right next to my
desk so I only need to cool one room. Still, I
expect to see huge bills as a result.
K.
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:29 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: What if all cars ran on electricity
Jed Rothwell wrote:
The cost of collecting data from the meters is only a small percent of
total expenses because meter readers only come around two to four
times a year, as Nagel noted. Your bill is based on your previous
history consumption. I do not see why anyone objects to this.
I never
need to cool one room. Still, I
expect to see huge bills as a result.
K.
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:29 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: What if all cars ran on electricity . . .
Jed Rothwell wrote
From: Keith Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was hoping this discussion would prod some other members
to post their costs, I'm curious what others are
paying for electricity.
10.49 cents/kWhr here in the Atlanta surburbs via a cooperative.
Terry
Keith Nagel wrote:
I was hoping this discussion
would prod some other members
to post their costs, I'm curious what others are
paying for electricity. The last time I looked, the
_actual_ cost ( currently 10.1 cents )
This is the kind of thing the EIA provides, based on authoritative
industry
Keith Nagel wrote:
I was hoping this discussion would prod some other members
to post their costs, I'm curious what others are
paying for electricity.
OK, I looked at a recent bill. (This is NSTAR, in the Boston area.)
First thing I notice: No mention of any sliding scale for various
usage
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
I _guess_ renewable
energy is an item that pays for some contruction/investment in
windmills or some such and that they've gotten permission to sock
everybody with an extra fee on account of it.
Several power companies are starting to offer green energy,
with a
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We have no hydro or wind
resources, and not much biomass.
I beg your pardon. I ran the Tallulah George generating plant during the union
worker's strike (we light up your life) in 1981. That plant has six, count
'em, six 12 MW generators that have
From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I ran the Tallulah George generating plant
That should read 'Gorge' (fighting images of Tallulah Bankhead and Boy George).
into this after the
deregulation, except for the predicted large increases in rates.
Gee, that was a surprise...
K.
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:38 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: What if all cars ran on electricity
Stephen writes:
//
0.03959 -- distribution charge
0.02346 -- transition charge (thievery to pay for a merger?)
0.00565 -- transmission charge
0.00050 -- renewable energy (WTF??)
0.00250 -- energy conservation (WTFF??)
I can't imagine what it means that they're charging 0.00250 c/kWh
Terry Blanton wrote:
We have no hydro or wind
resources, and not much biomass.
I beg your pardon. I ran the Tallulah George generating plant
during the union worker's strike . . .
I should have said additional or untapped hydro. We have few renewable
resources that we have not already tapped.
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I should have said additional or untapped hydro.
It's a funny story because everyone really believed 72 MW would be all the
state needed until the year 2000. Today's generators output 818 MW typically.
Terry Blanton wrote:
It's a funny story because
everyone really believed 72 MW would be all the state needed until the
year 2000. Today's generators output 818 MW
typically.
And Georgia has 34,601 MW of capacity! They were off by a factor of 480.
See:
Keith Nagel wrote:
I was hoping this discussion would prod some other membersto post
their costs, I'm curious what others arepaying for electricity. The last
time I looked, the_actual_ cost ( currently 10.1 cents )
My Jan. 05 bill is 9.8959 cents per KWH
At 2:06 PM 4/13/5, Keith Nagel wrote:
I was hoping this discussion would prod some other members
to post their costs, I'm curious what others are
paying for electricity. The last time I looked, the
_actual_ cost ( currently 10.1 cents ) was competitive
compared to other providers. I could shop
Keith wrote:
At least where I live, we are charged the same
premium rate( 16 cents/KWH ) regardless of the time of
day. There is no off-peak hour for my residential
service.
This calls for expensive and sophisticated meters.
Not necessarily, in the near furure. I think this
metering
like medieval feudalism, well maybe it is...
K.
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:06 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: What if all cars ran on electricity . . .
Keith wrote:
At least where I live, we are charged the same
Jones Beene wrote:
This calls for expensive
and sophisticated meters.
Not necessarily, in the near furure. I think this
metering capability could and will be done **very
cheaply** (less than $25 capital cost) and without
replacing the existing meter.
One would need only to provide a tiny
Keith Nagel wrote:
So why do we still have the
meter service? If you
ask the electric company, they predictably complain
about the evil meter readers union. Well, I'm here to tell you,
most unions in this town are so horrifically corrupt
and toothless, that they are kept around _only_ to
provide
month. I often contemplate
what savings I might get from a gas powered genset...
At current pricing it may well be practical.
K.
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:34 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: What if all cars ran
Keith Nagel wrote:
Hi Jed,
What's so hard to understand? If I can take a commodity
worth 4 cents and sell it to you for 16 cents, I make
a huge profit. If I install special meters that allow
you to buy the same commodity for 4 cents, I don't
make a huge profit.
On the contrary, you might make a
Keith Nagel wrote:
Your analogy of the oranges is
faulty. It presumes I can walk down the street to another store and buy
them cheaper. The real situation is that, because Con Ed control the
distribution system, I can't really deal with anyone but
them.
In that case you can stop eating oranges.
I wrote:
Convenient electric cars
needed
I am assuming reasonably convenient electric cars could be developed. I
think they could be. In fact I think they could have been developed back
in 1990, mainly by using techniques such as swapping battery packs on
highways . . .
I meant to add that I
Hi Jed.
Thanks. This kind of analysis is very difficult.
You write:
If most automobiles were recharged at night,
this would not require many new electric power plants.
This has always bothered me about residential electricity sales.
At least where I live, we are charged the same premium rate
(
Keith Nagel wrote:
Thanks. This kind of analysis is very difficult.
Yeah, and I hope I got it right! I would appreciate it if people could
proofread and check original sources. I will upload the NREL graphs.
- Jed
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