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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:07 PM
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Motl is deleting my comment
That doesn't surprise me.
I too posted a comment. we'll see if he deletes it as well.
Here is my post
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
There's another way to perpetrate the output hoax, and that's to secrete
infrared lasers in the ceiling and heat the device up remotely.
Lasers?! Don't you think that seems just a little farfetched? And it
raises, once again, as
for Utopia. What's
not right is to a priori refuse to discuss the possibility of a hoax. In my
view that's simply infantile.
Andrew
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From: Mark Gibbs
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
, May 21, 2013 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
I think it's valuable to approach this topic as would a stage magician - just
recall how far this sort of keen observational common sense got Randi; you
don't need a whole lot of physics, but you do need a jaundiced eye. Rossi
Mr. Gibbs, welcome to our world.
Andrew, infrared lasers? Really.
Okay, somehow these scientists missed the hidden CO2 laser which would
create spot heating of the test device.
:-)
Whew. The paper which started this conversation indicates the
scientists involved and their academic affiliation. I would like to
caution some people, you know who you are, that this particular list,
Vortex-l is widely read.
Further caution, I have seen many statements which could be considered
that clear.
What do you think of my hoax theories?
Andrew
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From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:05 PM
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Whew. The paper which started this conversation indicates
What do you think of my hoax theories?
Well, when I look for a hoax, I also ask myself Where is the benefit?
Personally, I would avoid any implication that these scientists nor
their institutions are implicit in a hoax.
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
What do you think of my hoax theories?
Well, when I look for a hoax, I also ask myself Where is the benefit?
.
-Mark
From: Andrew [mailto:andrew...@att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
It's been pointed out here in comments by Isaac Brown
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/156393-cold-fusion-reactor-independently
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From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Personally, I would avoid any implication that these scientists nor
their institutions are implicit in a hoax.
On Tue, May
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
The thing about a successful hoax, Terry, is that it is the investigating
scientists who are fooled. Nobody is suggesting the sort of grand conspiracy
You might not be, but others are. I understand your point about
fooling
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
And note that all this was done inside Rossi's own facility. Note further
that, according to Randi, scientists are the most easily-fooled audience of
all. Just ask Geller and Taylor.
I have corresponded with Randi. He does not understand the first thing
about
does not address them.
Andrew
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From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:31 PM
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Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
And note that all this was done inside Rossi's own facility
the least bit likely?
It would be great if some of these scientists would join the discussion and set
aside your concerns.
Dave
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From: Andrew andrew...@att.net
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Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Hot Cat paper is a gem
Mr. Gibbs, welcome to our world.
Andrew, infrared lasers? Really.
Okay, somehow these scientists missed the hidden CO2 laser which would
create spot heating of the test device.
:-)
, May 21, 2013 6:16 PM
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Andrew,
I would be very surprised to find that these highly educated and qualified
scientists would fall for a power input trick. They had many days to uncover
anything of that nature.
Has anyone checked
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
Rossi has stated that the input waveform is proprietary. Therefore the
obvious question is whether these researchers were even allowed to look at
it.
I do not think they were allowed to look at it, but it is irrelevant. They
measured the power going into the
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
**
This is good to know. Can you specifically talk about the clamp-on ammeter
probes and their frequency response?
No, I do not know enough about that to comment. I will leave that to others.
- Jed
: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:18 PM
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And, of course, the reason that they misread the instruments was that they
were all blinded by the high power IR. Give me a break.
Dave
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From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
Rothwell
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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
Rossi has stated that the input waveform is proprietary. Therefore the
obvious question is whether these researchers were even allowed
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
**
I don't know if you are an EE in any way (I am),
Not at all.
but irrelevant it is not. If the measurement probes only work up to 60 Hz
and the majority . . .
I suggest you read the paper and find out if it has enough information to
eliminate this
: Andrew andrew...@att.net
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Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 9:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Dave,
That would be great if they joined in. It's not that I think there was foul
play so much as, going by what's been written in the paper, there's nothing
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
I don't know if you are an EE in any way (I am),
Not at all.
but irrelevant it is not. If the measurement probes only work up to 60 Hz
and the majority . . .
I suggest you read the paper and find
that they can be set
aside with the proper scrutiny.
Dave
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From: Andrew andrew...@att.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Hey, I admit that's a bit far out. But lasers can be straightforwardly coerced
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
**
I think you're right. Would you be interested in their response?
Of course. I am sure we would all be interested.
I have said several times that I've read the paper. Nevertheless, it seems
time for another reading.
I find I must read a paper like this
there - the
waveform generator - that's off limits.
Andrew
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From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:47 PM
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You definitely should drop any reference to powerful lasers. Can you
I agree with Jed's advice Andrew. This is an important issue which perhaps you
should pursue.
Dave
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From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Andrew
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Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 9:27 pm
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Hey, I admit that's a bit far out. But lasers can be straightforwardly
coerced into producing something that's not a spot, you know.
If there's foul play, my money
I'm not getting anything like the buzz I experienced in 1989 on
sci.physics.fusion, I must say. I suspect it's because I'm older!
Andrew
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From: Jed Rothwell
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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:49 PM
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 9:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
The remaining output hoax possibility is beamed RF into the antenna
resistors. Now, I do realise that this entails Prof. Levi crawling around in
the rafters like Quasimodo...LOL
of the
power is being pumped at 200 Hz (arbitrary numbers), and the probes are 40
dB down at 200 Hz
Andrew
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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:58 PM
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The ECAT is made of metal if I recall correctly which would not allow RF to
penetrate to activate the resistor antennas. Some might be able to follow the
wiring into the device, but the level would
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From: Daniel Rocha
To: John Milstone
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
But that would mean another device, a circuit, which modified the input when
they compared with the empty reactor.
2013/5/21 Andrew andrew...@att.net
I don't
:* Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
But that would mean another device, a circuit, which modified the input
when they compared with the empty reactor.
2013/5/21 Andrew andrew...@att.net
**
I don't know if you are an EE in any way (I am), but irrelevant it is
not. If the measurement
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Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 10:06 pm
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Dave,
Good call on the metal screening. I'll tell Harry to call off the mutant and
ill-tempered sea bass :)
I started out this morning very gung-ho about it all, and as the day has
progressed
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
You definitely should drop any reference to powerful lasers. Can you
imagine the liability that Rossi would face when reflections or direct path
radiation caused serious injuries? This is far outside the realm of reality.
The input questions
From: Andrew andrew...@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:07:19 PM
Dave,
Good call on the metal screening. I'll tell Harry to call off the
mutant and ill-tempered sea bass :)
I started out this morning very gung-ho about it all, and as the day
has progressed, and I read more
From: Joe Hughes jhughe...@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:45:55 PM
Two things that confuse me about the two tests.
Second, Rossi
is incredibly paranoid and for good reason i might add, so was their
something the first test showed that he was concerned about which
caused him to
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Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 10:46 pm
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Two things that confuse me about the two tests.
First, they both utilized completely different power sources that were
supposedly part of his trade secret. the supply during the first test was a
three phase
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
I'm still somewhat skeptical about the whole thing simply because there are
too many unknowns but the arguments that it is just a hoax are getting
harder to believe ... it would have to be the biggest, most elaborate hoax
in
(modified) and #4.
Andrew
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From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:20 PM
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On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
I'm still somewhat skeptical
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
You definitely should drop any reference to powerful lasers. Can you
imagine the liability that Rossi would face when reflections or direct path
radiation caused serious injuries? This is far outside the realm of
reality.
The input questions
From: Andrew andrew...@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:34:42 PM
If we're going all Bayesian on this, we'd need to calculate some
priors. It's my impression that generally speaking it's not easy to
bribe a high-ranking scientist, and not easy to bribe Swedish
people, so as far as
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Michele Comitini
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
The following argument is complete nonsense and stops me from reading the
full article. No one, unless writing a book that requires complex
mathematical notation is so foul to use TeX instead of LaTeX. If one
I just read this paper for the third time. This is a gem. These people
think and write like engineers rather than scientists. That is a complement
coming from me. They dot every i and cross every t. I can't think of a
single thing I wish they had checked but did not.
In ever instance, their
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From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, May 20, 2013 10:10 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
I just read this paper for the third time. This is a gem. These people think
and write like engineers rather than scientists. That is a complement
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