Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-24 Thread Horace Heffner
Sorry for the late post, but I am now about 400 articles behind on my reading. On Jun 14, 2008, at 6:54 AM, Jones Beene wrote: [snip] 5) There is a mystery ingredient which needs to be replenished periodically. Unlike the gallium-aluminum process from Purdue University, recently announced

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-23 Thread Wesley Bruce
Jones Beene wrote: This blogster apparently is taking a comical view of it: http://icantseeyou.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/06/genepax-unveils-a-car-that-generates-electricity-with-only-water-air.html However, other sources say the output is only 300 watts, and that the power unit was shown

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-23 Thread Mike Carrell
Message - From: Wesley Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:News from Japan Jones Beene wrote: This blogster apparently is taking a comical view of it: http://icantseeyou.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/06/genepax-unveils-a-car

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-21 Thread Wesley Bruce
Jones Beene wrote: Not to be outdone by the GMs Volt Could be a major breakthrough ...or not http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/genepax-shows-off-water-powered-fuel-cell-vehicle/ This only makes sense if the electrolysis unit is burning the metal in them. The metals oxidize and liberate

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-21 Thread Wesley Bruce
Jones Beene wrote: Not to be outdone by the GMs Volt Could be a major breakthrough ...or not http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/genepax-shows-off-water-powered-fuel-cell-vehicle/ Why is the driver of the jap thing wearing a hockey mask??? Which horror film rerun is he going to?

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-15 Thread Jones Beene
Big Correction (retraction) -- in this paper: http://www.hydrino.org/Labs/Final-Report-Nascent-Hydrogen.pdf The previous suggestion was wildly incorrect, since the connection of an anomaly in ionization potential to a an exploitable energy gap cannot be made, via triggered oscillations

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-14 Thread Jones Beene
RUMOR CENTRAL Take the following with a grain of sodium hydride... oops make that sodium chloride ;-) Coming on the heels of BLP's recent announcement of a solid fuel power plant ... does this development represent oneupsmanship from our friends to the East? Is there a hidden agenda or strategy

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will be interesting to see what happens... They promise an announcement in english soon: http://genepax.co.jp/en/index.html Maybe Jed would look at the Japanese version and see if he can gleam any additional information:

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-14 Thread Terry Blanton
This site: http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20080613/153276/ says it uses a membrane electrode: The basic power generation mechanism of the new system is similar to that of a normal fuel cell, which uses hydrogen as a fuel. According to Genepax, the main feature of the new system is

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-14 Thread Jones Beene
--- Terry Blanton wrote: This site: http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20080613/153276/ says it uses a membrane electrode: The company president is Hirasawa Kiyoshi. Googling that name, here are patents issued, mostly in unrelated fields (still looking) but some of them in

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-14 Thread Jones Beene
Terry ...speaking of a membrane electrode in the context of a possible shrunken-hydrogen ... ...thinking aloud: protons are conducted by many metals like palladium and plastics (PEM) which are used in fuel cells; but it takes lots of chemical energy to create ions (protons) for the *single

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW - in past speculation, it has been suggested by me that the ultimate source of energy for hydrinos is most likely to be ZPE and NOT orbital shrinkage. ZPE would be increasingly intense and possibly unbalanced in the

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A half-wave ZPE rectifier? Naa, too bizarre. And poorly written. Can the Casimir force cause an electron to collapse into a lower energy state at some lower orbit thus causing an oscillation between two fractional orbits

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe, and looking at the image on this page: http://genepax.co.jp/mechanism/mechanism.html ... it seems that this reversible transfer could perhaps be done with a third electrode and a time lag? ERGO the metaphor of a

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-14 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Terry Blanton wrote: This site: http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20080613/153276/ says it uses a membrane electrode: The basic power generation mechanism of the new system is similar to that of a normal fuel cell, which uses hydrogen as a fuel. According to Genepax, the main

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-14 Thread Jones Beene
--- Terry Blanton wrote: Maybe it's both? The orbitsphere in a reduced orbit would restrict the modes of penetrable ZPE photons a la Casimir. Suppose there is an orbital level whereby the energy absorbed by the shrunken orbit is slightly greater that what is required to push the electron out

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-14 Thread Jones Beene
Meant to say: in this paper: http://www.hydrino.org/Labs/Final-Report-Nascent-Hydrogen.pdf ... what you find are particles embedded in the tubes that are much smaller than a molecule, but are not atoms, and the 2 electrons are very tightly bound. The electrons swap nuclei, often in little

[Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-13 Thread Jones Beene
Not to be outdone by the GMs Volt Could be a major breakthrough ...or not http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/genepax-shows-off-water-powered-fuel-cell-vehicle/

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-13 Thread Jones Beene
This blogster apparently is taking a comical view of it: http://icantseeyou.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/06/genepax-unveils-a-car-that-generates-electricity-with-only-water-air.html However, other sources say the output is only 300 watts, and that the power unit was shown openly at a trade show

Re: [Vo]:News from Japan

2008-06-13 Thread OrionWorks
Jones sez: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This blogster apparently is taking a comical view of it: http://icantseeyou.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/06/genepax-unveils-a-car-that-generates-electricity-with-only-water-air.html