- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Lifter aerodynamics
Yes I mean drag, but there may be other aerodynamic forces to consider.
Also I don't think the profile is
Thanks robin Your correct. Good black coal can be 80% carbon 20%
hydrogen. In clean burning coal the CO2 reaction is a big part of the
energy but if CO2 is chilled and sequested you loose most of that energy
and all that counts is the energy output of the hydrogen. That's why the
coal
Back in the 1980 Jacques-Yves Cousteau championed a ocean based biofuel
technology that has since been lost.
The technology involved buoy based nutrient up welling pumps powered by
methane. The Methane was produced from kelp plants grown on a mesh net
attached below the water line. The deep
Jed wrote:
That brings up another important point. This administration
is incompetent ... So why does anyone imagine that this
administration is capable of orchestrating and carrying out
the largest deception in history, and magically persuading
thousands of top experts all over the world to go
Taylor J. Smith wrote:
Now, a world oil glut appears to be developing.
Not according to the Atlanta Constitution today:
http://www.ajc.com/search/content/business/stories/2007/02/20/0220bizoil.html
Saudis' cutbacks raise oil concerns
Some question country's reserves
Drivers who remember
Here is the antidote to the nonsense published
here and elsewhere by conspiracy theorists:
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
Example:
As documented in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR
1, these collapse times show that:
the structure below the level of collapse
initiation
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
. . . Nevertheless, a vocal group can not accept these explanations
as plausible. For them, it would seem that there MUST be additional
more sinister explanations, that missiles and/or strategically
positioned chemical explosives had to have been used as well.
Yes, Vo's and fellow Patriots everywhere - it is time to come-down hard
on those conspiracy theory nut-cases who want to ruin this country with
false accusations of cover-ups.
Like you-know-who (not Santa) it is high-time for enforcement officials
to make a list and check it twice for these
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
I suspect the WTC towers were designed with a structural weakness
to make any future demolition easy.
ABSOLUTELY NOT! That would be insane. The WTC Towers were one of the
strongest structures made up to the 1970s. They withstood the effects
of the
Taylor J. Smith wrote:
Jed wrote:
That brings up another important point. This administration
is incompetent ... So why does anyone imagine that this
administration is capable of orchestrating and carrying out
the largest deception in history, and magically persuading
thousands of top
No thermite, right?
Come on Patriot-Actors and assorted skeptics... I can hear you muttering
it already, even over cybespace: Maybe the image has been photoshopped
riiight
http://69.55.11.240/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=138415Disp=385
You left something out of this armchair analysis of the psyche of those
who want to believe it was an inside job: Bigotry.
If it was an inside job then it was Americans who destroyed our own
buildings. That's obviously possible -- evil wicked mean and nasty, but
possible. What Americans
I've also heard Iran has to import gasoline
because their oil refining capacity is limited.
Harry
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Jed Rothwell wrote:
The Iranians are destroying their own oil fields
without help from us. Their fields are in such poor shape from
mismanagement and bad
Jones Beene wrote:
No thermite, right?
Come on Patriot-Actors and assorted skeptics... I can hear you muttering
it already, even over cybespace: Maybe the image has been photoshopped
riiight
http://69.55.11.240/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=138415Disp=385
This is just my
not a skeptic, but, with the flow inside and out of the girder almost
even, that one looks more like it sheared off at an angle, and then
molten metal dripped over it.
and, as someone that uses the stuff, that is NOT what thermite
leftovers looks like.
On 2/20/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Here is the antidote to the nonsense published here and elsewhere by
conspiracy theorists:
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
Example:
As documented in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, these collapse times
show that:
“… the structure below the level
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
So the combined mass continues on its way almost immediately, but
now it's only moving at 16 feet/second, because it has the same
momentum but double the mass.
Do you mean the mass doubles because there are now two floors
falling? Not quite. For one thing, the two
Say what??? Who's buying whom here?
And how is Shadow going to raise 2M$ in working capital, I wonder?
This sounds reminiscent of something we heard last year about D2Fusion,
doesn't it? Some deal was going to go through, also contingent on someone
raising a quantity of working capital
Jones Beene wrote:
Like you-know-who (not Santa) it is high-time
for enforcement officials to make a list and
check it twice for these flagrant Patriot-Act scofflaws. To wit:
Senator Max Cleland ~ Former member of the 9/11 Commission . . .
A good man, but not a structural engineer.
Col.
In reply to Taylor J. Smith's message of Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:26:25 +:
Hi,
[snip]
Oil futures peaked at an intraday high of $78.40 on July
14, 2006, but averaged $66.25 for 2006, compared with
$56.70 in 2005 and $41.47 per barrel in 2004.
Now, a world oil glut appears to be developing. So
leaking pen wrote:
not a skeptic, but, with the flow inside and out of the girder almost
even, that one looks more like it sheared off at an angle, and then
molten metal dripped over it.
Exactly. Anyone who says the NIST report somehow eliminated thermite as
contributory agent is seriously in
I have been sitting back in total OH!! over this thread.
I have even had Night Mares ('Scientists Gone Wild')
SO if I understand what has been going on, (Maybe) It's felt the Bush Admin
is implementing a what? (State), Communist?
Okay if you all feel this (the ones that are so adamant about it,
Jones Beene wrote:
Exactly. Anyone who says the NIST report somehow eliminated thermite
as contributory agent is seriously in error. They never considered
it at all. From the NIST site:
Did the NIST investigation look for evidence of the WTC towers being
brought down by controlled
On 2/20/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No thermite, right?
Come on Patriot-Actors and assorted skeptics... I can hear you muttering
it already, even over cybespace: Maybe the image has been photoshopped
riiight
http://69.55.11.240/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=138415Disp=385
You
Yes, thermite, at least the more comonly used stuff, is iron II oxide
and aluminum powder. it reduces the aluminum to aluminum oxide, and
creates molten iron. So you get molten iron, which cools black and
lumpy, and you get a blackish purplish slag laying on top of it, which
is the aluminum
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Senator Max Cleland ~ Former member of the 9/11 Commission . . .
A good man, but not a structural engineer.
Yes, a good man with enough guts to stand up for injustice where he sees
it - and with whom hundreds of structural engineers agree - specifically
about the
Stiffler Scientific wrote:
I can not say it more clearly, this is CRAP
Agreed. And who needs a flame war on top of crap.
This is my last posting on this subject.
Jones
On 2/20/07, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could this provide a possible explanation for why Iran may actually be
interested in a civilian nuclear power generation capability?
A 50 MW heavy water reactor??
Surely you jest.
Terry
of course, the traces of thermite are , again, iron, aluminum, and the
oxides of each. ohh, and high heat.
i think its safe to say the site was FULL of said materials.
(besides, the sheared angle of the broken girder looks more like a
shaped charge explosive cutting through. which would have
I wrote:
PROBLEM: How do you know what airplane is going to hit?
I meant what floor the airplane is going to hit. Sorry about that.
Did he conclude the building was brought down by explosives? Then
he is a flake with a PhD, like Steve Jones.
Why do we need that kind of comment in a
Terry Blanton wrote:
Could this provide a possible explanation for why Iran may actually be
interested in a civilian nuclear power generation capability?
A 50 MW heavy water reactor??
Ah. Is that what they want to build? Google describes it:
New satellite imagery obtained by ISIS from
On 2/20/07, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well you have to begin somewhere. For example, Canada's first
reactor for power production was the 20 MW Nuclear Power Demonstration (NPD)
Reactor. It operated from 1962 to 1987.
For more historical and technical details see:
Harry Veeder wrote:
I thought they wanted a conventional power reactor, which, as I said,
makes sense even though they have lots of natural gas. A 50 MW unit
has nothing to do with energy generation, as Terry points out.
Well you have to begin somewhere. For example, Canada's first
reactor
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: No Thermite ?
I meant what floor the airplane is going to hit. Sorry about that.
Err, I haven't followed the debate closely (many points
Actually it has been pointed out that there was a light (laser?) beam
visible on the building which was probably used for painting the taget, the
most likely would be a range of floors and they simply triggered the one
hit.
Go here:
http://www.letsrollforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2195
On
Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Lifters
hmmm
A sheet of paper inserted in the gap of a spark plug will
prevent my dad's lawn mower from working. Does that prove
beyond a shadow
John Berry writes:
Actually it has been pointed out that there was a light (laser?) beam
visible on the building which was probably used for painting the taget . . .
These were amateur pilots. An experienced pilot would have great difficulty
doing that. Many of the Japanese kamikaze pilots
also, 5k pounds of thermite would be required to bring it down on its
own. thats not the conspiracy theory. the theory is that the
thermite was used to melt the concrete and weaken teh steal, allowing
the rest of the natural damage from the plane to do it. that requires
substantially less
Terry Blanton wrote:
On 2/20/07, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well you have to begin somewhere. For example, Canada's first
reactor for power production was the 20 MW Nuclear Power Demonstration (NPD)
Reactor. It operated from 1962 to 1987.
For more historical and technical
Again until I looked into it closer I had no issue with the idea that this
could be pulled off by any bunch of people with box cutters.
But if you really look at the evidence
On 2/21/07, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You left something out of this armchair analysis of the
Terry Blanton wrote:
On 2/20/07, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could this provide a possible explanation for why Iran may actually be
interested in a civilian nuclear power generation capability?
A 50 MW heavy water reactor??
Surely you jest.
No jest, it was a serious
Indeed, i recall experts being brought on teh air as the towers were
burning stating they were designed to take this and more. my
understanding the engineers who designed and built the suckers were
shocked when they fell.
On 2/20/07, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jed Rothwell
On 2/21/07, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
That is my point. The building was designed to withstand
a severe _horizontal_ blow, but it was not designed to withstand
a severe _downward_ blow. The inability of the structure
to withstand a vertical
Kyle R. Mcallister wrote:
Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Lifters
hmmm
A sheet of paper inserted in the gap of a spark plug will
prevent my dad's lawn mower from
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:11:55 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Terry Blanton wrote:
Could this provide a possible explanation for why Iran may actually be
interested in a civilian nuclear power generation capability?
A 50 MW heavy water reactor??
Ah. Is that what they want
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