Re: [Vo]:Do it backwards: added 1997-style, science-based Vortex

2009-06-18 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 17, 2009, at 3:12 PM, John Berry wrote: Well you could have just said true. That would be nonsense since I strongly disagree with you on almost every point you make. It appears debating would be senseless though, and inconsiderate of others. I would like to point out as a

Re: [Vo]:Do it backwards: added 1997-style, science-based Vortex

2009-06-18 Thread William Beaty
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Horace Heffner wrote: I don't see the problem. All such subjects already have breathing room. If you want to post on a subject then post on the subject. If anyone has interest in contributing they will post on it. There's a 100% replicable CF experiment. People on

Re: [Vo]:Do it backwards: added 1997-style, science-based Vortex

2009-06-18 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: On Jun 17, 2009, at 3:12 PM, John Berry wrote: Well you could have just said true. That would be nonsense since I strongly disagree with you on almost every point you make. I think you misunderstand me. After

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
John Berry wrote: Piece of cake. The only thing preventing it is politics and lack of knowledge. I guess we have different opinions on how plausible a change of politics is, or for that matter getting the right knowledge to the right places. I mean that technically making small scale

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread John Berry
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: John Berry wrote: I do not think a skilled amateur or professional can contribute anything to cold fusion without access to a fully equipped profession grade laboratory and hundreds of thousands of dollars of

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread Chris Zell
So,  individually, we stand almost no chance of contributing anything to cold fusion, nor has any particularly practical way been conceived to power a vehicle with it.(??!)   Many of us have to worry about having any savings, job or retirement at all, much less hundreds of thousands for a

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread Edmund Storms
To avoid making yourself ill with worry, let me add a bit of optimism. Cold fusion has left the garage level of research and entered the level of a well funded laboratory. This is progress. The theory has left the amateur level of ideas and entered the level of the trained professional.

RE: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread Jones Beene
From: John Berry Jones, have you read my variable capacitor post, subject: On Topic in any detail? If so can I have your opinion on it? I think it was you that actually identified the patent co-invented by JLN? Cannot comment on that now due to a contractual agreement, John - but would

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread fznidarsic
The theory has left the amateur level of ideas and entered the level of the trained professional. This is also progress Ed So,  individually, we stand almost no chance of contributing anything to cold fusion, nor has any particularly practical way been conceived to power a vehicle with

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread Edmund Storms
Well Frank, such ideas have value only when they show why and how most observed behaviors occur and how to make the behavior occur more consistently and at higher levels. All theories I know about met only a small fraction of this requirement. If you can have better success in this

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-18 Thread Terry Blanton
Here is the Rex Research article on Hiddink: http://www.rexresearch.com/hiddink/hiddink.htm Terry On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Kyle Mcallisterkyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: V, and John Berry in particular, Figured I should make a more aptly titled thread for this, as Enough Already

Re: [Vo]:Do it backwards: added 1997-style, science-based Vortex

2009-06-18 Thread DonW
I saw it and followed the link ... It was in your post of June 8th http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/368TGP_oriani.pdf I'm one of many lurkers that pay close attention to most of the topics presented here. I value the insight of most of the members of this list on both on-topic and

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread fznidarsic
However, I would like to know, based on your model, exactly which kinds of atoms and how I need to arrange them in a solid or living cell to cause a nuclear reaction to be initiated ? Answer:? Construct an inverse Bose condensate of protons and vibrate that condensate at a frequency

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread fznidarsic
Answer:? Construct an inverse Bose condensate of protons and vibrate that condensate at a frequency determined by the dimensional constant of 1.094 megahertz-meters.     How do we do this?    Must and inverse Bose condensate have mobile protons?    Will phonon vibrations within the

Re: [Vo]:Do it backwards: added 1997-style, science-based Vortex

2009-06-18 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:29 AM, William Beaty wrote: On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Horace Heffner wrote: I don't see the problem. All such subjects already have breathing room. If you want to post on a subject then post on the subject. If anyone has interest in contributing they will post on it.

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread Edmund Storms
Thanks for the preprint Frank. Unfortunately some of the equations are not visible, no doubt because I use a Mac. On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:08 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: However, I would like to know, based on your model, exactly which kinds of atoms and how I need to arrange them in a solid

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread fznidarsic
You are proposing more than downshifting. You are proposing the 24 MeV is converted instantly to a large collection of photons by some process. What is this process? ?Why does the photon energy reside in the RF band and not in the optical or X-ray regions? ?In addition, energetic particles

Re: [Vo]:Do it backwards: added 1997-style, science-based Vortex

2009-06-18 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Horace Heffnerhheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: Note - CR-39 is $400 a sheet. Maybe we could utilize a polycarbonate lens from some used eyeglasses? Terry

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread fznidarsic
Several people have suggested that a Bose Condensate is involved. I have trouble with this concept because these structures are expected to have very low bonding energy, hence have been observed only near absolute zero. In addition, such a structure based on hydrogen is still pure speculation.

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jun 18, 2009, at 2:15 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Several people have suggested that a Bose Condensate is involved. I have trouble with this concept because these structures are expected to have very low bonding energy, hence have been observed only near absolute zero. In addition,

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread Edmund Storms
Let me see if I can explain what you are saying in your paper. 1. You accept that Planck's constant describes the energy of photons. 2. You propose that your constant describes the geometry (size) of the emitting structure. 3. You assume the size of the photon is given by rp, as defined in

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread John Berry
I actually wondered if that could be the reason you already had not done so, of course now I have to wonder if it is specific to the idea or rather general, though I suppose I would need to leave that up to my imagination to work out.. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:18 AM, Jones Beene

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread John Berry
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Well Frank, such ideas have value only when they show why and how most observed behaviors occur and how to make the behavior occur more consistently and at higher levels. All theories I know about met only a small

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-18 Thread John Berry
Harvey, I can never quite seem to understand anything you say. Please clarify The greatest mystery that perplexed me for years was how the discharge itself could emit EM as a sort of linear antennae. Since I have the opposite problem IF we are talking about the same thing, I could see a reason

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread Harry Veeder
There are plenty of retired scientists/engineers enjoying comfortable pensions right now. If enough of them contributed a fraction of their income to a fund for cold fusion research something significant could be accomplished besides improving their golf game. ;-) harry - Original Message

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-18 Thread John Berry
More links... JLN Patent http://www.google.com/patents?q=10%2F472%2C714btnG=Search+Patents Stiffler's research http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR1KOy0hbuMNR=1 Imris Pavel's Optical Electrostatic Generator http://www.rexresearch.com/imris/imris.htm On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM, John

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: There are plenty of retired scientists/engineers enjoying comfortable pensions right now. If enough of them contributed a fraction of their income to a fund for cold fusion research . . . We don't need their money. We need their support. We need them to read papers, learn

[Vo]:Some notes regarding use of CR-39, saving money by curing old CR-39 etc.

2009-06-18 Thread Horace Heffner
The following are some notes I made regarding use of CR-39, and other SPAWAR related things. It may be possible to gain some discriminatory information of particle type by depositing very thin layers of materials on a CR-39 detector, and then removing them prior to NaOH etching. This

Re: [Vo]:Some notes regarding use of CR-39, saving money by curing old CR-39 etc.

2009-06-18 Thread William Beaty
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Horace Heffner wrote: The price of CR-39 is quite bothersome for amateurs like me though. It would be good to find a cheaper alternative! I have a couple pounds of it, 1.5mm thickness, unknown age. I only just started playing. I found that you can't mask it off with