On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:50 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 03:21 PM 7/16/2009, Horace Heffner wrote:
The emission rate for alphas in CF experiments is very low. Some
CR-39 exposures have only a few dozen per mm^2, for a two week
experiment.
Those wouldn't be the experiments with the
At 03:21 PM 7/16/2009, Horace Heffner wrote:
The emission rate for alphas in CF experiments is very low. Some
CR-39 exposures have only a few dozen per mm^2, for a two week
experiment.
Those wouldn't be the experiments with the detector immediately next
to the electrode, if I have it right.
On Jul 15, 2009, at 8:50 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:59:10
-0800:
Hi,
[snip]
A 100 micron foil weighs 12 g/
cm^3 * (100x10^-6 cm) = 0.0012 g/cm^2 = 1.2 mg/cm^2. Attenuation in
a 100 micron thick Pd foil, a 1.2 mg/cm foil, would
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
I get 120 mg/cm^2 which results in an energy loss of 36 MeV, more than
enough to
stop them. (100 micron is 100x10^-6 m, not 100 x 10^-6 cm).
This may be true, as far as it goes, but it still seems to missing the
forest for the trees.
Every
On Jul 16, 2009, at 6:50 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
I get 120 mg/cm^2 which results in an energy loss of 36 MeV, more
than
enough to
stop them. (100 micron is 100x10^-6 m, not 100 x 10^-6 cm).
This may be true, as far as it goes, but it
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:59:10 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
A 100 micron foil weighs 12 g/
cm^3 * (100x10^-6 cm) = 0.0012 g/cm^2 = 1.2 mg/cm^2. Attenuation in
a 100 micron thick Pd foil, a 1.2 mg/cm foil, would only be on the
order of (0.3 MeV/mg/cm^2) * (1.2
At 11:59 PM 7/12/2009, you wrote:
All said, I see the gaping hole in Takahashi's theory being the
orders of magnitude lack of detectable high energy alphas. Perhaps
it is just a calculation error on my part. It wouldn't be the first
time such a thing has happened. 8^)
Sure. But Takahashi
On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 11:59 PM 7/12/2009, you wrote:
All said, I see the gaping hole in Takahashi's theory being the
orders of magnitude lack of detectable high energy alphas. Perhaps
it is just a calculation error on my part. It wouldn't be the first
On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 11:59 PM 7/12/2009, you wrote:
All said, I see the gaping hole in Takahashi's theory being the
orders of magnitude lack of detectable high energy alphas. Perhaps
it is just a calculation error on my part. It wouldn't be the first
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
How much glory and, face it, money, is there in reproducing an
experiment and confirming it?
In the case of cold fusion these values are negative. Instead of
glory, you get the frozen boot (as the Russians call it). You don't
get money; you pay it, in lost income.
Oh, I forgot this question.
On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Bremsstrahlung radiation has been mentioned. My understanding is
that it's been detected. Enough?
There has been evidence of emissions in the low energy x-rays or high
energy UV range. I personally
Horace Heffner wrote:
There have also been stunning heat after death radiographs of Ti
cathodes taken at BARQ India. The surfaces were active for
months. Search on radiograph on LENR- CANR.org.
Note however, that's lukewarm fusion. Not exactly cold. Way more
reactions than predicted by
On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
There have also been stunning heat after death radiographs of Ti
cathodes taken at BARQ India. The surfaces were active for
months. Search on radiograph on LENR- CANR.org.
Note however, that's lukewarm fusion. Not
Correction:
I wrote: I could be wrong, but I get the impression he has other
fish to fry.
That should be: As usual, I'm probably wrong, but ... .
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
At 10:35 PM 7/10/2009, you wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
So why does Takahashi not mention the words Bose-Einstein
condensate, which is what the TSC seems to be?
... not cold enough ?
And why does Kim not mention Takahashi, his prior experimental work, and
his
Now, this really gets to it!
At 12:03 AM 7/11/2009, you wrote:
On Jul 10, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Takahashi's theory ... it seems to me that it predicts most known
CF phenomena:
1. No direct neutrons.
2. Surface reaction, since deuterium dissociates on entering the
The emission of barely detectable amounts of 23.8 MeV alphas from
thin foils or co-deposition experiments is not consistent with the
excess heat observed
It is not consistent with anything in the real world (of hot fusion). If you
are going to accept the helium which is there, admittedly, as
On Jul 12, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
I think the temperature is misleading. What matters is the
*relative* energies of the two molecules; if they happen to have
low relative energy -- the opposite of what we thought would be
needed! --, they are as if at very low
On Jul 12, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
That sounds like the right objection. However, what I haven't seen
is estimates of the actual particle counts compared to what would
be expected from the generated heat.
It's common sense. An experiment producing a watt for two
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:31:59 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
produce them. You can do the heat transfer estimate, based on the
thermal conductivity of the electrolyte, but I don't think that is
necessary, because the observed tracks and expected (under Takahashi)
At 08:31 PM 7/12/2009, you wrote:
since the normal CR-39 direct-contact chip is solidly damaged in
areas in contact,
The CR-39 is not damaged when the 6 micron protective film is in
place. Also, the electrolysis damage and contact damage
arguments were invalidated by control experiments.
On Jul 12, 2009, at 7:07 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:31:59
-0800:
Hi,
[snip]
produce them. You can do the heat transfer estimate, based on the
thermal conductivity of the electrolyte, but I don't think that is
necessary,
On Jul 12, 2009, at 7:36 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 08:31 PM 7/12/2009, you wrote:
since the normal CR-39 direct-contact chip is solidly damaged in
areas in contact,
The CR-39 is not damaged when the 6 micron protective film is in
place. Also, the electrolysis damage and contact
... Long before PF, when Aspden ... was talking about bound dual virtual
muons. This
citation will be hard to find: H. Aspden: Physics without Einstein
(Sabberton, Southampton, 1969)
IN order not to leave a loose end in this thread - and for completing a
minimal virtual muon hypothesis for cold
Correction:
I wrote: The emission of barely detectable amounts of 23.8 MeV
alphas from thin foils or co-deposition experiments is not consistent
with the excess heat observed.
I should have more precisely written: The emission of small amounts
of alphas from thin foils or co-deposition
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:43:39 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Luis Alvarez was the first reported observer of muon-catalyzed fusion, and
despite deuterium being present along with hydrogen in the gaseous medium,
the reaction was NOT d-d fusion.
Asking oneself: why not? could
Luis Alvarez was the first reported observer of muon-catalyzed fusion, and
despite deuterium being present along with hydrogen in the gaseous medium,
the reaction was NOT d-d fusion.
Asking oneself: why not? could be instructive.
RvS ...because he was looking at ordinary Hydrogen, and only one
Takahashi's theory of the formation of a Tetrahedral Symmetric
Condensate by, as I understand it, two deuterium molecules, i.e.,
four deuterons and the four electrons, which if they arrange with
each deuteron at a vertex of a tetrahedron, which is what would be
optimal packing into the cubic
-Original Message-
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
So why does Takahashi not mention the words Bose-Einstein
condensate, which is what the TSC seems to be?
... not cold enough ?
And why does Kim not mention Takahashi, his prior experimental work, and
his theory?
... professional
On Jul 10, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Takahashi's theory ... it seems to me that it predicts most known
CF phenomena:
1. No direct neutrons.
2. Surface reaction, since deuterium dissociates on entering the
lattice.
3. Takahashi predicts from quantum theory that if the
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