Re: Easter

2005-03-29 Thread leaking pen
jn? not familiar with that book... On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:35:30 -0600, RC Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Blanton wrote.. What compels you to do this ? Best explained by reading verses 3 and 4. 1Jn 4: 1-4. As I stated, the Vortex group remains a viable site that enriches

Re: Wolves and Wolverines

2005-03-29 Thread leaking pen
ermm, he was talking about teh divinity of christ, not christianity itself. i personal agree with most of the gospels. im not sure if christ was the son of gawd or not. i dont care. i will follow his teachings anyways. i think the point was that the diety is a sort of, my god has a bigger

Re: OT: The will of God

2005-03-29 Thread leaking pen
BWAHAHAHAHHAHHAAA wow. yeah, all the islamic countries are third world. thats why, before we invaded, iraq had a higher standard of living and qol than we, and complete equality for men and women, including equal pay laws that we still refuse to pass here. your ignorance is showing. On Thu,

Re: ...water into wine...

2005-03-29 Thread Grimer
At 08:47 am 28-03-05 -0900, Horace wrote: Bond energy in a traditional sense is an energy well, a *lack* of potential energy, not a source of potential energy, unless the bond constituents are free of the bond or able to bond to other substances and thereby create a deeper energy well.

(OT) will of god

2005-03-29 Thread thomas malloy
Steven Johnson wrote; I also realize I'm in danger of greatly offending certain Vortexians by my personal attempt to associate fundamentally held religious beliefs to the despicable actions of the Nazis. I have pointed out frequently that the Nazis were quite religious, their religion was

RE: ...water into wine...

2005-03-29 Thread Frederick Sparber
Hi Keith, you wrote Hi Horace,you write: However, Graneau and Graneau do indeed suggest there exists some mechanism whereby energy can be stored in molecular bonds, and that the source of the energy so stored is solar. Calling Fred Sparber, come in Fred Sparber, here's the first

Re: (OT) will of god

2005-03-29 Thread leaking pen
errm, nazis were atheists. lemarkian evolutionists philisophically, if memory serves. yes, im in college. i didnt say they were all great. and actually, ive been to iraq, about 6 years ago, as part of a high school exchange program. the farm slums are a higher quality than here. as for

Re: ...water into wine...

2005-03-29 Thread Horace Heffner
At 12:40 AM 3/29/5, Grimer wrote: At 08:47 am 28-03-05 -0900, Horace wrote: Bond energy in a traditional sense is an energy well, a *lack* of potential energy, not a source of potential energy, unless the bond constituents are free of the bond or able to bond to other substances and thereby

Re: Mizuno's Explosion . . .

2005-03-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1444046,00.html I'm surprised noone has commented on this. It's not at all bad, as British publications go (only slightly better than their cuisine). I uploaded this link, but I did not mention the part about the Mizuno

RE: ...water into wine...

2005-03-29 Thread Horace Heffner
At 5:21 AM 3/29/5, Frederick Sparber wrote: Older and Wiser on my 72nd Birthday. Happy Birthday to Horace Heffner, Vince Cockeram, and Martin Fleischmann, too. Happy Birthday to you too Fred! Regards, Horace Heffner

Re: ...water into wine...

2005-03-29 Thread FHLew
Greeting to all members At 08:47 am 28-03-05 -0900, Horace wrote: However, Graneau and Graneau do indeed suggest there exists some mechanism whereby energy can be stored in molecular bonds, and that the source of the energy so stored is solar. Man is dependant on plants for

New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread R. Wormus
Press Release: New battery offers unsurpassed recharge performance and high energy density TOKYO -- Toshiba Corporation today announced a breakthrough in lithium-ion batteries that makes long recharge times a thing of the past. The company's new battery can recharge 80% of a battery's energy

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Now THAT'S an important breakthrough. Something like this quick recharge battery could revolutionize transportation, and greatly reduce the need for oil. - Jed

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Horace Heffner
At 10:34 AM 3/29/5, R. Wormus wrote: Press Release: New battery offers unsurpassed recharge performance and high energy density TOKYO -- Toshiba Corporation today announced a breakthrough in lithium-ion batteries that makes long recharge times a thing of the past. The company's new battery can

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread leaking pen
wow. its a battery capacitor! definately increase the effectiveness of solar vehicles. On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:14:25 -0900, Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:34 AM 3/29/5, R. Wormus wrote: Press Release: New battery offers unsurpassed recharge performance and high energy

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: This is a significant development provided the price is right. It means vehicles can be charged in a manner similar to filling up on gas, and that home charging is also feasible. Home charging of electric vehicles is already feasible. I cannot imagine an electric car design

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: The biggest problem with charging stations would be lack of customers. I think most people would find it more convenient to recharge at home overnight, rather than interrupt their commute. In other words, charging stations would only be economically viable on highways where people

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread orionworks
Before we divide the bear into all of its succulent parts it might be wise to verify the source of the news. So far I can't verify it. On top of that, according to Toshiba they were planning on getting out of the rechargeable lithium ion battery business See:

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Terry Blanton
http://news.google.com/news?hl=enned=usq=toshiba+battery[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before we divide the bear into all of its succulent parts it might be wise to verify the source of the news. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!

Re: Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread orionworks
From: Terry Blanton http://news.google.com/news?hl=enned=usq=toshiba+battery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Before we divide the bear into all of its succulent parts it might be wise to verify the source of the news. Thanks, Terry! I love it when my suspicions can be proven wrong! Regards,

RE: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Don Wiegel
http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communiquenewsid=7681 RENO, NV--(MARKET WIRE)--Feb 10, 2005 -- Altair Nanotechnologies, Inc. (NasdaqSC:ALTI - News) announced today that it has achieved a breakthrough in Lithium Ion battery electrode materials, which will enable a new generation of

Re: Battery link at Toshiba

2005-03-29 Thread leaking pen
warning, virus. dont click. On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:32:40 -0700, Ron Wormus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write Voltaire

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Terry Blanton
They are now available for your human transporter: http://segway.com/segway/lithium_ion.htmlMike Carrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume lithium ion batteries can be designed for automotiveservice.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has

New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Hank Scudder
Vortex-ians I was a regular member of this group three years ago, when I lived in LA and I commuted regularly with an electric car. I was in grad school at CSUN at the time, and lived eight miles from the school. In the morning I would unplug the car from my driveway, drive to school, park

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: That's pretty hot, but with a good radiator and exhaust fan it would not vaporize the battery or cause a fire. With a lead-acid battery, which is 70% efficient, it would produce 200 or 300 kW, which *would* cause a fire. I should have said: If a lead acid battery could recharge this

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread leaking pen
and you are makeing a big assumption. that everyone would do a full charge everytime. do people fill the tank every time? so for ten cents on your order, or maybe even free, mcdonalds will charge your car as you go through the drive through. 2 minutes of charging, last you a couple hours

Re: ...water into wine...

2005-03-29 Thread Jones Beene
Frederick Sparber writes, Hi Horace, you write: Graneau does indeed suggest there exists some mechanism whereby energy can be stored in molecular bonds, and that the source of the energy so stored is solar. I think the proper term for the molecular (solar stored) energy effect is called

Re: ...water into wine...

2005-03-29 Thread Grimer
At 06:45 am 29-03-05 -0900, Horace wrote: At 12:40 AM 3/29/5, Grimer wrote: -- You of all people, Horace, should be well aware of that since I took the trouble to mail the relevant research publications to your northern eerie. The

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Jones Beene
Jed Rothwell If gasoline goes up to $4 or $5 per gallon, you will see this kind of thing implemented with lightning speed -- much faster than anyone has predicted or imagined lately. even as things stand now, one wonder how long it will take... In trying to equate battery recharge costs

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread orionworks
A lot of fascinating Vortexian discussion has been generated on this topic, as it well should. Meanwhile, I performed an unscientific Reality Check and noticed that CNN.COM has yet to report on this apparent technological breakthrough, particularly in the Technology section. We are instead

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Mike Carrell
Jed made some good comments: Mike Carrell wrote: delivered to the battery in 1/12 hour, at a rate of (75)(12) = 900 kW, which will vaporize the battery. Obviously if these batteries can charge 10 times faster than normal batteries, as advertised, they must be remarkably efficient so they do

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread revtec
It's not vaporized batteries we need to worry about, it is the power grid and generating stations. The combined output of all of our automotive engines may be more than the combined output of all our generating facilities. We can't replace the nations automotive power by tapping our electric

RE: ...water into wine...

2005-03-29 Thread Keith Nagel
Hey Fred, Sounds an easy hypothesis to test. Graneau and company could just dope the water with a little carbonic acid, and see if the excess energy increases or returns from spent water. We're all talking about this, but have any of you found and read the actual paper? Just what the hell _is_ a

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread leaking pen
not yet. we'll be moving over to a different economy, if this works. as for general public, links have been submitted to totalfark (a pay news site with about 2500 members that im part of) and a lot of discussion has been generated. news tends to go there from slashdot, and from there to the

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff writes: It's not vaporized batteries we need to worry about, it is the power grid and generating stations. The combined output of all of our automotive engines may be more than the combined output of all our generating facilities. It is much more than all of our generating facilities,

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell writes: MC: To which I add, yes, of course, if they had to. When gasoline hits $5 per gallon they will have to. Many people cannot afford that. Battery cars were used locally in the 30s. They had a huge problem: they were much slower than gasoline cars. I think their max

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Terry Blanton
--- Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So... which announcement is the April Fool's joke? http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=1221 Let me repeat once again (let's cut out those enquiring emails right now) it is NOT an early April Fool’s (I hate those) and besides Toshiba said it

New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread John Coviello
Jed is right on the money with his analysis of this Toshiba batteryannouncement. I noticed there was no mention of possible mileage ranges with these new batteries. But, if they really can recharge in one minute, then the whole range issue is a lot less significant. Even a 200 mile range

Re: New battery technology

2005-03-29 Thread Michael Foster
Wouldn't such a quickly chargeable battery be able to store much more energy from regenerative braking than is currently possible? M. ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

Re: ...water into wine...

2005-03-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Horace- Could the water over unity phenomina be the the power of Hurricanes? ges-

RE: harbinger?

2005-03-29 Thread John Steck
FYI: http://snopes.com/politics/business/mondex.asp -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:13 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: harbinger? http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/181299 You may need this kind of

RE: ...water into wine...

2005-03-29 Thread John Steck
If the poor chap didn't already go on to meet his maker (a gratuitous reference for the zealots) I would expect a spontaneous discussion of whirl power to emerge right about now. 8^) -j -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005

Windmill science off topic

2005-03-29 Thread RC Macaulay
Reading Grimer's post on the wind and the Queen's flag, I couldn't pass up not revealing exciting news in west Texas windmill technology as reported in the best lies told for year 1990. Seems that the wind farm generator did not meet output specs so the factory man was called. After trying