Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:34:48
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Essentially correct, but be careful not to confuse Hy (neutral)
with what I have been designating hyh (Hydrinohydride) which
carries a negative charge (or Hy- if you prefer that
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:18:05
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
In this case the other ion would have a positive charge equal
to the total number of electrons associated with the proton. If the
other ion is a proton, I would designate this as HyH, which would be
neutral.
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:19:06
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Why? In a perfect ionic compound, solidity results from the
binding energy of positive and negative ions. IOW the attractive
force between ions of opposite charge pulls the
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:34:48
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Essentially correct, but be careful not to confuse Hy (neutral)
with what I have been designating hyh (Hydrinohydride) which
carries a negative charge (or Hy- if you prefer that notation).
So, we have three
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:34:48
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Never heard of it. Reference?
Oriani, R.A. Anomalous Heavy Atomic Masses Produced by Electrolysis.
in The Seventh International Conference on Cold Fusion. 1998. Vancouver,
Canada: ENECO, Inc., Salt Lake City,
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:37:01
-0800:
Hi,
[snip]
BTW for those (from Oz ;-) who are sure to correct some of my past
posted details (and I appreciate that), and since my original
rough calculation for expected di-hydrino density was too hasty,
here is something
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:49:56
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Yea, I changed my mind based on the way you described how the Hy is
thought to behave.
Note that most of the behavioral aspects are my interpretation,
not necessarily Mills'
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:19:06
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Why? In a perfect ionic compound, solidity results from the
binding energy of positive and negative ions. IOW the attractive
force between ions of opposite charge pulls the ensemble together.
There is no real
In reply to Robin van Spaandonk's message of Sun, 20 Nov 2005
12:57:17 +1100:
Hi,
[snip]
I wrote:
Furthermore, the statement you make must also be true of all
ordinary ionic compounds. So, while reducing the positive ion with
a free electron determines the upper limit of the bond
strength[1], the
Robin,
The thoughts remind me of the functions of a water softener. Resin beads
attract the hardness in water and uses salt to release the attracted solids for
flushing.
There is a remarkable similarity in your description of the actions you
observe and our workin liquid vortex studies.
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:50:40
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Thanks Robin, the situation is getting clearer. However, I still have
some questions. In summary, the model you are describing assumes one
electron is in a fractional quantum state (Hy) and the additional
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:50:40
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Thanks Robin, the situation is getting clearer. However, I still have
some questions. In summary, the model you are describing assumes one
electron is in a fractional quantum
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:49:56
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Yea, I changed my mind based on the way you described how the Hy is
thought to behave.
Note that most of the behavioral aspects are my interpretation,
not necessarily Mills' opinion.
Just to be clear, both
Well Robin, as you eventually concluded, rapid collapse of a local
superconducting site would not supply the necessary energy to make a
neutron because local conservation of energy would still have to occur.
Energy might be concentrated in a few individual electrons, but the
total number of
Ed and Robin,
RVS: Don't you believe in Hy-hydrides, or that they may bind to
positive ions?
ES: I have a hard time, Robin, understanding how a chemical bond can form
with a Hy. The electrons are in energy states that are far removed from
the states in normal atoms and the states are not
Edmund Storms writes,
I have a hard time, Robin, understanding how a chemical bond can
form with a Hy. The electrons are in energy states that are far
removed from the states in normal atoms and the states are not
compatible in a quantum sense.
With the huge exception of another hydrino of
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Edmund Storms writes,
I have a hard time, Robin, understanding how a chemical bond can form
with a Hy. The electrons are in energy states that are far removed from
the states in normal atoms
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:31:01
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Well Robin, as you eventually concluded, rapid collapse of a local
superconducting site would not supply the necessary energy to make a
neutron because local conservation of energy would still have to occur.
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:52:53
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Don't you believe in Hy-hydrides, or that they may bind to
positive ions?
I have a hard time, Robin, understanding how a chemical bond can form
with a Hy. The electrons are in energy states that are far
In reply to George Holz's message of Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:33:33
-0500:
Hi,
[snip]
GH: Is the Hy-hydride bond a stronger version of the weak bond (.6 ev)
that is found in negative hydrogen ions (H-) ?
Yes.
I don't know how Ed would
classify this bond but it seems to me that getting the first
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:52:53
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Don't you believe in Hy-hydrides, or that they may bind to
positive ions?
I have a hard time, Robin, understanding how a chemical bond can form
with a Hy. The electrons are in
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:03:14
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
The loss doesn't happen at all. On the contrary it's the other ion
that suffers the loss, the hydrino suffers a gain. The
hydrinohydride is the negative ion. It can form ionic bonds with
positive ions of other
In reply to George Holz's message of Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:29:11
-0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Of course, the spherical symmetry and neutrality make the concept
and calculation obvious. I was hindered here by still basing my thinking
on my point electron/ZPE based theory of Hydrinos. So the bond
energy would
Robin wrote..
IOW looking at the Lawson criterion, the density is huge, and
theconfinement time is unlimited, but the temperature is
low.Another
thing to consider is that the hyh may actually sit*inside* the electron
shells of the other positive ion,effectively displacing an existing
Ed Storms
Apparently, a very unusual structure is required that is not
present in ordinary matter. The various theories have been so
unsuccessful in guiding research because they are based on the
properties of normal material.
Everyone can probably agree on that part, and in fact,
Jones Beene wrote:
Ed Storms
Apparently, a very unusual structure is required that is not present
in ordinary matter. The various theories have been so unsuccessful in
guiding research because they are based on the properties of normal
material.
Everyone can probably agree on that
Ed
The electron can not leave the nucleus for even a brief time,
thus no covalent attraction is possible.
...methinks you are just trying to get rid of these critters (but
by gravity instead of the normal levity ;-)
Covalent bonding is indeed seemingly impossible with any other
element
ERRATA: should be helium atom not nulceus... ;-) not to
mention, what IS a nulceus anyway?
And does anyone know why spell checkers will often miss simple
errors?
Perhaps that is also an interlocking wave function but with the
computer owner?
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:12:18
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
to be impossible in these atoms. I also suggest that any compound
formation would require the Hy atom to be bounded in a cage formation
where it would be trapped in a structure that is more physical than
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