Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-06 Thread Daniel Rocha
A signal can propagate in arbitrary speed, if one solves a system of equations that doesn't take all fields in considerations. Even Maxwell equations allows that, in the coulomb gauge, and electric field to propagate faster than light. But even so, relativity is not violated, since the equations

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-06 Thread H Veeder
If you can send gibberish faster than light than you can send information faster than light. for example: gibberish-pause--gibberish could be binary code for '5' or morse code for 'K' Harry On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: A signal can propagate in

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-06 Thread Kevin O'Malley
, March 05, 2014 4:28 PM *To:* vortex-l *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity John: Do you have a citation for all these many findings? I'm debating someone elsewhere and she is not only unconvinced, she's far smarter and better educated than I am. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:24 PM

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-06 Thread John Berry
into the dime-box saloon!! The place could use some female energy... J -mark *From:* Kevin O'Malley [mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 05, 2014 4:28 PM *To:* vortex-l *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity John: Do you have a citation for all these many

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-06 Thread Gibson Elliot
... if the aether were proven to be true, so don't hold your breath there friend.  Gibson From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2014 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity Einstein considered

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-05 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:24 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to believe it is settled science as many do, you are welcome to do so. But I question it because no one is able to answer some very important questions such as how a photon can be explained to be C unless we

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-05 Thread H Veeder
Eric, Some of these corner cases may have some bearing on cold fusion. Harry On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:24 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote: If you want to believe it is settled science as many do, you are

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-05 Thread John Berry
I would argue that people who are biased (confirmation bias, which is intellectual dishonesty) applies to not just one subject for such people, but many subjects. And Special Relativity would be a more contentions point than even LENR since the later is not going against over a century of science,

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-05 Thread Kevin O'Malley
John: Do you have a citation for all these many findings? I'm debating someone elsewhere and she is not only unconvinced, she's far smarter and better educated than I am. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:24 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Special Relativity has made the assumption

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-05 Thread Kevin O'Malley
I'm not sure this is what you're getting at, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superluminal_communication Birgit Dopfer's experiment Although such communication is prohibited in the thought experiment described above, some argue that superluminal communication could be achieved via quantum

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-05 Thread John Berry
The Sagnac effect is a very good example. Then there are various interferometry drift experiments, and most have shown some degree of drift, just far less that a static aether the earth moves through, positive results are more common than not. Results are often interpreted to agree with SR, but

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-05 Thread John Berry
Here are some links: http://www.livescience.com/27920-quantum-action-faster-than-light.html http://www.conspiracyoflight.com/ www.anti-relativity.com http://www.mrelativity.net/ Many proofs against various aspects of SR http://www.newtonphysics.on.ca/faq/invalidation.html

RE: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-05 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 4:28 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity John: Do you have a citation for all these many findings? I'm debating someone elsewhere and she is not only unconvinced, she's far smarter and better educated than I am. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-05 Thread John Berry
some female energy... J -mark *From:* Kevin O'Malley [mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 05, 2014 4:28 PM *To:* vortex-l *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity John: Do you have a citation for all these many findings? I'm debating someone elsewhere and she

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-05 Thread John Berry
use some female energy... J -mark *From:* Kevin O'Malley [mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 05, 2014 4:28 PM *To:* vortex-l *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity John: Do you have a citation for all these many findings? I'm debating someone

[Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread D R Lunsford
No one will ever take cold fusion seriously if they come here and read nonsense about how relativity is wrong. All of these specious arguments focus on the constancy of the speed of light. What is never understood is that C isn't the speed of anything in particular. It is a parameter that

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread James Bowery
More to the point -- or perhaps I should say, to the bit -- is that it makes no more sense to talk about speeds greater than light than it does probabilities greater than 1: http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath216/kmath216.htm On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:35 PM, D R Lunsford

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread Axil Axil
Special relativity has limits which general relativity addresses. General relativity has limits and that is what quantum gravity attempts to address. There is the information paradox that requires some rework of general relativity. http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0004404 The universe is a flat

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread Gibson Elliot
...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 10:35 AM Subject: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity No one will ever take cold fusion seriously if they come here and read nonsense about how relativity is wrong. All of these specious arguments focus on the constancy of the speed of light

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread James Bowery
I'm somewhat disturbed by the fact that, although Google presents the linked article as the top result (at least to me), the rest of the first page is an assortment of unrelated theory. How such an obviously important isomorphism (that between special relativity's law of velocity addition and the

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
D R Lunsford antimatter3...@gmail.com wrote: No one will ever take cold fusion seriously if they come here and read nonsense about how relativity is wrong. So what? Who cares. If the reputation of cold fusion depends on what is written here, cold fusion is a lost cause. We might as well pack

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread James Bowery
Obviously true. Indeed, it is so obviously true that I neglected to address it. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: D R Lunsford antimatter3...@gmail.com wrote: No one will ever take cold fusion seriously if they come here and read nonsense about how

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread Kevin O'Malley
During the inflationary period of the universe, which was the first few microseconds, the entire space-time continuum is proposed to have expanded faster than the speed of light. Somehow this isn't viewed as a violation of C being a constant. In my mind, it is easier to view the speed of light

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread Axil Axil
In an experiment, Yevgeny Podkletnov claimed to have sent a signal over a distance of 1 kilometer at a superluminal speed of 64C. This was done using superconductive projections of a rapidly rotating magnetic field. The signal was timed using synchronized atomic clocks. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread H Veeder
The geometry of spacetime is a clever way of encoding the postulates of relativity theory, so of course spacetime will contain a parameter C. The use of spacetime to describe experience depends on the scope of the validity of the postulates. Harry On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:42 PM, James Bowery

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread James Bowery
What about probability theory? Is that a clever way of encoding the postulates of relativity theory? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:43 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: The geometry of spacetime is a clever way of encoding the postulates of relativity theory, so of course spacetime will

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Axil: Can you point us to that writeup? I find references to it on the internet but not the actual paper. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In an experiment, Yevgeny Podkletnov claimed to have sent a signal over a distance of 1 kilometer at a superluminal

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread Gibson Elliot
From: Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity Axil: Can you point us to that writeup?  I find references to it on the internet but not the actual paper

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.americanantigravity.com/news/space/eugene-podkletnov-on-antigravity.html The article referenced in this interview cost hundreds of dollars: Study of Light Interaction with Gravity Impulses and Measurements of the Speed of Gravity Impulses On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Kevin

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread Axil Axil
*Abstract* We propose here two new transformations between inertial frames that apply for relative velocities greater than the speed of light, and that are complementary to the Lorentz transformation, giving rise to the Einstein special theory of relativity that applies to relative velocities less

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread Axil Axil
I found something for free from the theorist that works with Yevgeny Podkletnov *G. Modanese* Free University of Bolzano Faculty of Science and Technology Bolzano University Italy http://benthamscience.com/ebooks/Sample/9781608053995-sample.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread Axil Axil
more... http://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.0958.pdf A comparison between the YBCO discharge experiments by E. Podkletnov and C. Poher, and their theoretical interpretations On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I found something for free from the theorist that works

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:35 AM, D R Lunsford antimatter3...@gmail.comwrote: No one will ever take cold fusion seriously if they come here and read nonsense about how relativity is wrong. You are no doubt correct about all of the nonsense going over this list about relativity being wrong. I

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread H Veeder
I think it is time to remind people what this list is about. http://amasci.com/weird/wvort.html The Vortex-L list was originally created for discussions of professional research into fluid vortex/cavitation devices which exhibit anomalous energy effects (ie: the inventions of Schaeffer, Huffman,

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread John Berry
Eric, you are welcome to your opinion, here are the facts. 2 thought experiments I have presented created a paradox that has turned out to be correct, disproving a commonly held component of General Relativity, that G-force has time dilation equivalent to time dilation of gravity (2 wikipedia

Re: [Vo]:Disproofs of Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread H Veeder
I don't know. harry On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:51 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: What about probability theory? Is that a clever way of encoding the postulates of relativity theory? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:43 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: The geometry of spacetime