[Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Mary Yugo
Original URL: http://www.tovima.gr/science/article/?aid=430840 Somewhat garbled Google translate: *http://tinyurl.com/6mszlt4*http://tinyurl.com/6mszlt4 So they claim they paid Rossi $15 million if I understand it right. If it's true, he should have been able to fund U of B research for some

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
It says they had $15 million ready but Rossi did not complete the contract. That means they never paid Rossi the money and now they seem to be claiming the technology is all theirs. - *So the rift between you was not due only to non-payment of first installment repayment, said Mr. Rossi?*

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Original URL:   http://www.tovima.gr/science/article/?aid=430840 Somewhat garbled Google translate:  http://tinyurl.com/6mszlt4 Did you see the test chamber at the end of the article? T

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Daniel Rocha
There is also the part about the escrow account. 2011/11/20 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com Original URL: http://www.tovima.gr/science/article/?aid=430840 Somewhat garbled Google translate: *http://tinyurl.com/6mszlt4*http://tinyurl.com/6mszlt4 So they claim they paid Rossi $15 million

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Did you see the test chamber at the end of the article? That looks like one of Piantelli's experiments. Not sure, but I think that's what it is. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Original URL: http://www.tovima.gr/science/article/?aid=430840 Somewhat garbled Google translate: http://tinyurl.com/6mszlt4 Did you see the

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Peter Gluck
They are technologically skilled, good engineers and have refused to pay for an immature and unsafe product. Excess heat is only a necessary, but not a sufficient condition for an Energy Source. Rossi's E-cat has worked (was functional) but did not worked well. Defkalion, it seems, has defined the

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-20 18:30, Jed Rothwell wrote: That looks like one of Piantelli's experiments. Not sure, but I think that's what it is. I think that is a photograph of the very expensive equipment Piantelli uses to make his nickel powder. I remember seeing that somewhere else. Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: They are technologically skilled, good engineers and have refused to pay for an immature and unsafe product. Who are they? Who refused to pay, for what? I don't see that in the article. This translation is remarkably good, for a machine. A little hard

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2011-11-20 18:30, Jed Rothwell wrote: That looks like one of Piantelli's experiments. Not sure, but I think that's what it is. I think that is a photograph of the very expensive equipment Piantelli uses

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: I think that is a photograph of the very expensive equipment Piantelli uses to make his nickel powder. I remember seeing that somewhere else. Powder, or bulk Pd? I have some similar photos from Piantelli taken many years ago. This is the kind

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Peter Gluck
The test chamber is indeed very similar to Piantelli's high vacuum installation of Molecular Beam Epitaxy (see my 3rd paper abou Piantelli in my Blog). The Greek installation is: The engine configuration of the grains of Nickel in vacuum i.e. has the same function- manufacture of Ni nanoclusters.

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: So it's inappropriate for Defkalion (or the magazine article writers) to make use of it without attribution. I expect a copy editor misplaced the caption. You should not make accusations of nefarious behavior every time a magazine makes a minor error.

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-20 18:44, Peter Gluck wrote: The test chamber is indeed very similar to Piantelli's high vacuum installation of Molecular Beam Epitaxy (see my 3rd paper abou Piantelli in my Blog). It looks like the very same one to me:

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Peter Gluck
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: They are technologically skilled, good engineers and have refused to pay for an immature and unsafe product. Who are they? Who refused to pay, for what? I don't see that in

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: It looks like the very same one to me ... Same photo. Thanks! That issue is resolved! So what does it have to do with Defkalion other than to puff up the publication's piece? Anyone know?

RE: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Robert Leguillon
The article mentions Piantelli's new patent. I would assume that the author ran across the photo during that aspect of research, and failed to properly attribute it to Piantelli's nickel production. Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:08:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like the very same one to me ... Same photo. Thanks!  That issue is resolved! So what does it have to do with Defkalion other

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-20 19:15, Terry Blanton wrote: Consider the possibility that, having failed in the deal with Rossi, Defkalion made a deal with Piantelli. Interesting speculation. We might know if it's really the case in about two weeks of time (Defkalion GT announcement). It would be a tragicomic

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: We might know if it's really the case in about two weeks of time (Defkalion GT announcement). Anyone know when the countdown to this event started? Just curious when to look for it.

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-11-20 19:15, Terry Blanton wrote: Consider the possibility that, having failed in the deal with Rossi, Defkalion made a deal with Piantelli. Interesting speculation. We might know if it's really the

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Terry Blanton
Funny that they use the term The Three Musketeers of Cold Fusion in the caption of the first picture. That is what I called Jed Rothwell, Eugene Mallove and Chris Tinsley back in the day. T

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Peter Gluck
November 14, take a look to the Defkalion Forum. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/DGT_PRESS%20RELEASE_2011-11-14.pdf On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: We might know

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, it seems there was a point in the contract, that the E-cat should work continuously for at least 48 hours- and it didn't. Ah. You refer to the Sept. 6 test done by Quantum engineers and NASA, but which fails due to leakage. Yes, Rossi's prototype

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-20 19:26, Mary Yugo wrote: Anyone know when the countdown to this event started? Just curious when to look for it. On November 14th DGT announced: We will release a complete outline of our developments within the next two weeks.

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Funny that they use the term The Three Musketeers of Cold Fusion in the caption of the first picture. Maybe because someone's nose is lengthening?

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know when the countdown to this event started?   Just curious when to look for it. A week from Monday. T

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Daniel Rocha
We don't know what kind of ecat they wanted a proof. 2011/11/20 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: They are technologically skilled, good engineers and have refused to pay

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Peter Gluck
Defkalion's CEO says about the 48 hours work condition in this paper. If the E-cat has heated the office for two years, then it seems later it made serious regress. You can show any photography, how could we know that the thing heats indeed? As regarding Prof Focardi who; a) tacitly accepts the

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Daniel Rocha
We don't know what kind of ecat they wanted Rossi to show. 2011/11/20 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Defkalion's CEO says about the 48 hours work condition in this paper. If the E-cat has heated the office for two years, then it seems later it made serious regress. You can show any

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: We don't know what kind of ecat they wanted Rossi to show. I'm going to guess that they wanted to see the kind that works. I will further venture that they would have settled for any table top nuclear fusion reactor

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

2011-11-20 Thread Daniel Rocha
If Rossi is lying, so is Defkalion, they are playing the same gaming now. 2011/11/20 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: We don't know what kind of ecat they wanted Rossi to show. I'm going to guess that they wanted to