Re: vortex mystery

2005-04-05 Thread Horace Heffner
At 4:52 PM 4/6/5, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: >Perhaps needless to say, we missed out on that free lunch again! >:) Nuts! I had no other plans. Regards, Horace Heffner

Re: vortex mystery

2005-04-05 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:46:12 -0800: Hi, [snip] >>Thanks. I have now derived the formula for myself, so I understand >>where it comes from, and what the various constants mean. I have >>also applied the same derivation principle to an active vortex >>that it cons

Re: OT: "If I were Pope."

2005-04-05 Thread Harvey Norris
--- Kyle Mcallister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vortexians, > 5. Are you guys actually reading this? I don't get > many replies GOD comes from the inside out; not the outside in. Exoteric politics resides with the misidentification of the spirit with the body. We are not the body. If yo

Re: OT: "If I were Pope."

2005-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kyle Mcallister writes: > 1. Margaret Sanger was responsible for some good, yes. > She was also crazy. Not the kind of person I would > want to spend much time with. That's true. She was strange and difficult, but geniuses who are driven to do things against the will of society are often like th

Re: OT: "If I were Pope."

2005-04-05 Thread Edmund Storms
Kyle Mcallister wrote: Vortexians, OK, this is getting a little "crazy-go-nuts." 1. Margaret Sanger was responsible for some good, yes. She was also crazy. Not the kind of person I would want to spend much time with. Very pro-eugenics. If you support that, then congratulations, go build yourself a

Re:" If I were Pope"

2005-04-05 Thread RC Macaulay
Frank, Thanks for the post article by Mark Steyn   The word " consensus" describes the world view   Mark's comment ... "Thoughtful atheist ought to recognize" ...    Thoughtful ??? As the new century unfolds , the believer will be under an ever increasing attack.   My old Chem prof was a belie

Re: OT: "If I were Pope."

2005-04-05 Thread Kyle Mcallister
Vortexians, OK, this is getting a little "crazy-go-nuts." 1. Margaret Sanger was responsible for some good, yes. She was also crazy. Not the kind of person I would want to spend much time with. Very pro-eugenics. If you support that, then congratulations, go build yourself a private Gattaca. Leav

Re: vortex mystery

2005-04-05 Thread Horace Heffner
At 4:28 PM 4/5/5, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: >In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:33:55 >-0900: >Hi Horace, > >Thanks. I have now derived the formula for myself, so I understand >where it comes from, and what the various constants mean. I have >also applied the same derivat

Re: Coaxial Capacitor Thrustor

2005-04-05 Thread Horace Heffner
Slight typo, due to cutting and pasting instead of retyping, corrected near bottom as noted. There is always a displacement current, even between vacuum plates. The displacement current is eactly equal to the current to the capacitor, regardless of the presence of a (non-vacuum) dielectric or not

Re: OT: "If I were Pope."

2005-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: How many more people must suck the resources out of the earth before the Church changes its policy? I suggest that even science can not mediate the damage if population grows at a sufficiently rapid rate. Some of the ecological damage from overpopulation is permanent. However

Re: OT: "If I were Pope."

2005-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Grimer wrote: But the most effective weapon against the disease has not been the Aids lobby's 20-year promotion of condom culture in Africa, but Uganda's campaign to change behaviour and to emphasise abstinence and fidelity - i.e., the Pope's position. I know nothing about religion, but I know pl

Re: Coaxial Capacitor Thrustor

2005-04-05 Thread Horace Heffner
At 7:22 PM 4/5/5, John Berry wrote: >Great analysis. >It should work IMO even if the forces are as Ampere states unless there >is no displacement current, [snip] There is always a displacement current, even between vacuum plates. The displacement current is eactly equal to the current to the capa

Re: vortex-digest Digest V2005 #161

2005-04-05 Thread leaking pen
thank you john. its a tough concept for so many, but there are no absolute morals. all morals are subjective to your society. simply put, remember, in a society of cannibals, it is immoral to NOT eat human flesh. On Apr 5, 2005 1:14 PM, John Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been a

Re: Wind-up flashlight

2005-04-05 Thread orionworks
> From: Jed Rothwell > See: > > http://store.yahoo.com/dotcoms/ilwiflet.html > > The price has fallen from $40 to $20. These are not > very bright. A slightly larger version would be ideal > for Third World house. > > I believe this is the ultimate development of the > household flashlight. It

Re: Re: OFF TOPIC Demography and cigarettes

2005-04-05 Thread orionworks
> From: Horace Heffner ... > Yep, by golly. For a few years in the 70's I travelled > cost to cost installing systems software in big computer > systems. Some systems consumed more than the area of a > football field in raised floor. In those olden > days I recall having to work out the total

Re: vortex-digest Digest V2005 #161

2005-04-05 Thread John Robertson
I have been a lurker for years now and have enjoyed the discussions very much. I am an innumerate linguist, unprepared to comment on much of the technical details of these discussions. I would, however, like to emerge from my years of lurking to comment (of topic) on Jed's statement: snip "Thr

Re: Why the U.S. Needs More Nuclear Power

2005-04-05 Thread Horace Heffner
At 2:02 PM 4/5/5, Jed Rothwell wrote: >There is not enough wind for electricity because of the problems you >enumerated about the grid, and distances. Cost of long range power transmission is an important issue, and one which vortex should examine more carefully. At this time I have only time fo

Re: OT: "If I were Pope."

2005-04-05 Thread Edmund Storms
Like in science, the conclusion one reaches depends on the assumptions made at the beginning. The beliefs of each religion and the rules supposed to be God-given suffer from this same limitation. In this article the author makes the argument that the rules of the Catholic Church, i.e. no aborti

Re: OFF TOPIC Demography and cigarettes

2005-04-05 Thread Horace Heffner
At 2:44 PM 4/5/5, Jed Rothwell wrote: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Horace Heffner wrote: > >>Also interesting. Before posting I checked the electronic version of the >>American Heritage Dictionary, copyright 1992, for "innumerate" and it did >>not have it. > >I h

Wind-up flashlight

2005-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://store.yahoo.com/dotcoms/ilwiflet.html The price has fallen from $40 to $20. These are not very bright. A slightly larger version would be ideal for Third World house. I believe this is the ultimate development of the household flashlight. It will never be fundamentally improved in th

OT: "If I were Pope."

2005-04-05 Thread Grimer
I thought this was a rather intelligent article which some Vorts might appreciate, i.e. those that believe that objective truth is not merely confined to science.;-) Why progressive Westerners never understood John Paul II By Mark Steyn (Filed: 05/04/2005) If I were Pope - and no, don't worr

Re: OFF TOPIC Demography and cigarettes

2005-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: Also interesting.  Before posting I checked the electronic version of the American Heritage Dictionary, copyright 1992, for "innumerate" and it did not have it. I have heard the term all my life, because my mother was a statistician. That is also why I spent hours immersed i

Re: Coaxial Capacitor Thrustor

2005-04-05 Thread Horace Heffner
At 6:04 AM 4/6/5, John Berry wrote: >Actually at this moment, I'm not quite sure why two hoop coils in >attraction at an angle to each other shouldn't create a unidirectional >force if the forces are at right angles, or indeed why two permanent >magnets in attraction also at an angle wouldn't crea

Re: OFF TOPIC Demography and cigarettes

2005-04-05 Thread Horace Heffner
At 1:43 PM 4/5/5, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: >Jed didn't coin it. > >Thus says the American Heritage Dictionary: > >innumerate >SYLLABICATION: in-nu-mer-ate >ADJECTIVE: Unfamiliar with mathematical concepts and methods. >NOUN: A person who is unfamiliar with mathematical concepts and methods. >OTH

Re: Why the U.S. Needs More Nuclear Power

2005-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Excellent. Again... everyone *should* be for using wind energy in every site where it is feasible. Every consumer and every utility should be in favor of that.  But even so, that will not be nearly enough, as a practical matter. There is not enough wind for electricity because

Re: Coaxial Capacitor Thrustor

2005-04-05 Thread John Berry
Replying to myself ;) John Berry wrote: I do have a concern with your diagram though, if you go from wire or coax to plates the current branch out to fill the plates. The problem is that the currents branching out should create a force in the opposite direction this becomes more clear if you sub

Re: OFF TOPIC Demography and cigarettes

2005-04-05 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Horace Heffner wrote: At 11:58 AM 4/5/5, Jed Rothwell wrote: [snip] Bush may be honestly confused, because he appears to be innumerate.) [snip] What an interesting and useful word you have coined there: Jed didn't coin it. Thus says the American Heritage Dictionary: innumerate SYLLABICA

Re: OFF TOPIC Demography and cigarettes

2005-04-05 Thread Horace Heffner
At 11:58 AM 4/5/5, Jed Rothwell wrote: [snip] >Bush may be honestly confused, because he appears to be >innumerate.) [snip] What an interesting and useful word you have coined there: innumerate, adj, 1. free of numbers, 2. numerically challenged, 3. unable to quantify or compute, 4.

Re: Why the U.S. Needs More Nuclear Power

2005-04-05 Thread Horace Heffner
At 11:13 AM 4/5/5, Jed Rothwell wrote: [snip] >You can use electricity from windmills or silicon to >refine the materials needed to make more windmills (or solar cells). Say, wasn't there an innovative solar cell manufacturer in Australia that was going to convert their factory to all solar power

RE: Why the U.S. Needs More Nuclear Power

2005-04-05 Thread Keith Nagel
Jones, Yes, it is the case that reactors should be designed with more concern for safety. I understand that. I also agree that the soviet reactor design was poor, just as you say. Yet the fact remains that it took human hands to turn off the existing fail safe equipment, and destructively test the

Re: Why the U.S. Needs More Nuclear Power

2005-04-05 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" > the energy payback time for a wind turbine is the lowest of any conventional energy source. It takes about 3 months for a wind tower to produce enough energy to manufacture another tower. Excellent. Again... everyone *should* be for using wind

Re: Why the US needs more nuclear power

2005-04-05 Thread Jones Beene
Richard, "How many years can a Nuke plant operate before it becomes unsafe? The best guess is about 50 years maximum." ++ That is true for the PWR design because of metal fatigue, as you say, but not necessaruly true of an improved next-gen reactor design where the structural material is graphite

Re: Why the U.S. Needs More Nuclear Power

2005-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: The mid-east oil fields are not at peak capacity, with no reserve, and they will soon begin a rapid decline . . I meant they are NOW at peak capacity. Incidentally, I read that the recent estimates of oil in the Gulf of Mexico have been drastically downgraded. Someone drilling a test we

Re: Why the U.S. Needs More Nuclear Power

2005-04-05 Thread Jones Beene
Keith, > Here the author implies that the Chernobyl accident was due to some major fault in the reactor design and implementation, carefully ignoring the fact that the real accident, as it occurred in the real world that you and I live in, was due to technicians shutting off all of the fail-safe

Re: OFF TOPIC Demography and cigarettes

2005-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: "The average from black people is low because many of them die as infants and teenagers. At birth, White: 77.1, Black 71.1. If black people survive until age 65, their remaining life is almost as long as white people's. White: 17.8 years, Black 16.1 years." Oops. That is about the same,

OFF TOPIC Demography and cigarettes

2005-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: If enough people begin smoking again the Social Security fund will not run short in 2040 or anytime this century, because people will die off more quickly. There is a great deal of confusion about demography and health, so let me add that cigarettes are ideal for  knocking off old people

Re: Why the US needs more nuclear power

2005-04-05 Thread RC Macaulay
The overriding question of the use of nuclear power is..   How many years can a Nuke plant operate before it becomes unsafe?   The best guess is about 50 years maximum.   Why? Because the heat fatigues the metal and not even a robot can be used inside a reactor to repair piping once the metal

Re: [OT] The Next Pope

2005-04-05 Thread leaking pen
and they were still jews after that. it wasnt until about 100 years later that christians were anything more than a subsect of judaism. personally, i still look at most of the christian religions as nothing more than a subsect of judaism. explains their use of the old testament. On Apr 5, 2005

Re: Coaxial Capacitor Thrustor

2005-04-05 Thread Horace Heffner
At 7:22 PM 4/5/5, John Berry wrote: >Great analysis. >It should work IMO even if the forces are as Ampere states unless there >is no displacement current, [snip] There is always a displacement current, even between vacuum plates. The displacement current is eactly equal to the current to the capa

RE: Why the U.S. Needs More Nuclear Power

2005-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Keith Nagel wrote: Jed writes: >Mark Mills is a consummate idiot. Be fair; he's not an idiot, just a shill for the nuclear industry. Is he? A few years ago he was shilling for the coal industry at the Greening Earth Society. That organization, paid for by the coal industry, is *in favor of* globa

Re: [OT] The Next Pope

2005-04-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Was not Peter and Paul both Jews first then Christ converts. Ges-

Re: Why the U.S. Needs More Nuclear Power

2005-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: The refining of the structural materials for windmills, or the silicon for solar cells, are both "dirty" processes which demand lots of coal (unless nuclear is substituted as the source of energy for refining. That's not true. You can use electricity from windmills or silicon t

RE: Why the U.S. Needs More Nuclear Power

2005-04-05 Thread Keith Nagel
Jed writes: >Mark Mills is a consummate idiot. Be fair; he's not an idiot, just a shill for the nuclear industry. He says what they want to hear, and no doubt if you looked into the funding of his think-tank you'll find GE and all the usual suspects. I could find no list of donors on the institute

Re: Why the U.S. Needs More Nuclear Power

2005-04-05 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" > I have not looked at this article closely, but I see the authors avoided the issue of uranium mining and dismissed the disposal problem. Uranium is so spread out in the environment that mining it is almost as destructive as mining coal. It is

Re: [OT] The Next Pope

2005-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
WAY off topic. A comment in today's Atlanta Journal: "Why do the Cardinals get to pick the new pope? They lost the World Series!" - Jed

Re: Why the U.S. Needs More Nuclear Power

2005-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Very authoritative article in: http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_1_nuclear_power.html   "Why the U.S. Needs More Nuclear Power" Peter W. Huber, Mark P. Mills Mark Mills is a consummate idiot. I doubt that anything he says is authoritative, although even a stopped (analog) cl

Flywheels

2005-04-05 Thread RC Macaulay
On the " extreme " hybrid thread I posted a comment describing a spherical shaped flywheel. To take the thought to another level, the flywheel could be in a 3 piece segmental air bearing configuration for counterbalancing and to produce infinite variable speed and torgue proportioning. The sp

Re: Vortex mystery

2005-04-05 Thread RC Macaulay
The interesting series of posts regarding this subject is fascinating. Anyone sitting in the middle of a tornado or hurricane can testify that the forces generated are awesome and certainly didn't come from the effect of gravity of falling water. A water vortex performs an interesting " rever

Re: [OT] The Next Pope

2005-04-05 Thread thomas malloy
Title: Re: [OT] The Next Pope Terry Blanton posted; http://www.hackwriters.com/Lustiger.htm This Buddhist Priest says a former Jew, and Archbishop of Paris, will occupy the Throne of Peter. Thanks for posting that, it was an interesting read I'll see your Jewish pope, and raise you a Nazi an

Re: Coaxial Capacitor Thrustor

2005-04-05 Thread John Berry
Great analysis. It should work IMO even if the forces are as Ampere states unless there is no displacement current, in which case the closed end would be balanced within it's self, and the open end would have no force. Your analysis makes it tempting to try and build it, except that in air ther