The only place we can really test whether a lifter works in vacuum is in
orbit. The metallic environment of most vacuum chambers may create an
electrostatic force interaction that either negates the effect or
creates the illusion of an effect in vacuum when there is no effect at
all. We have
From: Wesley Bruce
...
Steven You've missed a vital point of Hal 's work he argues that
the energy emited is ZPE and that an orbiting electron is both a
sorce and sink for ZPE. Its got more complex since then. See:
http://www.calphysics.org/research.html
and
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unfortunately, as best as I can tell, the best evidence seems to suggest that
Lifter thrust is a manifestation of its interaction with the surrounding
atmosphere and not from the quantum ZPE fabric itself.
No, there are several experiments which show that the effect
I noticed you placed quotation marks around the term accelerating.
It may well be that the electron is NOT accelerating in the sense of
mechanics which PRESUMES all acceleration is indicative of a smoking gun
i.e. an external force.
Harry
Putoff's theory, on the surface, possesses an
From: Harry Veeder
I noticed you placed quotation marks around the term accelerating.
It may well be that the electron is NOT accelerating in the sense of
mechanics which PRESUMES all acceleration is indicative of a
smoking gun i.e. an external force.
Harry
Hi Harry,
Indeed, I
On Monday 25 July 2005 16:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Grimer
I've been re-reading one of Puthoff's old papers
from 1986, which was recenly referred to on Vortex,
viz,
...
=
ABSTRACT
We show here that, within the
Steven You've missed a vital point of Hal 's work he argues that the
energy emited is ZPE and that an orbiting electron is both a sorce and
sink for ZPE. Its got more complex since then. See:
http://www.calphysics.org/research.html
and
http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html
On Monday 25 July
From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The Secret of Sonoluminescense
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It does make me wonder if there might be at least some similarities
between Putoff and Mill's theory, which I gather on the surface are about as
opposite to each other as night
From: Mike Carrell
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The non-collapse of the hydrogen electron orbit is a puzzle in conventional
QM. Puthoff's postulation of an energy exchange with the ZPE is just that,
a postulate, without any detailed mechanism visible [unless there is
something in the paper]. Mills' orbitsphere model
Steven,
Show some respect for your elders, at least the ones that deserve it.
Chris[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: "Mike Carrell"... The non-collapse of the hydrogen electron orbit is a puzzle in conventional QM. Puthoff's postulation of an energy exchange with the "ZPE" is just that, a
From: Grimer
I've been re-reading one of Puthoff's old papers
from 1986, which was recenly referred to on Vortex,
viz,
Putoff's theory, on the surface, possesses an elegant symmetry to
it, not that I'm really in a position to challenge it. There
remains, however, a nagging question
Mike Carroll wrote..
I've spent hours in the presence of both Dr. Hal Puthoff and Dr.
RandellMills, but that doesn't prove anything in particular. IMO trying to
forceZPE, Casmir, BLP and LENR into the same box by saying any of these
is"really" another is quite futile in the present state of
I've been re-reading one of Puthoff's old papers
from 1986, which was recenly referred to on Vortex,
viz,
=
Ground state of hydrogen as a zero-point-fluctuation-
determined state
http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRD/v35/i10/p3266_1
From: Grimer
I've been re-reading one of Puthoff's old papers
from 1986, which was recenly referred to on Vortex,
viz,
The reason for the non-radiating orbiting electron has been a primary topic of
disagreement between Randell Mills and Harold Puthoff theories (among many).
Gee, did
From: Grimer
I've been re-reading one of Puthoff's old papers
from 1986, which was recenly referred to on Vortex,
viz,
...
=
ABSTRACT
We show here that, within the stochastic electrodynamic
formulation and at the level of Bohr
From: orionworks
If energy is being emitted only to be re-supplied by ZPE fluctuation that
STILL doesn't explain WHAT HAPPENED to the original energy emitted from the
electron.
Can someone explain where it all went?
Well, IMO, to quote our own dear Jonesie, it never made it into our
From: Terry Blanton
From: orionworks
If energy is being emitted only to be re-supplied by
ZPE fluctuation that STILL doesn't explain WHAT HAPPENED
to the original energy emitted from the electron.
Can someone explain where it all went?
Well, IMO, to quote our own dear Jonesie,
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It does make me wonder if there might be at least some similarities between
Putoff and Mill's theory, which I gather on the surface are about as opposite
to each other as night is to day.
Yeah, well, Putoff, aka Puthoff, is not an MD. And, he might lack some of
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It does make me wonder if there might be at least some similarities between
Putoff and Mill's theory, which I gather on the surface are about as opposite
to each other as night is to day.
Well, Orion's Bell (t), at least have the respect to spell Hal's name
From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/07/25 Mon PM 10:54:34 EDT
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: The Secret of Sonoluminescense
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It does make me wonder if there might be at least some similarities between
Putoff and Mill's theory, which I gather
Grimer wrote..
Interestingly enough, seeing BR as a hydrodynamic phenomena neatly
explains something which I've never understood before, i.e. why BR
produces a searchlight type beam in the synchrotron.The transition
from streamline flow in a pipe (parabolic velocity distribution) to
At 04:04 pm 22/07/2005 -0500, you wrote:BlankRichard
wrote.. Frank, a simple proof of principle of your thoughts
on catalysis can be observed with the mixing of a two part epoxy.
Try mixing a cubic inch square mold full versus a thin film layer
on a surface. The reaction and hardening
Grimer wrote..
Wrong! It has Neutral Mass. Mass is energy.And energy is
motion^2So energy can be positive or negative as exemplifiedby
strain energy (epsilon^2) which can be tensile strain energy or compressive
strain energy.So mass can be positive or negative.Mass is not a
measure of
At 06:49 am 22/07/2005 -0500, Richard wrote:
Grimer wrote..
A mention is also made of catalysis. It
seems to me that the phenomena of cold
fusion could well be a case of macro-
catalysis.
Have been interested in Putterman's work for some
10 years in regards to cavitation studies.
Richard wrote..
Frank, a simple proof of principle of your thoughts on
catalysis can be observed with the mixing of a two part epoxy. Try
mixing a cubic inch square mold full versus a thin film layer on a
surface. The reaction and hardening time differs whereas the
cubic inch mold
At 04:04 pm 22/07/2005 -0500, you wrote:
BlankRichard wrote..
Frank, a simple proof of principle of your thoughts
on catalysis can be observed with the mixing of a
two part epoxy. Try mixing a cubic inch square mold
full versus a thin film layer on a surface.
The reaction and hardening
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