Axil,You omitted radiation. See the Chan comment for turning that into electrical power at:http://open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=659page=43 Hound Dog"Axil AxilSat, 03 Nov 2012 14:44:39 -0700 This variety of experiment should measure, total energy input versus totalenergy
Have you tryed potassium hydroxide, the Blacklight Electrolyte?
Axil.
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote:
I shot a little video of my latest experiment with borax. It is
controlled with an Android phone, IOIO microcontroller, and relay bank. I
am switching
I have not yet tried KOH. Once I get all the kinks worked out of this,
there is no reason I couldn't run several simultaneous electrolytic cells
(recording data from all).
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Have you tryed potassium hydroxide, the Blacklight
If at some point you think you see something, are you interested in making your
data series (for both good and unsuccessful runs) available?
Doing would have the following tradeoffs:
+ you would be helping to advance hobbyist science
- you would no longer have the inside scoop into whatever is
I have no problem with sharing--there has been too little of that so far.
I've been planning at some point to set up a site to detail the work so
others could do it if they would like.
With the app I have written, there would be no problem with having it
upload data to a server after the run is
This variety of experiment should measure, total energy input versus total
energy output.
To properly get this result, should not the hydrogen and oxygen be
recombined to produce heat output? This energy of gas recombination should
be added to the heat produced in the electrolyte solution for a
Started a new run this evening. I finished the coding for a fully
automated experimental series, and I'm running a trial run to make sure
everything is working correctly.
For the trial run, here is my procedure:
Run a 3 minute baseline with no power to collect temp data.
Run a 5 minute run with
Chuck,
I blew my wall wort power supplies. The IOIO board current for USB
charging was set to low causing my phone to lose a connection with the
board. This then caused the AC and DC supplies to short together. Which
is not that big of a deal as I still have some that I haven't burned up
yet.
There are some interesting pieces of equipment on this website that may be
useful in experimenting.
http://www.amazing1.com/hv-hf-power-supplies.htm
In particular, I'm thinking the high frequency AC would be useful in
inducing high surface current flow in the electrodes (i.e., Robert Godes
Thanks for sharing the video Jack. I really like how your controlling
that with and Android and IOIO microcontroller.I'm a beginner Android
developer and the little IOIO PIC device is really cool.That is a great
way of doing a duty cycle on the AC/DC.
Here is a nice discussion on the
Thanks Chuck. It's a fun hobby.
I don't program in Java having done so much in visual basic over the years.
Fortunately, I found a language for Android that is very much like VB
called
Basic4Androidhttps://www.plimus.com/jsp/redirect.jsp?contractId=1715566referrer=1047706.
It has a library
location is of excellent quality and exhibits
an extremely large impedance until the powders are added.
Dave
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From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 1:43 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Dave
in steam
irons).
Deionized water can be obtained from any chemical supply house.
-Mark
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:11 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Hello Mark,
I have been using regular tap
Checked the labels. I think you will find that most distilled water
has also been deionized.
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 1:43 am
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Dave,
Sorry if I missed it, but are you using tap water, or distilled/deionized
water?
-mark
*From:* David
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Checked the labels. I think you will find that most distilled water
has also been deionized.
Note that at grocery stores they sell both distilled water and purified
water. You want the distilled type.
- Jed
Good Luck with the new experiments David. I think you will see some
interesting effects. Regarding the sparks and light flashes, I ran across
a paper that describes an spark effect, but it was seen in the 100-140Volt
range. Horace Heffner describes it in his paper;
.
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From: Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Good Luck with the new experiments David. I think you will see some
interesting effects. Regarding the sparks and light
leaving NAE in large quantities.
Dave
P.S. AC in my posting is standard line frequency in the US which is 60
hertz.
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From: Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Another warning on electrolysis and stuff
http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol9.pdf p64
Lakshmanan
During sodium metal dissolution in aqueous Epsom salts, it was
accidentally discovered that a massive explosion occurs in 0.85 M
Epsom solution on the completion of Na dissolution. ...
However, at
Nice reference Alan,
Yes, I also encourage the basement experimentalist to be-careful with these
experiments. The boranes (ie. B_x H_y) can be toxic, and even
explosive. B2H4 is rocket fuel. Throw sodium in the mix, hydrogen and
oxygen, Its like lighting a match. Chemically. I ran these
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Good Luck with the new experiments David. I think you will see some
interesting effects. Regarding the sparks and light flashes, I ran across
a paper that describes an spark
: Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Jack, that is just about right.
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Dave,
You wrote:
Chuck, have you given
Dave,
Sorry if I missed it, but are you using tap water, or distilled/deionized
water?
-mark
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:57 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
That appears like a pretty good process
: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
It is time for a change in my experimentation. I spent a lot of time and
energy with the sodium carbonate electrolyte and DC current without being
able to report any proven excess power. There is evidence that the Borax
electrolyte might lead to more definitive
It is time for a change in my experimentation. I spent a lot of time and
energy with the sodium carbonate electrolyte and DC current without being able
to report any proven excess power. There is evidence that the Borax
electrolyte might lead to more definitive results so that is what I began
this strange effect?
Dave
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From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 1:43 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
The flashes of light that emit a puff of smoke may be occurring somewhat like
you describe
Le Oct 19, 2012 à 4:34 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com a écrit :
I still believe that this effect is of a chemical nature and not LENR. I
wonder if the concentration of heat within a small volume is causing the
carbonate to decompose and escape. There exists the possibility that some
time I allow the electrolyte to boil until the cell
is almost dry.
Dave
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From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM, David
Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I finally obtained a safe alternative that is working at the moment. I am
getting sparks and all. Thanks for the idea.
Does anyone know
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Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 3:56 am
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Dave, can you take some pictures and post?
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:26 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Eric, I am running 3 amps of DC through my system. The sparks occur when
the electrolyte is getting
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Dave, can you take some pictures and post?
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:26 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Eric, I am running 3 amps of DC through my system. The sparks occur when
the electrolyte is getting low, deposits are collecting
a short period of brain death
due to his attempt to describe the indescribable.)
Dave
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From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:24 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
It's possible that as the electrolyte
to himself as he experiences a short period of brain
death due to his attempt to describe the indescribable.)
Dave
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From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:24 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
It's
reconnect this beast as it now is on standby.
Dave
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From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
One final note that I want to include. I allowed the experiment to go
At 11:30 AM 10/16/2012, David Roberson wrote:
I know
that I will have sparks and small flames as with the open system so now I
would like to know if there is significant danger of explosion. Is
anyone aware of reports of a relatively low volume open to the air glass
cell exploding and causing
As others have pointed out, the only safe answer is to treat all
electrolysis experiments with respect, doing them with adequate
ventilation, whether that means under a fume hood or outdoors or the like.
Of course we may break these rules and get away with many things, up until
the unfortunate
would two jars connented by a wire work?
http://www.water4gasstore.com/product-p/dmjs002.htm
Cheers:Axil
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
At 11:30 AM 10/16/2012, David Roberson wrote:
I know that I will have sparks and small flames as with the open
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Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:30 pm
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At 11:30 AM 10/16/2012, David Roberson wrote:
I knowthat I will have sparks and small flames as with the open system so now
Iwould like
I finally obtained a safe alternative that is working at the moment. I am
getting sparks and all. Thanks for the idea.
Dave
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From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 5:28 pm
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From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
I have an interesting addition to this report. After I cleaned up the
deposits and added water and electrolyte I
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I finally obtained a safe alternative that is working at the moment. I am
getting sparks and all. Thanks for the idea.
Does anyone know if sparks are common? What is the amperage per cm^2?
Eric
that decision tomorrow.
Dave
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From: Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Better results today, but still under-unity. I replaced the anode with 4
stainless steel washers soldered
that should expose the test nickel
to
hydrogen by electrolysis.
Dave
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From: Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Hi Dave,
I will be interested to know your results
At 06:28 AM 10/15/2012, Jack Cole wrote:
Input power.
W = ((Amperage at Time 1 + Amperage at Time 2) / 2) * ((Voltage at
Time 1 + Voltage at Time 2) / 2) * (Minutes in interval / 60)
You are going to go nuts if you don't keep your units straight, and
don't keep in mind the difference
Thanks for the clarification. My intention there was to calculate
watt-hours and to convert that to BTU in the next step. Is this good
enough to get a rough estimate?
I know it would be much better to have a data logger and do the
measurements more frequently. I might do that at some point,
All of this work is suspect. First of all, an intepretive issue.
First of all, the definition of COP.
COP (Coefficient of Performance): A measurement of the instantaneous
efficiency of heating or cooling equipment. It represents the
steady-state rate of energy output of the equipment divided
At 01:04 AM 10/15/2012, David Roberson wrote:
It will be interesting to see how well the stainless steel holds
up. I tried a stainless steel spoon as an electrode and it worked
fairly well but eventually began to rust. Perhaps the quality of
steel makes a difference.
316L stainless steel
Abd,
Thanks for your explanation. That is very helpful.
Here is my raw data if you are interested.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmQQao2qEYIfdE9rTlplRVZ0STI0a1IwaGlXWVNWbGc
I do think chemistry is happening with the Borax.
Jack
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Abd ul-Rahman
I had an exciting afternoon. I replaced my control nickel with the 40 plus
hour heat treated one that resembles an old penny now and began electrolysis.
The reading of voltage was a bit unusual after the first hour of operation so I
replenished the water and added a little additional sodium
no idea what is occurring.
Dave
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From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
I had an exciting afternoon. I replaced my control nickel with the 40 plus
hour heat
-Original Message-
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
I have an interesting addition to this report. After I cleaned up the deposits
and added water and electrolyte I let my
interesting afternoon.
Dave
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From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
I have an interesting addition to this report. After I cleaned up the
deposits
to
hydrogen by electrolysis.
Dave
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From: Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Hi Dave,
I will be interested to know your results. This evening, I started an
experiment
. This is the configuration that should expose the test nickel to
hydrogen by electrolysis.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Hi Dave,
I will be interested
Hi Dave,
I will be interested to know your results. This evening, I started an
experiment using my repeatedly-treated nickels (8) on a small thoriated
tungsten rod. I'm using a penny connected to a chrome plated alligator
clip for my anode (+). My last few runs seemed to show excess heat, but
. This is the
configuration that should expose the test nickel to hydrogen by electrolysis.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Hi Dave,
I will be interested to know your
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Hi Dave,
I will be interested to know your results. This evening, I started an
experiment using my repeatedly-treated nickels (8) on a small thoriated
tungsten rod. I'm using a penny connected to a chrome plated alligator
clip for my anode (+). My
]:New Experiment Started
Hi Dave,
I will be interested to know your results. This evening, I started an
experiment using my repeatedly-treated nickels (8) on a small thoriated
tungsten rod. I'm using a penny connected to a chrome plated alligator
clip for my anode (+). My last few runs
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