Re: [Vo]:Re: Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Craig Haynie
Pressure inside the dog bone is calculated to have been near 19,861 psi at the time of failure. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BWYbi6tBHcjZ4PyQ0BaWn-G1NkdQdkirb-_Qx2HypKs/edit Craig

[Vo]:Re: Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Mark Jurich
I believe there maybe an error in this pressure estimate and that the calculated pressure will be exactly half of 19,861 psi (i.e., 9,930.5 psi). Although 0.0141 moles of Hydrogen are released, 0.00706 moles of Hydrogen Gas (H2) are released. I don't believe that free H atoms/ions contribute

Re: [Vo]:Re: Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Jack Cole
I wonder to what extent the temperature gradient could have been a factor in the failure with one end of the tube being much cooler (the part that is outside of the heating element with the compression fitting on it). Perhaps this would reduce the amount of pressure the alumina could contain? On

[Vo]:more about creative replications

2015-02-08 Thread Peter Gluck
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Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Bob Higgins
For some of the deviations, there was no good excuse. For some, there is good reason. MFMP has had difficulty replicating the Parkhomov seals, and does not yet have the right size alumina parts for proper Parkhomov replication. And in the Parkhomov design, it is hard to tell if the seal failed

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread AlanG
My notes on sealing tests using the Parkhomov cement formulation can be seen at: http://www.evernote.com/l/AXeKakT2sSpFMpLYlLx85OpP_c-MaaApbfs/ Dr Parkhomov has provided some additional details, which I will try in the coming week. My conclusion so far is that a cement that contains water as

RE: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins * * For some of the deviations, there was no good excuse. For some, there is good reason… The best data from the experiment just completed is that the sealing of the compression fitting with the aluminum ferrule was good. This is a serious win, because it

Re: [Vo]:Re: Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Bob Cook
I would say that the thermal gradients are important in the stress profile of the tube and could easily lead to failure in combination with the pressure. The alumina has some mechanical properties, including fracture toughness, since it is not an jnfinitely ducctile material. Small defects

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Bob Cook
I think the failure was caused by a brittle fracture of the alumina tube due to thermal stresses, internal micro stresses caused by micro bubble formation and resulting embrittlement. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Bob Higgins Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎February‎ ‎6‎, ‎2015 ‎1‎:‎00‎ ‎PM To:

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread ChemE Stewart
Maybe submersing in water bath would help even temp profile On Sunday, February 8, 2015, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: I think the failure was caused by a brittle fracture of the alumina tube due to thermal stresses, internal micro stresses caused by micro bubble formation and

RE: [Vo]:what is needed to give rise to visible Cherenkov radiation?

2015-02-08 Thread Jones Beene
The holding tank for the fuel rods is filled with borated water. The neutron-boron reaction produces fast ions, which thermalize by knocking electrons free from water molecules – as does the other isotope decay reactions from the rods. Electrons of about 200-300 keV cause the glow – when

RE: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Jones Beene
Yes, that is the good news - that the compression fitting works, and if the problem relates to thermal stress, there is an easy way to fix that also. To minimize thermal stress – the heater wire could be “feathered in” from both ends, when it is wound so that there is an intermediate zone of

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Bob Higgins
I think estimations of the gas pressure inside the dogbone reactor tube at failure are probably substantial over-estimates. We don't really know how much volume was displaced by the Ni, so the volume estimate for the chamber is probably only accurate +100%/-50%. The volume of the system can and

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread James Bowery
In an experiment where replication is everything, it takes a pretty compelling reason to deviate from the exact protocol and the justification for such deviation should be carefully documented prior to the experimental run. Where is this documentation for the justification for departure from

RE: [Vo]:Re: Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Nit pick: The stress in the end caps is twice that of the body if I remember my Mech E statics classes correctly. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 8:52 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Dog

RE: [Vo]:Re: Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Jones Beene
Although hydrogen is released from metal hydrides at rates which increase with increasing temperature– the fallacy of a few of these calculations is that the release is also pressure dependent; and thus the release will slow or stop at high pressure. Therefore the release is self-regulating.

Re: [Vo]:what is needed to give rise to visible Cherenkov radiation?

2015-02-08 Thread Bob Cook
Eric-- The Cherenkov radiation I have seen is primarily blue. It is associated with the high energy particles emitted from spent fuel in a water storage pool and I think is associated with the slowing down of the particles in water, as you suggest. I also think it is associated with the

RE: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread a.ashfield
Jones Beene wrote: If the failure was only pressure-related, it would happen near the middle of the cavity, which is the region of least structural strength against internal pressure - but since the failure (apparently) happened at almost exactly the place where the temperature gradient would be

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Terry Blanton
My guess is that a critical parameter is mass of reactant ratio to volume inside the reactor.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread mixent
In reply to Craig Haynie's message of Sun, 08 Feb 2015 04:44:49 -0500: Hi, The bursting pressure of a pipe/tube is related to diameter, wall thickness, and tensile strength, not just the last. Pressure inside the dog bone is calculated to have been near 19,861 psi at the time of failure.

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Bob Higgins
Bob Greenyer comments that on the last 2 MFMP experiments, the resulting sintered Ni + Li, Al mass slid out of the alumina tube with no apparent sticking/sintering to the alumina. Thus, a reactor that is safely open-able after the reaction provides opportunity to sample the ash, and with the

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Axil Axil
The devil is in the details. IMHO, the primary cause of the failure was not pressure related. When the video of the event is viewed at 1/4 speed, at 2.29 a white spot caused by high heat buildup first appears in the field of scarlet near the point of failure. This bit of evidence shows that the

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread James Bowery
Looking at the BANG video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDfRaDY2R_A starting at 2:29, it seems likely that the sound track is behind the video track. Why? Because the events of 2:29 to 2:30 include a clear mechanical displacement of the right end of the tube that goes so far as to mechanically

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Axil Axil
It is hard to believe that the video feeds are the best part of a second out of sync. This dereliction of instrumentation would be a mortal sin against science. We must understand that such a problem can get people to follow false leads and waste tons of time trying to figure out a pressure

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread Axil Axil
The VI display held stead at 79.7 until the instant of the bang when it changed instantly to 76.9. the other field also changed in like sequence. This tells me that the sound and video is in sync. These two indicators are electrical flows to the heater coil. The heat suffered a shock at bang

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread James Bowery
The video frame of the BANG has 3 different video streams merged into different sections of the frame. It is likely that the video stream containing the VI display was in sync with the audio and the video stream of the white hot dogbone was ahead of the audio stream as well as the video stream