Frank Grimer posted
I must admit - I'm more than a bit suspicious of consultants like
Frost and Sullivan, too. Pilkington Brothers got no less than four
sets of consultants to approve their launch of Glass-Reinforced
Cement. I said PB were mad and that GRC would fail when the strain
capacity
The Autoionization of Water and the Joe Cell self-electrolysis
becomes less of a miracle, doesn't it?
http://www.diracdelta.co.uk/science/source/e/l/electromotive%20series/source.html
More good advice. Galvanizing. :-)
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/corrosion/galvanic.htm
- Original Message -
From: Frederick Sparber
To: vortex-l
Sent: 5/15/2006 1:45:51 AM
Subject: Re: The Electromotive Series The Metal-Water Interface
The Autoionization of Water and the
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Steve Ryan's water fuel. What is it about being downunder?
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Steve Ryan's water fuel. What is it about being downunder?
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Going back to mine original contention that the Free Energy of
Autoionization in water or the Ion Product and The Helmholtz
Metral-Water Interface Phenomena (Zeta Potential) will allow
Free Energy Dissociation of the water into O,OH , O2 and H, H2
gases in a cell with stable/passive
The thing to analyze is the efficiency. 20% for the Euro device is a bit
painful.
As I look into the archives, I see Chris Zell originally posted on this Al
bettery some time ago.
US patent 6,482,548 describes a similar technology with almost as great an
energy density:
From ZPEnergy.com
100 miles on 4 ounces of water?
Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 @ 23:09:41 PDT by rob
Science Anonymous writes: From KeelyNet news; 05/13/06 - 1994 Ford Escort
gets 100 miles from 4 oz water
Denny Klein just patented his process of converting H2O to HHO, producing a
gas that
Cynic... hee hee hee.
-j
-Original Message-From: RC Macaulay
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:12
AMTo: vortex-l@eskimo.comSubject: John
Herman
Howdy John,
Pour yourself a cup of coffee, have a seat and welcome to the conversation.
GRC is glass reinforced
Home Power magazine ( June 06) did a nice analysis of a Ford hybrid vs
non hybrid. The guy intends to keep it for ten years @ 20K miles a
year. He projects
coming out well ahead - and throws in a battery change in year 6.
I'd still like to hear more evidence about superior gas mileage on
Mark, et al.
This looks like Magnegas, the sequel...
The Klein patent application is online:
http://tinyurl.com/z6f6p
or
Howdy Vorts,
One of the realities of marketing is that you can build almost anything you
can sell but you cannot always sell what you can build.
Story of the " world's best dog food manufacturer". They held a convention
for their entire worldwide organization. The leader addressed the
-Original Message-
From: Mark Goldes
From ZPEnergy.com
100 miles on 4 ounces of water?
Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 @ 23:09:41 PDT by rob
Science Anonymous writes: From KeelyNet news; 05/13/06 - 1994 Ford
Escort gets 100 miles from 4 oz water
Denny Klein just patented his
The Electrolyzer Design described looks almost identical to a Joe Cell. :-)
[Original Message]
From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: 5/15/2006 9:45:34 AM
Subject: Re: Running on water?
Mark, et al.
This looks like Magnegas, the sequel...
The Klein patent
At 04:24 pm 17/05/2006 -0400, Pteranodon wrote:
Countries that lose their place in the world never regain
it..Egypt.Phoenicia.GreeceRomeSpainEngland...
# There'll always be an England,
While there's a country lane.
Wherever there's a cottage small
That folks , is the real problem hindering the advance of CF.. sell
some and somebody will build some.
Well... Not quite. You have to Make something the dogs
will eat - at least a little... and sell them. Then somebody
will build some more. And more dogs will eat. Then
somebody will build some
At 02:32 am 15/05/2006 -0500, Thomas wrote:
Frank Grimer posted
I must admit - I'm more than a bit suspicious of consultants like
Frost and Sullivan, too. Pilkington Brothers got no less than four
sets of consultants to approve their launch of Glass-Reinforced
Cement. I said PB were mad
Yum!!
Richard
- Original Message -
From:
Philip Winestone
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Marketing realities
That folks , is the real problem hindering the advance
of CF.. sell some and somebody will build some.Well... Not
Philip sez:
That folks , is the real problem hindering the advance of
CF.. sell some and somebody will build some.
Well... Not quite. You have to Make something the dogs
will eat - at least a little... and sell them. Then
somebody will build some more. And more dogs will eat.
...
I
Howdy Pteranondon,
Shucks, telling the difference between a line transformer and a line
capacitor is easy. Just disconnect them and touch your tongue to the one you
suspect is a capacitor. You will become enlightened.
England, Merry ole England! They get the blame for upgrading the Greek
With the exception of the Shakespearian dramas, all the rest - and much
more (including the art of exaggeration) - were invented by the Scots.
P.
At 03:24 PM 5/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
Howdy Pteranondon,
Shucks, telling the difference between a line transformer and a line
capacitor is
Most of this post went out yesterday, a day of moral reckoning,
so-to-speak, but must have gotten lost in Sunday-cyber-space.
Apologies if it turns up at a latter date...
...perhaps it was a carnivore-canapé
I probably would not even have realized it didn't get posted to Vo
(yes it's
John Coviello posted;
I'll have to read up on this company and technology. The claims of
capacity are so great, that a natural amount of skepticism is very
warranted. If they can produce such an aluminum battery, I would assume
that it would not be very expensive, since aluminum is rather
RC Macaulay wrote:
First language spoken on the moon was English. If the world is
gonna play catchup, they better learn English.
I presume you mean play ketchup (or catsup) -- a reference to
English (or British) cooking, no doubt. This would resemble the
late Steve Allen's classic skit in
At 02:24 pm 15/05/2006 -0700,
Jones Chamberlain Beene wrote (inter alia):
I probably would not even have realized it didn't get posted to Vo
(yes it's that earth-shaking) except for reading Richard's comment
about morality just now. Actually that comment was more like a
I had an idea for a hybrid car today. How
about putting one of those comact wind turbines on the roof of a car, not the
big ones with blades, the one with a rotating wind turbine that looks like a
cone. Then as the car moves along it can generate electricity from the
wind to charge the
On Monday 15 May 2006 18:36, John Coviello wrote:
I had an idea for a hybrid car today. How about putting one of those
comact wind turbines on the roof of a car, not the big ones with blades,
the one with a rotating wind turbine that looks like a cone. Then as the
car moves along it can
Jones wrote...
Spin Doctors, PACs and Ambulance-chasers alike, are keeping a
close watch on unfolding events in Houston this week, as the final
results of that lying-contest may be the key to many things
relating to morality in the USA ..
Howdy Jones..
Welcome to Houston where politics
In reply to Zell, Chris's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 08:37:30
-0500:
Hi,
[snip]
The thing to analyze is the efficiency. 20% for the Euro device is a bit
painful.
20% is also about the efficiency of an ICE, which is also a bit
painful, but we use them anyway.
Regards,
Robin van
In reply to Wesley Bruce's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 18:25:06
+1000:
Hi,
[snip]
Its defiantly not joecell the fuel in a joecell is a cold plasma not
liquids. the extra energy in a joecell is because the plasma is H+ and
O+, no outer electrons so it wont burn until the plasma can steal
In reply to Mark Goldes's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 07:17:45
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
unlike such a tip when oxy-acetylene is burned for welding. But the instant
he sets the flame on a charcoal briquette, it glows bright orange. Then,
within seconds, he burns a hole through a brick, cuts steel and
In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 15:24:17
-0500:
Hi,
[snip]
How did so few accomplish so much ? Answer.. a moral code of ethics.
[snip]
No, by conquest.
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/
Competition provides the motivation,
Cooperation
In reply to thomas malloy's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 16:48:34
-0500:
Hi,
[snip]
A 60 times greater energy out than in sounds like F E to me, it also
sounds too good to be true. Perhaps what is meant is that the photons
produced have 60 times the energy of the photons that produced them,
In reply to thomas malloy's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 16:47:43
-0500:
Hi,
[snip]
way more energy per kilogram-. Another consideration is how many cycles
the battery can go through before it needs to be re manufactured. IMHO,
it is this factor which economically kills a hybrid. I don't recall
In reply to Frederick Sparber's message of Mon, 15 May 2006
01:45:08 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
The Autoionization of Water and the Joe Cell self-electrolysis
becomes less of a miracle, doesn't it?
http://www.diracdelta.co.uk/science/source/e/l/electromotive%20series/source.html
This still doesn't
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