light Power’s SunCell technology which is now taking shape. Readers of Vo have been put off by seemingly wild exaggerations in BLP’s press release I wasn't put off by wild

Re: [Vo]:Rossi will become a destroyer of nations.

2014-06-09 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Well, the great about BLP is that they make Rossi look credible. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote: The game changer is not Rossi but Black Light Power’s SunCell technology which is now taking shape. Readers of Vo have been put off by seemingly wild

[Vo]:The speed of technological change

2014-06-09 Thread fznidarsic
How fast could cold fusion progress? I took a graphic picture of technological change now in progress. What was once of great value, like a projection TV, is now just junk. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/TechnologyChange.jpg enjoy Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread John Berry
Well I worded that strongly to drive home a point, we often hide our ignorance in the talk of probability. There are 4 domains in which we apply probability. 1: Things which are set and we are ignorant of, no actual element of chance exist, such as with Rossi. 2: Macro chance, things that we

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
I believe it is fair to say that in quantum mechanics probabilities actually exist in the physical sense (assuming the theories are correct). In the macroscopic world, probabilities do not exist in the same sense that atoms exist, or energy, or states of matter. Instead, probabilities are measure

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
In the macroscopic world, probabilities do not exist in the same sense that atoms exist, or energy, or states of matter. I suspect Schrodinger's cat would disagree with this statement. The microscopic significantly influences the macroscopic world. The eCat is a perfect example of this.

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread John Berry
Blaze, a fine verbal joust. But you must admit it is not even close to reality. Now you are engaging in a factious argument, Rossi and his eCat are not wave functions yet to be collapsed. Good comedy, but if I were to take you at your word, I would consider you needing to be picked up by some

Re: [Vo]:New Ni-C material identified with potential for LENR

2014-06-09 Thread Bob Cook
I just saw the following discussion on Rossi’ blog: Joseph Fine June 8th, 2014 at 8:41 AM Dear Andrea Rossi, Below is a link to an article from eurekalert on the synthesis of Nickel Carbon Fullerenes. The lead author (‘Andrey Popov’) is not sure of the practical applications of this

RE: [Vo]:New Ni-C material identified with potential for LENR

2014-06-09 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Cook I just saw the following discussion on Rossi’ blog: [snip] a link to an article from eurekalert on the synthesis of Nickel Carbon Fullerenes. Hi Bob, What would be the theory of why this is preferable for LENR to a simple mix of nickel nanopowder and either CNT or

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Everything in the universe is a wave function waiting to be collapsed. This is how the universal simulator avoids pointless CPU processing. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:59 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze, a fine verbal joust. But you must admit it is not even close to reality.

Re: [Vo]:New Ni-C material identified with potential for LENR

2014-06-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Bob Cook I just saw the following discussion on Rossi’ blog: [snip] a link to an article from eurekalert on the synthesis of Nickel Carbon Fullerenes. Hi Bob, What would be the theory of why this is

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread John Berry
Wrong. Rossi has either found a real effect, or he hasn't. If he hasn't, then we can assume that there is no way to get results just like he claimed in the fashion he claimed. It would be odd to say the least to propose that he is faking something that could be made to work with a tiny tweak.

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Rossi has either found a real effect, or he hasn't. ***Nope. Not even Pons Fleischmann can lay claim to having found the effect. What Rossi found was a way to get more consistent replications by separating out H2 gas into monoatomic hydrogen gas before it gets loaded into a nickel chamber.

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread John Berry
You are back at he level of human ignorance though. Sure, maybe Rossi doesn't know for sure his effect is really overunity. Maybe he doesn't know it is extraordinary. Or just some false positive. BUT the effect is either real, or not real. It doesn't have a chance one way or the other then

RE: [Vo]:New Ni-C material identified with potential for LENR

2014-06-09 Thread Bob Cook
The discussion indicated that the new substance had unusual magnetic properties and could potentially harbor lots of H (or D.) If the magnetic field was sufficient to allow the formation of Cooper pairs of H ions, the formation of D and hence He may be possible with the distribution of

Re: [Vo]:New Ni-C material identified with potential for LENR

2014-06-09 Thread Bob Cook
I neglected to add my favored coupling mechanism of spin being the method of fractionation of the energy to the fullerene matrix. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Jones Beene Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎June‎ ‎9‎, ‎2014 ‎3‎:‎42‎ ‎PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: Bob Cook I just

Re: [Vo]:New Ni-C material identified with potential for LENR

2014-06-09 Thread Bob Cook
Terry--I wondered the same thing. I assumed they were related and the a good potential use was in the gravity shielding arena. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Terry Blanton Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎June‎ ‎9‎, ‎2014 ‎4‎:‎22‎ ‎PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:42 PM,

Re: [Vo]:New Ni-C material identified with potential for LENR

2014-06-09 Thread Bob Cook
Jones- Another item relative to the theory would be that the larger structure of the Fullerene relative the carbon tube would be a larger population of H within the structure and a greater probability of interaction. The largeness of the QM system may make fractionation more probable also.

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it is fair to say that in quantum mechanics probabilities actually exist in the physical sense (assuming the theories are correct). This is the predominant interpretation of quantum mechanics, but one that is

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread Axil Axil
The de Broglie-Bohm theory is now considered by some to be a valid challenge to the prevailing orthodoxy of the Copenhagen Interpretation, but it remains controversial. It is both realistic and deterministic and has nothing to do with probability. It has no implications for multiple universes and

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:14 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: You are back at he level of human ignorance though. ***What does such an expression even mean? You could easily claim it means so many different things. In context, it appears that you think I'm saying Rossi is ignorant,

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread John Berry
Kevin, I can only assume you have misunderstood what I was saying. Earlier you said: Not even Pons Fleischmann can lay claim to having found the effect. Which sound to me something like the great (not even) PF can't claim they definitively had a real effect, so Neither can Rossi be rightly

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:53 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin, I can only assume you have misunderstood what I was saying. Earlier you said: Not even Pons Fleischmann can lay claim to having found the effect. Which sound to me something like the great (not even) PF can't

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-06-09 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Kevin, I can only assume you have misunderstood what I was saying. ***It would appear that you misunderstood what I was saying.