In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 30 Apr 2013 08:04:26 -0700:
Hi Jones,
Ok, lets clear a few things up.
First, I meant nothing special when using the word "slow", just that all beta
decays are slow compared to prompt gamma emission.
The decay of a 63Ni nucleus to a 63Cu nucleus actually
Hi Robin,
This is a VERY important point, and if there was such a thing as "slow beta
decay" as you suggest, especially in nickel and palladium - then it would be
fabulous for the entire field of LENR. Essentially, it would bolster
Hagelstein's theory of slow energy dispersal. This could be a grea
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:41:16 -0700:
Hi Jones,
I did see, but it's not relevant. It applies to Ni63 in the ground state, which
undergoes a slow beta decay. However when a neutron is added to Ni62, you get
Ni63 in a highly excited state (6.84 MeV), which must dives
Robin,
If you haven't already read the following reference, it may be relevant-
"Highly localized quantum elastic processes in solids"
http://www.lacrimae-rerum.it/documents/Highlylocalizedquantumelasticprocessesinsolids.pdf
- which discusses (p.281) the apparent conflict between relativistic
ca
Hi Robin,
> A real neutron also leaves too much energy to account for: n + 62Ni =>
63Ni + 6.84 MeV
You must not have seen the reference I sent earlier - 63Ni has a beta decay
energy which is tiny - only 17.4 keV on average with no gamma. See it near
the end of this table (12th from the bottom):
Robin, I think you have it right there. It would be just like the
Mössbauer effect! Consider that the Ni62 is already bound to a lattice and
virtual neutron's embedded electron is loosely coupled, the core of the
(Ni62 or excited Cu63) would be the receiver/emitter of the energy. There
would be
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:48:17 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>If the excess were lower
>- in the range of what a beta decay "would have been with a real neutron"
>instead of a VN, everything would be dandy.
A real neutron also leaves too much energy to account for:-
n + 62Ni
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder
Also remind us how this process generates heat.
If a virtual neutron were to be found to be responsible for the Rossi
reaction, then the excess mass from the nascent nucleus (Cu-63) would be
converted to energy, but that is the problem - there seem
Also remind us how this process generates heat.
Harry
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
> Arnaud,
>
> Yes - that is why I tried to make it clear that a VN or virtual neutron
> reaction is not the same as a beta decay (following a real neutron
> absorption, which has a half-life
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
> You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant
For those seekin' balance . . . the next line " 'ceptin' Alice."
e.g. Alice herself is not available.
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:18:41 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>Original Message-
>From: mix...@bigpond.com
>
>H + 62Ni => 63Cu + 6.122 MeV
>
>When you looked at the beta decay of 63Ni, you forgot the energy from the
>addition of the proton. This energy has to be carried
Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
H + 62Ni => 63Cu + 6.122 MeV
When you looked at the beta decay of 63Ni, you forgot the energy from the
addition of the proton. This energy has to be carried by something.
Hmmm ... burp ... how about a loan, Robin? Isn't this where Ali
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 28 Apr 2013 11:56:10 -0700:
Hi Jones,
[snip]
>When this VN nears the larger nucleus however, the bond to the electron is
>broken, but since the electron has effectively shielded the charge of the
>proton, for long enough for the strong force of the Ni to s
That is a good question, but it is clear that Rossi has risked everything on
this detail. The way his patent is worded, it is worthless for anything
else.
As mentioned in a previous thread, Ni-62 is a singularity in being the
isotope with the highest binding energy per nucleon of all known nuclide
Jones,
Ok, I understood. But then what makes the Ni62 special in this case?
Arnaud
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From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: dimanche 28 avril 2013 20:56
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:More on a KGS "virtual neutron"
The concentration on N62 by Rossi is a false lead. DGT has revealed that
Ni58, Ni60, and Ni64 will also support the LENR Ni/H reaction.
All these candidate Ni/H fuels have a nuclear spin of zero. That
coincidence may well be significant.
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Arnaud Kodeck wrot
Arnaud,
Yes - that is why I tried to make it clear that a VN or virtual neutron
reaction is not the same as a beta decay (following a real neutron
absorption, which has a half-life). The analogy is being used to assess the
net energy available.
It is hard to make this kind of distinction crystal
Jones,
It's very interesting theory. Nevertheless, in the web page you mention here
below, it says that Ni63 has a half life of around 100 years (a century). I
don't think Rossi's device can stay on for that long time.
Arnaud
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