Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview

2009-04-18 Thread Pierre Carbonnelle
Kim Y. wrote several papers on Bose Einstein Condensate, and one is rumored to be published in naturwissenschaften soon. You'll find them on lenr-canr.org Pierre C. On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:55 AM, thomas malloy temall...@usfamily.netwrote: Sounds more like a Bose Einstein Condensate to me.

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2009-04-18 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca mounted the barricade and roared out: - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Date: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:34 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website

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2009-04-18 Thread Horace Heffner
On Apr 17, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Jones Beene wrote: BTW - wasn't Frank Z or maybe Horace the first to suggest something akin to boson-like coherence, or did Chubb come in ahead of them with the quasi-BEC slant? Its been tossed around for a long time... My first posting on this here was

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2009-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: Wave unction overlap . . . So not only do we speculate that particles join the Hare Chrishna cult, but we have them excessive but superficial compliments given with affected charm and smug self-serving earnestness. They are anthropomorphic little devils! - Jed

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2009-04-18 Thread Horace Heffner
On Apr 18, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: Wave unction overlap . . . So not only do we speculate that particles join the Hare Chrishna cult, but we have them excessive but superficial compliments given with affected charm and smug self-serving earnestness.

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2009-04-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
The people at Energetics Technology put the video preview on their front page: http://superwavefusion.com/ This is one of the few groups of researchers in cold fusion who have a knack for public relations. Plus they know how to do a solid demonstration as well as a solid experiment. The two

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2009-04-17 Thread OrionWorks
From Jed, The people at Energetics Technology put the video preview on their front page: http://superwavefusion.com/ This is one of the few groups of researchers in cold fusion who have a knack for public relations. Plus they know how to do a solid demonstration as well as a solid

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2009-04-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: It is a bla, bla, bla conventional explanation of cold fusion. Then at 1:10 (timestamp from the end of the video) it says the deuterons begin to move more collectively, like a school of fish and it gets interesting. I am not sure what this refers to. Perhaps the Chubb

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2009-04-17 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: What does Chubb's theory entail? Honestly, God only knows -- that level of physics is far over my head -- but it sounds a bit like a school of fish to me. It involves a bunch of deuterons with overlapping wave functions, which lose their identity and begin acting as one, sort of

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2009-04-17 Thread Ron Wormus
Actually I think this is what Frank Znidarsic has been trying to get at with his electromagnetic Bose condensate convergence of the motion constants ideas but he has a very opaque method of explanation. Ron --On Friday, April 17, 2009 3:49 PM -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

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2009-04-17 Thread Jones Beene
Guys - Ah, yes. The HK Hare Krishna hypothesis. Atoms loosing their identity. That's as good an explanation as any I've heard! ;-) BTW - wasn't Frank Z or maybe Horace the first to suggest something akin to boson-like coherence, or did Chubb come in ahead of them with the quasi-BEC

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2009-04-17 Thread thomas malloy
OrionWorks wrote: Jed sez: What does Chubb's theory entail? It involves a bunch of deuterons with overlapping wave functions, which lose their identity and begin acting as one, sort of like For more information, see Scott Talbot Chubb's papers. Ah, yes. The HK Hare Krishna

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2009-04-17 Thread Mark Goldes
Not Robert Forward, Robert Carroll... Mark --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 2:34 PM Guys - Ah

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2009-04-17 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Date: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:34 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview Guys - Ah, yes. The HK Hare Krishna hypothesis. Atoms loosing their identity. That's as good

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2009-03-18 Thread Jones Beene
From: Stephen A. Lawrence replying to Mike Carrell: The 'ghost' of Stanley Meyer' haunts our efforts. By many accounts, he found a highly energy-efficient method of electrolyzing water to generate hydrogen for his go-cart, with the hydrolyzer running off

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2009-03-17 Thread fznidarsic
Mike Carrell Writes snip A conjectlure about all this is that we are searching for the Active Conditions thorugh the spatial domain and the time domain with these two processes. /snip Again The Constants of the motion tend toward thouse of the electromagnetic in a Bose condensate that is

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2009-03-16 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Mike Carrell wrote: The 'ghost' of Staney Meyer' haunts our efforts. By many accounts, he found a highly energy-efficient method of eletrolyzing water to generate hydrogen for his go-cart, with the hydrolyzer running off the the generator. In this list of conjectures, we should include the

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2009-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:59:14 -0400: Hi, [snip] See: http://superwavefusion.com/ Consider the following: 1) Iron absorbs Hydrogen, and thus so does steel (or at least some steels?) 2) The voltage regimen applied by Stanley Meyer somewhat resembled a

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2009-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:04:07 +1100: Hi, Oops, that should have been: 1615 eV / water molecule (divided where I should have multiplied :] The theoretical maximum is then also 545 times (assuming one can get every D to react). Consider the following: 1)

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2009-03-15 Thread Mike Carrell
, as do the phenomena of LENR. Nature is trying to tell us something but our ideas are too fixated on tradition to hear. Mike Carrell - Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology

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2009-03-15 Thread Mauro Lacy
Jed Rothwell wrote: See: http://superwavefusion.com/ Hi, They say they are leaders in the field; others also say it. They say they have achieved 50% reproducibility. If 20 years were needed to achieve 50% reproducibility, we can expect that less than 20 years will be needed to achieve 100%

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2009-03-14 Thread OrionWorks
From Jed: See: http://superwavefusion.com/ One of the best video promotional pieces I've seen in a long time - presented in stereo too. The presentation of the theory sounds plausible to me. It's my understanding that the idea of using super waves has been explored by start-ups. What does

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2009-03-14 Thread Edmund Storms
This is an impressive website and an impressive program, which shows what can be accomplished by a well funded effort run by competent people. It also shows the damage skeptics have done by stopping such progress from taking place all over the world earlier in the field's history. Ed

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2009-03-14 Thread thomas malloy
OrionWorks wrote: From Jed: http://superwavefusion.com/ What does the Vort Collective think? Is there reason to remain hopeful, or is this just, well, another dog and pony show? I think that the Super Wave Theory is great! I assume that it relates to the use of multiple harmonics.

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2009-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://superwavefusion.com/