Re: Olympic runners versus bicycle riders

2005-07-08 Thread Merlyn
Having spent a number of years as a councilor at a BSA summer-camp in Kansas, I'm sorry to say that your common-sense approach will not work. Thirst has very little to do with the actual level of body fluids in your system. At camp drinking water is the prescribed treatment for all ailments

RE: Hydrogen ICE Hybrids

2005-07-08 Thread Terry Blanton
From: John.Rudiger Here in Perth, Western Australia they are powering 3 Public Busses using Hydrogen Fuel Cells as a trial with more to come in the near future. http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/fuelcells/ Thanks, John. Any idea what those buses cost? Here in Georgia, upon examining the cost of

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-08 Thread Jones Beene
Hey, Robin and George... wait a minute Naudin apparently incorporated the low duty cycle in his calculations (in a non-standard way) by figuring the average value by multiplying the peak voltage (from a 12 volt power DC battery power supply) by the duty cycle to give an average voltage

Re: Possible Isolation of Reactive Hydrogen for the MAHG Etc?

2005-07-08 Thread Frederick Sparber
The Auto ionization reaction in water: 2 H2O ---( H3O +) + OH - requires a free energy of 335,000 joules per mole or about 3.4 eV per H3O + formed. This and similar phenomena strongly suggests that Zero Point Energy (ZPE) pumping is providing the energy. The ~ 0.1 picosecond lifetime of

Re: Possible Isolation of Reactive Hydrogen for the MAHG Etc?

2005-07-08 Thread Jones Beene
Fred, The Auto ionization reaction in water: 2 H2O --- ( H3O +)+ OH - requires a free energy of 335,000 joules per mole or about 3.4 eV per H3O + formed. Hmmm3.4 eV the signature of ZPE, it would seem. kinda like the smile of the Cosmic-Cheshire-Cat... eh, Lewis?

Progress in synthetic meat production

2005-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.new-harvest.org/default.php http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3208 This technology is coming along faster than I thought it would. This could be very good news. See my book, chapter 16. - Jed

Re: Possible Isolation of Reactive Hydrogen for the MAHG Etc?

2005-07-08 Thread Frederick Sparber
Jones. I wrote: The Auto ionization reaction in water: 2 H2O ---( H3O +) + OH - requires a free energy of 335,000 joules per mole or about 3.4 eV per H3O + formed. This and similar phenomena strongly suggests that Zero Point Energy (ZPE) pumping is providing the energy. The ~ 0.1

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-08 Thread George Holz
Hi Jones, You wrote: Hey, Robin and George... wait a minute Naudin apparently incorporated the low duty cycle in his calculations (in a non-standard way) by figuring the average value by multiplying the peak voltage (from a 12 volt power DC battery power supply) by the duty cycle to

Re: Progress in synthetic meat production

2005-07-08 Thread Terry Blanton
Soylent green is . . . :-)

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-08 Thread Jones Beene
George, Actually 166 A (peak)* 12 V(peak) * .05 (duty factor) gives about 100 watts input at an average current of about 8 A and an average voltage of .6 V. OK, now I see what you are saying but how does an auto battery provide 166 amps, even if it is peak? Is this what you really think

Re: Progress in synthetic meat production

2005-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a good semi-technical introduction to the field: http://www.new-harvest.org/img/files/Invitro.pdf Many practical problems must be overcome, but it sounds like they are making progress. For example: Benjaminson and others succeeded in using a serum-free medium made from maitake

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-08 Thread jonfli
Jones, George, Actually 166 A (peak)* 12 V(peak) * .05 (duty factor) gives about 100 watts input at an average current of about 8 A and an average voltage of .6 V. OK, now I see what you are saying but how does an auto battery provide 166 amps, even if it is peak? Is this what you

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jones Beene wrote: George, Actually 166 A (peak)* 12 V(peak) * .05 (duty factor) gives about 100 watts input at an average current of about 8 A and an average voltage of .6 V. OK, now I see what you are saying but how does an auto battery provide 166 amps, even if it is peak? The

Re: Progress in synthetic meat production

2005-07-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Terry Blanton wrote: Soylent green is . . . :-) Hey, what's your objection here? Recycling is a _good_ thing, right? ;-)

MAHG update

2005-07-08 Thread Jones Beene
The site has been updated with radiation measurements: http://jlnlabs.imars.com/mahg/tests/mahg2e.htm Exec summary: NADA so it is doubtful that anything nuclear is going on in the sense of LENR. However, I hope that we can get some kind of quick confirmation that his P-in is accurate...

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-08 Thread Jones Beene
Hi George, One more thing... OK, now I see what you are saying but how does an auto battery provide 166 amps, even if it is peak? Is this what you really think is really happening ? IF he is getting a reading at the battery itself - of about 1/3+ amp average current - then you would

Re: Progress in synthetic meat production

2005-07-08 Thread orionworks
From: Stephen A. Lawrence Terry Blanton wrote: Soylent green is . . . :-) Hey, what's your objection here? Recycling is a _good_ thing, right? ;-) Maybe it's time to go home. E. G. Robinson really did have a great send off. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-08 Thread George Holz
Hi Jones, OK, now I see what you are saying but how does an auto battery provide 166 amps, even if it is peak? Is this what you really think is really happening ? It certainly looks possible. Batteries are capable of surprisingly high peak currents and the pulse width here is only 1 ms.

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-08 Thread Terry Blanton
From: Jones Beene This is something that should be pretty easy to ascertain right away... I was under the impression that the values on his chart were rms (root mean square) since that's what the Fluke measures.

Re: Progress in synthetic meat production

2005-07-08 Thread Terry Blanton
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Stephen A. Lawrence Terry Blanton wrote: Soylent green is . . . :-) Hey, what's your objection here? Recycling is a _good_ thing, right? ;-) Maybe it's time to go home. E. G. Robinson really did have a great send off.

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-08 Thread Jones Beene
Hi George, Not wanting to waste anymore bandwidth on this device than is necessary, if it isnot OU,I sent the following message to intereseted parties, which I hope gets to JNL or to Nicholas Moller very soon - as they are difficult to contact directly. COPY of posting: A serious question

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-08 Thread Terry Blanton
From: Terry Blanton From: Jones Beene This is something that should be pretty easy to ascertain right away... I was under the impression that the values on his chart were rms (root mean square) since that's what the Fluke measures. http://jlnlabs.imars.com/mahg/tests/index.htm

Re: MAHG update

2005-07-08 Thread Edmund Storms
This test does not prove that LENR is not occurring. LENR does not produce detectable radiation outside of the cell. The only radiation of any significance has only been detected within the cell. In addition, such a counter would not detect radiation from tritium nor neutron emission.

MAHG Construction Question

2005-07-08 Thread Terry Blanton
See the mechanical drawings: http://jlnlabs.imars.com/mahg/diagram.htm which show the assembly. Note that this is what we EEs call a two port (terminal) device. The tungsten grid is connected to one port and the center rod appears to be connected to the other. But is the upper grid support

Re: MAHG update

2005-07-08 Thread Jones Beene
Ed, Your are correct and I was too hasty in saying that LENR had been eliminated as a factor. I'm having a low batting average today it seems. This test does not prove that LENR is not occurring. LENR does not produce detectable radiation outside of the cell. The only radiation of any

Re: MAHG update

2005-07-08 Thread jonfli
FWIW, another reality check for the input power consumed by the MAHG is to first calculate the energy in Joules per pulse and multiply by the rep rate. IE, the input energy is 166 * 12 * (1/50) * .05 = 1.992J per pulse. Therefore, the input power = 1.992 * 50 = 99.6 watts. With the equipment JLN

Re: MAHG update

2005-07-08 Thread Jones Beene
Jon, FWIW, another reality check for the input power consumed by the MAHG is to first calculate the energy in Joules per pulse and multiply by the rep rate. IE, the input energy is 166 * 12 * (1/50) * .05 = 1.992J per pulse. Therefore, the input power = 1.992 * 50 = 99.6 watts. With the

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-08 Thread Mike Carrell
Jones is making good points, but snip You (Robin, at least) is willing to accept Mills equally surprising claims - whereas Mills gives almost zero detail, and often bases his P-out claims on guess-timates of what the power would be IF the photon radiation were converted, and yet in

FW: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday July 8, 2005

2005-07-08 Thread Akira Kawasaki
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 7/8/2005 1:28:11 PM Subject: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday July 8, 2005 WHATÂ’S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 8 Jul 05Washington, DC 1. POLITICAL SCIENCE: IS THE CONGRESSMAN DOING CLIMATE STUDIES? Who among us has not engaged in disputes over

The BEAP hypothesis.

2005-07-08 Thread Grimer
I've been trying to organise my ideas on the inverse of temperature (which I have called Compreture) seen as a differential pressure and tying it in with volume so that the classic PV/T is a constant can be viewed as a hierarchical string of pressures - or more fundamentally hierarchical